I think the rad fems are onto something when they talk about internalized misogyny and some women feeling confined or overly sexualized. If this was the 70s she could have joined a feminist commune and frolicked in the woods with her tits out with the other dykes.
Honest question to women here because I don't understand FTMs in this....did you ever feel the need to walk around in public topless? I have never felt that way, not do I feel 'oppressed' by society telling me not to do that. I don't understand why FTMs are so obsessed with it. I could understand if they refused to wear a bra because they can be uncomfortable but going topless in the woods....what?
Women, do you ever think about accidentally interacting with a troon irl? From the shit I've witnessed here, on twitter, and tumblr these men clearly hate women (esp. attractive women).
My line of work keeps me away from them at the moment, corona too.
I've met trans people while working the cash register, never anything other than brief friendliness towards each other & have a good day. My friends and family are unlikely to troon out, at least the men. I told deep thought about my antifa female to nonbinary (but starting t for some reason), but she's not the type of troon you're talking about and more lost soul type. The most I worry about is meeting friend of friends, ie, someone my friend knows and I meet them on accident. I'm a polite person, but I know how to say no firmly to anyone who insist on hanging with me for the sake of my gender and or sexuality. If I meet a troon and the troon acts weird, I know my true friends will understand if I distance myself from them. If I meet a troon and my friend is upset for how I act, we're either going to have a long talk about gender or a short friendship after that.
My internet life is more likely to get troons crawling over it - I'm in hobbyist game circles and they have a lot of lbgt overlap, including trans people. While I personally am around some nice non-troon transgender people, I know I might meet a programming socks dickhead one of these days and do not look forward to having to play nice with them if they're openly fetishistic.
What a fucking waste of life. 11 years working on trying to look like something you're not. Could have had fun, learnt new things, built a career, actually had something going for you. But no. 11 years of your life (and more to come) spent feeding your own delusions and obsessing about your woman cosplay instead of just recognizing you're a dude and will never be anything other than a dude.
Honest question to women here because I don't understand FTMs in this....did you ever feel the need to walk around in public topless? I have never felt that way, not do I feel 'oppressed' by society telling me not to do that. I don't understand why FTMs are so obsessed with it. I could understand if they refused to wear a bra because they can be uncomfortable but going topless in the woods....what?
I think for FtM's it's less about an inherent desire to walk around topless and more that "women are not allowed to walk around topless. Being a woman has a lot of baggage attatched. Therefore, if I walk around topless I will lose that baggage." I think it's basically like spinny-skirts for MtFs, enjoying something that no one really cares about, but they strongly associate as being something the opposite gender does.
Honest question to women here because I don't understand FTMs in this....did you ever feel the need to walk around in public topless? I have never felt that way, not do I feel 'oppressed' by society telling me not to do that. I don't understand why FTMs are so obsessed with it. I could understand if they refused to wear a bra because they can be uncomfortable but going topless in the woods....what?
okay as a womxn, who is neutral about her breasts- don’t hate them, don’t love them - I can see why some women hate their breasts, especially in a current culture so obsessed with fad "aesthetics."
The thin androgynous aesthetic is very popular amongst certain millennial and gen z circles and breasts simply get in the way of that.
Instead of embracing themselves and forming a style and personality around their natural traits and aptitudes, they pick and aesthetic they want to achieve and do everything they can to superficially achieve it. Not really though... there are a ton of "cottage core witchy lesbians" people living in flat shares or with their parents who think that owning a few houseplants and a pack of tarot cards is enough to embody "the aesthetic". It’s all very inauthentic and I am really avoidant of people like that in real life. I find them insecure and boring and uncomfortable to be around.
Also, breasts are lumps of fat on your chest and only a small percentage look firm and perky but those ones make up the vast majority of what we see in movies.
breasts come in a whole range of shapes, and sizes. Some sag, some nips point to the sides of point down, some areola are very large, not perfectly circular etc
Imagine thinking your breasts are ugly or deformed compared to what you typically see but also understanding that breasts are one of the things that are supposed to make you beautiful as a woman, that both men and lesbians talk at length about loving. Imagine thinking you are walking around with a secret deformity under your clothes. Getting them removed and then feeling like you don’t have to hide it anymore might feel kind of freeing. So I can understand it a bit.
I think for FtM's it's less about an inherent desire to walk around topless and more that "women are not allowed to walk around topless. Being a woman has a lot of baggage attatched. Therefore, if I walk around topless I will lose that baggage." I think it's basically like spinny-skirts for MtFs, enjoying something that no one really cares about, but they strongly associate as being something the opposite gender does.
Last couple years I have been rather single for exactly these reasons. Troons hate me because I see them as the gender non conforming men they are.
I can attest that many of them retain their maleness under a thin veneer of uwu catgirl. That's why they are all porn addicted.
I am not sure how much or what kind of things my fellow kiwis would want to know but as I sit on my throne on top of peak trans these are my thoughts: Over the last 20 years I have dated, lived with, associated with, and been friends with a large number of primarily MTF though there are also some FTMs. I created an side biz that led me to a variety of conventions and pride events over the years where I got a deep dive and inside troon life. I should also mention that an alarming amount of trannys have borderline as well as narcissistic personality disorder. There was a study (Source if someone can find) that actually showed troons have a 50% more likelihood of having a personality disorder. The borderline and narc rages can explain a lot of the lolcows here. Also the sexual deviancy: Oh My God. The impulsive behavior leads to a lot of cheating. And what do these stunning and brave ladies do? They cruise for sex like gay men on Grindr and CL. I'm not surprised to see Trannys on Grindr since CL shut down the personals. I have been called a chaser in the past, but I think these guys are actually smarter than me bc they get the sex and GTFO where I stayed on for torture most of the time. Chasers are a thing and they love to come to tranny conventions. Oh yea. Google First Event Conference, Southern Comfort, Fantasia Fair... It was fun to watch the troons take over the crossdressers and sissys suck and fuck fest to turn them into medical and educational safe spaces. (I have some more stories about these) Another thing to note is how clueless troons are to actual female anatomy and how many of them are grossed out by menstruation.
Self ID and the WHO making it no longer a mental illness was the worst idea ever.
Also, I learned that the very HRT makes them irratic and mentally unsound. To this day after 20 years I have not met a single FTM or MTF that I could say was a healthy person. Some are just better at hiding their dysfunctions than most. I just can't think that level of self hatred is natural.
For a very long time I struggled with the question: Are all trannys nuts? Seriously this has been a big issue as I am looking for a male GNC partner - but all of them are either troons or so deep in troon culture that their minds are so open their brains are falling out.
And as for the NBs - Fuck off with that shit and be the gender non conforming. No I will not call you zir.
@Sinners Sandwhich - So much solidarity with your posts!
Don't be fooled folks the emperor is indeed naked.
Interesting read, but there's one thing I simply can't understand about people like you, and those who have similar sexual preferences (if we can call it that?)
Why not just date people without hyper-labelling? Seems to me you're cutting out a mass of potential partners by being adamant in this way. Naturally, the only people who are down to play the GNC ball are troon nutcases. Sounds like if you want things to change, you have - and have had for two decades - your answer.
I think for FtM's it's less about an inherent desire to walk around topless and more that "women are not allowed to walk around topless. Being a woman has a lot of baggage attatched. Therefore, if I walk around topless I will lose that baggage." I think it's basically like spinny-skirts for MtFs, enjoying something that no one really cares about, but they strongly associate as being something the opposite gender does.
My city has top free equality laws and outside of concerts/festivals I think I've seen it once in like three years of living here. Even if toplessness was legal everywhere very few women would do it.
“Hopefully they can afford the fine” is hilarious. TERFs have been crowdfunding major lawsuits for years now. They are women who are gainfully employed (until they get fired by anime avatars seeing screen capped tweets to their employers). Meanwhile trannies are constantly begging for money and claiming they are too disabled to work because they have panic attacks at the idea of answering the phone.
He literally looks exactly the same except in the second picture he put on a dress and grew out his hair slightly. Granted, he's only 2 months on HRT, but he looks like a perfect caricature of what a trans person is.
Tranny iceberg from /lgbt/
The one that aren't constantly reeeing on Twitter/Reddit can be surprisingly funny/self-aware sometimes View attachment 1916288
I know this is a joke, but imagine if it actually existed. A big portion of the population would already be killing itself off by default, not to mention that everyone who's on HRT is sterile.
The funniest part is that they barely even look different, the woman only looks like she cut her hair shorter and put on softboi ftm suspenders, while the man just looks like he shaved his face, put on a skirt and called it a fucking day.
Honest question to women here because I don't understand FTMs in this....did you ever feel the need to walk around in public topless? I have never felt that way, not do I feel 'oppressed' by society telling me not to do that. I don't understand why FTMs are so obsessed with it. I could understand if they refused to wear a bra because they can be uncomfortable but going topless in the woods....what?
Not at all, and to be honest I wouldn't like having to exist in a society where I forced to look at other women's probably-gross tits all the time. FtMs only feel that way because they feel trapped in having to exist as a woman, and they see becoming a man who can go around topless as a kind of escape from that. I mean, I guess that still doesn't explain "#FreeTheNipple" shit but oh well.
The funniest part is that they barely even look different, the woman only looks like she cut her hair shorter and put on softboi ftm suspenders, while the man just looks like he shaved his face, put on a skirt and called it a fucking day.