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...technically, the real women are also screeching about corporate holidays, because we're dealing with real women all around, regardless of how wise or foolish they may be.

I'm sure some of these people are troons but I'm referring to the shaming version of real. You're not a REAL man you didn't buy me a card on valetines day type shaming. So it's you're not a REAL woman, you put peer pressure's gossip over every day life in valuing your relationship.

Do you think some of these roasties are upset no one bought them a $2 card yesterday?

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Damn, guys. Calm down. A woman wanting something nice is nothing new, and men would not participate in the day if they didn't enjoy giving gifts either. Providing for your woman, even spoiling her, is something that appeals to a lot of men. That's what simping is.

 

[White Girl]

It is manufactured, but it is also an indicator if a guy is into you or not. If they do absolutely nothing, it tells you they don't care - even when society and seemingly every company is creating products to help you show that you do. It might not be right, but if a guy doesn't even get you a card or a cup of coffee, it makes it seem like they aren't into you.

Do men not realize that celebrating Valentine's Day gets them laid?

 

[trashbat]

my children were confused and upset to find nothing under the tree on christmas morning. they asked me if they had done something wrong; was santa mad at them? i told the little ingrates to shut the fuck up and think about the routine sacrifices i make for them, and what's more, i said, you impressionable little cretins, santa is an invention of the coca-cola corporation and i will not be emotionally blackmailed into swallowing your regurgitated mattel inc. marketing copy. bizarrely, having heard my factual and patiently articulated arguments, they did not agree but instead began to cry. this is why nobody understands kids

 

[Ged!]

I agree that Valentine's day is retarded as all get out, but it really doesn't take much effort to go buy flowers or a box of chocolate or some other gay shit at a bodega. Especially when you'll pretty much be guaranteed an easy lay in return. I really don't think the holiday warrants any more thought than that.

 

[NyQuilninja]

A nice dinner or going to some movie she loves that the local cinema is playing works well for valentine's day nothing super fany just a reminder she matters or chocolate and Roses. Bitches love both of these things

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I guess that we can't celebrate birthdays, either. Or wedding anniversaries.

The argument isn't that you can't-- it's that it's asinine to badger your SO specifically about participating in cynical marketing ploys and presume neglect and apathy in any refusal to do so when it's clear that you're loved every other day of the year given the total of everything they do for your sake.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The argument isn't that you can't-- it's that it's asinine to badger your SO specifically about participating in cynical marketing ploys and presume neglect and apathy in any refusal to do so when it's clear that you're loved every other day of the year given the total of everything they do for your sake.

So, basically what you're saying is "You're free to celebrate Valentine's Day and don't let me stop you ... But I'll tear down the moral character of anyone who does and try to ruin it for them." You're sounding like an SJW, dude. Shit on people's fun, why don't you.

Celebrating Valentine's Day =/= badgering your SO to "prove" their love to you by spending tons of money. The fact that you're equating the two is silly at best.

Is Valentine's Day frivolous? Duh, of course it is. Do some people have genuine fun with it, though? Yes. Sometimes it's fun to make things feel special and to have something planned to look forward to. I don't hold Valentine's Day to some high standard in terms of holidays, personally ... But it's nice to hear my husband wish me a Happy Valentine's Day and it feels nice to wish him the same.

Sometimes, it's okay to just let people enjoy things, you know.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

So, basically what you're saying is "You're free to celebrate Valentine's Day and don't let me stop you ... But I'll tear down the moral character of anyone who does and try to ruin it for them."

Where the hell did any of that come from?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Where the hell did any of that come from?

You went on a tangent about how "Yeah, you're free to celebrate, but here's why people are sheep to celebrate and why people are badgering their SOs in celebrating." It's right there in your post, dude, and now you are acting like you have no idea what I'm talking about? Kay.

Not saying that people like you described don't exist, but don't conflate that with people who celebrate Valentine's Day like sane, normal, non-toxic people. Not everyone who decides to celebrate the holiday demands expensive things and an elaborate night on the town.

It's really not that deep for a lot of people. Some couples merely view Valentine's Day as an excuse to plan an extra date night, and a lot of people look forward to those last time I checked. I know many couples who are married and have kids and like the fact that something like Valentine's Day is a thing, so that they can plan accordingly to make time for a much-needed date night on a date they can actually remember. Like I said before, people like to have excuses to have something to look forward to.

And if we're talking about "corporate influence" on women in regards to how they treat their significant others, then Valentine's Day barely even qualifies as the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more to unload on that topic than just "REEEE Valentine's Day and Hallmark Cards."

 

[Zero Day Defense]

And if good women don't care about Valentine's Day, then there are very few good women.

There are necessarily very few good women, regardless.

You went on a tangent about how "Yeah, you're free to celebrate, but here's why people are sheep to celebrate and why people are badgering their SOs in celebrating."

My argument has been "you're free to celebrate, but it's stupid to use whether or not your SO cares about the socially prescribed behavior for this particular holiday as an indicator of your relationship's health, ignoring the other good he does for you, because the holiday's origins are in capitalist interest and nothing of greater value". That is, don't make the lack of celebration of Valentine's Day a stressor for your relationship when your SO has proven their love through spending time with you and doing good by you the rest of the year. I'm stuck repeating myself at this point because you decided to stick a foreign meaning into my words for reasons beyond my comprehension.

Maybe you're conflating me with the other guy criticizing the holiday (and then some), or maybe you're mounting a needless self-defense. If this doesn't apply to you, that's great-- I'm criticizing a general cultural phenomenon that you just happen to not be a part of.

And if we're talking about "corporate influence" on women in regards to how they treat their significant others, then Valentine's Day barely even qualifies as the tip of the iceberg.

Yeah, you need to pay attention to who's saying what.