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Dafuqisdis? said:
Explain the clone wars to me, why were the clone armies fighting the droid armies and who was in charge of each, without using some resource like Wookipedia.
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The Separatists are motivated by a desire to secede from a republic they feel is corrupt and is failing them, and they are bankrolled by several organisations and businesses that want to be independent of the republic and their hefty taxations. The Republic are using the clones as their defence force against the separatists.

Palpatine is in charge of the Republic, and as his alter ego Darth Sidious he is also in charge of the Separatists. He's pitting them against one another in order to grant himself more and more power in his role as senator, eventually leading to the emergency powers that he uses to form the Empire.

Should I slow down here? Are these basic concepts too complicated for you? Or is it just an inability to pay attention to what's going on in a scene if there's no constant action?
 
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Admiral Mantoid said:
CatParty's done it again.

Nigga what? Everybody fucking knows that and its practically hammered into your head throughout the movies that its the Republic vs the Trade Federation who are essentially happy space merchants fucking each other over while Palpatine is at the top as the shekel master supreme. Dafuq are you on about?

The prequels have flawed acting and poor pacing (especially AotC) sure, but what does that question have to do with anything or even affect the quality of the films?

At least bother to read or search through this thread. Most everybody here hates Wookieepedo as most of their info is a poorly managed clusterfuck that's barely been updated over the last decade (unless its related to Rey, Kylo Ren, Ahsoka, Baby Yoda or Dr. Aphra) with barely any references anywhere (much like most wikis). Its gotten so bad that the idiots over there have started a crappy recruitment campaign after editor counts dropped drastically for them in the last few months.

Even then, stuff like Outbound Flight and Battlefront II managed to salvage that apparent inconsistency by reintroducing the Clone Masters, but what you gonna do. I still would've preferred the Clone Wars we were promised over what we got but hey, at least Genndy Wars salvaged it... until Filoni went and made the entire war the size of a small civil dispute that was barely a blip on most planets.
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I looked it up and your wrong. The war was between the Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems, something I'm not sure is even mentioned in the movies.

So it kinda proves my point, you're a prequel fan and you don't even know what the plot was.

Also why is the Republic (the supposed good guys) using an army of slaves to fight their war?

Ensign said:
The Separatists are motivated by a desire to secede from a republic they feel is corrupt and is failing them, and they are bankrolled by several organisations and businesses that want to be independent of the republic and their hefty taxations. The Republic are using the clones as their defence force against the separatists.

Palpatine is in charge of the Republic, and as his alter ego Darth Sidious he is also in charge of the Separatists. He's pitting them against one another in order to grant himself more and more power in his role as senator, eventually leading to the emergency powers that he uses to form the Empire.

Should I slow down here? Are these basic concepts too complicated for you? Or is it just an inability to pay attention to what's going on in a scene if there's no constant action?
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What dialogue in the movie explains any of this?

There's another prequel fan in the thread and he didn't know any of what you just said. Kinda like the movies are a jumbled mess of bullshit with unclear motivations all around.
 
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Dafuqisdis? said:
The prequels had great story...really.

Explain the clone wars to me, why were the clone armies fighting the droid armies and who was in charge of each, without using some resource like Wookipedia.



Red letter media barely scratched the surface of why those films are awful.

I could post any random moment in one of the prequel films and it's almost guaranteed to be embarassing.

I rewatched Palpatine's fight with Mace Windu recently and the acting actually made me physically cringe it was so awful. And that's one of the highlights of the trilogy.
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Fine, I'll bite.

The Clone Wars was a gambit by Palpatine to gain control of the Republic and turn it into the Empire. The start of the Naboo blockade in the Phantom Menace was a result of long standing legislation regarding the Trade Federation, the main shipping cartel at the time of the Prequels, being overturned. This began to eat into their profits, especially after Palpatine convinced the Naboo government to stop their shipments of plasma to the TF (the big generator room the Maul fight is in), which the TF financed the extraction of. In protest they invade Naboo and Palpatine uses this propel himself to Chancellor of the Republic with a mandate against the TF. This sends a message to all the major megacorps, like the Techno Union, Commerce Guild, Banking Clan, etc., that the new admin is going to be cracking down on megacorps so they begin preparing for a separation from the Republic. This is further exacerbated when Count Dooku leaves the Jedi order disillusioned after, Qui-Gonn, his former apprentice, is killed and the Jedi fail to follow up properly. Dooku reclaimed his birthright title on his homeplanet and on Palpatine's behalf began gathering the megacorps and the planets displeased by the Republic in a loose alliance, the CIS.

Shortly before the Phantom Menace, Master Sifo-Dyas is haunted by visions of the Republic under attack and eventually collapsing. He confides this to Magister Damask, an influential member of the Banking Clan, who is also concerned with the collapse of the Republic and agrees to give him the down payment to finance an army of clones on Kamino. Unfortunately for Sifo Dyas, Magister Damask was Darth Plagieus, who had been manipulating the fall of the Republic with his apprentice Palpatine. Syfo-Dyas is quietly killed in an incident that makes it look like the CIS is responsible and Plagieus is killed by Palpatine.

Eventually, the CIS declares secession from the Republic around the time of AOTC. This along with Obi-Wan's "discovery" of the clone army leads to Senate voting to give the Chancellor emergency powers until the Separatist crisis is over. Much of the war is just a giant sham with Palpatine playing the Republic as the Chancellor, and the CIS as Count Dooku. Palpatine stages the Battle of Couruscant as way to deplete most of the CIS navy's strength and arranges Count Dooku to be killed (Dooku was fed some BS about defecting to the Republic and assuming a political role in the Republic). With the CIS mostly eliminated as a threat, Palpatine is able to have the Jedi killed off, framing Windu's attack as a coup and rearranges the Republic into the Empire. The CIS is then dismantled when Vader kills the remaining leadership and shuts down the vast majority of their army and their remaining navy. With the CIS gone and the Jedi killed off or hiding, Palpatine has essentially won. He is now the undisputed ruler of the galaxy and is able to use the tiny CIS remnants as an outside threat to cement people's loyalty to the Empire in the short-term to secure his power base.
TL:DR: Watch that Alex Jones video, it explains it in a much simpler and mostly correct way.

White Devil said:
I feel like we're back in the early 2000s now with people ree-ing over the Clone Wars not being what they expected from the ANH novel from the 70s, and earlier books and comics.
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There were a lot of people complaining about that on the /swg/ in /tg/ a few days ago. It's been part of a lot of common baits posted every few days:
>The Empire was objectively good
>The Last Jedi was good
>The EU was actually shit
>There were no good Star Wars comics
>The Prequels are complete shit
>The Rebel Alliance were communists
And so on. I guess it finally spread here.
 
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Stalphos Johnson said:
Fine, I'll bite.

The Clone Wars was a gambit by Palpatine to gain control of the Republic and turn it into the Empire. The start of the Naboo blockade in the Phantom Menace was a result of long standing legislation regarding the Trade Federation, the main shipping cartel at the time of the Prequels, being overturned. This began to eat into their profits, especially after Palpatine convinced the Naboo government to stop their shipments of plasma to the TF (the big generator room the Maul fight is in), which the TF financed the extraction of. In protest they invade Naboo and Palpatine uses this propel himself to Chancellor of the Republic with a mandate against the TF. This sends a message to all the major megacorps, like the Techno Union, Commerce Guild, Banking Clan, etc., that the new admin is going to be cracking down on megacorps so they begin preparing for a separation from the Republic. This is further exacerbated when Count Dooku leaves the Jedi order disillusioned after, Qui-Gonn, his former apprentice, is killed and the Jedi fail to follow up properly. Dooku reclaimed his birthright title on his homeplanet and on Palpatine's behalf began gathering the megacorps and the planets displeased by the Republic in a loose alliance, the CIS.

Shortly before the Phantom Menace, Master Sifo-Dyas is haunted by visions of the Republic under attack and eventually collapsing. He confides this to Magister Damask, an influential member of the Banking Clan, who is also concerned with the collapse of the Republic and agrees to give him the down payment to finance an army of clones on Kamino. Unfortunately for Sifo Dyas, Magister Damask was Darth Plagieus, who had been manipulating the fall of the Republic with his apprentice Palpatine. Syfo-Dyas is quietly killed in an incident that makes it look like the CIS is responsible and Plagieus is killed by Palpatine.

Eventually, the CIS declares secession from the Republic around the time of AOTC. This along with Obi-Wan's "discovery" of the clone army leads to Senate voting to give the Chancellor emergency powers until the Separatist crisis is over. Much of the war is just a giant sham with Palpatine playing the Republic as the Chancellor, and the CIS as Count Dooku. Palpatine stages the Battle of Couruscant as way to deplete most of the CIS navy's strength and arranges Count Dooku to be killed (Dooku was fed some BS about defecting to the Republic and assuming a political role in the Republic). With the CIS mostly eliminated as a threat, Palpatine is able to have the Jedi killed off, framing Windu's attack as a coup and rearranges the Republic into the Empire. The CIS is then dismantled when Vader kills the remaining leadership and shuts down the vast majority of their army and their remaining navy. With the CIS gone and the Jedi killed off or hiding, Palpatine has essentially won. He is now the undisputed ruler of the galaxy and is able to use the tiny CIS remnants as an outside threat to cement people's loyalty to the Empire in the short-term to secure his power base.
TL:biggrin:R: Watch that Alex Jones video, it explains it in a much simpler and mostly correct way.


There were a lot of people complaining about that on the /swg/ in /tg/ a few days ago. It's been part of a lot of common baits posted every few days:
>The Empire was objectively good
>The Last Jedi was good
>The EU was actually shit
>There were no good Star Wars comics
>The Prequels are complete shit
>The Rebel Alliance were communists
And so on. I guess it finally spread here.
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None of the stuff you just posted is in the prequels. It was all tacked on later by people that were working on entended universe material who had to make sense of the hash that Lucas had made of the movies.

We know that there are separatists in the movie but there's really no indication of WHY they're separating from the Republic and why they're willing to fight a galactic war over it.

In the movies Dooku comes out of nowhere and he is labeled in the opening crawl as "mysterious" how is he mysterious if he was a Jedi not too long ago?
 
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Dafuqisdis? said:
None of the stuff you just posted is in the prequels. It was all tacked on later by people that were working on entended universe material who had to make sense of the hash that Lucas had made of the movies.

We know that there are separatists in the movie but there's really no indication of WHY they're separating from the Republic and why they're willing to fight a galactic war over it.

In the movies Dooku comes out of nowhere and he is labeled in the opening crawl as "mysterious" how is he mysterious if he was a Jedi not too long ago?
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In the end, their motivations are individually pointless, as it was Palpatine who convinced them to go to war in their first place. He could easily tell any lie, make public statements as the chancellor to back it up, and convince the leadership to go to war. After all, he was elected in response to a megacorp, the Trade Federation, invading his home planet. Fear of a anti-megacorp chancellor with a strong mandate could easily force them to go to war.

Dooku being a former Jedi:
Mysterious is describing his motivations, not him coming out of nowhere.

Mississippi Motorboater said:
The existence of Star Wars Legacy alone renders this opinion as objectively incorrect.
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The Pellaeon had more soul than the entire ST.
 
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Dafuqisdis? said:
There's another prequel fan in the thread and he didn't know any of what you just said. Kinda like the movies are a jumbled mess of bullshit with unclear motivations all around.
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Nothing he said was wrong. He mentioned the Trade Federation because they're part of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. To my understanding, the Trade Federations are the ones who contracted the creation of the droid army from the Techno Union, and they're arguably the face of the CIS within the movies.

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Dafuqisdis? said:
I looked it up and your wrong.
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Why do you get to look things up and not the people you're asking to describe the plot off the top of their heads? You fucking dullard
 
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Ensign said:
Nothing he said was wrong. He mentioned the Trade Federation because they're part of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. To my understanding, the Trade Federations are the ones who contracted the creation of the droid army from the Techno Union, and they're arguably the face of the CIS within the movies.

Also:

Why do you get to look things up and not the people you're asking to describe the plot off the top of their heads? You fucking dullard
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He's moving the goalposts once he gets proven wrong.
 
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XYZpdq said:
yeah if anything I found out far more than I gave a fuck about the embargoes and shit relating the Trade Federation as Ep 1 stopped all action just so people could exposition at each other about crap
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I have a feeling that if the Prequels were a long running tv series like Babylon 5 or Game of Thrones, the political elements would have been dramatic rather than expository.

Imagine a story of a declining republic being manipulated by a politician who ends up leading both a corporate-backed secession movement and an increasingly tyrannical republic. A religious order becomes militarized, unleashing their mystical powers on the galaxy while one of the order falls to dark side in trying to preserve the people he loves the most.
 
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Dafuqisdis? said:
I looked it up and your wrong. The war was between the Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems, something I'm not sure is even mentioned in the movies.

So it kinda proves my point, you're a prequel fan and you don't even know what the plot was.

Also why is the Republic (the supposed good guys) using an army of slaves to fight their war?
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Obvious bait is obvious, but in case any lurkers are curious for answers:
The whole war started because of the Trade Federation which leads to them becoming the Separatists. The Federation is in the first movie. Its all the characters ever fucking talk about for half the film. You had to look the info up and yet you're bitching that no one here knows anything?

Stop projecting. I have my beefs with the prequels, but I can realize where the plot is going at least and see what few things they did right. I just find your arguing points to be full of crap.

Because they're corrupt as hell. That's the point. Both Republic and CIS are being controlled by the bad guy, hence the moral ambiguity on both sides. Did you even watch that shit?
There's another prequel fan in the thread and he didn't know any of what you just said. Kinda like the movies are a jumbled mess of bullshit with unclear motivations all around.
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How is anything @Ensign said different from what I said? "Greedy Reps vs Greedy CIS as they're being puppeteered by Palpatine." That's pretty much the entire plot of all three.

And the thread just got derailed. Great. Oh well, at least it was short and emoji-free.

Stalphos Johnson said:
There were a lot of people complaining about that on the /swg/ in /tg/ a few days ago. It's been part of a lot of common baits posted every few days:
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/swg/ has been a mess and barely active for years. And even before Disney really shat the bed, the whole general was plagued with Ahsoka waifuists and Reylo shippers, so the decline in quality was of no surprise.
>The Empire was objectively good
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That's been a common claim and /pol/ shitpost in the community for decades. I wouldn't take it too seriously compared to the others.
 
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Admiral Mantoid said:
Obvious bait is obvious, but in case any lurkers are curious for answers:
The whole war started because of the Trade Federation which leads to them becoming the Separatists. The Federation is in the first movie. Its all the characters ever fucking talk about for half the film. You had to look the info up and yet you're bitching that no one here knows anything?

Stop projecting. I have my beefs with the prequels, but I can realize where the plot is going at least and see what few things they did right. I just find your arguing points to be full of crap.

Because they're corrupt as hell. That's the point. Both Republic and CIS are being controlled by the bad guy, hence the moral ambiguity on both sides. Did you even watch that shit?

How is anything @Ensign said different from what I said? "Greedy Reps vs Greedy CIS as they're being puppeteered by Palpatine." That's pretty much the entire plot of all three.

And the thread just got derailed. Great. Oh well, at least it was short and emoji-free.


/swg/ has been a mess and barely active for years. And even before Disney really shat the bed, the whole general was plagued with Ahsoka waifuists and Reylo shippers, so the decline in quality was of no surprise.

That's been a common claim and /pol/ shitpost in the community for decades. I wouldn't take it too seriously compared to the others.
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Yeah, /swg/ is a shit show, but it can be occaisonally good. But it is kind of funny seeing the same bait posted, derailing the thread, then a few threads later getting derailed by the same bait. If it sticks to the RPGs and wargames, it's pretty good, but those threads are far and few between.
 
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White Devil said:
Like I said, just low effort, bad bait trying to rile people here up over something dumb.
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The spaghetti never really ends here, theres always gonna be other cyril sneer or lord imperator shitting up the thread with their tard cum

Stalphos Johnson said:
Yeah, /swg/ is a shit show, but it can be occaisonally good. But it is kind of funny seeing the same bait posted, derailing the thread, then a few threads later getting derailed by the same bait. If it sticks to the RPGs and wargames, it's pretty good, but those threads are far and few between.
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God I remember some faggot on /set/ trying to claim that the vong clone disneys shutting out is what the vong should have been, just made me miss 8chans /sw/
 
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