Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[NormieCasual]

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Even his fellow troons are calling him out for lying

That's just Rose of Dawns brand. You know being an ugly UK version of Blair White.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

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I'm honestly kind of shocked that a surprisingly high number of the replies are devoted to tearing him a new asshole about this. I guess the Nazis and TERFs decided to brigade this tweet.

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Lolno, I'm proud of them and you should be too

Brutal!

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

And Olly was at his house wasn't he? He knows where Nyk lives.

Doesnt matter who you are, if you have someone whose so obsessed with you they basically become you, and they know where you live, you would be freaking out

 

[Tombigbee]

“I’m not doing trans content, this is Philosophy Tube, a place for serious philosophy!”

Also -

“Get exclusive access to my lewks, by giving me more cash. Ooo and ahh over my over-the-top outfits and ironical bourgeois posing and aspirational delusions. Read my comment section for in depth Jim Jones-esque commentary on how pretty I am while ‘Hegel,’ ‘Foucault,’ and ‘Baldwin’ flash apropos of nothing in the corner. This is Philosophy Tube!”

 

[El Sátiro Sordo]

I stated a year or so ago that PT was going to troon out. I feel odd having been vindicated in my suspicions, since back in the day I truly believed that Ollie was just a nice guy groomed into the cult that is breadtube. Under this assumption, his fall from normalcy into troonery would suggest to me he is nothing but another victim of the deathcult that are trans subreddits and /lgbt/. The truth has shown itself to be quite different. His now long lost reasonable opinions on freedom of speech, his attempt at stand up comedy and, of course, his coming out video have changed the perception I had of his character.

He is obviously a narcicist. If he ever goes 41% I'm sure he will leave behind a manifesto not unlike Elliot Rodger's. He is a terrible actor, and his attempts at comedy are just painful. He is not autistic enough to not realize that, so I assume it's just him facking until making it, convinced that his followers will validate him no matter what. In his video about "the experts" he goes headfirst against Jordan Peterson,; a lolcow in his own right that has been ridiculed in every way possible by his adversaries and himself. There was no reason for doing so except making himself sound smarter by picking an easy target. Inviting that overdressed and flamboyant gay man, whose name I couldn't care less what it is, suggests, at least to me, that his motivations are very juvenile; trying to be right no matter what. Back in the day, circa 2010, I was 16 and a new atheists; my motivations for being so were no different than those of Olly's; I wanted to be right, and to feel better than other people by the sole merit of believing the right things. This might sound simplistic but I think the whole breadtube thing, just like the skeptics before them, can be fully explained just like that.

Olly, and other breadtubers; some of them very young zoomers, remind me of Aku no Hana's protagonist (yes, this cursed day is taking it's toll on me). Youngsters that read obscure authors they do not understand. They make those authors' words their own, and the mere act of reading them part of their identity, and immerse in the maelstorm that is youth they decide to deal with uncertainty in the most destructive way; by rebelling for the sake of it. At the end life happens, the waters calm down, and one finally understands these texts and ideas in a more mature way.

Ollie and his clout are a cautionary tale of what happens when you don't grow up. It's also a cautionary tale of what misogyny can do to a man: you have to have a really distorted and unhealthy picture of what a woman is in order to transform yourself into some stereotypical femme fatale or a bimbo and consider yourself a woman by virtue of being desired by a group of men; most of which are fetishists and porn addicts. That infantile way in which they think normal women behave and how everything, if done in a "womanly" way, arouses them is just plain disgusting.

 

[Vlinny-kun]

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“I’m not doing trans content, this is Philosophy Tube, a place for serious philosophy!”

Also -

“Get exclusive access to my lewks, by giving me more cash. Ooo and ahh over my over-the-top outfits and ironical bourgeois posing and aspirational delusions. Read my comment section for in depth Jim Jones-esque commentary on how pretty I am while ‘Hegel,’ ‘Foucault,’ and ‘Baldwin’ flash apropos of nothing in the corner. This is Philosophy Tube!”

Reminds me of the rich class in the hunger games.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

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“I’m not doing trans content, this is Philosophy Tube, a place for serious philosophy!”

Also -

“Get exclusive access to my lewks, by giving me more cash. Ooo and ahh over my over-the-top outfits and ironical bourgeois posing and aspirational delusions. Read my comment section for in depth Jim Jones-esque commentary on how pretty I am while ‘Hegel,’ ‘Foucault,’ and ‘Baldwin’ flash apropos of nothing in the corner. This is Philosophy Tube!”

Making an obvious effort to hide the large man feet I see.

It's such a fake exaggerated stereotype of women, a drag queen.

Funny how he goes on about the rich yet is always posing in opulent places. He's trying way to hard to be the British contra

 

[Red_Squirrel]

Funny how he goes on about the rich yet is always posing in opulent places. He's trying way to hard to be the British contra

Considering his background, lavish settings are probably his normal. I’d put money on him never having stepped foot in a council house.

 

[Luna Mothews]

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“I’m not doing trans content, this is Philosophy Tube, a place for serious philosophy!”

Also -

“Get exclusive access to my lewks, by giving me more cash. Ooo and ahh over my over-the-top outfits and ironical bourgeois posing and aspirational delusions. Read my comment section for in depth Jim Jones-esque commentary on how pretty I am while ‘Hegel,’ ‘Foucault,’ and ‘Baldwin’ flash apropos of nothing in the corner. This is Philosophy Tube!”

Well don’t be silly! Now that olly is a girly girl womanly woman he’s not gonna do serious philosophy, he’s gonna try on costumes and sit there and look pretty. That’s what real women do right?

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

That infantile way in which they think normal women behave and how everything, if done in a "womanly" way, arouses them is just plain disgusting.

Fucking nailed it.

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

same energy

 

[Not Karl Marx]

That plus the way Nyk stutters throughout the whole thing is really unsettling. There is either some really big drama we don’t know about, or contra really doesn’t want to lose the troon queen of bread tube spot.

Contra's response is really weird. You can see the moment she realises what the question is about because her whole demeanour changes, then she conspicuously doesn't use pronouns. Discussion is banned in her sub for transparently bullshit reasons and the mods also don't use names or pronouns for Olly/Abigail on the thread about it (though it's less obvious there), or even acknowledge the situation except with a vague reference to 'the news'. In her circles this is dangerously close to denying PT's valid lived womanly truth, and having already once provoked the wrath of trans twitter for someone else's alleged gatekeeping, she must be aware that it could easily blow up into a huge shitstorm if someone decides to call her out on it. And yet even though she'd clearly rather the whole thing disappeared, she's doesn't even seem comfortable playing along with a bland statement like "We're not really friends anymore but I'm happy for her", which would be the safest way to ensure no-one gets on her back about it. I'm sure she's used 'she' without hesitation for truly scummy people like Yaniv in the past, so there's got to be more to this than just not being a fan of the guy.

I'll freely admit I'm biased because I like Contra's videos (the JK one aside) and there's something about PT that I've always found repellent, but if there's more to the rumours that he creeps on her than schizo chan speculation, I wonder whether this is connected to her 'coming out' - like, "Oh, you're only into women? Why, what an extraordinary coincidence, I was secretly a woman ALL ALONG". It would be terrifying enough to have someone change sex to try and either become you or get in your pants, even without tens of thousands of people worshipping them for being a beautiful brave queen because of their deranged stalking, and also knowing you can't say anything about it without all those people screaming that you're a delusional transphobe who should be burned at the stake.

I mean who knows, that's also total speculation and maybe Contra just thinks PT's a grifter and is mad about it.

All of this is to say, I think Oliver grew up keenly aware of his privilege and is compensating for it in his adult life.

This is 99% of the big youtube leftists imo. PT is the most blatant and Contra seems to have a lot of genuine issues, which is why I find them the least and most sympathetic respectively.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

This is 99% of the big youtube leftists imo. PT is the most blatant and Contra seems to have a lot of genuine issues, which is why I find them the least and most sympathetic respectively.

The problem with this is they usually choose the worst ways to compensate for it. As many people argue, Olly here is a wonderful example of a champagne socialist complete with all the usual accessories.

 

[Not Karl Marx]

The problem with this is they usually choose the worst ways to compensate for it. As many people argue, Olly here is a wonderful example of a champagne socialist complete with all the usual accessories.

Yup, and anyone who's spent more than ten minutes around normal people can see right through it. That's why the vast majority of their fans are either young college kids or people who'd previously spent their life in a different internet echo chamber (see all the "I was an alt-right extremist until breadtube deradicalised me!!" fan posts).

I do have some sympathy with PT - Britain is an acutely class-conscious country, and if he's always had that accent he'd have stuck out by miles growing up in Newcastle. The only way to get over your middle-class liberal angst is by mixing a lot with people from different backgrounds and realising that anyone sane doesn't give nearly as much of a shit about your childhood as you think, but good luck meeting a diverse array of people with better things to do than navel gaze as a philosophy student and drama club member at St Andrews. But even so, to still be publicly LARPing as a class warrior in your late 20s is just embarrassing.

 

[Freya]

isn't really trans.

Loooool stfu

 

[The Omni Cuckold]

What is trans really? Being homosexual but coming from a family/community where homosexuality isn't accepted?

Someone who likes attention but doesn't have a real personality that is attractive to others?

Some guy with a fetish?

 

[Shaka Brah]

What is trans really? Being homosexual but coming from a family/community where homosexuality isn't accepted?

Someone who likes attention but doesn't have a real personality that is attractive to others?

Some guy with a fetish?

The latter two mainly. Also people who were serially abused or gaslit into the cult, either by homosexuals of their sex (sexual abuse leads to gender dysphoria) or trannies convincing them to do it.

 

[El Sátiro Sordo]

Yup, and anyone who's spent more than ten minutes around normal people can see right through it. That's why the vast majority of their fans are either young college kids or people who'd previously spent their life in a different internet echo chamber (see all the "I was an alt-right extremist until breadtube deradicalised me!!" fan posts).

I do have some sympathy with PT - Britain is an acutely class-conscious country, and if he's always had that accent he'd have stuck out by miles growing up in Newcastle. The only way to get over your middle-class liberal angst is by mixing a lot with people from different backgrounds and realising that anyone sane doesn't give nearly as much of a shit about your childhood as you think, but good luck meeting a diverse array of people with better things to do than navel gaze as a philosophy student and drama club member at St Andrews. But even so, to still be publicly LARPing as a class warrior in your late 20s is just embarrassing.

The "ex-alt-right" were never "true believers" so to speak. People on this site like to say that once you are redpilled you can't go back, but I believe something different. I believe that most people within these echochambers couldn't care less about their doctrine. Rather, as I said previously, this is an exercise on being "right", which in this context means going with the strongest tribe on youtube/reddit/twitter. If r/neoliberal ever becomes as popular as breadtube, 100% guarantee they are going to flock there. If this happens all the "true believers", which are usually autistic or socially inept in some way, are going to become the lolcows of the new Internet fad. That's why you see previous skeptics laughing at the "Intellectual Dark Web" as if only stupid people could like that when, in fact, the skeptics and the IDW are one and the same.

 

[N U]

What is trans really? Being homosexual but coming from a family/community where homosexuality isn't accepted?

Someone who likes attention but doesn't have a real personality that is attractive to others?

Some guy with a fetish?

I'm a transgender woman, and it really isn't any of those things. Transgender people are just individuals who feel more comfortable presenting as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. I was assigned male at birth, but I identify as a woman, so therefore I'm a transgender woman. I do have fetishes, but being a woman isn't one of them. I get how it can be hard for cis people to understand what it feels like to be trans, but there's really nothing perverted or harmful about it. I'm not saying that people like Abigail and Contrapoints aren't kind of narcissistic and weird, because they totally are, but it's not because they're trans. I mean, there are plenty of egocentric and perverted cisgender people, so it makes sense that there would also be lots of transgender people with similar flaws.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

They are so desperate for independence that they will adopt anything they perceive as the opposite of England. England care about the safety and well-being of children so Scotland has to troon out.

Partly joking but grains of truth. Though they've pissed off A LOT of people with the hate crimes law. I predict troons will cause Scottish Independence to collapse, like they did the UK Labour Party.