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Is this guy wearing a wig?
I'm just looking at this pic and wondering if this dude has to shave his hands and fingers. #Justgirlythings
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Is this guy wearing a wig?
I would argue that there is a bit more trauma in being forcefully penetrated than being 'beaten up'. Things involving sexuality in general seem to have weird repercussions on the human psyche. Being raped can horribly alter one's self-perception, especially if they were young or already not terribly well-adjusted by the time it took place.It's basically same as experiencing any other serious form of violence. For example people get beaten up and get over it all the time. Some might get traumatized, either do sensitive personality or the situation managing to really hit home for some reason, but to most it's just one of those bad moments in life. It's not fun or good but ultimately whatever, learn what you can and move on. Getting beaten up repeatedly and/or by people who supposed to protect you other hand can really mess you up. Patterns of violence are worse than singular experiences.
But you can left permanently disabled or in chronic pain. Those results beyond sucking on their own, can mean you can't no longer do your current job, maybe leave you unable to work at all. We all know what inability to support yourself financially can mean both socially and lifestyle wise.Meh, you don't get pregnant or get an STD from being punched in the face.
In some cultures, a rape victim will be pushed to marry her rapist "for family honor".
There is a world of difference from getting beaten up to being raped. And rapes can be extremely violent, especially if the rapist is a sadist or the anger retaliatory rapist, who get either excited by your pain and degradation or enraged when you try to fight back, so therefore increase the violence. Not to mention when someone beats you they aren't always trying to kill you, but with a rape, the threat of death is extremely real and can definitely happen. Whether they kill you because it's part of the thrill to completely control their victim, or they're afraid of you pressing charges against them and getting caught. And there is a possibility of horrible permanent body damage due to rapes, especially if they use foreign objects.It's basically same as experiencing any other serious form of violence. For example people get beaten up and get over it all the time.
Drag queens are overwhelmingly not trans. They use female pronouns and say shit like "I'm a woman!" purely for camp purposes. Even if they get a boner from the sight of themselves in drag, they're still gay men. I don't think they're really relevant to discussions of troonery.What's the consensus here about HSTS? Can they also be autogynophilic?
Within my IRL inner circle, Rupaul's Drag Race is popular (gay people). I hate the show and think it kills my braincells, but I have still unfortunately seen enough of it to know several main players/storylines. So many of these guys show very clearly autogynophilic behaviours. Watch ANY of them on youtube. Trixie Mattel, Katya, Alyssa Edwards, Miz Cracker. When they do a makeup tutorial, they spend 80% of the time staring at themselves posing in the mirror, saying something along the lines of "I'm a REAL WOMAN. Do you ever look at yourself and go uuuuuggghhhhhhh that's a WOMAN" Trixie in particular does this. He is really turned on by himself.
Also, on the show they talk several times about having sex in drag. Katya talks about masturbating to himself in drag/taking sexual photos of himself in drag to masturbate to, etc. 90% of any contestant's perception of a woman (excluding the top 10% with more than two braincells who try to be funny) is "I'm a sexy dirty sluuuuutttt!! I'm going to suck dick because I'm a sluuuuuuutttttty bitch!" Courtney, the "fishy" one who "passes as a bio queen" (imagine a barbie head on a ken body), admitted that he had a "lesbian" threesome with two women - in drag.
There are so many gay guys who are just regular guys. (most of) These drag queens are definitely living their fetish for money.
I'm in no way saying that rape isn't bad or it can't be traumatic. Of course it's bad but I don't think it's that special. I have seen people after fights and especially after getting ganged up on. It can be incredibly brutal and awful, and others are far from automatically understanding or without questions. Their actions also get scrutinized and as do their responses to the situations. Just recently three adult transwomen attacked a teen boy over saying something transphobic and the judge was very lenient and sympathetic to trannies because of the bad words. Witch were "You’re not a woman – you need a fanny to be a woman".There is a world of difference from getting beaten up to being raped. And rapes can be extremely violent, especially if the rapist is a sadist or the anger retaliatory rapist, who get either excited by your pain and degradation or enraged when you try to fight back, so therefore increase the violence. Not to mention when someone beats you they aren't always trying to kill you, but with a rape, the threat of death is extremely real and can definitely happen. Whether they kill you because it's part of the thrill to completely control their victim, or they're afraid of you pressing charges against them and getting caught. And there is a possibility of horrible permanent body damage due to rapes, especially if they use foreign objects.
Rape is not the same thing as being beaten. Trust me, ask anyone, and they'd all say they'd rather take a beating than to be raped. Rape is not trivial, and is not something people should just get over. It's extremely traumatizing, even if it's not particularly violent. And it's even more traumatizing when it's done by a person that you thought you could trust, and someone who you have to see and be around after the rape. And many victims are afraid of speaking out, because of the attitudes of "well you should have been able to fight them off" or "you just need to get over it, it wasn't that bad" or being called an outright liar. They might also not be able to speak out because their rapist is someone in a high position of power, or have been threatened by their rapist if they try to speak out. And every rapist has multiple people who they've raped. They are predators of opportunity, and if they can't find a victim that matches their preference, well, the next person they encounter will have to do, whether that's an old person, child, or maybe even someone of the opposite sex. They really don't care.
And while some victims of rape appear to have gotten over it, they still might have problems that other people can't see. Maybe they never go out at night anymore. Maybe they avoid certain places or don't go out unless they have someone else with them. They're hyper vigilant of their surroundings. They might have a hard time getting close to men or forming intimate relationships. Some might not be able to live alone anymore.
Violence is bad, yes. But sexual violence is on a whole different level than physical violence, whether it happens once, or repeatedly.
Well, I got to give him credit for his bravery. It takes balls to call other people ugly while looking like that.Sorry, I haven't had much luck uploading videos to this site lately. Found this charmer on Twitter. Does anyone know who he is?
We gotta thank Carmen for helping peak trans a ton of black folks a while back:I'm latching on to this in hope of helping us move on from the rape discussion.
I used to watch Drag Race. It's dumb fun, but there's just too much of it now to keep up with. The question of having trannies on the show is an interresting one: it goes to the question of which is better, seeing yourself represented on TV, or hiding from the world how awful you actually are?
Gia Gunn and Carmen Carrera are two drag queens who went full time trans after being on the show. Pictures will show how much better they are at passing than the typical AGP, even though something might still look off about them.
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Anyway, they're both completely insane, and do nothing but bring scorn and controversy to trans visibility. In 2019 they had a huge public fight. I'm telling the story because it shows that they can be crueler to each other than we kiwis could ever hope to be. The fight started because Gia called Carmen a faggot to her face. Then there was some boring backstabbing stuff. Then Carmen released some of Gia's texts. The things they say to each other! This is the final bit of Gia (who's had her tits done but not bottom surgery) texting to Carmen (who's had both).
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If you're interested in seeing two trannies rip each other to shreds while calling each other "love," you can read the full exchange here.
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Your answer is callous and obviously you've never experienced, nor seen how victims of rape look afterwards, nor had anyone close to you experience rape. While it sucks the 19 year old young man got beaten up by three trannies, he could just have easily have ignored them and not said anything them. He, instead, decided he must instead antagonize the trannies. Most people have the common sense of not telling a stranger something that could enrage them (even if it's true) because the potential for them to retaliate is a very real possibility. You wouldn't go up to a black guy, call him a nigger, then expect for him to not have an angry reaction to it.I'm in no way saying that rape isn't bad or it can't be traumatic. Of course it's bad but I don't think it's that special. I have seen people after fights and especially after getting ganged up on. It can be incredibly brutal and awful, and others are far from automatically understanding or without questions. Their actions also get scrutinized and as do their responses to the situations. Just recently three adult transwomen attacked a teen boy over saying something transphobic and the judge was very lenient and sympathetic to trannies because of the bad words. Witch were "You’re not a woman – you need a fanny to be a woman".
Wut??? The first picture is heavily photoshopped and the second guy is obviously male. His body is still MASSIVE compared to a woman's body and his face is obviously male too.Pictures will show how much better they are at passing than the typical AGP,
Carmen has gotten so much plastic surgery to his face and still doesn't pass one bit without five tons of make-up and extremely advantageous angles/lighting/hair.Wut??? The first picture is heavily photoshopped and the second guy is obviously male. His body is still MASSIVE compared to a woman's body and his face is obviously male too.
Better at passing than agps? Nope. They don't pass at all.
I totally agree with you. I think people are more inclined to say they pass better is because they definitely put more effort into. And yes, with tons of makeup, filters, lighting, and angles, they do briefly appear to pass, because we look at the superficial appearance at first glance. But when you take a closer look or see a candid photo of a troon, or see them in real life, even the HSTS ones, the illusion falls apart immediately.Wut??? The first picture is heavily photoshopped and the second guy is obviously male. His body is still MASSIVE compared to a woman's body and his face is obviously male too.
Better at passing than agps? Nope. They don't pass at all.
'Soft message' is bullshit because every message like that sounds harsh.What should a harsh/soft message sound like for parents with a child about to troon?
This is the harsh version.
I know you motherfuckers are reading this thread. If troonage never affected anyone below the age of 18 ...sure, I could live with that. Who cares what people do to themselves once they are of legal age. But don't put young children on hormone blockers. It's that simple. These kids will most likely get sterilized, life-long dependence on hormone prescriptions, lowered IQ, and osteoporosis. Don't do it!
What would the soft message sound like?
Hey, this reminds of some mindblowing tranni happenings I came across.Since "She" has been brought up several times in this thread: Mia's Channel popped up in my history feed.
Same here, the prominent T's I encounter here also appear to be all "Transbians" who came out late, are political (See Sophie Scherts with the Dutch Green party) and often have a partner (ensnared). Likewise Mia's performance looks like a bad exaggeration of how effeminate gay man acts, this does not read female to me at all. It may be my own bias, however with their belligerence and attention-drawing behaviour they only underline their male origin/socialisation.
I tried watching Mia's video, but similar to Coomtrapoints they voice is too much, akin to nails over a chalkboard.
I do not agree with Greer in all regards, but in that interview she had quite a few points that would common ground with most moderates and I do think that quite a bit of mainstreamed feminist thought is counterproductive, even regressive at times and the courting of the T-lobby a foolish move of letting the fox into the hen house. I generally do not dislike Greer, the mainstream feminist are foolish to dismiss her like this IMO.
I do enjoy boiling DoTheDrew's blood, even if it is just to share&care the increase of BP: Family Therapist shares her thoughts on homosexual men's "narrow" wordview of gay sexuality.
So, uh, trans guy, here, which I’m not sure is your target response pool for your question, but does allow me to offer some front-lines feedback as to whether gay cis men will date and/or hook up with trans men, before or without or over the course of medical transition.
*I see this on reddit, but the average guy does not start with "So, uh,...", a few words in and already tripping over female expression patterns. She follows with an essay, where I would have ended with, "No, they do not and if only pay the merest of lipservice in order to extract themselves from an awkward social situation and make a quick exit."*
A few gay cis men are really freaked out by the very idea of a trans guy, and will absolutely not date or hook up with him, on any account, ever. That’s not necessarily because they aren’t attracted to him; it’s more because they’ve learned a single way that being gay is Supposed To Be, and when you’re already the “wrong kind” of sexual, the idea that you might be the wrong “wrong kind” of sexual can feel that much less tolerable. These guys, unfortunately, might be kind of mean—or they might just shut down, or try very hard to be very nice, but in all the worst possible ways. It’s a them-thing, not a trans-guy-in-question thing.
*Freaked out? I would argue more extremely annoyed, that they got catfished by an Aiden, who will A) turn into a blubbering mess the second she smells rejections and B) may very well fuck you over by poisining the well if she recognizes you from the same local scene with passive-aggresive media screeds. Yes, we will shut IT down, as most guys will not take this shit. COPE#1 She copes by placing the blame on our narrow view of SEXUALITY, again showing how they will interchangably use Gender/Sex, because to them it is the same, entirely socially constructed.*
Some gay cis men are attracted specifically and exclusively to male-normative primary and secondary sex characteristics, in a configuration that wouldn’t be present for a trans guy who hadn’t been on hormones and had multiple surgeries. Those guys won’t be on the table for the protagonist of your question—and while they might find numerous hypothetical or future iterations of him attractive, they also might not. Oh, well. None of us were ever going to turn everyone on.
*Some? How about all of them? Perhaps a handmaiden here or there, but I sincerely doubt that when push comes to shove they will touch you. The others are chasers bisexual or straight who know that you are desperate easy targets. Male-normative seems very vague, as I would hazard that you are angling at a gay male standard, but hey it does sound smart, so fuck it! COPE#2 "and while they might find numerous hypothetical or future iterations of him attractive, they also might not. Oh, well. None of us were ever going to turn everyone on" Perhaps in very rare circumstances the fantasy might be erotic enough for the sake of novelty, otherwise NOT GONNA HAPPENS love! Gotta love that last part, they gotta count themselves lucky if they are going to turn anyone on.*
Some gay cis men assume—right along with most of everyone else, to be fair—that they’re attracted to a particular slate of male-normative primary and secondary sex characteristics, which line up neatly with the gender identity and gendered history also shared (more or less) by cis men… until they encounter a reason to question that. And then they find that some of those things are really central in their attractions, but others aren’t. Or—more often than I had expected—that they’re less drawn to specifically male embodiment, at all, than to particular kinds of masculine presentation and/or self-understanding.
*Again, some? There is no assumption, it is our standard wiring and that shit ain't changing post-partum, but thank you world for bringing us conversion rhetoric from inside the house! A reason the question: you mean annoying manlets causing a scene and in female fashion gossiping your reputation into the dirt if you do not mindelessly echo affirmation?
Yeah, we are drawn to a male body and yeah some like em more feminine and quite a few prefers a guys guy who enjoys a dick. Which you will never have or delude yourself that your laughable mimicry is an acceptable substitute*
Relatively few people really talk about it, I suspect because they, themselves, don’t always know what to make of it—but there have always been gay men who will bottom for a lesbian with a strap-on—or factory-standard penis—and there have always been lesbians who are happy to oblige. We don’t have a terribly refined spectrum of consensus language around sexuality, is the thing. So we’ve ended up with this mish-mash of sexual role preferences, and gender-inflected attraction, and bodily preferences, and even contextually socially acceptable gendered presentations in ourselves, that all hide in the category “gay,” and that we’ve mostly taken for granted all line up in precise and readily-identifiable symmetry. Sometimes, though, they just… don’t. I think that’s good news; certainly, it’s interesting news. But it does make it hard to predict how any given person will respond, based on a one-word description of their sexuality.
* "...there have always been gay men who will bottom for a lesbian with a strap-on" Oh really? Would love to meet em. Most guys I met enjoy toys, but I only know em preferring getting pegged by the real thing over a fucking dildo, also usually both guys also enjoy pleasuring the other, a hunk of plastic does not feel much. Also LMAO at "factory-standard penis". These people really do view the entire Human Body like a fucking PC you can strip for parts."*
Which brings me to… some cis gay guys have, in fact, thought all of this out, and already know thet they’re drawn to some aspect/s of manhood or masculinity that aren’t exclusive to male-normative embodiment. They’re a little thinner on the ground, for the same reasons that people of any gender and sexuality who’ve thought that deeply about sex and gender are thinner on the ground. But they exist.
*As I already pointed out, most of us figure out pretty quickly what we like. It does not include you, beyond platonic relations Go Home AIDEN.*
Anyway, my short answer for you is: sure. My experience, to date, strongly confirms that some gay cis men will date—and be happily and effectively sexually active with—a trans guy who hasn’t been on hormones or had surgeries. And some is as good as it gets, regardless of gendered history and approach to transition. Some gay cis men will also date a trans guy who has been on hormones, but not had any surgeries. Hilariously enough, see also my final couple of paragraphs, I haven’t actually been with a cis guy, in any sense, since having chest surgery—but I presume, and in a few cases have been made aware that they wouldn’t be any less interested than previously, lol.
*The best part! Yes, Gays do want us, even if I have nothing to present that I could persuade you with! BUUUUUUUUUUUUTTT*
(In case this is a personal question—or on the off-chance that it’s not, and that you intended to include gay trans men in the population you were asking about—I’m going to add: with few, though notable, exceptions, I’ve been happier in relationship with other trans guys, than with cis guys. Like, commonality of experience is nice, but also. Less weirdness and angst about bodies—and I used to say it with a lot less confidence and a very considerable edge of defensiveness, but, man. With the benefit of a few more years of experience, and a little more practice not depending on other people’s sexual attraction to validate my gender? There really is a lot to be said for a dick that is size-variable; always hard, for as long as you want it to be; and can be stashed politely in a box under the bed, when it would get in the way. I wouldn’t turn down a guy with a factory-standard or surgically-built dick, on principle—there are things that are nice about those, too—but if we’re talking genital preference, my top pick is a rainbow pour of dual-density silicone.
*I pretty much date other AIDENS for these reasons (insert anything, if only to hide the fact to myself to no honest and true FAG wants my "fronthole" and mishshapen pectoral region) YES I AM VERY HAPPY WITH MY TOTALLY MANLY MAN OF AN AIDEN! ALSO DILDO'S ARE WAY BETTER THAN THOSE STUPID "FACTORY-STANDARD PENISSES"*![]()
I’d also usually rather date self-identified bi guys, than gay guys. This isn’t because of the fucked-up thing cis people sometimes like to say about “well, YEAH, because YOU’RE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.” It’s because bi guys have, for the most part, already dealt with whatever internalized weirdness they might once have had about not being “gay enough” or “straight enough”. That improves the odds that they aren’t going to be weird and stiff and panicky with the trans guy who is flirting with them; and that makes everyone’s evening better.)
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The Hot Aiden that we Gay Guys cannot get
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Faggots hate each other. And in other news, neither of them pass without makeup or angles.I'm latching on to this in hope of helping us move on from the rape discussion.
I used to watch Drag Race. It's dumb fun, but there's just too much of it now to keep up with. The question of having trannies on the show is an interresting one: it goes to the question of which is better, seeing yourself represented on TV, or hiding from the world how awful you actually are?
Gia Gunn and Carmen Carrera are two drag queens who went full time trans after being on the show. Pictures will show how much better they are at passing than the typical AGP, even though something might still look off about them.
View attachment 1905699View attachment 1905700
Anyway, they're both completely insane, and do nothing but bring scorn and controversy to trans visibility. In 2019 they had a huge public fight. I'm telling the story because it shows that they can be crueler to each other than we kiwis could ever hope to be. The fight started because Gia called Carmen a faggot to her face. Then there was some boring backstabbing stuff. Then Carmen released some of Gia's texts. The things they say to each other! This is the final bit of Gia (who's had her tits done but not bottom surgery) texting to Carmen (who's had both).
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If you're interested in seeing two trannies rip each other to shreds while calling each other "love," you can read the full exchange here.
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"Gay men too immature to eat pussy" .. do they not realize that rimming and analingus is a thing? Yeah sure some women don't put any effort into hygiene but come on now. On a good day their sex involves someone's ass getting slammed, you're going to lose the game of grossout chicken.That B.S. about gay men being too "immature" to eat pussy reminds me of an early 20th century theory of homosexuality.
I would argue that there is a bit more trauma in being forcefully penetrated than being 'beaten up'. Things involving sexuality in general seem to have weird repercussions on the human psyche. Being raped can horribly alter one's self-perception, especially if they were young or already not terribly well-adjusted by the time it took place.
That being said, I agree that treating rape and the single most terrible fate to possibly befall someone probably isn't all that helpful. It's a despicable act done by complete scumbags, but victims can often recover live healthy and fulfilling lives afterwards. In some ways I think some of the psychological damage of rape is somewhat reinforced by the social messaging around how awful said psychological damage is and how if you're raped your basically guaranteed to be mentally scarred for the rest of your life.
Funnily enough trannies do think gay men wanting butt stuff but finding vaginas gross to be hypocritical."Gay men too immature to eat pussy" .. do they not realize that rimming and analingus is a thing? Yeah sure some women don't put any effort into hygiene but come on now. On a good day their sex involves someone's ass getting slammed, you're going to lose the game of grossout chicken.
Maybe they should put some thought into why someone who's usually alright with licking an ass doesn't want to touch their 'vaginas'. A pointless thought, I know. Sense does not play into decision making.Funnily enough trannies do think gay men wanting butt stuff but finding vaginas gross to be hypocritical.
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