General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Rob_Mercury]

I think you're proving my point about how angry people would get if they did say something political, and how funny it would be. Are you so humorless you don't want to see a meltdown?

I don't think everyone here is the type who "just wanna watch the world burn" and instead actually like having something that can get their minds off of our shit reality.

No one is saying cover wants anything to do with politics, but I do think that attitude is unsustainable.

Isn't the whole "go woke, go broke" meme based on the opposite?

H&M probably didn't want to say anything about xinjiang, but they had to. Cover has already had a run in with it in taiwan, with the extra paragraph about one taiwan being added to their announcement. People are never going to stop trying to get them to comment on politics, and eventually someone will make a mistake. The questions then are "who, over what, and what is the fallout?"

Forced into making a stance by wolf warriors is different then Adidas making pride themed clothing; it doesn't establish a pattern of behavior, doesn't mean much to Western fans other then "Nanking 2: Electric Boogaloo" and Japanese people aren't fond politically off the PRC so I don't see how they could lose them. It was a case of two people "offending" some of the most thin-skinned people on that part of the planet. The truth is that anyone who gets just as easily offended in the western hemisphere is too normie and casual in their media consumption to even bother with vtubing.
A good comparison would be vidya, where it has always been super big releases like GTA V or COD4 and MW2, and RDR2 that are very explicit in material that cause rampant butthurt among the moral crusaders and never something (comparatively) under the radar like Fallout; have you ever heard of people in the U.S. or Europe crying about the fact you can get turned into a gimp in Fallout 2? About the Legions slavery and overall treatment of women by them in New Vegas (both the game and on the Strip)? The closest we've gotten was general (and escalating) complaints from fans with 3, 4 and 76 when they released, but actual offense was taken in India (because of Brahmin being irradiated cows) and Japan because of the Fat Man (which they renamed Nuka Launcher) and with F3 specifically the fact you could nuke Megaton (a feature which they removed entirely).
Australia is an outlier because it has horrible censorship laws on the books that ruin everything fun.
Japanese politics are not Western politics; different tone, different issues, different culture. And like @kadmckool said even Keeki is having too good of a thing to ruin by making a grand stand on her soapbox like she probably would've done a year ago. Purely making an assumption about them, predicting they will spergout based on that assumption is and what that spergout would entail is, as a wise man once put it, gay as hell.

 

[Gravemind]

But all in all, Cover is still a Japanese Corpo. We've seen they're fuck ups. Its very Japanese Corpo, given they are a tech startup that ended up as an idol-streamer company. They are going to give zero fucks for SJW and politics.

At worst, they'll pay lip service to social justice (via the "all genders" language like in their recent audition calls), but that's about as sensitive-minded as they'll get.

God, even I'm hoping ALTE's still doing his whole "hard bait" shtick at this point, because these arguments are just getting increasingly retarded.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Didn't she say that she talked about her ideas with ame about this next arc? I'm gonna dive a few pages back.

Yeah, can't find it. So, make of that what you will

She mentioned consulting with "senpais" in her comeback video but not Ame specifically. It might be a misnomer since she's senior to even Sakura Miko, and it would be a little weird if she talked to Sora and Roboco and nobody else. Speculatively, the most likely source of a time-travel idea would be capeshit fan Shirakami Fubuki (her senior by one day, technically).

She also mentioned that they (obviously) thought of ideas that she couldn't. She also mentioned that she makes stuff up on the fly, a lot. Procrastinating things until her streams start because she's a masochist, in her own words. As if that wasn't obvious from the time she electroshocked herself for the lulz.

You know, your whole argument really falls apart on itself when you realize that "Hololive English" does not equate to "Hololive USA", right?

Just because dumb burgers have carte blanche to spout their self-righteous social justice mentality as loud as they possibly can on the internet doesn't mean it's going to completely affect Hololive's outreach to an English audience.

Remember: Parallel universe. This guy knows jackall about politics here. I'd rather believe he's LARPing than he's actually this wilfully ignorant to be honest.

I'd like to remind anyone affected by his doomposting that corporations literally only care about money. If China wants them to endorse genocide, they will do it because profits. If Cover wants to collab for mutual benefit they will accept because profits, unless someone throws enough money the other way. Which is not going to be the woke twitter types because you can distract them with a flick of the hand. The only question you should ask is "Can the company profit from it?" which they can.

 

[Biobreak]

I think you're proving my point about how angry people would get if they did say something political, and how funny it would be. Are you so humorless you don't want to see a meltdown?

No one is saying cover wants anything to do with politics, but I do think that attitude is unsustainable. H&M probably didn't want to say anything about xinjiang, but they had to. Cover has already had a run in with it in taiwan, with the extra paragraph about one taiwan being added to their announcement. People are never going to stop trying to get them to comment on politics, and eventually someone will make a mistake. The questions then are "who, over what, and what is the fallout?"

Meltdowns are fun and I'd say folks here don't have any qualms sitting back and watching it happen when shit does go down but doomposting about shit that hasn't happened yet is still faggotry though.

Besides, when it comes to these folks constantly on-cam, you usually see the meltdowns coming as behavioral indicators escalate and are highly visible on their content and social media (see the ongoing DigiBro saga).

Here are some scenarios I could see forcing some kind of response from cover:
- Big tech partner turns down a collab
- Denied permission to stream a new game (I could totally see Toby Fox doing this)
- YouTube starts burying them in search results.

- Collabs/Sponsorships are usually negotiated behind-the-scenes all the time and the only ones we really find out about are the ones that are eventually announced. I'd say they probably get turned down a whole lot during the exploratory stage. That's shit that's taken cared of by upper management though. Talent sperg-outs about collab fall-out that didn't even make it to their level is pretty much nil.
- They get game permissions denials all the time. It's run-of-the-mill issue at this point for them.
- They already have a contentious relationship with the YouTube algo. One more issue on the pile isn't going to drastically change things especially for the talents with an established audience/subs.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I actually expect the first thing that's going to come up is not "what is your political stance on X", but "why haven't you hired anyone who isn't asian or caucasian?"

That would require the person making the accusation to publicly facedox all of EN, which could attract some unwanted attention.

 

[The One And Only ALTE]

They're a fucking Japanese Corpo. Do you think they care about diversity quota? Bets are they hired the current EN gen based on:

But all in all, Cover is still a Japanese Corpo. We've seen they're fuck ups. Its very Japanese Corpo, given they are a tech startup that ended up as an idol-streamer company. They are going to give zero fucks for SJW and politics.

I didn't say they cared, I said other people care and will try to make them care, or cost them money for not caring.

I don't think everyone here is the type who "just wanna watch the world burn" and instead actually like having something that can get their minds off of our shit reality.

Isn't the whole "go woke, go broke" meme based on the opposite?

Forced into making a stance by wolf warriors is different then Adidas making pride themed clothing; it doesn't establish a pattern of behavior, doesn't mean much to Western fans other then "Nanking 2: Electric Boogaloo" and Japanese people aren't fond politically off the PRC so I don't see how they could lose them. It was a case of two people "offending" some of the most thin-skinned people on that part of the planet. The truth is that anyone who gets just as easily offended in the western hemisphere is too normie and casual in their media consumption to even bother with vtubing.
A good comparison would be vidya, where it's always super big series like GTA or COD that are very explicit in material that cause rampant butthurt among the moral crusaders and never something (comparatively) under the radar like Fallout; have you ever heard of people in the U.S. or Europe crying about the fact you can get turned into a gimp in Fallout 2? About the Legions slavery and overall treatment of women by them in New Vegas (both the game and on the Strip)? The closest we've gotten was general (and escalating) complaints from fans with 3, 4 and 76 when they released, but actual offense was taken in India (because of Brahmin being irradiated cows) and Japan because of the Fat Man (which they renamed Nuka Launcher) and with F3 specifically the fact you could nuke Megaton (a feature which they removed entirely).
Australia is an outlier because it has horrible censorship laws on the books that ruin everything fun.
Japanese politics are not Western politics; different tone, different issues, different culture. And like @kadmckool said even Keeki is having too good of a thing to ruin by making a grand stand on her soapbox like she probably would've done a year ago. Purely making an assumption about them, predicting they will spergout based on that assumption is and what that spergout would entail is, as a wise man once put it, gay as hell.

There's some interesting points here. I do agree the situation is not exactly the same as the Chinese situation where the government has such a strong interest in the political stances of foreign companies. Nor do I think that it is japanese politics or sensibilities that is going to cause this issue. I think you hit on something good with your comments about videogames though. What was one of the things that actually got holo some mainstream recognition? The girls dropping n-bombs because of GTAV. Some of the games they play are going to bring up political issues either through game content or the girls reactions to it.

I agree that it would not be in Kiara's best interests to start trouble, but all it takes is once. I'm arguing more from a statistics point of view here. Even if the chance of a mistake happening is small, as the number of people they hire increases, and given the number of hours each one of them streams, you are going to get something eventually.

None of this is likely to "end vtubing", but it could result in a messy blowup for one of the branches. I'm also kind of surprised the muzzies haven't reacted more to the holo ID girls, but I guess mullahs aren't watching that content.

 

[Gravemind]

That would require the person making the accusation to publicly facedox all of EN, which could attract some unwanted attention.

That just gave me the somewhat realistic mental image of one of these brain-rotted internet dwellers, with consideration to that fact, moving the goalposts over to "THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DARK-SKINNED MODELS, MUH DIVERSITY" as an argument, which I find funny.

Partly because it's a very stereotypical warcry at this point. Partly because Flare AND Oga exist. And maybe Aruran, since he's a bit tanned too.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I'm also kind of surprised the muzzies haven't reacted more to the holo ID girls, but I guess mullahs aren't watching that content.

I don't think the Iranians have much to do with day-to-day life/religious practice in ID, especially given that 99% of ID Musselmen are Sunni (edit: and so disconnected from middle eastern practice that a lot of them are hazy on the distinction).

 

[Groundpounder]

I actually expect the first thing that's going to come up is not "what is your political stance on X", but "why haven't you hired anyone who isn't asian or caucasian?"

this , this is what i worried about , tbh i can see this happening and become a problem, maybe not gen 2 but probably gen 3 (if hololive still a thing) and if there still not hiring other race beside asian and white (which mean they need to actually doxxing them all to prove a point). and just hiring some niggaz not gonna solve it , if they hired one and then all of twitter gonna force her to speak about it and no way in hell she wouldn't, and fired her after that statement gonna be a bad pr on the west.
i know hololive is small and new to get attention from the normies but you know how media roll this day, anything trending in twitter is news worthy for them, and hololive become a trending topic is nothing new, i'm happy if i proven wrong and this just my autistic sperg ,but this scenario it not completely impossible

 

[AlphaKilo]

How many times do we have to explain that Japanese companies gives no fuck to Western politics, especially those in the entertainment industries?

 

[kuuu]

Gonna get me a dead horse for a punching bag.

 

[Gravemind]

How many times do we have to explain that Japanese companies gives no fuck to Western politics, especially those in the entertainment industries?

But they'll lose the money if they're not forced to care! What, you think OTHER Japanese companies don't care either? Look at... Uh... Sony! Even Sony JP is not safe from the SJWs!

 

[Biobreak]

Gonna get me a dead horse for a punching bag.

I'm done drinking coffee for the day, but I still snorted it out of the nose with this comment. Well-done.

 

[I am not here]

Spoiler: Me being baited and losing my shit on race, sjws and Cover

I didn't say they cared, I said other people care and will try to make them care, or cost them money for not caring.

>points at West Taiwan
>points at their attempt to cost Cover money
>points at Yagoo, Coco, and everyone else wiping their tears in the good old greenback

What do you think SJWs are gonna cost Cover? More than what China possibly could've? Cover literally had their entire China foothold burned to the ground thanks to the bugmen who decided to scorch earth everything (from translated clips to stream archives to sponsorships to becoming persona non grata on Bilibili/the Great Firewall).

Besides, we've seen this almost happen with Noel on reddit. The redditors there dogpiled on whoever was the dumbfuck who said "Sexy overseas guys" was noninclusive. Any dumbfuck who has used data analytics knows you use your greatest stat point. Noel probably has a high Male viewership, bets are Noel knows this, we know this, anyone with a dick and faps to 2D knows this. If the spergs on reddit know how to dogpile on someone trying to correct Noel, I highly doubt any kind of race/political correctness/SJW is gonna change that.

Fuck, the trannies, fat lesbos, "friends of Asians, Blacks, etcetc" can protest infront of Cover for all I care. They are most likely gonna matter as much as the turd I shat out this morning.

whatever the fuck this black people being hired bs is. Please look below

How many times do we have to explain that Japanese companies gives no fuck to Western politics, especially those in the entertainment industries?

Japanese companies are notoriously racist. Japan itself is the definition of accepted racism nationwide. There are as many black people in Japan as there are fucks I give about Cover trying to become SJW-friendly, which is very little to fuck all. White people are treated like a rare specimen still. All those white youtubers who have alot of Japanese interactions? Carefully cheorographed and in an area where alot of foreigners exist. I'm I am willing to bet my left nut, my favorite nut, on if Cover does hire a black person, they are likely either a Japan-born black or naturalised. Cover ain't gonna take a chance with some Sistah Girl who's gonna gush about being a black power female in a sea of female asian Vtubers (cause c'mon.. they're all people of color and friends right? RIGHT?).

That just gave me the somewhat realistic mental image of one of these brain-rotted internet dwellers, with consideration to that fact, moving the goalposts over to "THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DARK-SKINNED MODELS, MUH DIVERSITY" as an argument, which I find funny.

Partly because it's a very stereotypical warcry at this point. Partly because Flare AND Oga exist. And maybe Aruran, since he's a bit tanned too.

Spoiler: Aruran is part Italian. The Familia takes care of their own. Cause yknow. Pizza and pasta.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Good doompost topics:

• Cover's godawful middle management
• Fame and its consequences
• Relatively limited growth potential of the industry
• Overwork and stress
• [Name here]'s legitimate mental issues
• [Name here]'s legitimate health issues
• Reverse gender wage gap
• What if YouTube fucks them over

Bad doompost topics:

• She's fat IRL guys (who gives a shit what they look like IRL)
• Politics (who gives a shit)
• Antis (a fucking joke at this point)
• Artists (multiple have gone berserk, to little effect)
• What if a troon joins (Cover owns all their accounts)
• "Meltdowns" (unless it's worse than the N-word, who gives a shit)

 

[Bingeamint]

Blatant hypocrite Well done, I was just gonna write something like this out. No point making up our own shit for no reason. Just want to watch my dumb entertainment which the girls provide and humour me with and discuss decent topics with you guys.

 

[Gravemind]

Besides, we've seen this almost happen with Noel on reddit. The redditors there dogpiled on whoever was the dumbfuck who said "Sexy overseas guys" was noninclusive. Any dumbfuck who has used data analytics knows you use your greatest stat point. Noel probably has a high Male viewership, bets are Noel knows this, we know this, anyone with a dick and faps to 2D knows this.

But how can you be sure that Noel knows exactly how to cater to her target audience? It's not like she has previous experience doing something, like, lewd ASMR or anything of the sort!

Oh. Wait.

 

[kuuu]

I'm done drinking coffee for the day, but I still snorted it out of the nose with this comment. Well-done.

Cheers.

I like when, uhh.. certain types of communities self moderate just by applying common sense to problems and not letting less brighter individuals make cancer out of moles.

Better luck next time, eh.

 

[I am not here]

But how can you be sure that Noel knows exactly how to cater to her target audience? It's not like she has previous experience doing something, like, lewd ASMR or anything of the sort!

Oh. Wait.

It's not like she's got real boobas as big as her model right? Right??
And its not like she's use her boobs for a a titfuck asmr right? Right?? (ok this one I admit, is a lil foggy in my memory)

 

[kadmckool]

this , this is what i worried about , tbh i can see this happening and become a problem, maybe not gen 2 but probably gen 3 (if hololive still a thing) and if there still not hiring other race beside asian and white (which mean they need to actually doxxing them all to prove a point). and just hiring some niggaz not gonna solve it , if they hired one and then all of twitter gonna force her to speak about it and no way in hell she wouldn't, and fired her after that statement gonna be a bad pr on the west.
i know hololive is small and new to get attention from the normies but you know how media roll this day, anything trending in twitter is news worthy for them, and hololive become a trending topic is nothing new, i'm happy if i proven wrong and this just my autistic sperg ,but this scenario it not completely impossible

Regardless if we have some black chick down the line among the line up (if she play a white skin character to rub salt in injury). I’ll say every talents would undergone some sort of finance training before debut so they know where’s the money actually come from and stay away from those Twitter stans nonsense.
Regardless who you are, you either follow the money or follow trend in hope of getting money in the end. For example, like a certain smooth brain, who put gorilla glue on her hair to get donation money because her reason is that she got oppress by patriarchy or white oppression etc.

Chasing money is the game in the end, so even if we have some black down the line, I can see that they would rather post about cat, dogs, trendy movies etc on their roommate account like Keeki.

Keep in mind, Keeki, in the end, is everything Twitter SJWs against. She white, decent look, red head, model like figure (vs land whales with 7 colors hair).
Keeki probably realize this as well hence she had been focus more on her cats and news about manga or anime lately (I suppose getting those juicy money really shut her up).