Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

For me, the Carano thing was the final straw. I was, perhaps foolishly, holding out some hope that they'd learned from their sequel trilogy stupidity. I liked Mando, didn't think it was amazing or anything, but her firing pulled the rug out from under all of it and exposed the fact that Disney is still just as fucking retarded as ever.

Considering that Disney had its own internal struggles over merely giving Luke Skywalker his due for ONE FUCKING EPISODE, I had little to no hope for Disney going forward. And the fact that they're trying to shill feminist crap to the Chinese goes to show how little they understand Chinese culture. The Chinese will view it as patronizing at best, and insulting at worst. It seems that Disney never had a plan. They allowed Filoni to defang the Empire in Rebels, they allowed JJ and Ruin Johnson to make a laughing stock of themselves in the Sequels, so why should we expect good judgement and planning from a corporation that spent $4 billion to buy Star Wars, only to utterly shit the bed and fail in a way that even the Prequels couldn't get close to?

So fuck it. In my eyes, the Disney shit did not happen, period. I look at it this way - LOTR is my favorite story of all time, pretty much sacred in my eyes. If some opportunistic, greedy fuckweasel of a company (such as Disney) god forbid acquired the rights to the franchise and decided to make "Lord of the Rings 4: The Revenge of Sauron", would I take it seriously? Fuck no I wouldn't. Just like how I don't even acknowledge all those terrible Terminator films that got shat out after T2.

ROTJ was, and still is, pretty much perfect as an ending. And if I really wanted a continuation, there's the original EU (which I have some issues with, but it's still infinitely better than any of Disney's garbage).

That's what most of us do. For me, it's the Old Republic stuff, the movies, the EU surrounding that era the post-ROTJ series like the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, and Crimson Empire, as well as the Jedi Knight games. And MAYBE the Yuuzhan Vong books and the Legacy Era comics.

And then there's this tsunami of absolute nonsense. The funny thing is, no matter how hard Disney tries to brainwash their precious China into becoming Star Wars consoomers, it's not going to happen. They don't give a shit about the franchise. Never have, and never will, no matter how much shameless pandering they do.

It shouldn't be that hard to make Star Wars big in China. Just do what the Trasnformers movies do-provide a strong male hero and have him do cool shit onscreen for 2 hours while have the women be gorgeous hotties on the side. Shit, I bet I can make a Tales of the Jedi movie series based on the comics that can sell well in China, since they have all the ingredients that made the Bayformers films sell well there. Basic good versus evil morality, lots of good action, hot space babes, and shit blowing up on a large scale.

Instead, Disney wants to shove in the same goddess worship and ethnic pandering that failed in the Sequels. Again. As if they didn't learn the last time that people hated that shit in Last Jedi. The Chinese won't like it, the CCP won't like it, at most, that High Republic shit will just end up in the garbage cans of China while they go off to watch Transformers 6.

 

[The Last Boyscout]

It shouldn't be that hard to make Star Wars big in China. Just do what the Trasnformers movies do-provide a strong male hero and have him do cool shit onscreen for 2 hours while have the women be gorgeous hotties on the side. Shit, I bet I can make a Tales of the Jedi movie series based on the comics that can sell well in China, since they have all the ingredients that made the Bayformers films sell well there. Basic good versus evil morality, lots of good action, hot space babes, and shit blowing up on a large scale.

oh fuck yes. there's plenty of ancient sith lords with powerful Sith male energy that would deffo stand a good chance of selling well in China, but I could totes see them deciding to asian-fy Exar Kun (his default black hair and facial features aren't that far off from it anyway) and him just being a total boss for 2 hours straight, like he is in the comics, being a big magnet pull for them. also the whole Qel-Droma brothers drama, good shiz for a culture that's all about dem male-oriented family values.

too bad, tho, that Disney already pulled the gun on decanonizing it all and that they can't just adapt it! instead they'd have to steal all those ideas and rearrange them into their own version and if they do that they just won't be able to resist making them all strong, stunning and brave womyn (aside from shitting up whatever made that story work to begin with) - thus defeating their appeal to the Chinese market lmao.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Disneys ultimate issue is it wants star wars to be all things to all people. It wants to break the chinese market but it also want to expand into differant western demographics while still maintaining it's established fanbase. It also wants to appear moral to modern neo liberal corporate woke without offending the 95% of the human race who don't feel that way for a broad variety of reasons. Finally it wants to make an obscene amount of cash during a recession in an already overcrowded market.
You'd be better off re-booting star wars as a gothic horror franchise because at least then you'd have a coherant objective and audience.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

oh fuck yes. there's plenty of ancient sith lords with powerful Sith male energy that would deffo stand a good chance of selling well in China, but I could totes see them deciding to asian-fy Exar Kun (his default black hair and facial features aren't that far off from it anyway) and him just being a total boss for 2 hours straight, like he is in the comics, being a big magnet pull for them. also the whole Qel-Droma brothers drama, good shiz for a culture that's all about dem male-oriented family values.

Exactly. You look at best-selling Chinese dramas and operas, and it's all about that male energy. The females are only tolerated if they're hot or they serve a story purpose, which the women of Tales of the Jedi have. Strong male leads, hot female leads, that's how you sell to people in a country like China. Take 80s-style action movies, and bump up the male energy and the female titillation factor, and there you go.

too bad, tho, that Disney already pulled the gun on decanonizing it all and that they can't just adapt it! instead they'd have to steal all those ideas and rearrange them into their own version and if they do that they just won't be able to resist making them all strong, stunning and brave womyn (aside from shitting up whatever made that story work to begin with) - thus defeating their appeal to the Chinese market lmao.

Yes, which means that their attempts to make their own Old Republic stuff in China, like the High Republic, will crash hard like the Hindenburg and not even garner China's attention.

Disneys ultimate issue is it wants star wars to be all things to all people. It wants to break the chinese market but it also want to expand into differant western demographics while still maintaining it's established fanbase. It also wants to appear moral to modern neo liberal corporate woke without offending the 95% of the human race who don't feel that way for a broad variety of reasons. Finally it wants to make an obscene amount of cash during a recession in an already overcrowded market.
You'd be better off re-booting star wars as a gothic horror franchise because at least then you'd have a coherant objective and audience.

They saw George Lucas making money by slapping the Star Wars name on plastic toys and other merchandise, and thought that they could replicate that success while at the same time marketing to a horribly woke western crowd AND a Chinese crowd that sees woke values as sappy emotional western bullshit. They really are that blind. There's a reason why Transformers films sell well to China-because they don't waste time appealing to a woke audience. They just have male heroes like Optimus Prime and Mark Wahlberg do awesome hero shit, and that shit actually sells there. Either make something for the western audience, or make something for the eastern audience. Or just make something that's its own thing. Anime, for instance, doesn't give two shits about western values and instead appeals to Japanese people and other Asians. Which is why a lot of westerners who hate the woke shit find anime appealing, since it doesn't pander to the lowest common denominator in the west.

Disney has the unholy combination of greed and liberal preaching. They want to go on a soapbox and cry about how tolerant and protective they are of the oppressed minorities, while making shit-tons of cash and appealing to a male-dominated, action-oriented, patriarchal culture across the pond. They really are just that blind and stupid. If these people weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths, they'd have been eradicated by nature due to how self-deluded and stupid they are. If they worked in the Imperial Navy, you bet your ass Vader would have executed the lot of them for being clumsy and stupid by now.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

For the love of God, are they really this stupid? They still want to pander this Force is female shit to China, A COUNTRY THAT IS STRICTLY PATRIARCHAL TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ABORT UNWANTED BABY GIRLS! In every Chinese show I've watched, China values strong male authority figures. Making the core of Space China's religion out to be this "Holy Mother" of the Force is not only offensive to the atheistic Chinese, it also offends many traditional Chinese who hate feminism and who laud masculine values and behavior. Looks like they didn't learn a damn thing from their failures with the Sequel Trilogy in China. China likes male authority figures, male fantasy deities, and masculine heroes like Optimus Prime. That's why the Transformers movies, and other movies with strong men in charge, tend to do well in the Chinese market.

Well, I can't wait for this project to fail in China and for Disney to look like the unimaginative slobs that they are. Aside from being suck-ups to an actual tyrannical state that makes Nazi Germany look like the Care Bears.

I don't see there being much of an issue for the Chinese if there is some mythical female deity. Their folk religions and myths have female characters, often as a Mother Goddess. So making the mystical element of the force tied to a Mother would connect with Chinese audiences as being something spiritual. Now if they made the main character a woman, yeah, that wouldn't be popular.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't see there being much of an issue for the Chinese if there is some mythical female deity. Their folk religions and myths have female characters, often as a Mother Goddess. So making the mystical element of the force tied to a Mother would connect with Chinese audiences as being something spiritual. Now if they made the main character a woman, yeah, that wouldn't be popular.

But often, said mother goddess has to share the pantheon with male deities. By having the chief god be a woman, that's insulting to the patriarchal Chinese. Not only do most Chinese not worship gods anymore, but those who do usually worship male deities along with female deities, or just male deities. They're trying to push the same goddess worship they're pushing here to a bunch of Chinese who are split between ancient patriarchal religious customs and Communist atheism. That's not going to work.

 

[Kane Lives]

All that bellyaching about what the Chinese wants also misses one point: when they watch wypipo movies, they want to see wypipo doing cool stuff in wypipo settings.

Case in point, they got Matt Damon to star in a Chinese movie because they wanted to see fucking Matt Damon do Matt Damon things. Certainly, they do not want to see this grotesque facsimile of their own culture as reimagined by soytards. If the Chinese wanted to see stuff based on their own culture, there's literally thousands of Chinese movies they could turn to, and the Chinese movie industry churns them out by the hundreds each year. Why would they need to go to Hollyweird to see that?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

All that bellyaching about what the Chinese wants also misses one point: when they watch wypipo movies, they want to see wypipo doing cool stuff in wypipo settings.

Case in point, they got Matt Damon to star in a Chinese movie because they wanted to see fucking Matt Damon do Matt Damon things. Certainly, they do not want to see this grotesque facsimile of their own culture as reimagined by soytards. If the Chinese wanted to see stuff based on their own culture, there's literally thousands of Chinese movies they could turn to, and the Chinese movie industry churns them out by the hundreds each year. Why would they need to go to Hollyweird to see that?

Exactly. Chinese people go see western movies to see things blow up and to see nice lightshows that their own movie industries can't do. The same goes for Filipinos, Japanese, Koreans, and other Asians who see western movies. They don't want to see the West give half-baked "tributes" to Asian culture, they have their own shows and movies that do a better job of representing their own ancestral stuff. They want to see white people blow shit up and look cool. Or they want to make fun of the funny black man who speaks funny and cracks jokes. It's a hard pill for westerners to swallow, but Asians hate it when the west pretends to be Asian, because westerners usually suck at it.

I remember seeing Asians from Asia having a blast when seeing the SW Prequels or the Transformers movies. These films were panned by western critics, but Asian crowds from Asia loved them for the spectacle and the boom-fiestas. They loved the seeing the Geonosis Battle and Yoda going all apeshit on Count Dooku. They loved seeing Optimus Prime tearing shit up. That's what rakes in the good bucks in the east. If Asians want to see Asian stuff, their own movies and dramas suffice in that regard.

That, and western woke media has no idea what Asians see as good entertainment when it comes to pandering to eastern cultures. Hollywood executives never sat down to watch 95 episodes of the 2010 Three Kingdoms show. They don't watch Asian soap operas and dramas with attractive males and females as the leads. All these pampered white executives do is think that pretending to be Asian gets the Asians to buy their stuff, all the while ignoring the metric shit-tons of money Michael Bay and Hasbro have been raking in from the Chinese market. The answer to the question of "how do we make money from China" is staring them in the face, and they're dumb enough to ignore it.

 

[The Valeyard]

All that bellyaching about what the Chinese wants also misses one point: when they watch wypipo movies, they want to see wypipo doing cool stuff in wypipo settings.

Case in point, they got Matt Damon to star in a Chinese movie because they wanted to see fucking Matt Damon do Matt Damon things.

Which didn’t stop the out-of-touch Western critics from going after The Great Wall as they perceived this casting as pushing the White Savior trope.

 

[Kane Lives]

Which didn’t stop the out-of-touch Western critics from going after The Great Wall as they perceived this casting as pushing the White Savior trope.

Good thing the chinks don't read rags like Vox and Daily Beast.

I don't even know why they tried, to be honest.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

And guess who else was in The Great Wall?

 

[Overly Serious]

And guess who else was in The Great Wall?

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I'm sorry. I didn't notice anybody else in that movie than Tian Jing.

The Great Wall was very far from high art. Pitched somewhere a centimetre or two higher than the Transformer's movies in terms of sophistication. But it was enjoyable pablum. I hate how Western progressives hate on anything other than putting other cultures on an unquestioned pedestal. The trope of going to an other culture and learning their ways is at base a positive one - it's about finding that other culture cool. The Netflix series Iron Fist had problems (2nd season especially so) but the central character being an American who learned from Chinese culture (don't split hairs, comic book fans) wasn't one of them. But boy did it get attacked for that. People keep pointing out the inconsistencies in Woke culture but they're wrong - there's no inconsistency. Anything that suggests blending of culture is a good thing is condemned. It's that simple. It is a doctrine that teaches cultures and races are different and must be kept different. That is why the only forms of respect they can understand are pandering and submission. Any other form of respect is anathema to them because it would breach their foundational principle of Us and Them.

They hate things like The Great Wall. The "noble savage" in that film of the Western knight in China can be cool to them the same way some mystic Kung Fu master in America can be cool to us. And I'm fine with that.

 

[Oats12345]

Which didn’t stop the out-of-touch Western critics from going after The Great Wall as they perceived this casting as pushing the White Savior trope.

Yeah I thought it was funny they didn't realized China actually liked that movie.

China actually like watching white guys doing cool things and saving the day at the end of the movie. For some reason Hollywood doesn't realized that.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Exactly. Chinese people go see western movies to see things blow up and to see nice lightshows that their own movie industries can't do. The same goes for Filipinos, Japanese, Koreans, and other Asians who see western movies. They don't want to see the West give half-baked "tributes" to Asian culture, they have their own shows and movies that do a better job of representing their own ancestral stuff. They want to see white people blow shit up and look cool. Or they want to make fun of the funny black man who speaks funny and cracks jokes. It's a hard pill for westerners to swallow, but Asians hate it when the west pretends to be Asian, because westerners usually suck at it.

I remember seeing Asians from Asia having a blast when seeing the SW Prequels or the Transformers movies. These films were panned by western critics, but Asian crowds from Asia loved them for the spectacle and the boom-fiestas. They loved the seeing the Geonosis Battle and Yoda going all apeshit on Count Dooku. They loved seeing Optimus Prime tearing shit up. That's what rakes in the good bucks in the east. If Asians want to see Asian stuff, their own movies and dramas suffice in that regard.

That, and western woke media has no idea what Asians see as good entertainment when it comes to pandering to eastern cultures. Hollywood executives never sat down to watch 95 episodes of the 2010 Three Kingdoms show. They don't watch Asian soap operas and dramas with attractive males and females as the leads. All these pampered white executives do is think that pretending to be Asian gets the Asians to buy their stuff, all the while ignoring the metric shit-tons of money Michael Bay and Hasbro have been raking in from the Chinese market. The answer to the question of "how do we make money from China" is staring them in the face, and they're dumb enough to ignore it.

It's not just Disney, unfortunately - it's obscene how many companies are jumping almost specifically onto doing things about Sun Wukong.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's not just Disney, unfortunately - it's obscene how many companies are jumping almost specifically onto doing things about Sun Wukong.

And it's all for naught. Asians like anime, they like western movies where the hero feels like a hero and where shit blows up, this politically correct bullshit would just see eye-rolls from Asians who KNOW they can make better eastern mythology movies than liberal white people can.

Which didn’t stop the out-of-touch Western critics from going after The Great Wall as they perceived this casting as pushing the White Savior trope.

Even though the Asians themselves liked him being part of the cast. Geez, western critics are really out of touch with the rest of the world. When America collapses from the debt ceiling or the political turmoil, (or better yet, once America keeps going after inviting 1/2 of the Third World into its borders) and these liberal gentry are forced to work with the rest of the world, they'll see how pampered and far from reality they really were.

I'm sorry. I didn't notice anybody else in that movie than Tian Jing.
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The Great Wall was very far from high art. Pitched somewhere a centimetre or two higher than the Transformer's movies in terms of sophistication. But it was enjoyable pablum. I hate how Western progressives hate on anything other than putting other cultures on an unquestioned pedestal. The trope of going to an other culture and learning their ways is at base a positive one - it's about finding that other culture cool. The Netflix series Iron Fist had problems (2nd season especially so) but the central character being an American who learned from Chinese culture (don't split hairs, comic book fans) wasn't one of them. But boy did it get attacked for that. People keep pointing out the inconsistencies in Woke culture but they're wrong - there's no inconsistency. Anything that suggests blending of culture is a good thing is condemned. It's that simple. It is a doctrine that teaches cultures and races are different and must be kept different. That is why the only forms of respect they can understand are pandering and submission. Any other form of respect is anathema to them because it would breach their foundational principle of Us and Them.

They hate things like The Great Wall. The "noble savage" in that film of the Western knight in China can be cool to them the same way some mystic Kung Fu master in America can be cool to us. And I'm fine with that.

Seeing as how attractive women are in Asian films, and seeing as how the only things they like from the west is white people doing flashy boom-fiestas (think Duke from GI Joe blowing shit up, only with state of the art graphics) it's funny seeing Hollywood be unable to make money there in China, when Michael Bay and Hasbro have been making bank there 5 times in a row with their Transformers movies.

Yeah I thought it was funny they didn't realized China actually liked that movie.

China actually like watching white guys doing cool things and saving the day at the end of the movie. For some reason Hollywood doesn't realized that.

Which means that a Tales of the Jedi movie starring the likes of strong men like Ulic Qel-Droma and Exar-Kun would score bank with China. Especially when the women are all hot, like Empress Teta, Aleema Keto, Nomi Sunrider, and Jori Daragon.

 

[Creep3r]

Saw this on Wookieepedo just now:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tofu

Also from the Chinese novel, along with "Mantou" aka Chinese steamed buns. I mean they already had soypro as the space tofu substitute (which honestly fits better now in nu-canon than in the old one since now everything feels as if its made of soypro), but I guess they thought that would offend the Chinese.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201218020009/https://m.weibo.cn/status/4583274020349438

Released in Simplified Chinese on the Shanghai-based Starting Point Chinese Web of the People's Republic of China, the web novel aims to incorporate Chinese culture to tell an authentic Star Wars that would resonate with teenagers

Is this really what Chinese teens give a shit about? This feels like something President Pooh's generation of boomers and gen xers would obsess over more. Regardless, its not working.

 

[Adamska]

It's not just Disney, unfortunately - it's obscene how many companies are jumping almost specifically onto doing things about Sun Wukong.

Journey to the West is public domain and might get the china bux... even though that concept has been done to death and fucking it up will just make the Chinamen go "Why watch this? We'll watch the dozens of ones we made."

It's the desperate shamble combined with a self-hating fetish for foreign shit.

And why is Tofu making it onto retardepedia surprising or newsworthy? That shit peaked with Coke and these employees disguised as users mentioned you have to read that shit fucking book that isn't translated or accessible to you the western market to complete their fucktarded and confusing multimedia project.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Saw this on Wookieepedo just now:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tofu

Also from the Chinese novel, along with "Mantou" aka Chinese steamed buns. I mean they already had soypro as the space tofu substitute (which honestly fits better now in nu-canon than in the old one since now everything feels as if its made of soypro), but I guess they thought that would offend the Chinese.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201218020009/https://m.weibo.cn/status/4583274020349438

Is this really what Chinese teens give a shit about? This feels like something President Pooh's generation of boomers and gen xers would obsess over more. Regardless, its not working.

Literal soyboys put tofu in Star Wars. Why am I not surprised?

Amusingly, this gives the Rule 34 crowd something to work with. Now that tofu, a soy product, is canon to Star Wars, I can see someone writing a fan story of a Sith Lord or a Hutt feeding his female slaves tofu so their bodies can become "more desirable". (As in, they're pimping out their female slaves for a profit, and they want the slaves to have big ta-tas so that the soldiers, bounty hunters, and space nobles who frequent their establishments would pay extra to bury their faces in those mammaries.)

Also, Disney SW's version of "authentic Chinese culture" is about as authentic as passing off Kelly Marie Tran as relatable to the Chinese. If you want authentic Chinese culture, go watch a Chinese soap opera or a Chinese drama, or go sit down and watch all 95 episodes of the 2010 Romance of the Three Kingdoms show.

Journey to the West is public domain and might get the china bux... even though that concept has been done to death and fucking it up will just make the Chinamen go "Why watch this? We'll watch the dozens of ones we made."

Exactly. Asian mythology movies made by Asians tend to be more authentic than white people pretending that they know Asian folklore.

It's the desperate shamble combined with a self-hating fetish for foreign shit.

Mostly because these Baizuo (imma call them that from now on) love to self-deprecate to prove their own moral superiority, while not actually caring for the people they pretend to love.

And why is Tofu making it onto retardepedia surprising or newsworthy? That shit peaked with Coke and these employees disguised as users mentioned you have to read that shit fucking book that isn't translated or accessible to you the western market to complete their fucktarded and confusing multimedia project.

And here I thought 343 Studios was being stupid when they wanted you to read all their Halo books to understand their Halo games. At least their books are all available in English.

What Disney SW is doing is beyond stupid-it's insulting to the Chinese. Especially with the goddess worship.

I remember an episode of the Three Kingdoms show, (Episode 27, if I recall correctly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mry6ga47nEo&list=PLCldpz_Pc1FrGQLsaxaV0kVPqmXN_nanN&index=27) when one general (Yuan Shao) was launching a campaign against Cao Cao, a prime minister accused of manipulating Emperor Xian. He then made three sacrifices-to the Heavens, to the Imperial Ancestors, and to Mother Earth. Out of those three, only one was to a female deity. The rest were sacrifices to heaven itself, or to the Imperial Ancestors, AKA the spirits of the past Emperors. Chinese religion reflects its society, and it was very patriarchal and had little room for female deities. And even when female deities were worshiped, they had to share the spotlight with male deities like gods of wind, thunder, and war, or the spirits of dead emperors who are also worshiped by the Chinese.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Also, Disney SW's version of "authentic Chinese culture" is about as authentic as passing off Kelly Marie Tran as relatable to the Chinese. If you want authentic Chinese culture, go watch a Chinese soap opera or a Chinese drama, or go sit down and watch all 95 episodes of the 2010 Romance of the Three Kingdoms show.

While I like 2010 RoTK due to its superior usage of film language (quick-cut fights aside), 1994 is far more Chinese, so much so that I doubt white people can even comprehend it... outside of dedicated, professional translators of course.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

While I like 2010 RoTK due to its superior usage of film language (quick-cut fights aside), 1994 is far more Chinese, so much so that I doubt white people can even comprehend it... outside of dedicated, professional translators of course.

The 1994 ROTK was more based on the traditional Chinese epic, while the 2010 ROTK was more contemporary and was made in the wake of the success of the Dynasty Warriors series. Still, even the 2010 series is more authentic in terms of Chinese culture when compared to any faux-Asian western SJW nonsense.