Nurse practitioner delusion / "Noctors" / "Midlevel staff" - Nurses get a 1 year degree and start thinking they are better than doctors

[FarCentrist]

I just remembered something. There was a black male nurse that repeatedly pounded on a defenseless, literally defenseless, old white male patient. This was actually a clear case of racist hate crime (not the fake debatable ones) , and the proof came straight from the mouth of the abuser.

That was scrubbed from the media hardcore. What happened to "power dynamics" and "abuse of authority" that the left likes to give lip service to?

My point is less about race and more about the fact that nurses are no different from the plebs they treat. The only difference is job title. So nurses of the world, get off your fucking pedestal.

 

[Trig.Point]

There's also another strange rivalry that isn't seen unless you are in the industry; nurses and NPs versus veterinary technicians.

In other countries vet techs are called veterinary nurses. They are not called that in the US because nurse unions threw a bitchfit saying the term nurse is protected and that nurses get more training and work harder than vet techs. (In some states this is factually untrue as the requirement to be a registered veterinary technician is insane) There's still ongoing battles to standardize paraveterinary terms across the entire US and nurses are fighting against the term 'veterinary nurse.' I believe three states now use that term.

Ironically most girls that can't cut it in the veterinary field just go to nursing instead.

In my exepeirnce veterinary nurses tend to be switched on individuals. A huge chunk of the job is already done by the nurse before she even puts the Animal on the table in front of the vet.

From assesing that it's actually safe (restraining the animal etc), to calming the pet and owner, taking the history etc a lot of vet clinics seem to have 2 or 3 assistants putting animals in front of a single Vet.

Also most veterinary nurses I've met actually like their job, and have skills with people and animals.

 

[Cryin RN]

I did not mean for my post to seem as a massive dump on all nurses, although in hindsight, it does read that way. The original post refers entirely to this new generation of healthcare staff that is emerging from online or daycare courses, with egos pumped up by an all time high in public worship of medical staff, coupled with a distinct lack of formal education or practical experience in the field that would justify this ego and their claims of equality with Doctors.

There's meat on the NP bone for sure, but this thread is now 50% "all other categories of nurses are dumb sluts", which is a separate thread. There needs to be more NP-specific content for this to make it out of PG.

 

[BlakeTheRake]

If all I am doing is talking to someone to have a script refilled a NP will only 5 minutes of my time with CVOID it is on Zoom so it's a great alternative. Before the shutdown I would go to the doctor's office and spend what seems like forever answering all the questions the MD had. If I am just refilling a script I prefer the lack of education and training and handful of questions. Sure I guess if shit was going bad and needed a change in medication and prescription than I would not have a ton of faith in the NP. Other side of that coin.

 

[NerdShamer]

For the women reading this thread, is it a good idea to wash your V with soap? Because an NP says that it's ok.

And even the pharmacist is aware of the NP trend!

 

[Justtocheck]

When I saw people talk about what high percentages of nurses refused the corona vaccine, the inevitable response was ‘they’re worried about fertility!’ But doctors always had a vaccine acceptance rate of over 90%, and I refuse to believe, in an era where most people entering med school are women, that a hospital would have so few female doctors of reproductive age that them refusing the vaccine wouldn’t make a difference in the numbers.

I always imagine that the people afraid of those weird side effects are the same to smoke low rate weed, down home made GHB and do X laced with fentanyl at parties when it's time to get wild.

 

[Bogdandoff]

People in the US pay medical insurance for THIS?

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

There's meat on the NP bone for sure, but this thread is now 50% "all other categories of nurses are dumb sluts", which is a separate thread. There needs to be more NP-specific content for this to make it out of PG.

Maybe a broader doctor wannabe thread? Add in physicians assistants, chiropractors, and naturopaths.

 

[haurchefant]

I keep hearing from the medical industry that there is a nursing shortage and I suppose that's behind the need to get as many bodies into these programs as possible. However the quality of nursing care will continue to drop in America as stupid students are never whipped into shape in public school regarding math and science. Science especially is needed to be a competent medical practitioner but Americans are usually too stupid to understand it, at least in the number of students needed to go on to get medical certifications.

 

[Meat Target]

My mother is a nurse (and a good one), and she can confirm that a ton of nurses are power-hungry. The stories she has told me shows working in a hospital is like being around overgrown high schoolers.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I keep hearing from the medical industry that there is a nursing shortage and I suppose that's behind the need to get as many bodies into these programs as possible. However the quality of nursing care will continue to drop in America as stupid students are never whipped into shape in public school regarding math and science. Science especially is needed to be a competent medical practitioner but Americans are usually too stupid to understand it, at least in the number of students needed to go on to get medical certifications.

It’s also that, back in the day, it was very hard for a woman to become a doctor, or most other professional careers. So smart women who wanted jobs would mostly become nurses or teachers. Now that women can be doctors (or lawyers, engineers, architects, etc.), inherently the quality of nurses will be lower.

 

[T_Holygrail_Jesuschrist 2]

its a good thread

 

[Chongqing]

There's also another strange rivalry that isn't seen unless you are in the industry; nurses and NPs versus veterinary technicians.

In other countries vet techs are called veterinary nurses. They are not called that in the US because nurse unions threw a bitchfit saying the term nurse is protected and that nurses get more training and work harder than vet techs. (In some states this is factually untrue as the requirement to be a registered veterinary technician is insane) There's still ongoing battles to standardize paraveterinary terms across the entire US and nurses are fighting against the term 'veterinary nurse.' I believe three states now use that term.

Ironically most girls that can't cut it in the veterinary field just go to nursing instead.

I will say that veterinary professionals thinking they're medical professionals is very annoying. I kind of see where the nurse unions are coming from on that one.

I do wonder a lot about how much the opinion of nurses and NPs has shifted during the pandemic.

Great thread, @Christopher Robin.

 

[Some JERK]

I went with a friend to see a doctor at an urgent care clinic because she was having some issues. They had a NP examine her. The NP scared the shit out of her by basically saying that if she didn't get to an ER immediately she was probably going to die. The NP even went as far as looking at me and making me promise that I would take her to the ER across the street right away. Obviously I did. We were both really freaked out but I tried to hold it together for her.

We got to the ER and the doctor that examined her told her that she was fine, that her symptoms didn't indicate anything serious, and very diplomatically told us that the NP had no idea WTF they were talking about. The doctor seemed extremely exasperated by the situation, which told me everything I needed to know.

I'll never accept being pawned off on an NP or PA again after that.

 

[Nazz]

There's also another strange rivalry that isn't seen unless you are in the industry; nurses and NPs versus veterinary technicians.

In other countries vet techs are called veterinary nurses. They are not called that in the US because nurse unions threw a bitchfit saying the term nurse is protected and that nurses get more training and work harder than vet techs. (In some states this is factually untrue as the requirement to be a registered veterinary technician is insane) There's still ongoing battles to standardize paraveterinary terms across the entire US and nurses are fighting against the term 'veterinary nurse.' I believe three states now use that term.

Ironically most girls that can't cut it in the veterinary field just go to nursing instead.

Nurses are prettymuch universally hated as clients in the vet world because of their know-it-all, noncompliant tendencies.

I have worked in several practices where certain nurses had to be outright fired as clients because the doctors would give their midlife crisis cat a script and they would promote themselves to the level of DVM and start changing it based off of their ~extensive medical knowledge~. One bitch made her cat lose its eye because she decided that the doses of the cat's glaucoma med was too high and that we didn't need to check its eye pressure that often. Fuckin whoops, I guess.

Nurses fucking love to overstep their skills and I for one am excited to have the brain cancer that they collectively have caused me removed by a Surgical Nurse Practitioner one day

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

I keep hearing from the medical industry that there is a nursing shortage and I suppose that's behind the need to get as many bodies into these programs as possible. However the quality of nursing care will continue to drop in America as stupid students are never whipped into shape in public school regarding math and science. Science especially is needed to be a competent medical practitioner but Americans are usually too stupid to understand it, at least in the number of students needed to go on to get medical certifications.

Like the "academic researcher shortage" it is nothing but a ploy to beg for more immigrants and lock natives out of their own institutions.

 

[artilleryfroth]

Interesting thread. There's a give and take here you'll be familiar with if you've spent a lot of time in a hospital. Nurses often are indeed more proficient than the doctors at things like doing needles and changing dressings, or at least better than the new doctor you're likely to get in that sort of situation. But there's absolutely a poisonous psychological thing about nursing, and I noticed this well over a decade ago. Tl;dr they're cunts.

I can't immediately summon this research, but nurses at all levels are, statistically, prone to bullying. Patients, each other, other staff, all of it. There,s been huge pushes within nursing to curb it, but from what I understood on last reading, it's endemic in a way similar to police work. The position of power and authority over the helpless, combined with the airs of selflessness and scientific education, seems to naturally attract disgusting personalities that enjoy domineering over others and abusing authority.

The difference being that policing as a profession has dealt with that concept for a very long time, while modern nursing is a relatively new and still evolving profession, full of narcissistic bullies who won't admit anything, and is beyond reproach by a society that sees criticizing nurse-nazis as trying to keep women out of STEM. So you get similar situations of 'we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing'.

Obviously there are still plenty of good nurses who do nursing to keep hospitals running, but these are widespread sentiments even within the field, from what I've seen.

Edit: One of many articles avalible on the subject.

Where I live there was a study published about the rates of bullying claims by industry: The top three by far were in teaching, nursing and police. I figure it’s probably two factors: 1) the occupations attract power-hungry assholes, and 2) the number of places you can work are limited, meaning that if your boss or coworker is a prick you’re unlikely to be able to say “fuck it” and leave like the rest of us would. Toxic combination.

 

[Trig.Point]

There's already been a lot of quality posts in this thread, It would be a pity to have it languish in PG or kicked into Spergatory.

Also next time one of us encounter some NP gobbing off on twitter we'll know where to post it.

 

[No. 7 cat]

*replaces your knee with pizza*

Man, whatever works, whatever keeps the sweet dollarinos flowing

 

[Branchland Count]

Good OP and discussion but where's the content?