Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

In lesser news, Disney-Lucasfilm brought back Allya, the rogue jedi founder of the Witches of Dathomir, for nucanon... only to make her a lie that never existed in nucanon and was just made up by Nightsisters. As if Fallen Order making Dathomir nothing but Filoni Nightsisters with no Rancors or Kwa wasn't bad enough.
Not to distract attention from the perfidious mouse, but is Dave Wolverton like the single-most influential SW author ever on the basis of output, or what? Dude only wrote one proper novel, but the concepts that it introduced, like Dathomir, its witches and the Nightsisters (and to a lesser extent, Hapes and the Hapans) were getting continuously referenced in the EU and informing major plot-points across even the big "event" story serials like NJO and LOTF long before Wolfman Dave got his grubby mits on them... 🤔

It would have been almost 20 years since Anakin became Vader. Early Vader might have some struggle but at this point he has resigned himself to the Dark Side and is "more machine than man now". It is only until he realizes that his children are alive that he starts having some emotion.

He may be a corrupted slave, but one sapped of all will. He has been trapped inside a suit designed to still make him feel pain. Every time he sees the Imperial symbol, he remembers all of the suffering he has caused. Every second of his life he is struck by physical and mental anguish that he failed to save everyone that he swore to protect, that he is the direct cause for the collapse of the Republic and the Jedi Order.

To keep himself from just mentally shutting down, he turned himself into a servant of Palpatine. It probably wasn't until he said "I am your father." that Vader started to view himself as a living human being.
I think Vader really believed in the Empire, though, as ensuring peace, order and stability for the galactic citizenry (through force, if necessary) is pretty much the one thing that Anakin expresses enthusiasm for in the PT that hasn't been entirely ripped away from him by the end of ROTS. That's why he's such a single-minded enforcer for the Emperor: because holding the Empire together is all that he has left, until (as you note) he realizes that his children survived Padme's death.

It's a colossal shame, because there's a lot I like about TFU. The aesthetics of that game were incredible for its time, and seeing the way the art directors bridged the flashier look of the PT era with the aesthetics of the OT was fantastic, even in little things like Ram Khota's militia looking like the predecessors to the Rebel Alliance ground troops. Having old Clone War wreckages in places like Raxus Prime and Felucia were especially cool, as well as seeing EU iconography like Garm Bel Iblis and the Dark Troopers. Plus, tribal milf Shaak Ti was 10/10.

But a lot of that is aesthetics and fanservice that, while welcome, don't make up for the poor story (kind of like The Blandalorian, interestingly enough). It's funny, because I love Haden Blackman's work on the Dark Horse comics, but when it came to game writing, his work wasn't that great.
What I really liked about TFU was how the story essentially boils down to a tragic fairytale romance. The Dark Lord of the Realm gifts his vassal with a young maidservant (more or less), they fall in love, he dies trying to undo some of the harm that he has wrought in his master's name, the end. I could have done without Lucasarts flexing its roided-out new physics engine by having the player-character pull down Star Destroyers and other such non-G-Canon-compliant spectacle, however. 😛
 
You must have missed the interview with Red Fly Studios during their work on the Darth Maul game where they were instructed by LFL staff not to bring up Starkiller in front of George Lucas. Kind of odd treatment for a character he considers "canon."

Besides, what George Lucas considers or doesn't consider compatible with his version of canon doesn't automatically equate to superior storytelling. Anyone who's even a remote fan of General Grievous, or prefers Korriban over "Moraband", knows this.
That was probably due to TFU 2's failure, but at the time of release, Lucasarts in general acted as if TFU was part of Lucas' personal SW universe, especially since he had such a heavy hand on its story. They originally wanted to make a Wookiee game until he vetoed that and went with the Secret Apprentice Starkiller idea.


"The new game, known by many simply as The Force Unleashed, is the first Star Wars game to be considered by Lucas an actual chapter in the overall story line that begins with the three prequel films--The Phantom Menace; Attack of the Clones; and Revenge of the Sith--continues with this summer's animated film, The Clone Wars and then, of course, concludes with the original three films, Star Wars; The Empire Strikes Back; and Return of the Jedi."

So yeah, Lucas considered TFU to be so canon he was there when it came out and he supported the game at its release. It was G-canon at the time of its release, so overpowered Force techniques like grabbing/pulling down a Star Destroyer (which Darth Nihilus already did to the Ravager in KOTOR 2) wasn't something Lucas was against. After all, Lucas had a very positive reception to Dark Empire, and people hated Dark Empire, especially since it had OP Force powers, and yet Lucas loved that stuff, showing how OP Force Powers were approved by the ultimate authority over all of G-canon:

Tom Veitch: "We had great response. I still get letters from people telling me that Dark Empire was the best of the continuing stories, that it should be made into a movie, that it should be a novel, etc. George Lucas told me personally that he loved it. Some people had a problem with the bringing back of the emperor. But as I have explained elsewhere, we did that under George Lucas' direction. Originally we asked him if we could bring back Darth Vader, assuming that the empire would want to perpetuate the image of Vader in order to strike fear into the hearts of billions. So they would put somebody else inside the Vader costume, of course. But George nixed that and told us we could bring back the emperor."


That second point is something I would also get at. What Lucas sees as his version of SW doesn't always mesh with the fans or prove to be what they see as the superior version. I mean, heck, I still hate the fact that Vader in ROTJ was a slave who simps for Sidious despite the fact that his son was right there, ready to help him kill the Sith master so he can seize the throne. Vader's struggle in ROTJ should have been convincing Luke that helping him to take over the Empire is the better path, instead of serving as a punching bag for Luke and a disposable towelette for Sidious. Or the fact that Lucas made Vader kill kids in EP3, when having Anakin convert them to the Dark Side would have gotten the same message across about Anakin's corruption without going so memetically overboard.

I mean, shit, if the fans had their say, Timothy Zahn, Drew Karpyshyn, and Karen Traviss would be the ones owning and running Star Wars, not George Lucas. Especially since many fans despised the Prequels and the Clone Wars movie that had Lucas' hand or support with them, while loving much of the Expanded Universe stuff that Lucas barely had a hand in, especially since the Thrawn, KOTOR, and Mandalorian stuff raked in plenty of fanboys. I still remember the last years of the pre-Disney SW era where many EU fans HATED George Lucas and wanted him to retire so that their EU author of choice can run Star Wars while Lucas sulks in the corner, ignored and forgotten. People began attributing everything good in the OT to Lawrence Kasdan, Gary Kurtz, and Richard Marquand, while saying that everything wrong with the Prequels is Lucas' fault. While I don't share their hatred of Lucas, I do understand where their viewpoints came from when it came to not liking what Lucas put in.

Although for my two cents, TFU is a better explanation for the Rebellion's rise than the Ghorman Massacre. At least the plan would have worked had Vader disposed of Starkiller, whereas Tarkin landing on a planet and killing innocent protesters causing the Rebellion to rise is the kind of Stupid Evil that makes TFU Palpatine seem downright brilliant in comparison. At least in TFU, the Rebels saw Vader and the Emperor defeated by some random Jedi figure, so they at least got inspired by seeing someone beat the shit out of Vader and give the Emperor a proper struggle, showing that the two evil overlords do have their limits. But I can also understand why people hate it because Vader acts like a tool for a bit and it gets downright M. Night Shyamalan-esque as a whole.
 
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I've said it all long IRL, the only memorable character in the entire ST is the TR8-R guy and he got zero supplemental love whatsoever.
On the bright side, that also means that Disney didn't ruin him, so his legacy is safe. He can continue being the only decent sequel meme ad infinitum. Assuming they don't do something boneheaded in the future like actually try to make him a serious character. Never underestimate Disney's stupidity.
 
On the bright side, that also means that Disney didn't ruin him, so his legacy is safe. He can continue being the only decent sequel meme ad infinitum. Assuming they don't do something boneheaded in the future like actually try to make him a serious character. Never underestimate Disney's stupidity.
Don't give them any ideas. They'll probably make him a trans or gay character to shill to the SJWs.
 
I've said it all long IRL, the only memorable character in the entire ST is the TR8-R guy and he got zero supplemental love whatsoever.
Any smart company would have picked up on the characters impact and made tied him into the plot somehow. All they would have needed to do is add in a scene into the next movie where you see Imperial combat medics picking up wounded Stormtroopers near Orange Yoda's strip club and sandwich bar and show that he's heavily wounded but still alive (thanks to the totally effective Stormtrooper armor). Instead, they gave us Captain Phasma again, who I think was handled even more poorly than Finn, if you can believe that. She was built up as some sort of super-amazing badass villain and she has barely any scenes in TFA, dies like a bitch, comes back in TLJ, dies in an even worse way and then no one ever mentions her again. Hasbro must have been pleased with the sales of her action figures about as much as they enjoyed watching the figurines for Holdo and Asian Shrek fly off the shelves.
 
On the bright side, that also means that Disney didn't ruin him, so his legacy is safe. He can continue being the only decent sequel meme ad infinitum. Assuming they don't do something boneheaded in the future like actually try to make him a serious character. Never underestimate Disney's stupidity.
I'll assume that they'll ruin him at some point or another. Disney has proven they overreach based on responses and don't seem to be fully able to predict what will be popular. They didn't expect TR and they also didn't expect Baby Yoda to have any real legs. And they didn't for all their bluster, because they had nothing ready for that toy wise.

It's legit funny as hell that if you didn't listen or know how TFA was made, you'd almost think that TR was only put in there because they couldn't get Phasma to fill that role that day. But nope; she was the last minute add-on they focused on over the accidental success since Kennedy is a shit producer who tried and failed to mimic the Toyetic approach George had in later years.

Anyways thought of the day: You can survive beyond your purpose in Star Wars purely on costume and fanfiction alone; just look at Fett and Maul.

Extra thought: Brand synergy is having the tie-ins add onto a work, not forcing people to buy them for explanations.
 
Instead, they gave us Captain Phasma again, who I think was handled even more poorly than Finn, if you can believe that. She was built up as some sort of super-amazing badass villain and she has barely any scenes in TFA, dies like a bitch, comes back in TLJ, dies in an even worse way and then no one ever mentions her again.
Disney seems to think that the only way to make people like their OCs is through astroturfing campaigns. Phasma was the first, then Aphra and now the High Republic (you can see the bots in the comments section of the first episode of their High Republic podcast/show).
 
Disney seems to think that the only way to make people like their OCs is through astroturfing campaigns. Phasma was the first, then Aphra and now the High Republic (you can see the bots in the comments section of the first episode of their High Republic podcast/show).
In their eyes, paying a botfarm to spread positive comments is a more sustainable, cheaper and easier way to get the kind of word-of-mouth that they want.
The weird thing is, that even now people buy into this shit.
Their tiny communities celebrate anything with the SW logo on it, they buy every shitty product, praise every shitty show, movie or game, and they buy into astroturfed hype for shit no one ever asked for. Thank fuck, that group is not large enough to keep Star Wars afloat. I'd love to know just how deep in the red they are with this shit after a year of COVID obliterating any kind of ROI for their Disneyland strip-mall and overpriced hotel. They didn't plan to release any movies after Solo and PlanIX failed miserably, so chances are, the impact on that front was low enough, but pressure to make money from everything else going down the crapper must be still a huge issue.
 
I just find it funny that they keep doing the paid shills and botnets and unironically are confused and delusional on why no one actually talks about anything they shill.

Remember: Disney+ still uses numbers that include people who merely have it because it's bundled on Verizon.
 
In their eyes, paying a botfarm to spread positive comments is a more sustainable, cheaper and easier way to get the kind of word-of-mouth that they want.
The weird thing is, that even now people buy into this shit.
Their tiny communities celebrate anything with the SW logo on it, they buy every shitty product, praise every shitty show, movie or game, and they buy into astroturfed hype for shit no one ever asked for. Thank fuck, that group is not large enough to keep Star Wars afloat. I'd love to know just how deep in the red they are with this shit after a year of COVID obliterating any kind of ROI for their Disneyland strip-mall and overpriced hotel. They didn't plan to release any movies after Solo and PlanIX failed miserably, so chances are, the impact on that front was low enough, but pressure to make money from everything else going down the crapper must be still a huge issue.
People buy into it because what the rest of the media offers is barely substantial in most cases.
The MCU was dumb popcorn fun that ended when Thanos died.
The DCAU flopped like a whale dragged out of the water.
Game of Thrones ended poorly in many people's eyes.
Most movies and TV shows nowadays go from average to below average.

So if you get average shows like Season 7 of Clone Wars and the Mandalorian, and you pair that up with average games like Jedi Fallen Order or EAFront 2, people eat that up and think it's great.

When looking at these things with a critical lens, they're not that great, they're average at most.
-S7 of TCW had a lot of cool concepts and set-pieces, but the story has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese, and some holes are big enough to drive a Death Star through.
-The Mandalorian is barely above-average, and it treats its resident villains like Team Rocket, killing much of the tension when their enemies, 99% of the time, are tactically worthless and don't pose a challenge at all.
-Jedi Fallen Order steals from better games with nary an original bone in its body, all for a tale that retcons itself in the end when the good guys get the McGuffin they need, but they destroy it instead of using it. Much better Jedi action games exist, like the EP3 game, the Force Unleashed games, and the Jedi Knight and KOTOR games, but because Fallen Order came out in recent years after a drought of Star Wars games, people act like it's the Second Coming of Jedi Outcast, even though JO is a far better game by a mile, in terms of both story and gameplay.
-EAFront 2 is described as "getting better", but outside of modders adding characters and factions from outside the norm, it's barely an upgrade. The original Battlefront 2 is just as expansive with mods, the only difference is, you get perks not from paying cash, but by killing shit and getting more points in a single life.

The fanbase is practically a battered housewife at this point. They've been so starved of good content that average content is now seen as great.
 
I just find it funny that they keep doing the paid shills and botnets and unironically are confused and delusional on why no one actually talks about anything they shill.

Remember: Disney+ still uses numbers that include people who merely have it because it's bundled on Verizon.

And, as @Admiral Mantoid has shown us, when and where numbers are available, I don't think this translates to much real money in the way that Disney wants us to think it does. They've lost BILLIONS in the last year....the parks are the biggest overall money-maker, and they are in the shitter.
 
I've said it all long IRL, the only memorable character in the entire ST is the TR8-R guy and he got zero supplemental love whatsoever.
He didn't go entirely without mention, unfortunately. Before the Awakening, a sort of novel/picture-book hybrid written by DC's premier lesbian-fancier, Greg Rucka, named the character FN-2199 and provided a small amount of backstory as well as showing him unmasked, which, if memory serves, set off a brief Twitter shitstorm at the time because the character was depicted as a red-haired white man (and the actual stuntman who played him onscreen was ethnically Asian).

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He didn't go entirely without mention, unfortunately. Before the Awakening, a sort of novel/picture-book hybrid written by DC's premier lesbian-fancier, Greg Rucka, named the character FN-2199 and provided a small amount of backstory as well as showing him unmasked, which, if memory serves, set off a brief Twitter shitstorm at the time because the character was depicted as a red-haired white man (and the actual stuntman who played him onscreen was ethnically Asian).

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As I said, that character's better off buried. Lest Disney make him another flag-bearer for the Trans/LGBT/SJW cause by having him defect to the Resistance and find a new gay lover there, or find out that he actually identifies as a woman.
 
And, as @Admiral Mantoid has shown us, when and where numbers are available, I don't think this translates to much real money in the way that Disney wants us to think it does. They've lost BILLIONS in the last year....the parks are the biggest overall money-maker, and they are in the shitter.
I remember finding out the other day that Disney has officially terminated the distribution of Annual Passes at their parks.

They are royally taking it in the ass in terms of finances, while their desperate pleas to Biden and the Chinese market continue to go unanswered.
 
I remember finding out the other day that Disney has officially terminated the distribution of Annual Passes at their parks.

They are royally taking it in the ass in terms of finances, while their desperate pleas to Biden and the Chinese market continue to go unanswered.
Well, that's what Iger gets for not calling out Newsom out on his COVID hysteria.
 
I remember finding out the other day that Disney has officially terminated the distribution of Annual Passes at their parks.

They are royally taking it in the ass in terms of finances, while their desperate pleas to Biden and the Chinese market continue to go unanswered.
I can see China stiffing them, but I do think Biden might be dumb enough to give them a stimulus. Especially since they can cry about how they might have to cut more jobs if they're not given a bailout.
 
If you ever needed further proof that Favreau still has no intent to deviate from the sequels/nucanon...

Also according @Itchy Bacca...
1: r/saltierthancrait, the former most active subreddit for shitting on Disney, hammered down the rules so hard at this point that you can't even shit on Disney anymore, which begs to question as to what you're even supposed to do on there. Comes as no surprise to me after they limited memes and practically banned them during IX's release alongside spoilers. Never change Reddit... Or do. Hopefully r/wsb makes you all grow some balls. (:optimistic:)

2: Itchy found another High Republic image containing info on the "Phase 1 timeline" of High Republic, of all the crap they initially had planned for 2020. Imagine all of that shit in just a few months if Corona had let them have their way.
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Just think what Phase 2 will look like.

3: Disney drones tried to shut his blog down.

4: The family of that Geeks and Gamers guy is getting harassed. The guy is a closet shill who is mostly just bashing Disney for fame and attention, but nobody deserves to have their family harassed and insulted over something so petty when they have zero involvement in any of this SW drama.
 
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