Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out

So what's your deal, anyway?

  • I used to be a fan of PK's and was already a Kiwi

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  • I made an account just to post in this thread

    Votes: 265 8.8%
  • I was never a fan of PK's but this shit fascinates me

    Votes: 1,326 44.1%
  • This thread is a fucking circlejerk trainwreck and I wanna watch

    Votes: 1,178 39.2%

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So while there is nothing really explicit with that comic, Haychel did have a separate NSFW pokeporn tumblr. But he was good about keeping it separate and only viewed by those who sought it.
No, he wasn't, he made an image advertising it on his deviantart, and he actually used to link to it in his description (against DA's terms of service), I actually went to report him on it, but PK told him in the comments (because a friend of theirs had gotten a banning spree) that can get him banned so he removed it. However, he kept the image advertising his tumblr and telling people how to find it. He was also into Kiddie Porn I recall. He also made a ton of weird and questionable images after that he posted to his DA, if I recall correctly. (Basically he didn't keep the questionable images off of DA for moral reasons, he was totally happy to do that, he did it because he didn't want to be banned.)

The R-18 comic was by an artist named Reshiram, iirc. The pages they posted made this more of a parody of a yuri comic than anything. There were only 6 pages drawn and no sex was actually shown. Sure the pokemon looked risque, but the comic itself was not risque.

The person's name is Reshidove, they were also one of PK's kiss asses (they're actually in some of the comment chains defending PK I think) and loved Pokeporn (also, didn't they post the comic elsewhere? I might be wrong on this). I recall Reshidove causing a lot of problems, or defending PK often.
 
I have never seen anything about Marl besides when PK mentions him. Does he has a Tumblr or DA account?
 
I have never seen anything about Marl besides when PK mentions him. Does he has a Tumblr or DA account?

He does have a DA account, but there's not much on there other than Floraverse templates and the like. As we've discussed before, Marl seems to intentionally lurk in the shadows and doesn't interact with the general public as much as PK and Eevee do.

EDIT (to avoid double posting): Did some more research and found something particularly interesting; I'm assuming it's an old FA message of some sort (hence "YiffyLeaks") involving Marl barring someone named TORA (who's apparently a pedophiliac fursuiter) from going to his and PK's wedding. Not quite sure what this means, but if Marl was banning him because of his criminal record then I gotta say he's quite the hypocrite ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Did she forget who the actual protagonists of the comic were
Yes.

I give Beleth a few more months before they are fazed out for another self-insert.

Half of me wonders if this is where that "non-binary" mess came from, merely having a male (?) character as a self insert. Seems shallow enough.
When Beleth was first made, they were described as being "agender/asexual/aromantic" who also "ran" a gender/sex blog. Don't ask me how such a character who is "a-"everything is a good choice to be a figurehead for PK's thoughts on gender and sex.
 
Christ, PK seems to be the living embodiment of can of worms. Lures people with somewhat appealing art but once you get deeper, something starts to smell bad.

It's kinda disheartening to see that the favorite artist of my childhood turns out to be such a despicable person. Oh well. Least I can do is to mention the sources here if someone mentions PK in a conversation with me
 
Looking at all this crap PK shits out, I have to ask: Why does she want to expose pervy stuff to underage audiences? Is it just a fetish, or is it something worst?
 
Well she mentioned that she really likes the idea of older women "teaching" younger boys about sex or summat, combined with the fact that Marl's free to creep on the underage unchecked, I'd say it's both fetish and something worse.

Honestly, benefit of the doubt just isn't worth it.
 
Oh my God that Full Moon comic.

"I just - wanna - DESTROY - her!"

*licks cheek then proceeds to have sex both characters enjoy*

Rofl, there's no cohesion here, what a shitty narrative. Why is it so difficult to write porn that isn't just foul language thrown everywhere?

Also the characters hate each other. That is clear. Alice abuses Jacklyn, Jacklyn is not only abused by that whore of a cat but is also blackmailed. Then, suddenly, in the other comic, out of freaking nowhere, Jacklyn wonders if Alice is fine. Like, really? Is this character supposed to have Stockholm Syndrome or is just PK terrible at character development?

Yeah, don't answer that.

I honestly hope I was the only one who read Alice's voice as one of those pervy japanese girls from hentai series because, Jesus Christ how horrifying. The "nya" accompanying her laughter only makes it worse.

How I hate that character. She's loud, obnoxious, bratty, a pervert and an abuser. I have yet to find a character more punchable. No wonder it's one of PK's self-inserts.
 
Why is it so difficult to write porn that isn't just foul language thrown everywhere?

I mean, if it's showing fucking, it's not that out of place for somebody to say "fucking."

... That's really the only defense I got for this comic.
 
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Alice abuses Jacklyn, Jacklyn is not only abused by that whore of a cat but is also blackmailed. Then, suddenly, in the other comic, out of freaking nowhere, Jacklyn wonders if Alice is fine.

It just occurred to me that this could correlate to the real life PK. I'm not sure if Marl abuses PK, but he's definitely groomed her in this manner. And PK definitely grooms others in this manner as well. The thought just occurred to me if PK has any characters that have a healthy, romantic relationship with each other....
 
Jesus, even in her rapey porn it's just constant yelling at one another! Are PK characters ever not angry anymore?

(Also, since the "Buckley" face is represented as B^U or just BU, what would be a good representation of the PK angry face? >:8 ? D8< ?)

EDIT: There's another count of "how that comic counts as rape": Deliberately altering someone's mental state with a drug (ie potion) to coerce them into sex.
 
Big Master Post Of: What Is It About PMD Groups That Attracts Crazy? (And can we stop feeling bad for them now?)

Right so.

First and foremost, Haychel, a guy who was active in a lot of PMD groups. He was loved by a lot of them (including the admins).

He started drawing porn in PMD-E as previously mention. He's also super creepy in his own right (he's also a huge fan of kiddie porn as well).

Let's start with this:

https://archive.is/wffi1
https://archive.is/ovnCm

It may seem cute enough (ignoring the description), until you realize it's fetish and he has drawn himself (as in him, as a human) having sex with that little Riolu (who is named Leon and canonically a child) a lot. And I mean a lot. He has a huge fetish for Riolu and Lucario and constantly draws them sexualized (they're always weirdly sexualized, even if the context doesn't call for it). He especially has a fetish for the character of Leon, and constantly draws him in pornographic or questionable situations.

Lucario images:

https://archive.is/1I6nE
https://archive.is/7ijTO
https://archive.is/JRnoe

"Mega-strippers":

https://archive.is/O1QBd

Bonus:
Art of an underage character:

https://archive.is/D9iML
Look at that description.
Just bonus:

https://archive.is/A9tKh
https://archive.is/Qoi3E
https://archive.is/aD48O

(None of these were mature tagged, for the record.)

Now I understand a lot of these were commissions (not all), but he has a commission tumblr, and a porn tumblr, they did not need to be posted here.

Also, another thing of note is I recall Haychel mentioning drawing porn allowed him to have better art/poses/anatomy, as he was trying out poses he wasn't before (a terrible idea that never works. Nudes are not porn. There's a difference.). His art suffered for it heavily, the poses were awkward and out of place (or flat out didn't fit the scene). Just everything worked less and was less more dynamic and just more awkward.

And even his normal art just started to reek of fetish:

https://archive.is/GBYVU
https://archive.is/ERtf0

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PMDU: No Seriously, Can We Stop Feeling Bad For These Guys Now?

Well Sundance is back.

Now, let's make a scenario, you put in a lot of hard work drawing or writing a story where you have to capture a Ninja. Drawing out a comic, writing out a story. You put your free time and effort into it.

And I am going to post these exactly as they were to the group, with no warnings or spoilers:
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fac33214b23e7552e0329f55f805130726585305.png

f80a5406b0ec43a542ad3bf31e175326386bea2f.png

(Look at where those action lines are.)

Now imagine you were a rape/abuse victim. And you helped catch them, and then put them through this (as an abuse victim, I'm shaking just looking at this, if I had taken part in this, I would have had a break down.). And guess what? Sundance has a huge rape and BDSM fetish.

And Sundance's response to if you take issue with it? Well, what do you know, exactly the same as PMD-E's if you took issue with Merlot:

https://archive.is/DYFsE
https://archive.is/AgZKX
https://archive.is/iSe6C
https://archive.is/chMu0
("Kill La Kill did it", Kill La Kill is not for kids, Sundance! It's not even really for 13+. And it was heavily for sexual reasons, and frankly had a lot of problems. It is not an excuse for posting fetish stuff in a group that allows underage users.)

Including using Merlot as a defense (remember how he took jabs at Merlot and called that out? Oh, well, it's different when he does it. Isn't that familiar?).

Sundance has even stated he can't keep his fetish out of his works. And that's becoming evidently clear.

He's also an avid defender of his rape being OK, and why his rape characters are fine and normal (and why it's different when they do it). Including saying this to and in front of rape victims.

He's also hugely into cubporn (similar to Haychel and PK), especially the non-consensual kind:

https://archive.is/eGcSq

Which only makes this more horrifying:
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Now on debut he's seen eating and being treated nicer because he's a kid. But the way they mention the room, and drag the other guy (Sundance) off so suspiciously, makes me really concerned what that actually meant. I also don't believe we've seen the Riolu since, but that may just be the pacing, but either way, with Sundance's track record, that's not comforting. (All your favorite characters are rapists, kids! Or blissfully unaware naive idiots who enable it. But not, of course, because Sundance says so, unlike Merlot who is totally a rapist with an artist who denies it. Hypocrisy should really be the title of these groups, honestly.)

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PMDA:

Now runs a new group called PMDA (it's also worth noting they have a PMD-E side group, called PMDE Leftovers):

https://archive.is/HX5Qu

Now, let's just look over the rules:

https://archive.is/bDAuZ

Some highlights:

" To put it bluntly, PMDA is not your advertising platform. No matter what the situation is or what you may be going through, using the group as a means to openly vent will be treated as advertising/spam. There are MANY support groups available, online and otherwise, that can help you with your issues. PMDA is not one of them!"

Fuck venting your problems to an environment where you feel safe and secure, and with a medium you do so.

"Oh, one last thing before I move on. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCESwill harassment ever be tolerated. I don't care what the situation is, who's right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Harassment is harassment. If you are caught publicly harassing anybody, despite whether it's "just" or not, you WILL receive punishment. "

Congratulations, that's not what harassment means. Calling out someone for a genuine reason isn't harassment, especially if that person is a danger (boy this sounds familiar).

By the way, all rule breaking is one warning ever, then banned. Can't wait to see how that'll be abused (how much do you want to bet favoritism will come into play?).

And here's the big one:

"Our policy on NSFW is a bit of an oddball, so bear with me! The group is rated PG-13 in general, however, if you'd like to use NSFW in your personal stories or missions, you're free to as long as it is marked as such on submission. That being said,any straight-up gore or porn must be censored before submission, because let's be honest, there's always gonna be a few minors that ignore the 18+ sign. Just put a link to the uncensored version on the bottom, leading to your tumblr or whatever, and it'll be fine. Now, if you're violently opposed to NSFW as a whole, keep it to yourself. Attacking another member for their use of NSFW is harassment and will be treated as such! As well, don't draw or write NSFW of another member's characters without their expressed permission. Let's hope this never becomes an issue."

Don't vent your problems through a medium and environment that makes you feel comfortable. Don't complain about real issues or problems, or harassment (especially against the mods, guys.). But porn? Oh, man, yeah, post that stuff. Even though what they're promoting is breaking DA's rules and ToS. Because fuck safe environments, fuck your feelings, but man that fap material. Also, you can't have a PG-13 group with porn in it (I mean besides the fact that it's rule breaking in general), it doesn't work that way.

By the way, DA's rules:

https://archive.is/Z0DyY
https://archive.is/Obqv3

Oh, and here's the kicker:
I've heard one of the mods is very similar to Marl (and yes, in that way), but I can't say more. So all that up there? Yeah, makes sense now doesn't it (also, notice their "don't harass" doesn't say anything about stalking or targeting people (you know what harassment actually is), or bad behavior other then complaining about something, interesting, huh)? Awfully familiar, huh?

Why is this relevant to PK? These all trickled off of PMD-E. They're either people PK and co. promoted, praised, or influenced. And they are all unsafe environments (due to it), that use PMD-E as an excuse.

Now, I want to be clear, not all Pokemon or even PMD groups are bad. Some groups are nice, and safe, I can confirm that (just be careful). But this trend is dangerous, especially because it's a thing that targets younger people. And I feel it's worth noting the damage PMD-E.

Edit: I wrote this after I changed the font size, and could never seemingly get it back to normal, it's either too big or too small. I can't figure out how (sorry), so I'm going to make it smaller to take up less room. If you need it bigger, tell me (or just copy and paste it somewhere and fix the font size there, if you want.).
 
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Wednesday's update is here...and as usual, it's entirely cryptic and serves little purpose. Does PK not realize that there's a difference between leaving cliffhangers to keep your audience coming back for more and aggravating your audience with bits of useless/irrelevant information. (psst, pretty sure the answer's no)

Big Master Post Of: What Is It About PMD Groups That Attracts Crazy? (And can we stop feeling bad for them now?)

Right so.

First and foremost, Haychel, a guy who was active in a lot of PMD groups. He was loved by a lot of them (including the admins).

He started drawing porn in PMD-E as previously mention. He's also super creepy in his own right (he's also a huge fan of kiddie porn as well).

Let's start with this:

https://archive.is/wffi1
https://archive.is/ovnCm

It may seem cute enough (ignoring the description), until you realize it's fetish and he has drawn himself (as in him, as a human) having sex with that little Riolu (who is named Leon and canonically a child) a lot. And I mean a lot. He has a huge fetish for Riolu and Lucario and constantly draws them sexualized (they're always weirdly sexualized, even if the context doesn't call for it). He especially has a fetish for the character of Leon, and constantly draws him in pornographic or questionable situations.

Lucario images:

https://archive.is/1I6nE
https://archive.is/7ijTO
https://archive.is/JRnoe

"Mega-strippers":

https://archive.is/O1QBd

Bonus:
Art of an underage character:

https://archive.is/D9iML
Look at that description.
Just bonus:

https://archive.is/A9tKh
https://archive.is/Qoi3E
https://archive.is/aD48O

(None of these were mature tagged, for the record.)

Now I understand a lot of these were commissions (not all), but he has a commission tumblr, and a porn tumblr, they did not need to be posted here.

Also, another thing of note is I recall Haychel mentioning drawing porn allow him to have better art/poses/anatomy, as he was trying out poses he wasn't before (a terrible idea that never works. Nudes are not porn. There's a difference.). His art suffered for it heavily, the poses were awkward and out of place (or flat out didn't fit the scene). Just everything worked less and was less more dynamic and just more awkward.

And even his normal art just started to reek of fetish:

https://archive.is/GBYVU
https://archive.is/ERtf0

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PMDU: No Seriously, Can We Stop Feeling Bad For These Guys Now?

Well Sundance is back.

Now, let's make a scenario, you put in a lot of hard work drawing or writing a story where you have to capture a Ninja. Drawing out a comic, writing out a story. You put your free time and effort into it.

And I am going to post these exactly as they were to the group, with no warnings or spoilers:

6b0e065e95de3473f4a99d7e42c2a319ca44e999.png

fac33214b23e7552e0329f55f805130726585305.png

f80a5406b0ec43a542ad3bf31e175326386bea2f.png

(Look at where those action lines are.)

Now imagine you were a rape/abuse victim. And you helped catch them, and then put them through this (as an abuse victim, I'm shaking just looking at this, if I had taken part in this, I would have had a break down.). And guess what? Sundance has a huge rape and BDSM fetish.

And Sundance's response to if you take issue with it? Well, what do you know, exactly the same as PMD-E's if you took issue with Merlot:

https://archive.is/DYFsE
https://archive.is/AgZKX
https://archive.is/iSe6C
https://archive.is/chMu0
("Kill La Kill" did it, Kill La Kill is not for kids, Sundance! It's not even really for 13+. And it was heavily for sexual reasons, and frankly had a lot of problems. It is not an excuse for posting fetish stuff in a group that allows underage users.)

Including using Merlot as a defense (remember how he took jabs at Merlot and called that out? Oh, well, it's different when he does it. Isn't that familiar?).

Sundance has even stated he can't keep his fetish out of his works. And that's becoming evidently clear.

He's also an avid defender of his rape being OK, and why his rape characters are fine and normal (and why it's different when they do it). Including saying this to and in front of rape victims.

He's also hugely into cubporn (similar to Haychel and PK), especially the non-consensual kind:

https://archive.is/eGcSq

Which only makes this more horrifying:

8c818da5b7968d04170d16f1a7839284fefed576.png

e75e3933b7909bd887a8f24c73742c961ffee3af.png


Now on debut he's seen eating and being treated nicer because he's a kid. But the way they mention the room, and drag the other guy (Sundance) off so suspiciously, makes me really concerned what that actually meant. I also don't believe we've seen the Riolu since, but that may just be the pacing, but either way, with Sundance's track record, that's not comforting. (All your favorite characters are rapists, kids! Or blissfully unaware naive idiots who enable it. But not, of course, because Sundance says so, unlike Merlot who is totally a rapist with an artist who denies it. Hypocrisy should really be the title of these groups, honestly.)

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Hey, remember the person with the Merlot defense to Sundance's story/comics?

PMDA: Turns out they have a group of their own!

Yeeeep.
This person, UltimateSassMaster:

https://archive.is/DYFsE

Now runs a new group called PMDA (it's also worth noting they have a PMD-E side group, called PMDE Leftovers):

https://archive.is/HX5Qu

Now, let's just look over the rules:

https://archive.is/bDAuZ

Some highlights:

" To put it bluntly, PMDA is not your advertising platform. No matter what the situation is or what you may be going through, using the group as a means to openly vent will be treated as advertising/spam. There are MANY support groups available, online and otherwise, that can help you with your issues. PMDA is not one of them!"

Fuck venting your problems to an environment where you feel safe and secure, and with a medium you do so.

"Oh, one last thing before I move on. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCESwill harassment ever be tolerated. I don't care what the situation is, who's right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Harassment is harassment. If you are caught publicly harassing anybody, despite whether it's "just" or not, you WILL receive punishment. "

Congratulations, that's not what harassment means. Calling out someone for a genuine reason isn't harassment, especially if that person is a danger (boy this sounds familiar).

By the way, all rule breaking is one warning ever, then banned. Can't wait to see how that'll be abused (how much do you want to bet favoritism will come into play?).

And here's the big one:

"Our policy on NSFW is a bit of an oddball, so bear with me! The group is rated PG-13 in general, however, if you'd like to use NSFW in your personal stories or missions, you're free to as long as it is marked as such on submission. That being said,any straight-up gore or porn must be censored before submission, because let's be honest, there's always gonna be a few minors that ignore the 18+ sign. Just put a link to the uncensored version on the bottom, leading to your tumblr or whatever, and it'll be fine. Now, if you're violently opposed to NSFW as a whole, keep it to yourself. Attacking another member for their use of NSFW is harassment and will be treated as such! As well, don't draw or write NSFW of another member's characters without their expressed permission. Let's hope this never becomes an issue."

Don't vent your problems through a medium and environment that makes you feel comfortable. Don't complain about real issues or problems, or harassment (especially against the mods, guys.). But porn? Oh, man, yeah, post that stuff. Even though what they're promoting is breaking DA's rules and ToS. Because fuck safe environments, fuck your feelings, but man that fap material. Also, you can't have a PG-13 group with porn in it (I mean besides the fact that it's rule breaking in general), it doesn't work that way.

By the way, DA's rules:

https://archive.is/Z0DyY
https://archive.is/Obqv3

Oh, and here's the kicker:
I've heard one of the mods is very similar to Marl (and yes, in that way), but I can't say more. So all that up there? Yeah, makes sense now doesn't it (also, notice their "don't harass" doesn't say anything about stalking or targeting people (you know what harassment actually is), or bad behavior other then complaining about something, interesting, huh)? Awfully familiar, huh?

Why is this relevant to PK? These all trickled off of PMD-E. They're either people PK and co. promoted, praised, or influenced. And they are all unsafe environments (due to it), that use PMD-E as an excuse.

Now, I want to be clear, not all Pokemon or even PMD groups are bad. Some groups are nice, and safe, I can confirm that (just be careful). But this trend is dangerous, especially because it's a thing that targets younger people. And I feel it's worth noting the damage PMD-E.

...I'm speechless. I'm sorry that I don't have much to contribute to these sorts of discussions but wow, I'm disgusted that PK and her harem has this much influence over so many people. Forgive me if it seems like I'm trivializing the issues shown throughout the thread, but I think THIS is the worst part of PK's bullshit. It's not just the coverups, the insults, the abusive behavior--it's the fact that the trio's fame is what leads others to follow their examples. They like to mask this shit with cutesy art and stereotypical Tumblr behavior, and, combined with the cultlike behavior in the Flora group, I honestly think it's making all this seem okay. That maybe if someone like PK can lie and cheat and steal and still have that much success, then they could give it a shot, too! That fucking scares me, man.
 
Big Master Post Of: What Is It About PMD Groups That Attracts Crazy? (And can we stop feeling bad for them now?)

Right so.

First and foremost, Haychel, a guy who was active in a lot of PMD groups. He was loved by a lot of them (including the admins).

He started drawing porn in PMD-E as previously mention. He's also super creepy in his own right (he's also a huge fan of kiddie porn as well).

Let's start with this:

https://archive.is/wffi1
https://archive.is/ovnCm

It may seem cute enough (ignoring the description), until you realize it's fetish and he has drawn himself (as in him, as a human) having sex with that little Riolu (who is named Leon and canonically a child) a lot. And I mean a lot. He has a huge fetish for Riolu and Lucario and constantly draws them sexualized (they're always weirdly sexualized, even if the context doesn't call for it). He especially has a fetish for the character of Leon, and constantly draws him in pornographic or questionable situations.

Lucario images:

https://archive.is/1I6nE
https://archive.is/7ijTO
https://archive.is/JRnoe

"Mega-strippers":

https://archive.is/O1QBd

Bonus:
Art of an underage character:

https://archive.is/D9iML
Look at that description.
Just bonus:

https://archive.is/A9tKh
https://archive.is/Qoi3E
https://archive.is/aD48O

(None of these were mature tagged, for the record.)

Now I understand a lot of these were commissions (not all), but he has a commission tumblr, and a porn tumblr, they did not need to be posted here.

Also, another thing of note is I recall Haychel mentioning drawing porn allowed him to have better art/poses/anatomy, as he was trying out poses he wasn't before (a terrible idea that never works. Nudes are not porn. There's a difference.). His art suffered for it heavily, the poses were awkward and out of place (or flat out didn't fit the scene). Just everything worked less and was less more dynamic and just more awkward.

And even his normal art just started to reek of fetish:

https://archive.is/GBYVU
https://archive.is/ERtf0

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PMDU: No Seriously, Can We Stop Feeling Bad For These Guys Now?

Well Sundance is back.

Now, let's make a scenario, you put in a lot of hard work drawing or writing a story where you have to capture a Ninja. Drawing out a comic, writing out a story. You put your free time and effort into it.

And I am going to post these exactly as they were to the group, with no warnings or spoilers:
6b0e065e95de3473f4a99d7e42c2a319ca44e999.png

fac33214b23e7552e0329f55f805130726585305.png

f80a5406b0ec43a542ad3bf31e175326386bea2f.png

(Look at where those action lines are.)

Now imagine you were a rape/abuse victim. And you helped catch them, and then put them through this (as an abuse victim, I'm shaking just looking at this, if I had taken part in this, I would have had a break down.). And guess what? Sundance has a huge rape and BDSM fetish.

And Sundance's response to if you take issue with it? Well, what do you know, exactly the same as PMD-E's if you took issue with Merlot:

https://archive.is/DYFsE
https://archive.is/AgZKX
https://archive.is/iSe6C
https://archive.is/chMu0
("Kill La Kill did it", Kill La Kill is not for kids, Sundance! It's not even really for 13+. And it was heavily for sexual reasons, and frankly had a lot of problems. It is not an excuse for posting fetish stuff in a group that allows underage users.)

Including using Merlot as a defense (remember how he took jabs at Merlot and called that out? Oh, well, it's different when he does it. Isn't that familiar?).

Sundance has even stated he can't keep his fetish out of his works. And that's becoming evidently clear.

He's also an avid defender of his rape being OK, and why his rape characters are fine and normal (and why it's different when they do it). Including saying this to and in front of rape victims.

He's also hugely into cubporn (similar to Haychel and PK), especially the non-consensual kind:

https://archive.is/eGcSq

Which only makes this more horrifying:
8c818da5b7968d04170d16f1a7839284fefed576.png

e75e3933b7909bd887a8f24c73742c961ffee3af.png


Now on debut he's seen eating and being treated nicer because he's a kid. But the way they mention the room, and drag the other guy (Sundance) off so suspiciously, makes me really concerned what that actually meant. I also don't believe we've seen the Riolu since, but that may just be the pacing, but either way, with Sundance's track record, that's not comforting. (All your favorite characters are rapists, kids! Or blissfully unaware naive idiots who enable it. But not, of course, because Sundance says so, unlike Merlot who is totally a rapist with an artist who denies it. Hypocrisy should really be the title of these groups, honestly.)

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Hey, remember the person with the Merlot defense to Sundance's story/comics?


PMDA: Turns out they have a group of their own!

Yeeeep.
This person, UltimateSassMaster:

https://archive.is/DYFsE

Now runs a new group called PMDA (it's also worth noting they have a PMD-E side group, called PMDE Leftovers):

https://archive.is/HX5Qu

Now, let's just look over the rules:

https://archive.is/bDAuZ

Some highlights:

" To put it bluntly, PMDA is not your advertising platform. No matter what the situation is or what you may be going through, using the group as a means to openly vent will be treated as advertising/spam. There are MANY support groups available, online and otherwise, that can help you with your issues. PMDA is not one of them!"

Fuck venting your problems to an environment where you feel safe and secure, and with a medium you do so.

"Oh, one last thing before I move on. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCESwill harassment ever be tolerated. I don't care what the situation is, who's right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Harassment is harassment. If you are caught publicly harassing anybody, despite whether it's "just" or not, you WILL receive punishment. "

Congratulations, that's not what harassment means. Calling out someone for a genuine reason isn't harassment, especially if that person is a danger (boy this sounds familiar).

By the way, all rule breaking is one warning ever, then banned. Can't wait to see how that'll be abused (how much do you want to bet favoritism will come into play?).

And here's the big one:

"Our policy on NSFW is a bit of an oddball, so bear with me! The group is rated PG-13 in general, however, if you'd like to use NSFW in your personal stories or missions, you're free to as long as it is marked as such on submission. That being said,any straight-up gore or porn must be censored before submission, because let's be honest, there's always gonna be a few minors that ignore the 18+ sign. Just put a link to the uncensored version on the bottom, leading to your tumblr or whatever, and it'll be fine. Now, if you're violently opposed to NSFW as a whole, keep it to yourself. Attacking another member for their use of NSFW is harassment and will be treated as such! As well, don't draw or write NSFW of another member's characters without their expressed permission. Let's hope this never becomes an issue."

Don't vent your problems through a medium and environment that makes you feel comfortable. Don't complain about real issues or problems, or harassment (especially against the mods, guys.). But porn? Oh, man, yeah, post that stuff. Even though what they're promoting is breaking DA's rules and ToS. Because fuck safe environments, fuck your feelings, but man that fap material. Also, you can't have a PG-13 group with porn in it (I mean besides the fact that it's rule breaking in general), it doesn't work that way.

By the way, DA's rules:

https://archive.is/Z0DyY
https://archive.is/Obqv3

Oh, and here's the kicker:
I've heard one of the mods is very similar to Marl (and yes, in that way), but I can't say more. So all that up there? Yeah, makes sense now doesn't it (also, notice their "don't harass" doesn't say anything about stalking or targeting people (you know what harassment actually is), or bad behavior other then complaining about something, interesting, huh)? Awfully familiar, huh?

Why is this relevant to PK? These all trickled off of PMD-E. They're either people PK and co. promoted, praised, or influenced. And they are all unsafe environments (due to it), that use PMD-E as an excuse.

Now, I want to be clear, not all Pokemon or even PMD groups are bad. Some groups are nice, and safe, I can confirm that (just be careful). But this trend is dangerous, especially because it's a thing that targets younger people. And I feel it's worth noting the damage PMD-E.

Edit: I wrote this after I changed the font size, and could never seemingly get it back to normal, it's either too big or too small. I can't figure out how (sorry), so I'm going to make it smaller to take up less room. If you need it bigger, tell me (or just copy and paste it somewhere and fix the font size there, if you want.).

It just baffles me how much these people seem to insist they need sex/sexualized situations to "properly" convey their story, and how persistent they are to defend them. I don't know if that makes them perverts or just uncreative as hell, or both. (I vote for both.) If they honestly can't tell their stories without grossly inserting their fetishes everywhere, they should go find themselves some nsfw-centered group elsewhere, instead of hanging around PMD based ones with actual children in their ranks. God.

I suppose that's too much to ask for with people like these though, unfortunately.
 
It just occurred to me that this could correlate to the real life PK. I'm not sure if Marl abuses PK, but he's definitely groomed her in this manner. And PK definitely grooms others in this manner as well. The thought just occurred to me if PK has any characters that have a healthy, romantic relationship with each other....

I'd guess that the blue catblob thing and the big orange cat that featured in the polygamy comic have an implied healthy relationship, despite all the shit that went through PK's own polygamous relationship.

(A little off-topic, but, since we brought this guy up and he was involved in PK drama...)


As far as I'm aware, Sundance goes by the username Sheer on FurAffinity and is a hugeass furfag artist with an equally hugeass BDSM fetish, the type who draws multiple tentacle-dicks in super buffy bara guys. He also has two NSFW Tumblrs, sheerstoybox and teamquickworknsfw (or something to that extent), and they're filled with gay Pokeporn and monsterporn.

Now, there's nothing wrong with any of those things (if I personally thought so I wouldn't know all that stuff), and I can't ignore the fact he's a pretty darn good artist. His comics are neat and his line work is very pleasing to the eye. But it is a bit troublesome to put mature fetishy subjects in a work that's supposedly targeted towards kids (well, you ARE using cute Pokemans as a medium; if you don't want people to imply that you either let it be known or you use your own damn creations). I mean, sure, it's interesting when creators manage to get crap past the radar, but most of the time, that is done subtly and is only noticed by adults. When it's blatant, it's just fap material and fetishism for the writer (nothing inherently wrong about that either, people create what they want/like, but you can't expect everyone in the community will be fine with it). You see creators putting mature stuff in their family-friendly works all the time, but people don't complain unless it's crass, and I guess that's why so many PMD-Users were upset about it (the same way some folks complained about the BDSM items in PMD-E). Because it's freaking SCREAMING on their faces and no one was really expecting it.

I understand where he was headed with the joke. I didn't personally find it funny, but I can sort of get what he was trying to communicate. I think the whole BDSM was indeed supposed to be implied and then deconstructed, but, eh, it didn't really make me giggle. The funniest part were the last two panels where the Sceptile goes HUUURRR and the frog goes "lelelele i trell u". In the torture panel, though, the Sceptile was pretty much ready to get his ass boned. Literally. It's sticking up and his legs are spread apart, waiting for daddy to do his "work". Torture is pretty bad itself, but when you combine it with one-sided sexual pleasure it's just "nope".

Big lizard thing in BDSM gear annoyed me a little, mostly because he is a rather weak character. How does one character go from a straight, respectful, loving father figure to a sadomasochist gay prison warden torturer in like, two panels? That was really off-putting. Did he have a heel-face turn because his son's mother didn't stick around, making him not only change sexual orientation but also morality?

Honestly, is it really that difficult for writers to make their characters consistent? Or is he supposed to have always had some "dark, embarrassing secret" and has always been an abuser or what (maybe that's why the mother left huehuehue)? I don't know, I didn't give many shits about PMD-U, so I have no clue if these characters were supposed to have any sort of plot development, especially considering the creator is mainly a porn artist (and we all know how hard it is for people to create porn WITH plot, apparently).

It's indeed a little horrifying how PK influences other artists, though.
 
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EDIT: WOW!!! LOTs of stuff about PMD-U were released above me. Dang that's incredible. I used to watch Haychel, but dang I've been giving him too much credit. Also, this makes it even more clear that PK should not only be outed but used as an example seeing as people are taking up after them.

OH MAN so I'm compiling archive links of stuff that was said here, and I could NOT pass up the opportunity to link to Eevee's About page on his blog:

http://eev.ee/about/
Best quotes:
1) "I love thoughtful argument; finding out I’m wrong means I get to be more right in the future."
.....truer words couldn't be spoken (see every single argument made defending PK)

2) "My area of “expertise” (ha!) is all over the place;"
....as if he believes he's humble

3) "I live in Las Vegas with my ridiculous cat, my partner, her three cats, her husband, his dog, and our boyfriend."
This one is by far the scariest of them all to read because we now know the strange relationships between them. First off, MARL OWNS THE DOG!!! ;;;;~;;;; Given Marl's history, this makes me worry more about how he takes care of it. As indicated by "my partner, HER husband", there is no significant relationship between Marl and Eevee. Meanwhile, Exty is just everyone's toy I guess. :/
 
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" To put it bluntly, PMDA is not your advertising platform. No matter what the situation is or what you may be going through, using the group as a means to openly vent will be treated as advertising/spam. There are MANY support groups available, online and otherwise, that can help you with your issues. PMDA is not one of them!"

Fuck venting your problems to an environment where you feel safe and secure, and with a medium you do so.
Honestly, I think this is perfectly fair. As someone who's had people vent to them, it's not fun to get someone's real-life issues dumped on your head, especially if you have issues of your own. They're not saying "fuck you for having problems," they're saying, "if you need to vent, please find a more appropriate venue." It's not fair to people who go into the group looking for a place to relax and have fun (or for a "coping mechanism" to put it in Tumblr-speak). Plus, nine times out of ten, venting is just people bitching and inviting drama, not talking about their legitimate issues.
"Oh, one last thing before I move on. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCESwill harassment ever be tolerated. I don't care what the situation is, who's right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Harassment is harassment. If you are caught publicly harassing anybody, despite whether it's "just" or not, you WILL receive punishment. "

Congratulations, that's not what harassment means. Calling out someone for a genuine reason isn't harassment, especially if that person is a danger (boy this sounds familiar).
While this is ripe for abuse, it's also fair. They didn't say calling someone out for doing something genuinely messed up is harassment, they just said that you can't justify harassing someone by claiming they deserve it. That's frankly the only way to do things. The SJW culture in particular finds it perfectly acceptable to send someone death threats just because they said something "problematic."

That said, the massive preponderance of sexual content in the genre is more than a little off-putting. I suppose it's not exactly a surprise, given the general contents of DA, but dammit, I just want my Pokemon to be cute and normal.
 
Now, there's nothing wrong with any of those things (if I personally thought so I wouldn't know all that stuff), and I can't ignore the fact he's a pretty darn good artist. His comics are neat and his line work is very pleasing to the eye. But it is a bit troublesome to put mature fetishy subjects in a work that's supposedly targeted towards kids (well, you ARE using cute Pokemans as a medium; if you don't want people to imply that you either let it be known or you use your own damn creations).

I notice that tends to happen a lot. While I normally don't have a problem with good artists drawing porn (because, you know, they can do what they want how they like it) it only becomes a problem when they constantly shove it down people's throats, especially in groups that are supposed to be kid-friendly. It's not surprising to me to see people that enjoy looking at and drawing porn of Pokemon. It's weird, yeah, but (unfortunately) it happens.
I guess the problem here is that they're posting suggestive things into public spaces, where said public spaces and group activities were never said to have such suggestive themes. There was no warning beforehand, they just kind of went ahead and did it and that's gross.

I mean, not everything is going to be a 'safe space' because I don't feel that's what the internet is for but at least advertise what your group is going for correctly and don't be surprised if people are disappointed and upset at sudden shit you pulled with no prior warning.
 
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It's the reasoning. It's because someone complained about real issues they had, and they wanted to silence it (basically like PK handles all their drama, or Marl). It's also that actual harassment doesn't factor.

As mentioned here:
Oh, and here's the kicker:
I've heard one of the mods is very similar to Marl (and yes, in that way), but I can't say more. So all that up there? Yeah, makes sense now doesn't it (also, notice their "don't harass" doesn't say anything about stalking or targeting people (you know what harassment actually is), or bad behavior other then complaining about something, interesting, huh)? Awfully familiar, huh?

Notice the exact critique of it. It's not that the rule exists, or that the rule is bad in general, it's how the rule operates and what they call harassment. It's basically the exact same as some laws that say that the people can't criticize the government. Instead, it's that you can't talk about wrong doing. It's that kind of rule being called harassment.

I could understand this otherwise, but if you read through the link, you'd see "don't try to mod" was a rule, and this was specifically pointed out as a separate one. "Don't tell people to die" or "don't constantly mention it or constantly bring the person up" are fine rules. Don't complain at all? Something's wrong there. And it's a loose rule, so what constitutes harassment? "I'm not OK with this design choice"? "I'm not OK with how the mods handled a very serious issue"? These are all valid things that now fall under this rule (if it addressed actual harassment as well, this'd be fine, it does not).

It's not about the rule itself, and also, someone venting to you is not the same as venting to a group they may have a ton of friends in. Maybe you don't like it, just click away. It's not like it's forcing you to acknowledge it (as a personal vent might). I could understand "don't post too much information", but don't vent at all?

And by the way, we already know they've done terrible things, and that this is likely a jab at that or to silence it, and make it OK to do so.


That said, the massive preponderance of sexual content in the genre is more than a little off-putting. I suppose it's not exactly a surprise, given the general contents of DA, but dammit, I just want my Pokemon to be cute and normal.

And again, it's the hypocrisy.

Don't vent your problems through a medium and environment that makes you feel comfortable. Don't complain about real issues or problems, or harassment (especially against the mods, guys.). But porn? Oh, man, yeah, post that stuff. Even though what they're promoting is breaking DA's rules and ToS. Because fuck safe environments, fuck your feelings, but man that fap material. Also, you can't have a PG-13 group with porn in it (I mean besides the fact that it's rule breaking in general), it doesn't work that way.

And "but it's DA" doesn't work when it's against DA's rules (and yes, they do hammer down on it).


I've seen many a deviation taken down recently for breaking those rules (and I could go on and on about issues DA does have with, but another time). Yes, DA has those images, because DA works on a report basis to remove images. The site doesn't look through what's posted, people have to report it for it to be taken down. What they're saying here is rule breaking (and again, I've seen many things get taken down for breaking these rules). But it's OK for them to bend the rules, but not others. That's the point of what I posted.
 
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