American Impeachment/25th Amendment Watch 2021 - If, at first, you don't convict, try, try again

[Random Internet Person]

Not practically, no. Most voters focus on party, because that offers consistency in message and a big financial reach via donor networks. And the donors too want parties, because they care about sweetheart deals and something for something that a party might have provided in the past. A new party is unknown, unpredictable, possibly extremist. Even more likely, idealistic and naive.

If a third party forms and sticks around, it plays spoiler for a decade or two then just becomes part of a coalition government where it never gets what it wants but can do nothing but support its master. And even more likely, it’s just called “nazi” and dies swiftly.

Just look at Europe and its fake multiparty system for evidence of all this. Either the populist republicans wears the GOP’s skin like a suit, or the GOP will stick its hand up the populists’ collective ass and use it as a puppet. Third party is simple not viable. Ever.

Sounds like the future is bleak. And the future the left has aimed for is inevitable. Either utopia or China domination. Either way, MAGA ends up dead or in reeducation camps. The only question is what's going to be learned.

 

[DeadFish]

Double posting faggot!

Not telling anyone to do something stupid like larp GTA. Donate to a church. Stop shopping at Walmart. Buy crypto.

Not practically, no. Most voters focus on party, because that offers consistency in message and a big financial reach via donor networks. And the donors too want parties, because they care about sweetheart deals and something for something that a party might have provided in the past. A new party is unknown, unpredictable, possibly extremist. Even more likely, idealistic and naive.

If a third party forms and sticks around, it plays spoiler for a decade or two then just becomes part of a coalition government where it never gets what it wants but can do nothing but support its master. And even more likely, it’s just called “nazi” and dies swiftly.

Just look at Europe and its fake multiparty system for evidence of all this. Either the populist republicans wears the GOP’s skin like a suit, or the GOP will stick its hand up the populists’ collective ass and use it as a puppet. Third party is simple not viable. Ever.

You have to redefine what a third party is so you can make it successful.

Facebook is a thirs party. Goldman Sachs is a third party. China is a third party.

The most successful third parties are bussineses or non party orgs.

Ten years ago I would advocate for a sort of vampiric economic type party. Basically very creatively raise lots of funds for a war chest.
Lobby. Get bailouts. Use bailouts to hire activists amongst ex police and military. Also use bailouts to lobby more. Use bought and paid for politicans to grant jobs to activists. Have activists transfer resources to a private wealth fare system. Also use agents to deny anyone who isnt part of the party. Rinse repeat.

This approach would determine the political philosophy. Basically you with the third party? We take care of you. If not? Tough luck.

Now? I would advocate for covert and De facto seperatist movements.

Sounds like the future is bleak. And the future the left has aimed for is inevitable. Either utopia or China domination. Either way, MAFA ends up dead or in reeducation camps. The only question is what's going to be learned.

You need a hobby. May I suggest painting?

 

[Bosmadden]

Not practically, no. Most voters focus on party, because that offers consistency in message and a big financial reach via donor networks. And the donors too want parties, because they care about sweetheart deals and something for something that a party might have provided in the past. A new party is unknown, unpredictable, possibly extremist. Even more likely, idealistic and naive.

If a third party forms and sticks around, it plays spoiler for a decade or two then just becomes part of a coalition government where it never gets what it wants but can do nothing but support its master. And even more likely, it’s just called “nazi” and dies swiftly.

Just look at Europe and its fake multiparty system for evidence of all this. Either the populist republicans wears the GOP’s skin like a suit, or the GOP will stick its hand up the populists’ collective ass and use it as a puppet. Third party is simple not viable. Ever.

There's multiple examples of the establishment parties flipping ideologically over time. Famously the GOP used to be the progressive party, the party of the blacks and Yankee liberals, that changed with FDR and the new deal and went entirely 180 after Johnson.

In Europe the center right "Christian" democrats are now full bore globohomo combined with dick sucking multinationals and pretending it's them favoring a mixed market economic model.

Right now any party that runs culturally right but economically left would sweep the board. Voters are never, ever given the option when they vote.

Trump is the most obvious example of that branding. If he'd been slightly less retarded on Twitter and offered say single payer health care he'd have won in a landslide, Covid and voter fraud be damned. Instead he actually served as a down the line GOPe with his only singular achievement being tax cuts which disproportionately benefited the rich.

The Republican establishment doesn't want to be taken over by the populist nationalists, but as they're 80% of GOP voters the smart ones understand the only way they get back into government is to at least pay them lip service.

So yes I think there's a good chance the GOP flips again, especially as their boomer leadership retires or dies off.

 

[HumanHive]

Facebook is a thirs party. Goldman Sachs is a third party. China is a third party.

The most successful third parties are bussineses or non party orgs.

This is me rating you dumb. A third party is any outsider to the political mainstream parties, which tend to be dualistic because humans tend to think in such terms. There’s your definition

“Third parties” as in “third party arbitrator” or “killed by a third party” are not what we are talking about. You’re conflating the uses of the term.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

MAFA ends up dead or in reeducation camps. The only question is what's going to be learned.

Florida, Texas and South Dakota is the only safe spots of the maga Holocaust.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

I think one of the funniest things about this impeachment is nobody actually gives a fuck, people have just tuned the fuck out mentally about it. We have all filed it into 'who fucking cares' because the outcome was predestined from the moment that they couldn't convince most of the GOP this was a constitutional impeachment

All the GOP guys who vote no have to say is 'I'm not going to vote to convict someone in what I believe is an unconstitutional proceeding'

Thats it. There is no 'gotcha' for the dems here.

Besides, this whole trying to bar trump from future office just isn't interesting or exciting, it looks petty and political and stupid, and most people really can't give two shits about it.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Republicans are slated to win the midterms so it's going to be interesting of the maga side of republicans will file articles of impeachment against the aocs/omars and eventually kamala.

 

[X Prime]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

If that line is true, it's a great zinger.

Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.

Trump was clearly talking to a political hack and knew it.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I think one of the funniest things about this impeachment is nobody actually gives a fuck, people have just tuned the fuck out mentally about it. We have all filed it into 'who fucking cares' because the outcome was predestined from the moment that they couldn't convince most of the GOP this was a constitutional impeachment

All the GOP guys who vote no have to say is 'I'm not going to vote to convict someone in what I believe is an unconstitutional proceeding'

Thats it. There is no 'gotcha' for the dems here.

Besides, this whole trying to bar trump from future office just isn't interesting or exciting, it looks petty and political and stupid, and most people really can't give two shits about it.

You underestimate the Democrats. They REALLY want the head on a pike for all tey've done in the fight against Trump. After this, Trump is going to be hit with so many legal challenges, you'll wonder if they're trying to trigger a health crisis that could kill him because of the stress.

Republicans are slated to win the midterms so it's going to be interesting of the maga side of republicans will file articles of impeachment against the aocs/omars and eventually kamala.

Assuming tat the Democrats don't solidify and refine the things that happened in the 2020 election. And then there's the part where they work to make it easier for them to create places like Illinois and Atlanta all over the country, and people like Stacy Abrams to work out some plan in every city and every state.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

The most pathetic attempts I've seen twitter try and fail to do is say democrats didn't incite an insurrection despite them using the word fight. The best part is people in the replies outright owning them

 

[Bosmadden]

You underestimate the Democrats. They REALLY want the head on a pike for all tey've done in the fight against Trump. After this, Trump is going to be hit with so many legal challenges, you'll wonder if they're trying to trigger a health crisis that could kill him because of the stress.

Assuming tat the Democrats don't solidify and refine the things that happened in the 2020 election. And then there's the part where they work to make it easier for them to create places like Illinois and Atlanta all over the country, and people like Stacy Abrams to work out some plan in every city and every state.

Based Rosie gets it

 

[Slimy Time]

The most pathetic attempts I've seen twitter try and fail to do is say democrats didn't incite an insurrection despite them using the word fight. The best part is people in the replies outright owning them

Gotta give us some hot takes to laugh at my man. Can't just say this and not give us something.

 

[Titos]

Based Rosie gets it

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That confused the hell out of me for a second, then I realized I was mixing her up with Alyssa Milano and remembered she was on Brett Easton-Ellis' podcast. Always nice to see a celebrity who isn't completely braindead, though she did defend a pedo at one point if I remember.

 

[ZeroCool]

It's funny to see all the Trumptards in Court claiming that they were deceived by Trump and that they now know better.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

There's multiple examples of the establishment parties flipping ideologically over time. Famously the GOP used to be the progressive party, the party of the blacks and Yankee liberals, that changed with FDR and the new deal and went entirely 180 after Johnson.

In Europe the center right "Christian" democrats are now full bore globohomo combined with dick sucking multinationals and pretending it's them favoring a mixed market economic model.

Right now any party that runs culturally right but economically left would sweep the board. Voters are never, ever given the option when they vote.

Trump is the most obvious example of that branding. If he'd been slightly less retarded on Twitter and offered say single payer health care he'd have won in a landslide, Covid and voter fraud be damned. Instead he actually served as a down the line GOPe with his only singular achievement being tax cuts which disproportionately benefited the rich.

The Republican establishment doesn't want to be taken over by the populist nationalists, but as they're 80% of GOP voters the smart ones understand the only way they get back into government is to at least pay them lip service.

So yes I think there's a good chance the GOP flips again, especially as their boomer leadership retires or dies off.

I agree that a socially conservative and fiscally moderate party would dominate (the Polish and Hungarian governments are basically this, so much for "Europe's fake multi party system"), but Trump wasn't that. Aside from a few things like reducing insulin prices Trump still cut taxes while spending a lot and didn't support any expanding of public health coverage. The GOP has to go for the national populists if they want to go anywhere since neoconservatism is dead, and they will end up doing that in a realignment similar to what happened around Nixon's Southern Strategy. Romney and McConnell are both well over 70 and won't be around much longer.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Based Rosie gets it

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Wow, she has changed...

 

[soy_king]

Wow, she has changed...

I think she probably got a bit of a blackpill when her former co-star Alyssa Milano threw her and #MeToo under the bus in order to elect the Geriatric in Chief

 

[Considered HARMful]

I agree that a socially conservative and fiscally moderate party would dominate (the Polish and Hungarian governments are basically this, so much for "Europe's fake multi party system")

What are you smoking, the Polish government is as far from fiscally moderate as possible. They're on a spending and taxing (to pay for that spending, yeah, good fucking luck) spree.

 

[Terrifik]

vote is tommorow Saturaday Be there or be square I think in afternoon.

got to have 24 news coverage because MJ shorted them last time on news.

I am sorry the clown show was such a win for trump that we reached evidence part people skip in house & senate using that keep the clown show going.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Republicans are slated to win the midterms so it's going to be interesting of the maga side of republicans will file articles of impeachment against the aocs/omars and eventually kamala.

On what basis would they win the midterms when everything that was done in 2020 was done without any consequence?