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-crosspost from the Kiwis Kissed by Corona thread-

I have, at some point, been a coofer.
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If I had it within the last 6 months, then it was either 1) completely asymptomatic save for maybe a runny nose on a colder week or 2) had a weak viral sore throat (with mild linear ulcers), but this would mean that I got not one but two false negative test results and never presented a fever.
If it was earlier than the last 6 months, then it was probably from early January where I caught a dry cough with heavy exhaustion for a few days, or again sometime completely asymptomatic.

This disease, so fucking deadly and so fucking life-scarring that I didn't even know I had it.
Truly, Smallpox & Typhoid have nothing on this horrible virus.
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Which is more likely to kill me? A faulty experimental vaccine, or the mega-super-death plague that will result from everyone else getting a faulty experimental vaccine?

only if you assume it's actually a vaccine and not suger water.
I've already said months ago easiest "way out" of this whole shitshow would be a magic vaccine, which will magically reduce the numbers reported (because those are always legit) and everybody can let out a sigh of relief "corona is finally defeated!", first of all the politicians who now have a valid excuse to end all the lockdowns and everybody can move on, as @Belial mentioned. then the population for which this it's the holy grail to end the covids of all covids.

think about it, who really needs the vaccine? if we go with corona is a nothingburger, why would it require such a massive rollout and spectacle? the only ones who do are politicians, and companies always like to make an extra buck (especially when you can do it without spending much on R&D). added bonus: no one can sue you for shit when nothing happens anyway (in places where the lawmakers didn't jump to their defense). how would you prove it to begin with? can you imagine anyone looking into it and reporting the miracle cure isn't really a cure - which is already hard enough? and let's assume that person is actually willing to endure the blow back it would cause him personally, who would believe him? that's just some random dude, the media told everyone corona is airbone ebola, they wouldn't lie, would they? no, he's just a lunatic sceptic and covid denier who doesn't care about grandma.

I know this is pretty much /x/ tier, but reality really is that mundane and the setup couldn't be more perfect. politicians fucked up hard and need a scapegoat, else it's their career, legacy and maybe even life on the line (depending how angry some people will get), can't have anyone question the narrative so far. everybody wants a vaccine, so why not give them one? curing corona was never it's purpose anyway.


so, how did the tards eat the pizza with the mask on? oh wait, they took them off, did they want to kill their waiter and anyone else?!?!?!

I award dave 1 star.
 
This guy needs his ass kicked, in Barbie horse adventures

Remember when women you don't know were to be treated with respect?

It's crazy how dudes in supermarkets/superstores are flipping shit at these chicks. I'm surprised one of these dudes hasn't swung yet with the way they're acting. Christ.
This is quite literally the same behavior that "Asians" or "youth" do in certain neighborhoods when they see a woman not wearing the appropriate face covering. It's fascinating to see behavior like this come out of modern Western culture but it shouldn't be surprising since shit like this is what happens when someone violates a religious-mandated dress code in front of a religious fanatic.
 
German breweries just had to dispose of a LOT of beer since pubs and restaurants are continuously closed and have been returning beer kegs, which are now going bad.
I'm expecting the violent revolution to start any day now. Germans are perpetually cucked, but having to pour beer down the drain is absolutely inacceptable.
Also, lockdown probably prolonged until 14th of March. Branch Covidians complain about the lockdown not being hard enough, and that that's the reason for the long duration of the lockdown.

/edit: There's another thing I don't get about the current discussions. So the politicians are currently afraid of mutant strains that are more contagious, and journos are posting horror pictures of incidence values going through the roof in May at the current levels of restrictions. What I don't get is, how the hell is that mutant strain so much more contagious that it magically ignores all the masks and distances? I mean, it's obvious that the masks don't really do anything, but this is such obvious bullshit that not even journos could post it, right?
Also, super high incidences in May, and basically apocalypse in summer. That's coming from our top virologists/Branch Covidian Priests, so they should know how the virus works and that they don't spread too well in warmer weather? Are we supposed to just forget that, or is that new magic mutant strain also somehow able to transmit with new methods?
I suspect the answer is just "It's bullshit. All of it."
 
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I know this is pretty much /x/ tier, but reality really is that mundane and the setup couldn't be more perfect. politicians fucked up hard and need a scapegoat, else it's their career, legacy and maybe even life on the line (depending how angry some people will get), can't have anyone question the narrative so far. everybody wants a vaccine, so why not give them one? curing corona was never it's purpose anyway.
I'm pretty sure the vaccine does exist, BUT, I think the rest of what you say here is spot on. The politicians found a crisis that they could milk for a year or two, just enough to get their enemies in the west (the great Populist Surge (TM) in Europe and America) beat, and now as you say, they created an artificial demand for something that will, in their minds, keep people voting for them for a generation.
 
Read and article today about the WHO team "investigating the origins of the virus in Wuhan."

Literally saying, "it's unlikely it leaked from the lab, so there's no need to investigate that."

No published evidence of the virus being studied or known about before the pandemic. Somehow this proves it wasn't being studied?

Virus didn't jump straight from bats or pangolins. There was an intermediate stage which they are investigating.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't gain-of-function research count as an intermediate stage?

May have not come from China. Possibly travelled there on frozen food.

So a virus that comes from bats in China, left China, mutated to infect humans, somehow got on frozen food, came back to China and infected people. With out starting a pandemic where it actually mutated.

They are looking into this, but are not going to bother to investigate if it leaked from the lab next door to where the outbreak started. A lab that studies bat carona viruses. Where the lab could 100% prove if it didn't leak. As they would know the viruses they were studying.

So it just shows, the whole investigation is a sham. The intermediate stage will never be identified.

Even if we assume the lab would have destroyed all records. That in itself would be evidence if you looked into their records. Hence why they're ruling it out, won't investigate.
 
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Read and article today about the WHO team "investigating the origins of the virus in Wuhan."

Literally saying, "it's unlikely it leaked from the lab, so there's no need to investigate that."

No published evidence of the virus being studied or known about before the pandemic. Somehow this proves it wasn't being studied?

Virus didn't jump straight from bats or pangolins. There was an intermediate state which they are linvestigating.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't gain-of-function research count as an intermediate stage?

May have not come from China. Possibly travelled there on frozen food.

So a virus that comes from bats in China, left China, mutated to infect humans, somehow got on frozen food, came back to China and infected people. With out starting a pandemic where it actually mutated.

They are looking into this, but are not going to bother to investigate if it leaked from the lab next door to where the outbreak started. A lab that studies bat carona viruses. Where the lab could 100% prove if it didn't leak. As they would know the viruses they were studying.

So it just shows, the whole investigation is a sham. The intermediate stage will never be identified.

Even if we assume the lab would have destroyed all records. That in itself would be evidence if you looked into their records. Hence why they're ruling it out, won't investigate.

Because as the WHO figured out early on, if they investigate CHINA NUMBAH WON too hard, Pooh will shut them out.
 
I know this is pretty much /x/ tier, but reality really is that mundane and the setup couldn't be more perfect.

I was thinking about this and how it sounds like it'd make a good metal gear plot a few days ago. One other small bit I noticed was the temperature consideration in the case of the pfizer vaccine: if the vaccine needs to be kept sub-zero, doesn't that provide a whole lot of plausible deniability if someone runs off with a couple of samples and analyzes them or an entire batch winds up being ineffective? It's a pretty airtight cover to be able to say there's no detectable medicine when the medicine self-destructs into amino acids when exposed to room temperature for a few hours.
 
only if you assume it's actually a vaccine and not suger water.
I've already said months ago easiest "way out" of this whole shitshow would be a magic vaccine, which will magically reduce the numbers reported (because those are always legit) and everybody can let out a sigh of relief "corona is finally defeated!", first of all the politicians who now have a valid excuse to end all the lockdowns and everybody can move on, as @Belial mentioned. then the population for which this it's the holy grail to end the covids of all covids.

think about it, who really needs the vaccine? if we go with corona is a nothingburger, why would it require such a massive rollout and spectacle? the only ones who do are politicians, and companies always like to make an extra buck (especially when you can do it without spending much on R&D). added bonus: no one can sue you for shit when nothing happens anyway (in places where the lawmakers didn't jump to their defense). how would you prove it to begin with? can you imagine anyone looking into it and reporting the miracle cure isn't really a cure - which is already hard enough? and let's assume that person is actually willing to endure the blow back it would cause him personally, who would believe him? that's just some random dude, the media told everyone corona is airbone ebola, they wouldn't lie, would they? no, he's just a lunatic sceptic and covid denier who doesn't care about grandma.

I know this is pretty much /x/ tier, but reality really is that mundane and the setup couldn't be more perfect. politicians fucked up hard and need a scapegoat, else it's their career, legacy and maybe even life on the line (depending how angry some people will get), can't have anyone question the narrative so far. everybody wants a vaccine, so why not give them one? curing corona was never it's purpose anyway.



so, how did the tards eat the pizza with the mask on? oh wait, they took them off, did they want to kill their waiter and anyone else?!?!?!

I award dave 1 star.
Infections are falling off a cliff, coincidentally this trend downwards in both Europe and the US happened just after Biden's inauguration.

The vaccines are real but of dubious effectiveness and have not been tested properly. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the celebs and politicians making public displays of being vaccinated were being injected with saline.

It's well known that the biggest childhood vaccination refusniks are tech execs and Hollywood actors.
If 83 year olds with type 2 beetus are surviving it without so much as a lingering cough then the people who are actually dieing are either old or unhealthy as fuck.
The South African and UK strains have been reported to be more infectious. The likeliest reason that they're more infectious is because they're not making people as sick. More benign viral strains have a higher R0 because people will continue to do things like eat out, go to work and shop if they're only mildly unwell as opposed to being laid up or in hospital. More human interaction more spread. This is good news and is to be expected as in the normal course of events viruses tend to mutate to become more benign. It's not being reported that way. Likely because they don't want anything to get in the way of the vaccination roll outs. The talk about the new strains being aerosol spread is fucking outright retarded.
I haven't seen anyone mention this article on Marek's disease in chickens:


It's a quick read, but the gist of it is basically there was this chicken virus back in the day that affected chickens, they made a vaccine for it, but, get this, it doesn't protect the chickens entirely from the disease just the bad symptoms of it. The chickens can still pass Mareks along, to unvaccinated birds. What this did, is allowed the Mareks to become more deadly, by allowing the birds to survive the more lethal Mareks strains. Usually a virus gets weaker over time, and blends into the background. Before the vaccine, Mareks never really killed chickens, but fast forward a decade, and now any bird that isn't vaccinated will basically die. This makes getting the vaccine mandatory, any chicken that doesn't is a goner.

Now, I'm sorry, does this sound familiar to anyone else about what people are saying about the covid vaccine? What will this do in a decade to covid? Currently covid is blurring into the virus background, as nature commands. If the covid vaccine is "leaky", how does that change our outlook a decade from now? Would it make thing's worse?
The problems with non sterilizing vaccines are well known and have been documented comprehensively in the literature. It's why we generally never, ever use them (with the Polio vaccine being an exception but only because Polio has been wiped out in western nations).

The hope is that the coof bug will mutate slowly enough that we can continually tweak the vaccines and protect the fatties and nursing home patients from the emergence of a resistant strain. That does nothing to protect the non vaccinated however. The virus will still circulate among those who've had their shots, and the biggest worry is that if a more deadly strain does emerge it's R0 will be much higher as the vaccinated won't get as unwell and will circulate it. So far children have been completely unaffected by Covid, if a strain ends up developing that makes children sick because of these mRNA vaccines then fuck all of them.
 
I haven't seen anyone mention this article on Marek's disease in chickens:


It's a quick read, but the gist of it is basically there was this chicken virus back in the day that affected chickens, they made a vaccine for it, but, get this, it doesn't protect the chickens entirely from the disease just the bad symptoms of it. The chickens can still pass Mareks along, to unvaccinated birds. What this did, is allowed the Mareks to become more deadly, by allowing the birds to survive the more lethal Mareks strains. Usually a virus gets weaker over time, and blends into the background. Before the vaccine, Mareks never really killed chickens, but fast forward a decade, and now any bird that isn't vaccinated will basically die. This makes getting the vaccine mandatory, any chicken that doesn't is a goner.

Now, I'm sorry, does this sound familiar to anyone else about what people are saying about the covid vaccine? What will this do in a decade to covid? Currently covid is blurring into the virus background, as nature commands. If the covid vaccine is "leaky", how does that change our outlook a decade from now? Would it make thing's worse?

I started saying something along these lines about a month ago when I realised this outcome but it's only when reading your post that it suddenly and belatedly hit me - This is a feature, not a bug. At least to the vaccine manufacturers.

Big Pharma is greedy as Hell and this sometimes leads them to behave in stupid ways. But they are not stupid. They must have realised this early on. Is the reason they sounded no alarm simply because it would interfere with short-term profits? Well that would actually be the best case scenario. Because the more likely scenario is that they see a world where there's a permanently circulating virus deadly to anyone unvaccinated as the best possible outcome. Imagine getting that vaccine money for every person every year forever. They've basically created a tax on life at that point.

Anyone want to bet on Big Pharma being too moral to turn that down? No, didn't think so.
 
Because the more likely scenario is that they see a world where there's a permanently circulating virus deadly to anyone unvaccinated as the best possible outcome.

I think you're halfway on point. Feels like the plan from Big Pharma's point of view was to roll out a quick vaccine first and make lots of dosh, then roll out a proper one in a year or so that operates in ways more aligned with what @Bosmadden is saying, and make even more dosh. I think there is some truth to people screaming about "coof will be with us until Armageddon!!!", in that it will have plenty of time and opportunities to mutate so annual booster shots might be a thing, but at that point it will literally be like the flu and I'll obnoxiously tell everyone that when the time comes.

Omega AIDS version of coof is not desirable to Big Pharma. Can't pay cash if you're dead.
 
I think you're halfway on point. Feels like the plan from Big Pharma's point of view was to roll out a quick vaccine first and make lots of dosh, then roll out a proper one in a year or so that operates in ways more aligned with what @Bosmadden is saying, and make even more dosh. I think there is some truth to people screaming about "coof will be with us until Armageddon!!!", in that it will have plenty of time and opportunities to mutate so annual booster shots might be a thing, but at that point it will literally be like the flu and I'll obnoxiously tell everyone that when the time comes.

Omega AIDS version of coof is not desirable to Big Pharma. Can't pay cash if you're dead.
Maybe. They'll be constantly monitoring mutations to see if they need to tweak the 'vaccines'.

There's risk to this as well. If we stop thinking of them as vaccines, because they're really not, and start thinking of them as gene therapies to lessen symptoms when infected (which is what they are) then you'll see the dangers.

Receiving multiple shots to make your body replicate a particular protein in the hope that you'll produce Covid antibodies, potentially multiple times a year, is not something I'm going to do. The more times they do this the more likely it is that there will be unforeseen reactions.
 
You know what, let the double mask be pushed. Let the blue states suffer more, the longer this goes on the easier it will be to flip states red in ‘22.

as the Costco Carl’s look more like stasi informants, you think even the most tolerant people won’t snap when being shamed to wear two masks?

Fucking stupid clown world, I can’t wait to see the idea being floated because Desantis won’t wear a mask Movieblob Has to wear two.
 
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