ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

Mr Pancakes said:
I did read a tra's "article" about why what JK rowlings writings was transphobic...except they didnt quote anything from her "manifesto" and went off on a tangent about "dogwhistles" and how saying X is code for "we want trannies dead". If I ever find it again i will post because it was pretty lulzy. The arguments they made were similar to the drinking white milk is white power/the ok sign is a secret white power sign nonsense that the internet make up. Alot of these TRAs are paranoid.
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Could it be one of these by that mad lad (and getting madder by the week) Colin/Katie Montgomerie?


 
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People rag on 40+ year old women and "Karens" for being out of touch, but any well adjusted adult woman who makes some cringe "womyn = adult human female" videos on the weekend is better in my book than the kinds of Kevin Gibes-esque Twitter creatures that command lots of attention and asspats. Then of course figures like ContraPoints are simply trendy and palatable to edgy teens. Trans ideology is heavily focused on aesthetics and others' perceptions, so it is naturally a hit with young people who want to fit in somewhere.
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Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r said:
People rag on 40+ year old women and "Karens" for being out of touch, but any well adjusted adult woman who makes some cringe "womyn = adult human female" videos on the weekend is better in my book than the kinds of Kevin Gibes-esque Twitter creatures that command lots of attention and asspats. Then of course figures like ContraPoints are simply trendy and palatable to edgy teens. Trans ideology is heavily focused on aesthetics and others' perceptions, so it is naturally a hit with young people who want to fit in somewhere.
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If I came off as too dismissive of middle-aged women's capacity to affect change, that's my bad and not what I meant at all. Middle-aged women are great at actually doing the shit that needs to be done. They're the fucking backbone of pretty much any social movement because they consistently show up and put in that boring behind-the-scenes work that nobody else wants to do but that is absolutely essential. But it's thankless work, is my point. No matter what middle-aged women do, there is an air of uncoolness about them, as there is around many of the wonks that actually keep the world running. They're not flashy, they're not charismatic, not even when they are, fundamentally, right.

Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r said:
TERFs are a bogeyman and hoping they will improve their optics is a waste of time. It doesn't matter if you are cool and hip. I think it matters more that children aren't allowed access to dangerous medications and fetishists aren't given access to female spaces. Strip away all of the posturing and competition ("I'm right and you're wrong") and you are left with what the real problems are, and they aren't anything to do with YouTube millionaires pondering the definition of "woman" in a bath of milk and neon lighting, but real peoples' lives.
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To keep it thread-relevant, despite him being a degenerate, one of Hontra's points absolutely hit the mark and has stayed with me ever since the first time I heard it. In his video The Aesthetic, his character "Justine" says:

Politics is a show. Look around you, try to understand what's happening to this world. The president of the United States is a reality TV star. The 21st century is an aesthetic century. In history, there are ages of reason and there are ages of spectacle, and it's important to know which one you're in. Our America, our internet, is not ancient Athens. It's Rome. And your problem is that you think you're in a forum when you're really in the circus.

This is a completely based take, and a large part of Contra's success. We're in an age where optics > substance and where meme wars actually matter. To dismiss optics is the worst move you can make. Optics is how trannies won the culture war. It's why Gen Z is as brainwashed on this issue as it is. Having to resort to making it illegal in order to keep young girls from mutilating their breasts and taking T is indicative of trannies winning. Forcibly cutting off the supply is not nearly as effective as cutting off the demand. And the only way to stop the demand is to win the culture war so that girls no longer fixate on trooning out as a solution to their problems. And that means caring about optics.
 
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Oh piss off! said:
Could it be one of these by that mad lad (and getting madder by the week) Colin/Katie Montgomerie?


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Ah yes, i think i mixed them up, it was some time ago i read them and the second is tl:dr but i remember reading the thing about the fish and thought "you're having a laugh mate". Good find!
 
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TERF is just the 'other'. Same way everyones a nazi or if thats not good enough, crypto nazi. The other. Contra can always point to the other to distract from their own shortcomings, failures and poor arguments which...well this thread.

2 Problems
First, they dont give a shit about PR. Trannies feed their rape fears and anxieties and there is no negotiating with an unhinged woman (the stats on you being randomly attacked, let alone randomly raped is so small it really shouldnt even be reported)
Second, most TERFs are your mum or aunties (35-55) who never felt comfortable with trannies and fought for actual rights, not 'uwu rights'. You cannot negotiate with them, they will not listen. Either to temper their arguments or embrace girl cock. Unwavering.

GenZ has yet to really make a big impact either way and need a few years. But I have seen some pushback, just not as much as I would like. As soon as they realise that being an arsehole isnt illegal (saying 'mean' things), trannies are gone and 41% becomes much higher.
 
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In my mind "TERFs" are people opposed to The Trans Menace because it's bad for women/feminism. This is to distinguish them from the other major anti-Trans groups, Parents concerned about their kids becoming Trans. The Parents make much more effective advocates because they tend to be otherwise apolitical people with worries like "My child wants to sterilize herself because of Tumblr." TERFs are less effective because they only appeal to already convinced feminists.

The most effective advocates are detransitioners. Once there's a critical mass of them I think we'll see a sea-change with regard to transgender issues.
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Not just detransitioners but also Gender Nonconforming people.
 
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How Do You Do Fellow Kids said:
If I came off as too dismissive of middle-aged women's capacity to affect change, that's my bad and not what I meant at all. Middle-aged women are great at actually doing the shit that needs to be done. They're the fucking backbone of pretty much any social movement because they consistently show up and put in that boring behind-the-scenes work that nobody else wants to do but that is absolutely essential. But it's thankless work, is my point. No matter what middle-aged women do, there is an air of uncoolness about them, as there is around many of the wonks that actually keep the world running. They're not flashy, they're not charismatic, not even when they are, fundamentally, right.



To keep it thread-relevant, despite him being a degenerate, one of Hontra's points absolutely hit the mark and has stayed with me ever since the first time I heard it. In his video The Aesthetic, his character "Justine" says:

Politics is a show. Look around you, try to understand what's happening to this world. The president of the United States is a reality TV star. The 21st century is an aesthetic century. In history, there are ages of reason and there are ages of spectacle, and it's important to know which one you're in. Our America, our internet, is not ancient Athens. It's Rome. And your problem is that you think you're in a forum when you're really in the circus.

This is a completely based take, and a large part of Contra's success. We're in an age where optics > substance and where meme wars actually matter. To dismiss optics is the worst move you can make. Optics is how trannies won the culture war. It's why Gen Z is as brainwashed on this issue as it is. Having to resort to making it illegal in order to keep young girls from mutilating their breasts and taking T is indicative of trannies winning. Forcibly cutting off the supply is not nearly as effective as cutting off the demand. And the only way to stop the demand is to win the culture war so that girls no longer fixate on trooning out as a solution to their problems. And that means caring about optics.
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This is a very good point, but I still think that the opposition to troons is poorly defined. There's no real coherent group to improve its optics, not just as far as TERFs are concerned, but everyone who even cares about this stuff/has a bone to pick with trans ideology seems to have wildly differing personal motivations for it (conservative dudebro vs. 40 year old mother vs. radical feminist etc. etc.).

Ultimately if you are going for the angle of making your argument more popular, it depends on what is hip and cool at the time. It's one thing to understand this concept and to understand who you can and can't persuade, but if you're truly uncool there isn't much you can do about it, and some people just don't want to partake in social media culture.
I also think legal actions are very valuable now this stuff has been mainstreamed. Limiting and regulating resources used to "transition" should be done regardless, including for those children who were going down this route before it became a fad.
 
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Oh piss off! said:
Could it be one of these by that mad lad (and getting madder by the week) Colin/Katie Montgomerie?


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colin is a bully who gets off on playing the victim while getting his minions to attack anyone who disagrees with him

fun fact i found one of colins weak spots. tell him he has man legs (which he does) He once arrogantly asked me what part of him is manly as he thought he really does look like a woman, i mentioned (truthfully) he has large man legs. cue tantrum and victim playing. it was hilarious, he acted like id shot him and he was dying
 
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colin is a bully who gets off on playing the victim while getting his minions to attack anyone who disagrees with him

fun fact i found one of colins weak spots. tell him he has man legs (which he does) He once arrogantly asked me what part of him is manly as he thought he really does look like a woman, i mentioned (truthfully) he has large man legs. cue tantrum and victim playing. it was hilarious, he acted like id shot him and he was dying
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MTF troons know they look like men. They just don't like their masturbatory illusion being shattered. They get off on feeling like everyone else sees them as uwu anime schoolgirls or whatever. They get so pissed because you're basically confiscating a coomer's computer for a while. They only coom to the thought of themselves as "girls."
 
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Are they deluded about what they look like without makeup and filters, cause otherwise why post videos like this? That is unmistakably a man at the start:


Anyway: Contra. Contra's voice annoys the fuck out of me, it insults me. No woman sounds like that. He sounds like Minnie Mouse slowed down.
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he sounds like a ru paul reject
 
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The MTF music artist Sophie, who Contra seemed to be a fan of and whose music he used in his "Beauty" video, has died in Greece.
Sophie dead: How did Grammy nominated musician Sophie die?
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😬 RIP moon-gazing tranny.
 
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sorry for philosophy sperg but I saw this clip on Twitter and it made my brain hurt



contra refuses to answer the question "what is womanhood?" because ""it's metaphysics""

metaphysical: from the Greek "meta-" (beyond) + "physis" (nature): beyond what is natural , beyond material reality.

"A woman is an adult human female" is NOT a metaphysical definition. It's as grounded in material reality as it gets.
Contrapoints comes in and replies "no, a woman is not an adult human female, but something else. Something detached from the physical reality of biological sex".
"Ok, what is that thing then?" we ask.
"Oh, you ask me to speak of metaphysics! Why does it matter? Why are you asking metaphysical questions?" bruh.
YOU'RE the one who made womanhood metaphysical! And then you refuse to elaborate on its definiton because you don't want to talk about metaphysics??? What the fuck. Why. How does one just sit there and say something so utterly absurd with so much confidence.

I'm MATI and it's only a two minute clip, this is why I don't watch his videos anymore, I'd probably kms if I had to sit through two hours of this.
And I'm sure his fans ate this shit up because they don't really understand or care to, they just want someone vaguely intelligent sounding to validate their beliefs. I hate it here
 
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I believe someone predicted this up thread: Philosophy Tube has just come out as a transwoman.

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I wonder how much influence Nick had on his decision.

Edit: It's pretty telling that he only mentions real women to complain about them. He shows no solidarity to the group he seems to think he is part of. He also hasn't done basic research on women's health. A lot of women are refused HRT by their GPs, same with breast reductions.


He thinks puberty blockers are reversible.


He had a Freudian slip at the end. "That's why I'm a woman now".
 
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How predictable.

"Because of my existing following I have now, instantly, become one of the most recognisable trans people in the country".

m8, no you haven't hahaha. No one outside of lefty youtube has the faintest clue who you are. What a self aggrandizing fame grab. Hope you get the Oscar Nobel Peace Prize!
 
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Edit: It's pretty telling that he only mentions real women to complain about them. He shows no solidarity to the group he seems to think he is part of. He also hasn't done basic research on women's health. A lot of women are refused HRT by their GPs, same with breast reductions.
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Oliver grows out his hair and is now more vulnerable UwU than teenage girls getting abortions. As usual "muh rich white cis women" are mentioned but 0 mentioning of the usually conservative guys who actually beat up troons. "Cis women" this, "cis women" that. Lol, fuck these guys. Rate me MATI.
 
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Oh piss off! said:
Are they deluded about what they look like without makeup and filters, cause otherwise why post videos like this? That is unmistakably a man at the start:


Anyway: Contra. Contra's voice annoys the fuck out of me, it insults me. No woman sounds like that. He sounds like Minnie Mouse slowed down.
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Agreed, his voice is very unpleasant to listen to and it's because he's trying so hard to fake it. He ends up sounding like a cartoon character than an actual person.
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sorry for philosophy sperg but I saw this clip on Twitter and it made my brain hurt

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contra refuses to answer the question "what is womanhood?" because ""it's metaphysics""

metaphysical: from the Greek "meta-" (beyond) + "physis" (nature): beyond what is natural , beyond material reality.

"A woman is an adult human female" is NOT a metaphysical definition. It's as grounded in material reality as it gets.
Contrapoints comes in and replies "no, a woman is not an adult human female, but something else. Something detached from the physical reality of biological sex".
"Ok, what is that thing then?" we ask.
"Oh, you ask me to speak of metaphysics! Why does it matter? Why are you asking metaphysical questions?" bruh.
YOU'RE the one who made womanhood metaphysical! And then you refuse to elaborate on its definiton because you don't want to talk about metaphysics??? What the fuck. Why. How does one just sit there and say something so utterly absurd with so much confidence.

I'm MATI and it's only a two minute clip, this is why I don't watch his videos anymore, I'd probably kms if I had to sit through two hours of this.
And I'm sure his fans ate this shit up because they don't really understand or care to, they just want someone vaguely intelligent sounding to validate their beliefs. I hate it here
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Absolutely pathetic. So in other words, he's essentially saying that because he looks super feminine, that makes him a woman? Get the fuck out of here lol Men can be feminine and who's he fooling, the lights and filters have really deluded him because we've seen what he looks like out in public and really, he's not fooling anyone.
 
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