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They don't have to, because most of their readers know nothing about writing techniques beyond the very basics, and don't really care about the technical stuff behind writing good fiction. Like Kaktus says in those logs, you can fairly easily get an article to a satisfactory rating just by prettying it up. If you have a basic understanding of writing techniques on top of that, you're going to be consistently getting +100 articles. If you're concerned exclusively with writing popular articles, like many of the site's contemporary authors are, you don't need much beyond what you would learn in the first few months of a basic high school creative writing class, so it's not surprising that many of SCP's most popular authors are missing this stuff.
I can't really do much at this point except back up @Secret Asshole because he said it way better than I would have. I'll give you the layman's version. It doesn't matter if the readers understand, or even know about the technical aspects of writing. They are affected by them anyway, though to a lesser extend than if you can see the threads. Where I differ in opinion is I think that for the most part nobody likes to slog through six paragraphs of a character doing nothing but dumping exposition. What SCP *does* have though is established fandom, brand recognition and third party content creators that condense the bullshit stuff to consumable form for the wider masses.

Jack and Jill is kind of a bad example anyway because it was a money laundering scheme.
 
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They don't have to, because most of their readers know nothing about writing techniques beyond the very basics, and don't really care about the technical stuff behind writing good fiction. Like Kaktus says in those logs, you can fairly easily get an article to a satisfactory rating just by prettying it up. If you have a basic understanding of writing techniques on top of that, you're going to be consistently getting +100 articles. If you're concerned exclusively with writing popular articles, like many of the site's contemporary authors are, you don't need much beyond what you would learn in the first few months of a basic high school creative writing class, so it's not surprising that many of SCP's most popular authors are missing this stuff.
I’m not kidding, they think they are peri-or post-collegiate level writers. I don’t have a receipt, and maybe can find it, but they recommend having gotten through high school English to write there.

But with most of their visible readership being between 15-19 (that % has increased), and a much higher percentage of an even younger audience, it’s YA material (except for all the smut). The old stuff used to be geared (ha pun) towards a higher reading level. You can see it in the prose, it’s way more scientificy.

I mean, SCP content that's popular is just going to be pretty with maybe one interesting idea and just make it as visually appealing as possible

Because remember, even if the authors don't realize what they're doing, they're strengthening the garbage of their writing and the weakness of the format with something that resonates emotionally, and that's what is going to hit readers.
Kaktus’ stuff — I’m going to pick on him more bc he is the quintessential SCP author, and there’s a flattery in that — is at about an 8th grade reading level. There are next to zero skilled sentences in his work, maybe just a handful of examples of talented word-smithing and skillful composition. He is the compositional equivalent of a frat boy. The Michael Bay of SCP.

Story telling? Apt. Characterization, lore building, memetic accuracy? He got it. But I’ve never read a sentence of Kaktus’ work and felt impressed with how he put it together. I’m not sure if he deliberately resists technical prowess, or if he just can’t do it and says it’s in order to maximize reception. I think it’s the second one because, hell, R.L. Stine can compose a killer sentence with simple language.

Kaktus is a great storyteller and salesman, and can write a killer article now and then. His Bodies in the Water, there’s a lesser-appreciated one about the mine shaft, a few others like O Death (great title and shout out), these are great pieces. He has great taste too. Especially in CSS design (that’s the only good thing about his second 001 imo, the Dr. Manhattan bootleg one).

But the IQ in the writing is (and again, he ain’t shy about it) as low as is possible. There’s something about this tactic that betrays the original intent of the writing which was to appear authentically academic.

Meanwhile, RPC is pumping out peer-reviewed, PhD-style documents for their lore and their userbase won’t throw those out for a lack of feefees or pinkwashing in the narrative. Ironically, probably because they are not as snobby.

But what the hell do I know?

The only one who needs to know the technical aspects of writing is the writer.
It’s a lot like cooking as a chef and eating as a diner. “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”
 
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I’m not kidding, they think they are peri-or post-collegiate level writers. I don’t have a receipt, and maybe can find it, but they recommend having gotten through high school English to write there.
I remember this as well, but I can't find it.
Kaktus’ stuff — I’m going to pick on him more bc he is the quintessential SCP author, and there’s a flattery in that — is at about an 8th grade reading level. There are next to zero skilled sentences in his work, maybe just a handful of examples of talented word-smithing and skillful composition. He is the compositional equivalent of a frat boy. The Michael Bay of SCP.

Story telling? Apt. Characterization, lore building, memetic accuracy? He got it. But I’ve never read a sentence of Kaktus’ work and felt impressed with how he put it together. I’m not sure if he deliberately resists technical prowess, or if he just can’t do it and says it’s in order to maximize reception. I think it’s the second one because, hell, R.L. Stine can compose a killer sentence with simple language.

Kaktus is a great storyteller and salesman, and can write a killer article now and then. His Bodies in the Water, there’s a lesser-appreciated one about the mine shaft, a few others like O Death (great title and shout out), these are great pieces. He has great taste too. Especially in CSS design (that’s the only good thing about his second 001 imo, the Dr. Manhattan bootleg one).

But the IQ in the writing is (and again, he ain’t shy about it) as low as is possible. There’s something about this tactic that betrays the original intent of the writing which was to appear authentically academic.

Meanwhile, RPC is pumping out peer-reviewed, PhD-style documents for their lore and their userbase won’t throw those out for a lack of feefees or pinkwashing in the narrative. Ironically, probably because they are not as snobby.
Like I've said before, Kaktus has the education to write well when he wants to, but he knows that he doesn't have to, and he would rather factory farm samey articles for upvotes than write as well as he can. Writing the highest-level article he can takes time, time that could be spent pumping out three to five articles that would all get +100.
 
I remember this as well, but I can't find it.

Like I've said before, Kaktus has the education to write well when he wants to, but he knows that he doesn't have to, and he would rather factory farm samey articles for upvotes than write as well as he can. Writing the highest-level article he can takes time, time that could be spent pumping out three to five articles that would all get +100.
You can tell from his podcasts that Kaktus is a true student of SCPs, the sort that can spout off the number if you start describing it. He definitely did it the right way, reading a lot before starting to write. He’s a long-time fanboy who whacks himself off every day because he got to the top of the hill he idolized.

Here’s where I found that claim; I think it is so familiar because it is part of a boilerplate reply for the draft forums. It may or may not be on an official guide, but as a sanctioned blanket response coming from Admins (this is Zyn), it is as official as that.
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This is a good but antiquated recommendation. It’s misleading given SCP’s current state. More and more of the prose is focused on flowery, subjective interpersonal dynamics than being true to a cold, clinical posture. Clinical posture is on the whole approached as something of a chore; a challenge, but not an opportunity; like the conprocs, paved over quickly to just get the box checked. The good authors take them to be an opportunity to flex. There are very few authors there who treat the intended limits of the clinical posture right and accept the challenge of making a captivating, emotionally engaging article while staying within them.

Here’s an example, and also my answer to @BroccoliBrain’s earlier question:
I'd like to know what people here think is the most wokeified article and at what point was it not shit?
This. Again, an article in this politically galvanized community, at this time in the game, whose containment procedures are essentially to assign a genders study major to help a kid ghost who was murdered by their parents for wanting to be transgender transition sexes so they can finally rest in piece was never not going to be total shit. Way to pinkwash and pander away any self-reliant merits. The philosophy of what the Foundation is in the article is in direct antagonism to Gears’ and Kain’s comments as this process started:
Kain Pathos Crow said:
The Foundation itself is no longer this great shadow that looms over the horizon, too huge and far reaching to truly see. It has become a pet, something that allows itself to be tamed and groomed ... But how do we reclaim this lost glory?
Dr. Gears said:
However, we seem to now be drifting much more drastically. With a recent influx of new users, we've had to constantly remind, prod, and threaten to try and maintain the initial vision of the SCP... a soulless, shadowy, bureaucratic entity, with zero tolerance for mistakes, incompetence, or insubordination. One who's actions are carried out swiftly, and without apology or explanation.
That was in the late 2000’s. Look how far they’ve come. I think AnOminius said it best:
The best SCPs use this somewhat tortured format to present the idea of something utterly awful and terrifying, but without actually just jumping in and forcing it down your throat.
That article I linked is as about as down your throw as someone can get, all kinds of puns intended.

And:
And nobody wants to read a thinly veiled fictional wiki article as a vehicle for an author's personal politics. And obviously these go much longer, but that's the limit of the format. You go long, you lose
They abandoned the restraint inherent to the format a long time ago for a moral hugbox. Their format isn’t theirs anymore. Now it’s RPC’s imo.
 
Clinical posture is on the whole approached as something of a chore; a challenge, but not an opportunity; like the conprocs, paved over quickly to just get the box checked.
I always enjoyed writing containment procedures. "What is this thing" was generally less important to me because I enjoyed a little bit of vaguery. "How to contain this thing, and what to do if you fail the first part" was way more fun to write.
 
Though, nobody really knows anymore or cares. They don't look at it analytically, which is sad. We've lost something. Which is why a lot of entertainment sucks.
This really does apply to most things in the modern age -- faith, entertainment, hobbies, politics... Critical thought has been lost somewhere along the last few decades. Despite how common the observation is, spotting the similarities between ultra-authoritarian dystopian fiction and present day is still disquieting, and SCP is to me a perfect microcosm of this greater reality.
 
I always enjoyed writing containment procedures. "What is this thing" was generally less important to me because I enjoyed a little bit of vaguery. "How to contain this thing, and what to do if you fail the first part" was way more fun to write.
This is what distinguishes the SCP/RPC format from other similar things for me. You don't just have to think about what the thing is, you have to think about how to keep it locked up. Many modern SCP authors are so concerned with the anomaly and story surrounding it that they forget the thing that is, in-universe, the most important part of the document. Sometimes it's easy, but it often requires a fair amount of thought.
 
Jack and Jill is kind of a bad example anyway because it was a money laundering scheme.
There are degrees and types of badness. For instance, there's the badness of a dumb action movie that's all explosions and special effects and shooting bad guys, the middle of the pack MCU movie. These are junk food movies that are maybe worth a watch and serve to turn your brain off for a while. There's nothing wrong with this in and of itself but if you watch nothing but this kind of stuff your brain gets fat and dumb.

Then there are bad movies where their sheer awfulness becomes a quality of its own, like Plan 9 from Outer Space or The Room. Generally, these movies require a certain level of sincerity. Just deliberately making a piece of shit is never satisfying. The fact that the creator's passion shines through the awfulness means you can genuinely sympathize with his failure. There's a humanity to something like an Ed Wood film, where you watch a terrible filmmaker fail, again and again, but he keeps on trying anyway. There's more to appreciate in something like Plan 9 than just laughing at a ridiculous lolcow of a director.

Then there is shit like Jack and Jill which should be classified as a hate crime.

Like I've said before, Kaktus has the education to write well when he wants to, but he knows that he doesn't have to, and he would rather factory farm samey articles for upvotes than write as well as he can.
I don't think most SCP writing really should be at a high academic level. It is for middle management types, giving them what they need to know to wrangle often half-retarded, sociopathic Class D personnel to do what is necessary to contain things they don't actually need to understand. They just need to do what they're told. If you don't need to know it, it's redacted, and if you're reading the redacted form of it, you're obviously not senior personnel yourself.
 
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I don't think most SCP writing really should be at a high academic level. It is for middle management types, giving them what they need to know to wrangle often half-retarded, sociopathic Class D personnel to do what is necessary to contain things they don't actually need to understand. They just need to do what they're told. If you don't need to know it, it's redacted, and if you're reading the redacted form of it, you're obviously not senior personnel yourself.
I was more referring to his ability to construct narratives than his ability to use technical jargon. That's mostly what I've been talking about this entire time, but I realize now looking at my previous posts that that's not super clear.
 
I fully and heartily fucking disagree with this. Knowing how and why everything comes together makes you appreciate the work even more. I've experienced it, people I know have experienced it, and I'm constantly reading about other people's experiences about how knowing the technicalities of something made them appreciate it and enjoy it more. You honestly couldn't be any more wrong.

They don't. They'll just say they don't want to think, turn their brain off and they'll tell you Shakespeare was better because its older. They don't have a fucking clue, because if they did, Jack and Jill wouldn't exist. People with shitty taste would, but if they had half an inkling why, the very bottom of the barrel would be different.

there's a difference between enjoyment or appreciation. I can even appreciate something without enjoying it. I can also enjoy shit, knowing it's shit, and still enjoy the entertainment it provides. high brow is not a requirement and never was, nor are are there sharp demograpic lines between high and low brow. same way a "genius" can still laugh about fart sounds and poop jokes.
 
You can tell from his podcasts that Kaktus is a true student of SCPs, the sort that can spout off the number if you start describing it. He definitely did it the right way, reading a lot before starting to write. He’s a long-time fanboy who whacks himself off every day because he got to the top of the hill he idolized.

Here’s where I found that claim; I think it is so familiar because it is part of a boilerplate reply for the draft forums. It may or may not be on an official guide, but as a sanctioned blanket response coming from Admins (this is Zyn), it is as official as that.
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This is a good but antiquated recommendation. It’s misleading given SCP’s current state. More and more of the prose is focused on flowery, subjective interpersonal dynamics than being true to a cold, clinical posture. Clinical posture is on the whole approached as something of a chore; a challenge, but not an opportunity; like the conprocs, paved over quickly to just get the box checked. The good authors take them to be an opportunity to flex. There are very few authors there who treat the intended limits of the clinical posture right and accept the challenge of making a captivating, emotionally engaging article while staying within them.
Hilarious, because scientists can't fucking write a good goddamn and its a BIG fucking problem. How do I know? I've read scientific articles, been in scientific writing courses that were mandated because nobody knew how to fucking write (I did so all I did was laugh. That was such an easy A. Though my professor got so exasperated I was used as basically the proof reader by the class). I teach aspiring scientists. I've read what they write.

So in general, scientists can't fucking write. Its the whole left brain-right brain thing.
I always enjoyed writing containment procedures. "What is this thing" was generally less important to me because I enjoyed a little bit of vaguery. "How to contain this thing, and what to do if you fail the first part" was way more fun to write.
I even did a test run if I was ever going to write one.

Goetia 20072012.B-X

This was found in the basement of the Georgetown University library, in an unmarked card board box. It was discovered by chance when a recruit was helping cleaning the library and noticed this object was unusually cold to the touch, even in the middle of summer with broken air conditioning. He brought it for inspection at our Kentucky office.

The object is 340.05 mm in length, 100.11 mm in with and 20 mm in height. The outer casing is composed of unmachined, 99.9% super-pure aluminum. It is two interlocking pieces, which produce a small hole about 100 mm in length on its right side, allowing outside access to the inner piece. The cases appear to have some form of attraction to each other as they 'lock' together as if they were magnetized, but show no evidence of being magnetized. The inside of the object is composed primarily of silicon and plastic on a circuit board. Typically the nomenclature we would use is 'printed', but as with the outside of the object, there is no evidence of manufacturing or machining at all.

The circuit board itself slightly levitates along the underside of the bottom aluminum 'box'. At first it was thought to be held by some mechanism or physical lock, it appears there is a 1 mm gap between every inch of the circuit board and the bottom of the aluminum housing. Despite all efforts, it seemingly cannot be removed from the bottom of the aluminum casing, even if it is not being held in place by anything. One agent got so frustrated he put a pair of pliers to the circuit board, and despite applying enough strength to break the board itself, it would not move. The agent was later written up and cited for a potentially dangerous action. After examining the board itself for damage, there was no indication that pliers had been used on it, nor any pressure applied. Everything remained intact, even though such boards are extremely delicate.

While it cannot be removed from the aluminum box, it can be examined. Not much microscopy can be done since it is effectively unable to be disassembled from the bottom aluminum cage. What was done indicated no evidence of any thermal damage to the solder at all. While some agents requested that the circuit board be hooked up to a power source, this request was denied as the consequences of such an action could not be predicted.

Analysis of the circuit board, despite protests, was ceased due to its unusual nature and resistance to physical change. Administration did not want to take a chance that even the slightest amount of electricity, specifically uncontrolled static electricity, might initiate some process on the board itself.

Though tests were still approved on the upper portion of the box. Experimentation on the material’s thermal conductivity revealed it to be 235.4 W/(m*k), actually slightly lower than average thermal conductivity of aluminum which is 237 W/(m*K). Further temperature experiments revealed that it heated and cooled as expected. However, when heated to the melting point of aluminum, temperature transfer simply stopped before any physical deformation. Absolutely no thermal expansion of any kind was registered, and the object was unchanged by the immense heat put upon it. Electrical conduction tests were within expected limits as well for its purity. However, there was no explanation for the coldness of the box itself, which remained at 26 degrees Celsius.

Thermal imaging indicated the box was always at room temperature and fluctuations in temperature was what were expected. Even placing hot or cold objects onto the aluminum registered an average transfer of heat. When placed into a rat colony for 24 hours, the entire colony avoided it as if it weren't there, in an equidistant ring of 500 centimeters. Because of the object's seemingly innocuous properties, agents began to handle it unprotected. One agent held it for 15 minutes, commenting it was 'not that cold'. After he placed it down, approximately three minutes later his left hand began manifesting symptoms of extreme frost-bite. Despite the best medical efforts of personnel on site, the agent required amputation of the left index finger as well as amputation of the left thumb. All organization personnel on site were warned once more of underestimating anomalous objects and those directly involved given citations for disregarding PPE safety protocols.

Though the injury of an agent on-site was unfortunate, the administration felt a need to continue with biological testing. Especially in light of the accident. The entire object was to placed in the hand of a medical cadaver for 72 hours, provided by the Georgetown University School of medicine. The recruit who first found the object was enlisted to preform the experiment. As it was summer break, an appropriate small laboratory was found where the experiment could be conducted safely and without interruption. However, after 72 hours had elapsed and the senior investigator came to see the results, the recruit was nowhere to be found. More alarmingly, the object, video recorder and cadaver were also gone.

No witnesses have identified the recruit leaving the Georgetown campus, though security cameras show him leaving in a hurry with a small bag one day after the experiment started. A search was mounted and soon after the recruit was found in his apartment, where he had apparently crudely hooked up the object to his desktop computer. The video recorder was next to the desktop. He was found in bed, unresponsive, eyes closed. His computer was non-functional. Upon inspection of the device, all of the components inside except for the object seemed to have been subject to extreme temperatures, well in excess of their ignition points. Despite this, there was no evidence of any fire. The video recorder also seemed to have undergone a massive amount of heat, so no experimental footage was found. The unresponsive recruit was declared deceased and his body brought to our facility for autopsy. The medical cadaver was not found, and continues to remain missing.

Upon external examination, his body showed no signs of trauma. The body was 28 degrees Celsius, so time of death was determined by witness testimony. It was determined that he died shortly after he left the Georgetown campus by interviewing a neighbor who heard a loud bang in the early morning hours, shortly after he arrived from the Georgetown campus. However, after being dead for 48 hours, the body showed no signs of rigor. Nor did it show pugilistic attitude, flexing of the arms and legs, as a body would display if they had died by extreme heat. For all intents and purposes, he was a healthy, 22 year old male Caucasian with no signs of trauma. However, once dissection started, underlying tissues were completely destroyed. Muscles displayed symptomology of fourth degree burns. Organs were charred and unrecognizable. The reason for his eyelids unable to be opened is because the eyes themselves had been completely gelatinized and melted, fusing the eyelids closed. When the brain was examined, the medical officer was quoted as saying: "Its like someone used his head to make a ****** stew."

The object itself was sealed in a lead box and the crude cables and wiring the physician used to hook it up to his computer were removed. Containment would have been fairly easy, except the object was lost in transit to our Missouri Field office from Kentucky.

Completed by ████████ on 4/20/2014

Addendum:

The agent who has written this entry has been declared deceased as of 23/12/2017. It seems he was the cause for the missing object. In light of this theft and the death of our recruit, our protocols have been strictly tightened. It is not understood how the agent of record was using it, though I ordered a thorough investigation of his financial records by the IRS. They reported massive financial deposits from untraceable marketplaces a year after the object went missing. He also owned several properties, one listed as a ranch in Montana, in which his remains were recovered. There is no record of him ever having been to Montana before or of him even seeing the property. Nor does he have family there. I ordered his movements for the past three years re-traced. Apparently, the only time before his death that was unaccounted for was three sick days in 2015.

What follows is only a hypothesis of the timeline of the event leading to his death. Shortly before it, he seemed very alarmed and suddenly took a week in vacation time, going to Montana, in the middle of December. It is unknown what time he entered his property, however two days after he took leave, a thermal anomalous event (See entry Golgotha 22122017.A-N for more details) occurred on his property. Since he lived alone in an isolated area there are no witnesses to the event itself. However, news reports from the area reported ‘unusual lights in the sky’ and the daily evening temperature rose about 10 centigrade in an area of 16 kilometers.

Upon investigation, the agent’s house and person had been instantly carbonized by the event. This was only known after gas chromatography was done on the remains. The object itself was found in the center of the event. It was unharmed. As for its temperature, it was 26 degrees centigrade.

I've had the object welded in a lead box and poured into the concrete base of a classified nuclear waste storage facility. To prevent any further temptations from those that might seek to profit off of our good works. The investigating agent's name is struck from our history, his records sealed and all his casefiles under my review. Don't mention him. Or I'll know.

- N. Laplace, 23/01/2018

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If you can guess what it was and what Mr. Carbon was using it for, I'll give you a cookie.

This really does apply to most things in the modern age -- faith, entertainment, hobbies, politics... Critical thought has been lost somewhere along the last few decades. Despite how common the observation is, spotting the similarities between ultra-authoritarian dystopian fiction and present day is still disquieting, and SCP is to me a perfect microcosm of this greater reality.
Critical Thought isn't really taught anymore. Critical Theory is taught in its place, because its a lot easier and more attractive. Why work on logic when just making your opinion, as dumbfuck as it is, reality? That's much more appealing. Because Critical Thought takes effort and energy. Critical theory? Well, you can make up whatever you want and its true and no one can contradict you. You don't have to look hard at anything at all.
there's a difference between enjoyment or appreciation. I can even appreciate something without enjoying it. I can also enjoy shit, knowing it's shit, and still enjoy the entertainment it provides. high brow is not a requirement and never was, nor are are there sharp demograpic lines between high and low brow. same way a "genius" can still laugh about fart sounds and poop jokes.
You caught yourself in a trap. You can appreciate it because you know the technicalities of it. I can too. A retard won't understand it and think its shit. It has absolutely nothing to do with high and low brow. Its about understanding and not understanding, as well as not wanting to. Plenty of low brow shit conforms to tight narratives and the same stuff that highbrow does. The contents are different, which is what makes it high and low brow. Just because its low brow doesn't mean it won't follow the same standards. I like a lot of lowbrow shit more because I can look at it and see its applying the same rules, just differently. Deadpool isn't fucking high art, but its a tight narrative and good writing and pacing. Has all the good technicalities of writing, while being low brow. You think John Waters is high brow? Please and that man is a fucking genius, because he knows and utilizes all the shit we're talking about. For the most base of content. Which is fucking beautiful.

So its not snobbery or high brow vs. low brow. Its choosing to be ignorant. It doesn't take a 200 IQ to understand this. It doesn't take a college education. Fuck, some of the best artists out there never went to college. Yeah, you can enjoy shit knowing its shit. Its called a guilty pleasure. The people we're talking about don't even want to try. Its the Rich Evans quote. "Dead for 90 minutes but eating popcorn."
 
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January 15, 2013 is that moment where the SCP Foundation Wiki lost its mojo.
How much would you say moose was instrumental, maybe responsible, for the explicit promotion and incorporating into to staff of LGBTQ individuals, based on those identities alone?

It seems the site was tilted very heavily in ways beginning with moose’s adminship.
 
How much would you say moose was instrumental, maybe responsible, for the explicit promotion and incorporating into to staff of LGBTQ individuals, based on those identities alone?

It seems the site was tilted very heavily in ways beginning with moose’s adminship.
Not very, moose cultivated strong voices in strong collaborative projects but it was always about good fiction, I think that the only influence moose had on people coming out was setting an example for others who felt the same way to follow. But moose always had both eyes on the writing, a Zyn in all but name.

Actually on second thought Moose did make bright stop reflexively denying every app that expressed an LGBT or other non-“mainstream” identifiers in the coup against Brights tyranny in 2012 so that may have been impactful but any impact it would have had was washed away in the CB surge that happened basically immediately after.
 
How much would you say moose was instrumental, maybe responsible, for the explicit promotion and incorporating into to staff of LGBTQ individuals, based on those identities alone?

It seems the site was tilted very heavily in ways beginning with moose’s adminship.
Considering how little Moose was actually around, practically not at all.
 
in the coup against Brights tyranny in 2012
Could you elaborate on this situation? I already knew that Bright had a history of purposefully denying applications from trans people (amazing that he has the audacity to call himself nonbinary these days), but what else was he doing?
 
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Could you elaborate on this situation? I already knew that Bright had a history of purposefully denying applications from trans people, but what else was he doing?
He was the only Admin who did anything so he was the ultimate authority for anything, but that was around when the first staff system was on its last legs so his actual influence and control was not like what staff is now. He was a petty tyrant but he was close enough to his constituents to not do purges or crackdowns and he backed down the moment moose and Troy roped in all the other admins to topple him. That was the start of the second major staff system shift and I was on the ground floor there I was the first person invited to #site67 for a long while before that point.

Moose and Troy worked behind the scenes and are both easily the most and possibly the only admins to positively influence the site, they weren’t in it for the glory and they eventually quietly burned out because they didn’t have the shallow kaktusian play-pool to get a Himmler-esque ego massage nor did they desire such.
 
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