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Here's an interesting alternative take, I'm surprised to see Louis cover it.

tl;dr WSB got suckered into doing what the hedgies wanted according to a lone redditor.

I don't really buy it, the fact that he wasn't posting this on WSB is a decent indicator of bullshit. At one point a redditor starts asking the right questions and he's suddenly like "Oh geez, I'm getting harassed by gamers, gotta go soon!" Only time will tell, eight or nine hours until shtf.
 

Here's an interesting alternative take, I'm surprised to see Louis cover it.

tl;dr WSB got suckered into doing what the hedgies wanted according to a lone redditor.

I don't really buy it, the fact that he wasn't posting this on WSB is a decent indicator of bullshit. At one point a redditor starts asking the right questions and he's suddenly like "Oh geez, I'm getting harassed by gamers, gotta go soon!" Only time will tell, eight or nine hours until shtf.

>"Hey everybody, today what I'd like to do is read the perspective of a user on reddi--

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Professional software engineer here that somewhat frequently deals with AI... I know what you're getting at but the two situations really aren't comparable at all. The main difference is that life forms evolved by their ability to change their inputs and outputs (adaptation) and modern AI does not really do that at all. Even the most sophisticated systems in the world are basically just tweaking numbers to better fulfill probability calculations. Then HR slaps a pretty looking interface on it to make it look smarter than it actually is.

Honestly most of how this stuff works is available for everybody to research. The hardest part is understanding the math theory behind it, but the mechanisms of how it actually executes are usually incredibly simple and I think it would clear a lot up for you. Probably just find some good youtube videos.
 

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The honest to God truth is nobody knows what is going to happen Monday morning. IMO though the sell off of solid investments like Microsoft and Tesla on Friday indicates the fuse got lit for an explosion. Whether it happens or not is anyone's guess but there is a shit ton of uncertainty.

Someone in this thread commented that "the people are rioting with their money", and that is literally what is going on. We are watching a full on riot play out. The causes and motivations for a riot may be rational but by definition its execution is not. And it can cause a stupendous amount of damage.

The smart play on Monday IMO is to GTFO. Riots end in only two ways. Total meltdown or crackdown by the authorities. The latter of which could be both figurative or literal. Figuratively the big hedge funds not in deep to this mess will start to move in and they will start night sticking the little guys. Literally and someone will go wake Grandpa Joe up from his nap in the White House sun room so the Feds can move in and crash the party. Or else the rioters win and burn the shit to the ground.

Either way if you value your money you dont want to be there when the shit really hits the fan.
 
The honest to God truth is nobody knows what is going to happen Monday morning. IMO though the sell off of solid investments like Microsoft and Tesla on Friday indicates the fuse got lit for an explosion. Whether it happens or not is anyone's guess but there is a shit ton of uncertainty.

Someone in this thread commented that "the people are rioting with their money", and that is literally what is going on. We are watching a full on riot play out. The causes and motivations for a riot may be rational but by definition its execution is not. And it can cause a stupendous amount of damage.

The smart play on Monday IMO is to GTFO. Riots end in only two ways. Total meltdown or crackdown by the authorities. The latter of which could be both figurative or literal. Figuratively the big hedge funds not in deep to this mess will start to move in and they will start night sticking the little guys. Literally and someone will go wake Grandpa Joe up from his nap in the White House sun room so the Feds can move in and crash the party. Or else the rioters win and burn the shit to the ground.

Either way if you value your money you dont want to be there when the shit really hits the fan.
No matter what happens, this only confirms one thing.

We are in the most wacky timeline
 
Anything that is being posted that would contribute to de-evaluate the stocks or divert attention away from the stocks being shorted are obvious plants. Look at this push all of a sudden to invest in silver of all things. Keep your eye on the prize buy stock options in shorted stock and hold till the end of February when the squeeze happens. If people follow this concept the only way out for the hedgies is to crash the market. HODL.
 
Not many people remember the competent days of OWS, because they didn't last all that long. Once the spastics took over, everyone reputable fucking ran.
The moment I realized OWS was fucked: when there was a literal neo-nazi hanging around the Zuccotti park and the media spin was: look at how wacky and diverse the protestors are! Such an obvious glowie, but I didn't know that term yet.
 
Anything that is being posted that would contribute to de-evaluate the stocks or divert attention away from the stocks being shorted are obvious plants. Look at this push all of a sudden to invest in silver of all things. Keep your eye on the prize buy stock options in shorted stock and hold till the end of February when the squeeze happens. If people follow this concept the only way out for the hedgies is to crash the market. HODL.
idk man i'm gonna have to Monitor The Situation ™️ on Monday morning to consider if I'll stay. I got in before it reached 100 so I'm fine. The people who invested around the top however....
 
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I came to KF for this exact reason. It's 4chan with a chromosome count closer to normal levels.
I still like K-Farms but the influx of /pol/ after Christchurch really killed this forum's distinctness. This place was truly unique and strange back in 2017 (always loved the word filters) and I can't imagine how eccentric it was back in 2016 and earlier. But I'll take "4chan on a better day" vs the zombie that is modern 4chan. You even get le ebin upboats too just like on Reddit.
tl;dr WSB got suckered into doing what the hedgies wanted according to a lone redditor.
If this isn't the case (and it very well may be), then it's without a doubt true that at least some interest in GME was astroturfed by the hedge funds and their shills to put a knife in Melvin's back. You just need to look at who holds GME stock to see who benefits. Have a few smart guys at a hedge fund with a plan, shill a bit here and there with some memes/help the spread of memes, and sit back and enjoy the financial carnage as you reap 8-9 figures worth of money.

People who grew up on the internet in the late 90s/early 00 are now in their 30s and are moving higher and higher in the financial world, so people who understand internet culture are playing this game these days and if you have a smart person in the right place then it's probably inevitable they could do something like this.

Still not sure about the Robinhood situation though. Not being able to buy stocks/being extremely limited in purchases on many services makes sense because those services literally couldn't obtain it but forcibly selling stocks? I did see an explanation that Robinhood is in financial trouble over this and they sold the stocks their own hides which makes sense. It also draws the heat from Melvin and Wall Street in general onto them and I think we can all agree they're meant to be the biggest fall guys here, more than even Melvin.
 
The honest to God truth is nobody knows what is going to happen Monday morning. IMO though the sell off of solid investments like Microsoft and Tesla on Friday indicates the fuse got lit for an explosion. Whether it happens or not is anyone's guess but there is a shit ton of uncertainty.

Someone in this thread commented that "the people are rioting with their money", and that is literally what is going on. We are watching a full on riot play out. The causes and motivations for a riot may be rational but by definition its execution is not. And it can cause a stupendous amount of damage.

The smart play on Monday IMO is to GTFO. Riots end in only two ways. Total meltdown or crackdown by the authorities. The latter of which could be both figurative or literal. Figuratively the big hedge funds not in deep to this mess will start to move in and they will start night sticking the little guys. Literally and someone will go wake Grandpa Joe up from his nap in the White House sun room so the Feds can move in and crash the party. Or else the rioters win and burn the shit to the ground.

Either way if you value your money you dont want to be there when the shit really hits the fan.
Funny enough, getting out is precisely the advice being offered by the real Wolf of Wall Street:

Solid advice for getting ready for the markets opening this morning. IMO, taking out your investment when you 2x and just playing with the houses money from there is still in the spirit of this riot. Hodl, but don't be a bag-hodler.
 
Holy shit I might be late but this is massive. According to r/WSB Hedge Funds have been counterfitting Game Stop stock. That's a major fucking SEC violation.

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Short Version: The short version is that a review of the 'strategic fails–to–deliver' data indicates that institutional insiders may have counterfeited a massive number of Gamestop shares which is why they tried to stop retail investors from buying more shares on Thursday.
There are are 71 million shares of GME that have ever been issued by the company. Institutions have reported to the SEC via 13F filings that they own more than 102,000,000 shares (including the 13% of GME stock is owned by Ryan Cohen). That is already 30,000,000 shares more than even exist.
On top of the shares reportedly owned by institutions, retail investors may currently hold 50+ million shares (counting both long holdings and call options – both ITM and OTM).
Once you include call options, retail investors may already hold more than 100% of GME (not just 100% of the float, more than 100% of the actual company). This would be definitive proof of illegal activity at the highest levels of the financial system.
Long Version: A more detailed analysis by /u/johnnydaggers is here. This chart is also from /u/johnnydaggers: Link to original analysis

Long Version (Archive)
I have been following GME since mid-September and over that time I have banked myself a %1300 return in the process. However, the whole time I was a little puzzled with how severe the reactions from Wall Street have been, especially this week. "The company had more than 100% of its stock sold short! That's never happened before!", you say. I know, I know, but that's not actually not a new thing. A short squeeze, even one of this magnitude, should have squoze by now with GME up more than 10x in the span of weeks. Something is just not right. I think there is something much, much bigger going on here. Something big enough to blow up the entire financial system.

Here is my hypothesis: I think the hedge funds, clearing houses, and DTC executed a coordinated effort to put Game Stop out of business by conspiring to create a gargantuan number of counterfeit shares of GME, possibly 100-200% or more of the shares originally issued by Game Stop. In the process, they may have accidentally created a bomb that could blow up the entire system as we know it and we're seeing their efforts to cover this up unfold now. What is that bomb? I believe retail investors may hold more than 100% of GME (not just 100% of the float, more than 100% of the actual company). This would be definitive proof of illegal activity at the highest levels of the financial system.

For you to follow this argument, you need to go read the white paper "Counterfeiting Stock 2.0" so you understand how the hedge funds can create fake stock out of thin air and disguise it so it looks like real shares. They use these fake shares in short attacks to drive the price of a company down until they put them into bankruptcy. This practice seems to be widespread among hedge funds that go short. There is even a term for it, "strategic fails–to–deliver." Counterfeiting shares is extremely illegal (similar level to counterfeiting money) but it's very difficult to prove and even getting the court to approve subpoenas because of the way the financial industry has stacked the deck against investigations.

This completely explains why so many levels of the financial system seem to be actively trying to get in the way of retail investors purchasing more GME. It's not just about a short squeeze, it's about their firms' very existence and their own personal freedom. We have the opportunity to put all these people in jail by proving that we own more than 100% of shares in existence.

There are are 71 million shares of GME that have ever been issued by the company. Institutions have reported to the SEC via 13F filings that they own more than 102,000,000 shares (including the 13% of GME stock is owned by Ryan Cohen). Now, I don't know the delay/variance on these ownership numbers, but I think there is a pretty solid argument that close to 100% of GME is owned by these firms, if not more.

Moreover, there are now more than 7 million people subscribed to r/wallstreetbets~~. I know lots of people here are sitting on a few hundred shares that they bought back when it was under $50. Some of us are even holding thousands. If the average number of shares owned by each subscriber is even close to 5-10, we have a very good shot at also owning a similarly enormous amount of GME.~~ Even if the average was just 10 shares per legit subscriber, that puts the minimum retail position at about 30-50% of the entire company.

GME has been on the NYSE threshold list for almost a month. We don't have January data yet, but I just analyzed the data from the SEC's fails–to–deliver list for December (all 65,871 lines of it) and looked up the number of shares that were likely counterfeit. For comparison, I did the same for a couple random tickers. Most companies have close to no shares not show up. Of those that do, it's a relatively small number of shares. For example, two random companies: Lowes ($LOW, ~$125B market cap) had 13,960 shares fail to be delivered at its highest point that month, Boston Beer Company ($SAM, $11.5B market cap) had 295 shares fail to be delivered.

How many shares of GME failed to deliver? 1,787,191. As the white papers points out, the true number of counterfeit shares can be 20x this number. How bad do you think that number will be when we get the numbers for January? I'm willing to bet its many times that. Look at how that compares to other companies' stock:

Histogram showing number of shares that weren't delivered in December (x-axis) vs the number of companies that fall into that bin (y-axis). GME is an extreme outlier.

I think this explains all the shenanigans going on the last few days. There is way too much counterfeit GME stock out there and DTC, the clearing houses, and the hedge funds are all in on it. That's why there has been such a coordinated effort to disrupt our ability to buy shares. No real shares can be found and it's about to cause the system to fall apart.

TLDR; We probably own way more of GME than we think and that is freaking out Wall Street because it could prove they've been up to some extremely illegal shit and the whole system could implode as a result.

Disclaimer: I'm just a starving engineering PhD student and I don't work in finance. I have no inside knowledge of how the financial system works and I may be wrong on some of this. This is not financial advice and you shouldn't trade based on it. I am book-smart but I still eat crayons like the rest of you. Obligatory rocket: 🚀



EDIT 0: Looks like I truly belong on this sub. On the first version of this post I didn't read the file description properly and summed a cumulative distribution. My numbers were wrong, but I have updated the plot and post with the correct numbers.

EDIT 1: You should also note this is the distribution for NASDAQ tickers, not the entire NYSE. I doubt that the distribution trend is any different though.

EDIT 2: Evidence that Fannie May and Freddie Mac were killed in 2008 via short attacks using counterfeit shares: report. Exactly what I think they were trying to do to GME.

EDIT 3: A lot of people were hung up on the "3 shares per wsb subscriber thing". I know many accounts are bots, I was intentionally underestimating that number. I have adjusted to 10 shares per "legit subscriber" to reflect this without changing the total amount I think retail owns.

EDIT 4: What I'm seeing on Twitter makes me think I'm being interpreted a little too hyperbolically when I say "Something big enough to blow up the entire financial system." We're not going to go back to mud huts, people. This could just be really disruptive for a short amount of time and cause a number of firms to face liquidity problems, possibly bankrupting some of them. Life will go on and I'm confident regulators and government will step in and protect people if necessary. Hopefully they pay more attention to enforcing securities laws going forward to prevent this from happening again.

EDIT 5: Backup link for white paper.

EDIT 6: I am getting thousands of messages. I won't be able to respond to all of them. Here is an FAQ:

  1. How do I learn investing?I am not an authority on this, but my personal opinion is to first learn how to read a company's financial documents and value businesses and only then start thinking about putting your money into specific stocks. Read "the intelligent investor" by Benjamin Graham for this. Then learn how to think about picking stocks. I like Peter Lynch's books for this.
  2. What is going to happen this week?I have no idea and I wouldn't dare to guess.
  3. Are you going to be killed?I don't know where people are getting this idea. I have no special knowledge or insider contacts, and I am in no way, shape, or form an expert on the market or the system behind it. Please treat my tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories as just that. There is nothing to gain from harming me and I have no doubts about my safety. These are just personal opinions and I don't have any schemes to "take down the shorts" or anything like that. I do not advocate for you to buy, hold, or sell. I'm just postulating on how we might have found ourselves in this place.

Allegedly counterfeit stocks that were short are what kill Freddie Mac and Fanny May back in the 2008 crash. If they are doing it with $GME this it could kill any faith in the America stock market domestically and internationally i.e. kill it unless the Fed takes swift and harsh action if it's revealed. to be true.
 
idk man i'm gonna have to Monitor The Situation ™️ on Monday morning to consider if I'll stay. I got in before it reached 100 so I'm fine. The people who invested around the top however....
The only people who get fucked are the ones that bought in at the 200+ mark and sell below it, the strategy is the hedgies doubled down till the end of February expecting us autists to chain panic sell off between now and the end of the month so they can cover some of their losses just hold and you should expect to see it spike up again in a month assuming people are buying the dip during the month of february keeping it above $300 a share. Same concept goes for other shorted stock.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion and am not advising anyone to do anything this is just me exercising my feelings.
 

Here's an interesting alternative take, I'm surprised to see Louis cover it.

tl;dr WSB got suckered into doing what the hedgies wanted according to a lone redditor.

I don't really buy it, the fact that he wasn't posting this on WSB is a decent indicator of bullshit. At one point a redditor starts asking the right questions and he's suddenly like "Oh geez, I'm getting harassed by gamers, gotta go soon!" Only time will tell, eight or nine hours until shtf.
I've seen others say this kind of thing, but it sounds really Talmudic to me. I don't see how hedgies could benefit from a stock going up and they sure wouldn't be trying to get people to stop if it wasn't hurting them. Likewise the whole "well it's just their rivals trying to get you to hit them" argument is kind of like, well so fucking what? If you have multiple enemies and they want to share info on each other with you in order to hurt their enemies, this doesn't mean you don't take and act on said info. Another thing too is the plebbitor in question is saying his information is coming from him working at a hedge fund, so obviously even if you believe he's not larping, he's got every reason in the world to lie.
 
The only people who get fucked are the ones that bought in at the 200+ mark and sell below it, the strategy is the hedgies doubled down till the end of February expecting us autists to chain panic sell off between now and the end of the month so they can cover some of their losses just hold and you should expect to see it spike up again in a month assuming people are buying the dip during the month of february keeping it above $300 a share. Same concept goes for other shorted stock.
i mean i guess but i'm also not thrilled of waiting an entire month. i'm gonna have to go with my gunt on this one
 
I think the term "crowdsourcing" is going to be a term on every hedge fund manager's lips for the next 10 years.

Expect to see bot accounts to flow everywhere. They're getting very sophisticated and this is just going to accelerate it -- I've seen some POCs that can follow meme logic and produce decent memes.

/biz/ and /x/ have some good threads on this, just search "Dead internet theory"
That shit is true and anyone discrediting it is exceptional or mother fuckers. I’m not going to power level, but in 2015 saw a thread about gifts had a friends birthday coming up so went in. Saw this product posted and tons of comments so I looked into it. Turns out it was super bullshit so I posted links showing it was bullshit. I got spammed with replies, private messages, and all kinds of shit. A few people noticed maybe, but it was mostly bots.

I had always assumed that thing was possible, but seeing the degree to which it was executed was mind blowing. pretty much turned me off of anywhere “mainstream” not because I was too cool, but once you see it/have it happen to you it’s pointless to participate. Maybe that’s the point idfk, but just wanted to throw that in.
 
i mean i guess but i'm also not thrilled of waiting an entire month. i'm gonna have to go with my gunt on this one
It doesn't really matter if some people who bought a small amount want out I do not blame them, The fact is the people holding the most shares are standing strong and that is what matters, there will be plenty of people happy to buy your shares. Some people have thousands of dollars sitting around doing nothing and want to invest for the sole purpose of seeing what will happen regardless of taking a loss on it or not.
 
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