Porn and Porncows

There is graphic penetration between a dog and a white girl. They're just both puppets.
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There are other scenes as well.

I'd say it's porn in the same way that hentai is porn.
You're right, I meant as in actual porn actors having sex. Isn't there a fish that fellates some guy? It's been ages since I've seen this, but not surprised that Vinegar Syndrome re-released it on blu-ray. I wonder if the girl and the dog is a reference to that infamous Linda Lovelace stag loop she did.
 
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You're right, I meant as in actual porn actors having sex. Isn't there a fish that fellates some guy? It's been ages since I've seen this, but not surprised that Vinegar Syndrome re-released it on blu-ray. I wonder if the girl and the dog is a reference to that infamous Linda Lovelace stag loop she did.
I don't know about the fish, the movie is curiosa and it's not something that I have actually watched, I just posted it because it felt like a funny response to @Syaoran Li's paragraph about old experimental or high concept porn. No one wanted a puppet porn movie but someone did it anyway and they put puppet bestiality in it, could be a reference, might be because they could get away with it.
 
in addition to max hardcore and facial abuse, there was this chap named khan tusion.
anyone know about him?
@2021Murder what do you got on Khan Tusion? I faintly remember something about him being the brother of a local politician or political radio host and used his money and influence to protect him. I was only able to find this on him. http://whale.to/c/khan_tusion.html (Archive) aside from his IAFD page.

His main gimmick across videos is digging into the female preformers' during the interview to verbally degrade and shame them before and during the scene to try and make them cry. Meatholes his hardcore degration and domination without bondage. Midnight Prowl has porn actresses getting gangbanged by randos off the street. pretty nasty shit but since internet porn came of age nothing too shocking by modern desensitized standards just openly mean and misogynistic. Still fucked up enough too make quit watching porn for awhile after going through this. I really wish didn't sit down and skipped around through it.

If the above link is too be true Khan is currently shady real estate salesmen just search his real name. SFV Real Estate Developer Facing Federal Charges (Archive) Plus Department of Justice Press Release on the case. (Archive)
 
All this talk about pornos trying to be more than the sex, and all I can think of is people saying porn director Axel Braun made better superhero costumes for his porn parodies than what you'd see in the mainstream (especially DC).
It's TRUE though. But that's because costumers love what they do and finding good quality ones is relatively cheap. The Assistant manager at the petsmart could buy a better quality superhero costume than the ones we see in the MCU. The only requirement is to know the right people and be in the la metropolitan area

Even in Shakespeare's day costuming was the most inexpensive part of the whole production.

And unlike Hollywood, porn can and usually does try to cast as close to the source as possible, no netflix niggery bullshit. Because this film is for fans not for normies.

@2021Murder what do you got on Khan Tusion? I faintly remember something about him being the brother of a local politician or political radio host and used his money and influence to protect him. I was only able to find this on him. http://whale.to/c/khan_tusion.html (Archive) aside from his IAFD page.

His main gimmick across videos is digging into the female preformers' during the interview to verbally degrade and shame them before and during the scene to try and make them cry. Meatholes his hardcore degration and domination without bondage. Midnight Prowl has porn actresses getting gangbanged by randos off the street. pretty nasty shit but since internet porn came of age nothing too shocking by modern desensitized standards just openly mean and misogynistic. Still fucked up enough too make quit watching porn for awhile after going through this. I really wish didn't sit down and skipped around through it.

If the above link is too be true Khan is currently shady real estate salesmen just search his real name. SFV Real Estate Developer Facing Federal Charges (Archive) Plus Department of Justice Press Release on the case. (Archive)
Dont know a single thing. I dont even know what race he is.
 
The first episode of Hot Girls Wanted: Turned On (made in 2017) goes into this idea of porn being more than just fucking. It has 2 female directors who shoot "artsy" porn. One is someone who films these porn parodies/fantasy scenes with pornstar level acting (idr the name), the other was Erika Lust, who films porn with the female mind in play, trying to make it appear more sensual and erotic rather than just a woman getting ran through by men with large penises.

Both if I remember (and especially the 1st director) said that it is difficult to compete with all these other sites and producers who skip all the bullshit and just fuck the actress. Even the 1st director's mother, who was apparently this adult film producer female icon (first to photograph for Playboy or something like that way back when pictures were in black and white) believe the old style of porn where they took care of the appearance and costume was dead, and hoped her daughter would either go into mainstream pictures/film shooting or just swap over to the "just fuck" model. The first director admitted that every year her budget becomes smaller and smaller and people are just not purchasing it enough for her to make as much money as she puts in.

I don't think there is much of a market for it anymore. Why would you go to the effort of making a script, picking up fantasy costumes and applying a lot of makeup when everyone else is showing these same women getting banged in about 5 seconds.

With hardcore, I think you're absolutely right that the market for any kind of hardcore having any pretense of a plot is dead aside from the occasional cosplay parody since porn parodies are one of those things that never fully goes away and seems to run in cycles.


The only major companies I know of that do hardcore porn with a premise or plot that aren't niche like the ones mentioned in Hot Girls Wanted would be Adam & Eve, since they make those movies for the purpose of doing softcore edits to air on places like Showtime and then have the uncut hardcore scenes be available online by themselves with the full hardcore movies available on DVD or whatever for the big league goons and coomers. Which brings me to my next point.

Softcore, I think there's still a market if you know how to sell it right as Skinemax was still a thing right up until late 2017, and that had more to do with the AT&T buyout of Warner and HBO than almost anything else.

Those movies were dirt cheap and always made some kind of profit.

IIRC, Jim Wynorski and Dean McKendrick (Fred Olen Ray's apparent protege) are still making softcore B-movies for the Direct-to-DVD/Direct-to-Streaming market and I think the key with those types of movies is to play up the B-movie and comedy angles and since they're softcore, they can easily have a stealth debut on more mainstream services with just a hard R or TV-MA rating. It helps that a lot of the directors were actual B-Movie veterans in the vein of guys like Roger Corman.

You could do the softcore movies aimed at a female audience and married couples that play up the "soap opera with tits" feel of a lot of the old 90's stuff if you keep the overhead really low but I think a more viable route is to go full Spike TV and have new titles serve as B-Movies, or Andy Sidaris-style romps that blend genre flicks with softcore porn.
 
Dont know a single thing. I dont even know what race he is.
Hey Mr. Pro (not being facetious),

What ever happened to the softcore pay-per-view crap that hotels/motels pumped into their rooms?
The kind of shit that never showed penetration. Just boobs, maybe a quick gash-shot, and a hairy man-butt jumping up and down in a sideways shot.

What happened to that market?
Better days... Better days...
 
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Hey Mr. Pro (not being facetious),

What ever happened to the softcore pay-per-view crap that hotels/motels pumped into their rooms?
The kind of shit that never showed penetration. Just boobs, maybe a quick gash-shot, and a hairy man-butt jumping up and down in a sideways shot.

What happened to that market?
Better days... Better days...

Softcore has been in a severe decline thanks partly to the AT&T buyout of Warner/HBO but it hasn't totally died.

Adam & Eve and a few other companies still make pay-per-view flicks that are softcore edits of hardcore pornos. Usually they'll have two different cameras filming from different angles, one angle for the hardcore scenes and the other being softcore angles for the motel market and for Showtime late at night.

IIRC, some of the softcore directors like Jim Wynorski are still making Skinemax-style softcore movies for the direct-to-streaming market, usually with a campy B-Movie flair.
 
Softcore has been in a severe decline thanks partly to the AT&T buyout of Warner/HBO but it hasn't totally died.

Adam & Eve and a few other companies still make pay-per-view flicks that are softcore edits of hardcore pornos. Usually they'll have two different cameras filming from different angles, one angle for the hardcore scenes and the other being softcore angles for the motel market and for Showtime late at night.

IIRC, some of the softcore directors like Jim Wynorski are still making Skinemax-style softcore movies for the direct-to-streaming market, usually with a campy B-Movie flair.
Yea you can find them easily on services like Amazon even. Albeit with a subscription to something like say, the Full Moon Pictures streaming channel. Otherwise oddly, you'll just find edited versions on Prime that try and pass as legit movies with all the sex cut out.
 
Yea you can find them easily on services like Amazon even. Albeit with a subscription to something like say, the Full Moon Pictures streaming channel. Otherwise oddly, you'll just find edited versions on Prime that try and pass as legit movies with all the sex cut out.

It's because Prime has rules that mandate NC-17 movies streamed on the regular Prime service get their sex scenes edited out. Bezos has never liked porn of any kind and only begrudingly tolerates softcore and hentai DVD's being sold on his platform by third-party sellers.
 
It's because Prime has rules that mandate NC-17 movies streamed on the regular Prime service get their sex scenes edited out. Bezos has never liked porn of any kind and only begrudingly tolerates softcore and hentai DVD's being sold on his platform by third-party sellers.
I figured that much heh. But it just makes me think back to when they pulled that to play those kinds of movies on premium channels that wouldn't touch em otherwise (example: regular Showtime).
 
Hey Mr. Pro (not being facetious),

What ever happened to the softcore pay-per-view crap that hotels/motels pumped into their rooms?
The kind of shit that never showed penetration. Just boobs, maybe a quick gash-shot, and a hairy man-butt jumping up and down in a sideways shot.

What happened to that market?
Better days... Better days...
I dont know; they're probably still around but no one looks for it. I remember seeing some in the late 2000s.

I know cinemax was going to get rid of their porn in the 90s but one guy basically cut their department to shreds and did it all themselves for over a decade. Had all the films made out of house and basically like a quarter of the stations programming was all decided on by one guy who apparently just loved soft core that much.
 
Yea you can find them easily on services like Amazon even. Albeit with a subscription to something like say, the Full Moon Pictures streaming channel. Otherwise oddly, you'll just find edited versions on Prime that try and pass as legit movies with all the sex cut out.
That’s....great.
 
This reminds me of yet another infamous series in the same vein, called something like Sweetloads IIRC. It was basically a guy casting in his shitty office, also being degrading and mean (but still not to the levels of Max Hardcore or Facial Abuse). I got scarred by one video in particular, when my horny teenage brain came to the realisation that even though it's "official" porn, the line of consent can still get blurred somewhat and the people involved aren't necessarily having a fun sexy time. By Max Hardcore / FA standards I guess it still wasn't too bad, but I distinctly recall the scumbag going for rough anal and the girl pretty clearly not enjoying it in any way.
does dude was french?
 
This sounds like one of Rocco's casting video series.

but without the memetic rocco voice.

and most of his castings aren't amateurs tho, unless you mean really old stuff or he releases them only waaaay later.
 
Anyone got anything on Bangbros mope JMac? Bald dude with a stupid chinstrap beard, looks like uses steroids but doesn't lift. You know who im talking about?
 
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Literally the only hardcore porn stars who crossed over into mainstream acting were Sunny Leone and Ron Jeremy, the former is an A-Lister in a foreign market while the latter mainly went above and beyond to astroturf his own career outside of porn, banking on his downright bad looks, goofball sense of self-deprecating humor, and the fact he is probably the only male porn star normies know by name aside from maybe John Holmes.

There are a few softcore-exclusive porn actresses and actors who do crossover into the wider mainstream like David Duchovny who had some roles in the early days of Skinemax on shows like Red Shoes Diaries before he hit it really big with with The X-Files in the 90's.

The Simpsons gag about Mulder's FBI badge showing him in a speedo was meant as a reference to that.

Christine Nguyen is one of the last actresses who was a softcore star that never did hardcore as far as anyone knows and is apparently more active in the mainstream than one would think.

She had a cameo in Get Him To The Greek and was a semi-regular actress for smaller roles on SyFy original movies and The Asylum's mockbusters, but she also does a lot of voice acting and has been in a lot of commercials and promos. You know the Disney Channel's promos back in the 2000's? That was her.

She's also been in a few bit roles for anime (usually the dubs from the later days of Geneon or the rare Media Blasters dub) as well as lower-budget cartoons and video games and she usually is credited under the names Jennifer Loma, Jin Li, or Jennifer Lee (the last one she's also used for some of the early softcore titles she did for Showtime)

Apparently, Christine Nguyen is a good example of a softcore porn star who breaks into the mainstream.

She's not mainstream in the same way as one of the A-Lister or even B-Lister stars, but she's in the mainstream as a C-Lister who's always getting work because she's good and reliable at what she does (modeling, bit roles, and voice-overs)

That was the thing about the old softcore Skinemax stuff, it was kind of like the indie wrestling leagues. The kind of people who worked them were either hardcore porn stats whose careers were fading or had already faded or younger talent that could get their foot in the door to either move up to hardcore porn or alternately avoid the hardcore market and get low-profile but also reliably steady work in horror movies, B-movies, or bit roles.
Interesting.

I couldn't find much about David Duchovny being in cinemax films.

Do you have some sources?
 
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