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There's no reason to think that Covid isn't exact;y the same as the other 4 Coronaviruses that are endemic in people.

Catch a cold, produce antibodies that last a year to 18 months. Eventually immunity wears off and you become re-infected.

Good news T-cell immunity is a thing and the more times you're infected the less severe the symptoms.

The first pandemic wave is now ebbing, that's undeniable. Fuck vaccines, in South Africa they've gone from 20-30K cases a day to 1K and mortality has declined to negligible with almost no vaccinations, scary new variant and all.

If we'd left well alone the coof would have washed through the population, killed off a few hundred thousand fatties, and become an annoying cold bug.

We've decided instead to go for mass lockdowns, mask mandates and vaccines that don't vaccinate and we've still seen a few hundred thousand fatties kick the bucket.

You are right, but personally I think a large chunk of "reinfections" are bogus as of right now because of the obscene number of false positives thrown by the shitty tests earlier on. Everyone who has a sniffle (or hell, no symptoms whatsoever, because fuck it why not) has had tests pushed at them so even if the "second" case was legit I'm betting a lot of the "first" ones weren't.

To be honest I don't think the restrictions have even slowed it down a hell of a lot and that the "sudden" collapse in cases/deaths is just a little less politically motivated fuckery with the statistics. You could maybe attribute some of it to the vaccine campaign, I'm skeptical myself but far from sure either way. The one thing I cannot get to make sense regardless is why people who actually had it are being pushed to get the vax. They have the antibodies and obviously coof wasn't that dangerous to them anyway, so why waste what is supposedly a precious resource on them? A tacit admission that a shitload of "cases" were false positives? Still seems weird but fuck I don't know. Short of some cruel morbid curiosity on the part of the scientists I can't see another explanation.
 
You are right, but personally I think a large chunk of "reinfections" are bogus as of right now because of the obscene number of false positives thrown by the shitty tests earlier on. Everyone who has a sniffle (or hell, no symptoms whatsoever, because fuck it why not) has had tests pushed at them so even if the "second" case was legit I'm betting a lot of the "first" ones weren't.

To be honest I don't think the restrictions have even slowed it down a hell of a lot and that the "sudden" collapse in cases/deaths is just a little less politically motivated fuckery with the statistics. You could maybe attribute some of it to the vaccine campaign, I'm skeptical myself but far from sure either way. The one thing I cannot get to make sense regardless is why people who actually had it are being pushed to get the vax. They have the antibodies and obviously coof wasn't that dangerous to them anyway, so why waste what is supposedly a precious resource on them? A tacit admission that a shitload of "cases" were false positives? Still seems weird but fuck I don't know. Short of some cruel morbid curiosity on the part of the scientists I can't see another explanation.
I'll play Devil's advocate (but you're correct that vaccinating people who have recovered from Covid is batshit).

- Plenty of people will lie that they've had Covid to avoid the vaccines. Asking people to disclose private health info is against the law in many countries so there's no good way to know for sure.
- Antigen tests for Covid are essentially useless on an individual level.
- Covid has been circulating for over a year in the west (and likely much longer) so immunity may have worn off among some of the recovered.

Now that's assuming that T-cell immunity isn't a thing, which is ironic given the big selling point for the vaccines is that they provide T-cell immunity with less severe symptoms on infection.

As for the cycle thresholds for PCR testing. Yes you can make an apple test positive for Covid if you run it enough times, but that's mainly confined to the US with our fucked up health care system. We've incentivized positive tests, someone dies of cancer in a hospital? Test the body for the coof, run it 45 times and receive a big check. In other countries it's a non issue.
 
Good point. I forget its not like Florida everywhere. The governor has disallowed local fines and punishments against individuals and the has just recently disallowed local fines against businesses for non compliance. So in Florida now any store enforcing a policy is doing so by explicit choice and not coercion.
There's also "corporate says we have to enforce it"
 
You are right, but personally I think a large chunk of "reinfections" are bogus as of right now because of the obscene number of false positives thrown by the shitty tests earlier on. Everyone who has a sniffle (or hell, no symptoms whatsoever, because fuck it why not) has had tests pushed at them so even if the "second" case was legit I'm betting a lot of the "first" ones weren't.
It's amazing that we all know that the COVID tests spit out false positives AND they literally changed the definition of a positive a few weeks ago, and nobody is allowed to question this.

What is the percentage of false positives? Has ANYBODY asked this question? To be fair, there might not be a way to know for sure (if there was, we would just be using that test instead), but nobody is even allowed to bring it up.

Which is doubly bad when you say that anyone that even contract traces with a positive test should quarantine.
 
Sure, if it's 1% of people getting autoimmune disorders in 40 years, that's likely. But if it's 35% of people being susceptible to a weird cancer in 10 years, that's not going to be possible.
I think that at some point they'd admit it, but it will be like "What are you going to do about it, fuckers? We already gave the corporations and government a get out of jail free pass for any side effects, so cope with your misfortune. Those were dark times, sucks to be you!"

Then they just won't use the covid vaccine moving forward from that.

I mean, if it mostly kills older people by that point, they'd probably be happy. It will keep the social security pyramid scheme running for a bit longer since a bunch of people will have paid in and not be able to collect. Again, not saying that's planned, but it'd be like if you took out a loan from Johnny Kneecapper, but on his way to collect he was hit by a drunk driver and died. You might pay lipservice that you are sorry he's dead, but inside you're relieved that now he won't add your kneecaps to his tally.
 
There is also the factor of severity of the subsequent reinfections.
Even if you can catch it again, its likely that it would be less deadly a second time around. How many "reinfections" are actually causing deaths (which is a whole new can of worms) or severe hospitalizations versus how many "reinfections" are testing positive despite asymptomatic/mild illness?
There's no reason to think that Covid isn't exact;y the same as the other 4 Coronaviruses that are endemic in people.
You say this except that there are people who actually fucking believe that COVID is some new magic mystery virus with nothing known about it.
They'll just memory hole it and say that anyone that brings it's up is a conspiracy theorist.

Or they'll just deny it forever and claim that anyone that disagrees is anti-science. They do that shit all the time now. Medical doctors and scientists that disagree with Saint Fauci get banned on Facebook for "spreading misinformation."
Worse yet, revise history and bring up who Trump took credit for the vax & urged his supporters to get vaccinated to blame to cancer/birth defects/autoimmune*/etc. on Trump.
*(autoimmune more likely IMO)
I mean, if it mostly kills older people by that point, they'd probably be happy. It will keep the social security pyramid scheme running for a bit longer since a bunch of people will have paid in and not be able to collect.
If they wanted old people dead they wouldn't have put us through the ringer over COVID.
The fact is, "they" are old people.
They would rather young people risk severe depression and financial ruin than come to terms with their own mortality.
 
The problem is, my friend, there is practically NO place that isnt enforcing this, any that hasnt went bankrupt from all the fines.
Um... there are entire *states* that are open with no mask mandates. Even in garbage libtarded states like California and Jew York most of their rural areas also ignore most the bullshit.

Many people are moving to these areas to be free. Or you could keep waiting, any day now! :D
 
Saw this.
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So I google "when will we stop wearing masks",and of course Google being Google and Clown World being Clown World, seems almost all of them say being muzzled up will continue into 2022, even with the "holy vaccine". I recall one result claiming that it'll continue even after the "pandemic". When will this insane scamdemic "New Normal" over a mutated cold end? Can it even end at this point?

2020 really was a year from hell.
 
If they wanted old people dead they wouldn't have put us through the ringer over COVID.
The fact is, "they" are old people.
They would rather young people risk severe depression and financial ruin than come to terms with their own mortality.
They don't want to look bad in the moment, but they don't really care about people. They care about their image and being re-elected. Andrew Cuomo filled those old folks homes with covid patients. That doesn't sound like the act of a man trying to minimalized elderly deaths in practice.

Logan's running people would obviously not be a popular position. Being apathetic below the surface to people dying, or viewing it as political useful potentially (older people also tend to be more conservative), entirely possible.

Covid became a useful tool, and they can hand wring about it a lot for points, but in the end it really was less terrible and scary than the first videos out of China implied. It's not great, but it's also not apocalyptic. I don't think if the dems had been in charge they would have had better results, although we might have peaked faster and harder with their french kiss a chinaman campaign.
 
If you wear a mask in any place other than being made to at work at this point you are part of the problem. Store kicks you out? Go somewhere else.

I refuse to give these people my business at this point. Its beyond fear.
I go to the Spanish-run grocery since they don't give a shit. I never wear a mask other than at work (which was mandatory before COVID because of the chemicals and materials we work with).
 
You say this except that there are people who actually fucking believe that COVID is some new magic mystery virus with nothing known about it.
That's a paradigm in progressive research regarding medicine and related fields. It's also how they justify someone dying of a car accident or suicide as a COVID death, as there can be no distinction between severity, treatment, risks, other factors or different types of disease.
 
Um... there are entire *states* that are open with no mask mandates. Even in garbage libtarded states like California and Jew York most of their rural areas also ignore most the bullshit.

Many people are moving to these areas to be free. Or you could keep waiting, any day now! :biggrin:

Im glad to hear it but it seems that places are either going "Fuck it, lets open it" or "Fuck it, lets lockdown harder than we ever lockdown...ed..."

I sadly happen to be in the latter and Im filled with damn jealousy...and no I cant move away, especially with my businesses...
 
Jesus christ, that comment makes me want to cough in that person's face until they curl up in the fetal position and ree to make it stop.

First off, there are only four flu viruses that circulate through the US each year, and while they do mutate some over time, it's not enough to drastically change the impact of the virus. It's still the fucking flu. The vaccines each year are just the best guesses as to which specific variant is going to be most widespread, but it's not perfect. That said, if the currently spreading virus has antigenic similarity to the vaccine virus, then it should still work to confer immunity. So while research does need to be done to be aware of what's out there, even a slight miscalculation won't be the end of the world.

Second, as has been said countless times already, the real world isn't like Pandemic 2 or Plague Inc., especially since Madagascar has airports. A virus is not some cold and calculating killing machine that's plotting to determine how to kill the most people possible, it's a bundle of RNA and proteins that's just looking to propagate. The deadlier a virus is, the worse it is at passing itself from one person to the next. Either a person will self-isolate due to being sick, or they'll get killed off before they can pass it on to someone else. Thus, viruses have an evolutionary pressure to become less deadly and more transmissible because these traits are more likely to allow them to continue to reproduce. Viruses have mutated "out of our control" since the dawn of time, and in case you haven't noticed, we don't have a million different superAIDS viruses rolling around. Wonder if this moron even realizes the Spanish flu still exists today, just in a much more neutered form.

Third, this idiot seriously doesn't understand the problems with our own country's statistics and others'. We've run more tests than pretty much every other country on earth, so of course we're gonna have a bunch of big scary numbers, particularly since the media couldn't help but do a running tally every day to hurt the Bad Orange Man's reelection chances. And there have probably been a lot of false positives due to running those PCR tests far too much, as well as the already-admitted practice of treating deaths with the coof as deaths of the coof. Since the government's been handing out fat checks for every case, there's a financial incentive for hospitals to lie as much as possible and get as much money as they can.

Despite all this, I'd say we probably have the best overall picture of how the coof played out in our country, and while our response could have been better (by just fucking ignoring it), I'd still rather be here than most any other country. Lots of industry and infrastructure was mobilized in the early stages, even if most of it went unused (like Cuomo's murderboner making him abandon the hospital ship and field hospital to kill off more oldies). We haven't lived under prison state rules like the dumbfucks in Australia, New Zealand, or much of Europe, and states are increasingly relaxing restrictions while much of the rest of the world remains locked down. Although I continue to have qualms about their unknown long-term effects, we developed multiple vaccines in under a year and rolled them out nationwide, while many other nations have struggled to do the same. And all in all, our cases and deaths are not that bad, especially considering a nation of this size, and they continue to decline without keeping our whole population on lockdown. Even if you assume that every one of the 500k deaths are actually of the coof, that's still 0.1% of the population. With the true number likely being lower, it's tragic, but nothing worth the gross destruction of civil liberties and the economic hardships inflicted on the populace.

And sure, there have been countries with double digit deaths...y'know, countries with barely a few thousand people in 'em. I'll bet this moron actually believes that China's lockdowns actually did help them keep it below 100k cases, in a country with three times the population of the US crammed into a much smaller area.

Lastly, Fauci is a complete failure. He should go down in history as a totally incompetent buffoon that failed at handling four pandemics, but now that he's protected, that won't happen. Good on Rand Paul for holding him accountable.
 
My God I was just lamenting about these faggots who chimp about how "new" COVID is.
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What's even worse is that he/she/it calls the virus "Coronavirus", which is technically a family of viruses - a family which science has known about for decades.
I love how in an attempt to sound smart, these people accidentally expose that they're full of shit.
 
Despite all the screeching about how iTz nOt jUsT a fLu bRo, all this covid shit is following the seasonal infection pattern of Influenza really closely, even down to the retard-tier vArIaNtS shit. Here's the 2012-2013 influenza graph for Canada (a cold climate Northern Hemisphere country):
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So, you can see that in a typical year (for something we actually vaccinate for), it has a big surge of the main strain that peaks around the end of December/beginning of January, then drastically falls off until around March, when influenza A completely drops off, but Influenza B starts gaining traction, and it just sort of hovers at around last week of November numbers until it starts dropping in May, and is completely gone in June.

So, Biden, and all the politicos/doctors talking about the tHiRd wAvE mUsT lOcKdOwN, or how "we'll have vaccinated enough by the end of May" to have a cunt hair's worth of freedom restored are full of shit, and blowing smoke up everyone's ass. They know the seasonal curve of respiratory diseases, and that's why with countries with wide vaccine distribution, they've set this magical May date, since they know that naturally the number of infections will start to plummet to nil at that point naturally.

Same reason why in countries that don't have enough vaccinated people to use that as the reason why things are getting better are currently having 4 week lockdowns. If they lockdown until May, then the numbers will naturally start to drop, and then they credit their shitty lockdown as the sole reason the numbers went down.

Same reason all the countries pushed for the Christmas/January lockdowns. They know that the infection rate was going to naturally plummet, and they wanted to be able to have their shitty actions take all the credit.
 
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