Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Aunt Carol]

In my opinion that nasty sausage roll & the gross ball shaped horrors are equally disgusting. Male genitals are fucking ugly but what the srs butchers "create" is a trillion times worse.

In a vacuum (ignoring the awful-looking donor sites on the forearms and assuming everything's well-perfused and healed) these Coke-can frankendicks are especially hilarious.

They look like the penis you'd find on a Lego man, suddenly upscaled to human height. They look like the size was selected for artistic effect, the opposite of Michelangelo's David. They look like the patient turned to a page in their junior high Algebra notebook, circled the marginal doodle, and said "here, exactly like this."

This ignores physical pain, suffering and misuse of medical resources, but it's impressive how far someone will commit for a killer sight gag.

n.b. I am zero percent aroused by any of these; gracious.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

In a vacuum (ignoring the awful-looking donor sites on the forearms and assuming everything's well-perfused and healed) these Coke-can frankendicks are especially hilarious.

They look like the penis you'd find on a Lego man, suddenly upscaled to human height. They look like the size was selected for artistic effect, the opposite of Michelangelo's David. They look like the patient turned to a page in their junior high Algebra notebook, circled the marginal doodle, and said "here, exactly like this."

This ignores physical pain, suffering and misuse of medical resources, but it's impressive how far someone will commit for a killer sight gag.

n.b. I am zero percent aroused by any of these; gracious.

People who butcher their own genitals never seem to think about the future. They want srs now now now without thinking about long term consequences.

Like have these idiots ever thought about what's like being old & having these fake flesh socks/man-holes attached to them? What if they get dementia/Alzheimers? Imagine waking up every day and being horrified because your penis & testicles are missing or having a flesh tube abomination attached to your crotch. And then the nurses have to dilate the terrified old men (wouldn't that be basically rape?) and/or remove the hairs out of an ftm flesh tube with a hook.

No one thinks about this because only short term satisfaction matters. Srs now! Fuck the future & possible problems.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Like have these idiots ever thought about what's like being old & having these fake flesh socks/man-holes attached to them? What if they get dementia/Alzheimers? Imagine waking up every day and being horrified because your penis & testicles are missing or having a flesh tube abomination attached to your crotch. And then the nurses have to dilate the terrified old men (wouldn't that be basically rape?) and/or remove the hairs out of an ftm flesh tube with a hook.

I've read a couple of anecdotes before that "questioning" troons have started to drift out of it when they were trying to picture themselves aging as the desired gender. It's one thing to try to be the perfect hottie or nonthreatening anime prettyboy, it's another to picture yourself balding, sagging, being an unremarkable elderly specimen of the target gender and not physically "desirable" by strangers, just living your own life.

On the other hand, there's no shortage of photo evidence of 60+ men posing in the clothes they remember skanks wearing in their own youth. So I think that's your point: the ability to pause and think about the future selects away from the more optimistic extensive GRS plans.

Spoiler: Let's Discuss Grandma's Vagina

Side note tangentially about dilation: in older women with persistent uterine or vaginal prolapse, a less-invasive option to getting slung and/or having mesh all up in there is to perform a colpocleisis, just closing the vaginal canal to keep the prolapse from having an outlet. (The term colpectomy gets used too, but technically implies vaginal excision.)

This isn't GYN surgeons unilaterally taking Grandma's vagina away and laughing; it's something a woman with a prolapse might not even know about as an option unless she's self-informed about her healthcare. (Reasons in descending order of cynicism: tradition; cheaper and can be done under local; what's Grandpa gonna fuck.) It comes down to being active vs. being sexually active, but it also hits a blind spot about "sexually active" exclusively meaning vaginal penetration.

Reaming out someone's flesh tube sounds fun, but I'd be surprised if older phalloplasty patients haven't had a half-dozen more revisions by then and eventually ended up with a catheter. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time we hit a big wave of elderly GRS post-ops, dilating a mature neovagina can legally be delegated to aides.

 

[Popoto]

Spoiler: Let's Discuss Grandma's Vagina

Side note tangentially about dilation: in older women with persistent uterine or vaginal prolapse, a less-invasive option to getting slung and/or having mesh all up in there is to perform a colpocleisis, just closing the vaginal canal to keep the prolapse from having an outlet. (The term colpectomy gets used too, but technically implies vaginal excision.)

This isn't GYN surgeons unilaterally taking Grandma's vagina away and laughing; it's something a woman with a prolapse might not even know about as an option unless she's self-informed about her healthcare. (Reasons in descending order of cynicism: tradition; cheaper and can be done under local; what's Grandpa gonna fuck.) It comes down to being active vs. being sexually active, but it also hits a blind spot about "sexually active" exclusively meaning vaginal penetration.

Well at least the spoiler wasn't titled "Grandma's vaginal discharge".

We don't sew up vaginas because 1) any vagina to be sewn up has to be postmenopausal to begin with, and 2) you'd be surprised at the number of women whose masturbatory practices involve penetration.

Colpoclesis (Le Fort) is different from colpolectomy - in the latter, the entirety of the vagina is sewn up because the vagina itself is prolapsing.

Today, preventative stitching for the bladder and urethra is performed post vaginal birth while the mother is still out of it from the epidural/adrenaline rush.

Reaming out someone's flesh tube sounds fun, but I'd be surprised if older phalloplasty patients haven't had a half-dozen more revisions by then and eventually ended up with a catheter. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time we hit a big wave of elderly GRS post-ops, dilating a mature neovagina can legally be delegated to aides.

Phalloplasty is really, really rare (I have never encountered one), and as far as I am aware, if a phallo goes wrong, it would theoretically get redone with new grafts, meaning you'd be able to tell by the number of patches taken out from their thighs/forearms etc.

The really old neophalluses are completely enclosed flesh tubes to minimise infection, you cannot urinate out of it.

The more modern ones either have you grow the urethra substitute (prelamination) or roll up more armflesh inside to create "tube-in-a-tube" which adds to the comical girth of these things.

Either way, you do end up with a catheter post surgery.

Idk if this paper has been posted here, but I just wanted to share a particularly Islamic image of an erectile device poking out of a neophallus:

Spoiler: The eye of the tiger

 

[Aunt Carol]

Spoiler: The eye of the tiger

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I know they always look like a corndog to some degree, but man that thing looks like a corndog.

Thank you for the interesting, un-regwalled link. That's the sort of informative, easy-to-read overview that really should be making the rounds of the gendersphere, not just us rubberneckers:

Total phalloplasty is one of the most complex reconstructions that plastic surgeons are called upon to perform as it involves replicating a form and function that is truly unique. Add to this the fact that the materials available are sub-optimal and the emotional overlay associated with this reconstruction is very significant, the task assumes nearly Herculean dimensions. It is no wonder that it is fraught with a plethora of complications. Flap survival and appearance is of course the first requisite to a successful reconstruction, but it is the function, urinary and sexual, which finally determine success or failure.

The importance of counselling and making the patient understand what to expect and what not to, from a phalloplasty result, cannot be overemphasised.

I'll admit that my experience with management of uterine/vaginal prolapse is heavily biased toward postmenopausal women, for the easily-guessed reason. I've had hands on plenty of penile prostheses but none in a neophallus so far, somehow. Just grandpas who are every bit as excited as the troons to tell you about their plans for their junk.

I would think that an unviable phalloplasty would eventually run out of donor graft sites and more importantly, GoFundMe cash from the patient, while phalloplasty exists in a grey area of insurance coverage and as long as they're not septic and the urethra isn't totally obstructed or anything. At some point they'd give up and by the time they're in a SNF it'll be the fleshy ruins of what was once an obelisk built of optimism, hubris, and thigh skin.

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

I’m inclined to side with you, but I’m a woman who showers and gets medical checkups. Seeing how little effort troops put into hygiene and maintaining their feminine must-stink, I’m betting the answer is somewhere on a vast spectrum from “normal chicks who take normal care of their normal vagoo” on one end to “too-tight vinyl panties as a cumrag is fine I’ll just turn them inside out.”

I thought I replied to this, but don't see my response.

Even people who are meticulously clean and see their gyns can be prone to a variety of problems. For example, young women who are on antibiotics for acne will frequently get yeast infections, that kind of thing. Some women keep catching yeast/bacterial infections from partners with dirty dicks who refuse to clean themselves correctly. Women with post childbirth complications can have long term problems with painful sex/incontinence, etc.

 

[Falling Star]

Inspired by minor lolcow UselessAltThing, I decided to look into "Nullos".

Gender/Genital Nullification is a form of SRS/GRS for people who don't want any genitals. They seem to identify themselves as Nullo / Neutrois / Agender.
The procedure involves the removal of external genitalia and maybe some rerouting/modification of the urethra. All for a "smooth", genderless look.
There's a good, in-depth blog post about nullification (written by a man who had the procedure) here: https://beesbuzz.biz/articles/5195-nullification-surgery [x]

• Kind of frustrating though since he linked to another page that supposedly had pics of his surgery, but it just gives me a 403 error when I try to access it.

Nullo surgery pictures are basically impossible to find. I guess it's not surprising since it's such a rare procedure that very, very few doctors offer. (And none of the doctors I checked provided photos, just descriptions...)
I did manage to find one post-op set, though:

Spoiler: NSFW - Alien-looking

I am Neutrois identified, AMAB and wanted 'undifferentiated' genitals. Dr Bellringer was very accommodating in this matter. My result therefore differs greatly from his standard SRS as I requested no labiaplasty or creation of the appearance of a vaginal introitus. Also of relevance is that I used to weigh 285 pounds. When I had the surgery I was more like 200 pounds and am only 152 pounds now. Therefore my skin isn't as tight as somebody who had never been significantly overweight.

I had this operation back in 2008 at Parkside Hospital and had a very positive experience, not much pain at all, after the first night my only pain relief was oral ibuprofen. Was discharged after 5 nights and had no difficulty getting around. That said I over exerted myself a couple of days after leaving hospital and stretched the top of the left suture. As a result the scar there is a bit wider than it would have been otherwise and that bit intermittantly itched for the first couple of years. Please don't make this kind of mistake, take care of yourself!

I have plenty of clitoral sensation and sensation on the meatus between the clitoris and the urethral opening. I have a pretty low sex drive but can orgasm when in the mood.

My urethra seems to aim a bit too far forwards which means I have to lean forwards to pee but this is not a significant problem (I suspect it'd be quite easy to fix in a revision op). Also my skin is oddly darker in between the scars, not sure why that is, not something I've noticed on pictures of other people's surgeries with Dr Bellringer.

Overall I am very happy with the result and very grateful to Dr Bellringer for being so accommodating.

These photos were taken March 2017. Sometime I might try and find some old photos that I took as I was healing. (Price was 7250ukp not usd and has surely changed in the last decade)

Wish I could find more to see how others look. I feel like they probably vary a lot.

 

[Windows Error 98]

What the fuck is going on in Thailand why are all the worst surgeries there

 

[Bees]

WHERE IS THE ASSHOLE

 

[Schatzi Katze]

Inspired by minor lolcow UselessAltThing, I decided to look into "Nullos".

Theres gotta be some sort of weird poetic irony in null surgery just making you look like a post-op MtF.

I'd be willing to bet going nullo is a way safer route than either a neovagina or a neo phallus too.

 

[dappouROCK]

and/or remove the hairs out of an ftm flesh tube with a hook.

I’m sorry. I know tons more about the MTF horrors than FTM. If this was explained somewhere before, I apologize, but they have to do what with a hook?

I suppose the only reason I’m perturbed is because I’m imagining this “hook” going inside (as I’m used to hearing about MTF “hair balls”, which are inside), so what exactly is happening here?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

The thing that gets me is that these troons are ready to slit their wrists if they get "misgendered" but painful complication ridden surgeries that make them eunuchs? Nah that's fine mate.

It's classic cluster B behavior. Threaten self harm in an attempt to get what you want. Unfortunately, what they want is a Cannibal Corpse song between their legs.

 

[Popoto]

I’m sorry. I know tons more about the MTF horrors than FTM. If this was explained somewhere before, I apologize, but they have to do what with a hook?

I suppose the only reason I’m perturbed is because I’m imagining this “hook” going inside (as I’m used to hearing about MTF “hair balls”, which are inside), so what exactly is happening here?

I think your confusion is amplified by the leaving out of what kind of hook is being used. It is a crochet hook /needle, and is "normally" used to weave certain types of dreadlocks:



ETA: obviously thinner models are used for FTM neourethral hair removal, but basically when the neourethra is made of body skin in the aforementioned "tube - in - a - tube" procedure, sometimes they forget to do hair removal. It's skin, so hair is gonna grow.

 

[Falling Star]

I’m sorry. I know tons more about the MTF horrors than FTM. If this was explained somewhere before, I apologize, but they have to do what with a hook?

I suppose the only reason I’m perturbed is because I’m imagining this “hook” going inside (as I’m used to hearing about MTF “hair balls”, which are inside), so what exactly is happening here?

I think your confusion is amplified by the leaving out of what kind of hook is being used. It is a crochet hook /needle, and is "normally" used to weave certain types of dreadlocks:

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ETA: obviously thinner models are used for FTM neourethral hair removal, but basically when the neourethra is made of body skin in the aforementioned "tube - in - a - tube" procedure, sometimes they forget to do hair removal. It's skin, so hair is gonna grow.

Yeah, thankfully it seems pretty uncommon. This post includes an FTM who mentions using a hook. Has to fish for hairs in her urethra to prevent urine crystals / stones forming or getting stuck in there.
Just in general, neopenises are apparently prone to all sorts of urinary problems from what I've read in FTM subs.
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Unrelated to the above, an MTF posted a botched "zero-depth" surgery:

Spoiler: NSFW

https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...3_months_post_op_geoffrey_stiller_zero_depth/
These are supposed to be much simpler, safer, and more aesthetic than having a neovag installed, but the end result still looks nothing like a real vulva. LOL
Kinda feel bad for him, tbh.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Yeah, thankfully it seems pretty uncommon. This post includes an FTM who mentions using a hook. Has to fish for hairs in her urethra to prevent urine crystals / stones forming or getting stuck in there.
Just in general, neopenises are apparently prone to all sorts of urinary problems from what I've read in FTM subs.
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Unrelated to the above, an MTF posted a botched "zero-depth" surgery:

Spoiler: NSFW

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...3_months_post_op_geoffrey_stiller_zero_depth/
These are supposed to be much simpler, safer, and more aesthetic than having a neovag installed, but the end result still looks nothing like a real vulva. LOL
Kinda feel bad for him, tbh.
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That's a headcrab, not a vagina.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Yeah, thankfully it seems pretty uncommon. This post includes an FTM who mentions using a hook. Has to fish for hairs in her urethra to prevent urine crystals / stones forming or getting stuck in there.
Just in general, neopenises are apparently prone to all sorts of urinary problems from what I've read in FTM subs.
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Unrelated to the above, an MTF posted a botched "zero-depth" surgery:

Spoiler: NSFW

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...3_months_post_op_geoffrey_stiller_zero_depth/
These are supposed to be much simpler, safer, and more aesthetic than having a neovag installed, but the end result still looks nothing like a real vulva. LOL
Kinda feel bad for him, tbh.
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LMAO his deflated ballsack is dangling there. Note how he is complaining about wrinkles when the outside of his amhole was made from his own wrinkly sack.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

People who butcher their own genitals never seem to think about the future. They want srs now now now without thinking about long term consequences.

Like have these idiots ever thought about what's like being old & having these fake flesh socks/man-holes attached to them? What if they get dementia/Alzheimers? Imagine waking up every day and being horrified because your penis & testicles are missing or having a flesh tube abomination attached to your crotch. And then the nurses have to dilate the terrified old men (wouldn't that be basically rape?) and/or remove the hairs out of an ftm flesh tube with a hook.

No one thinks about this because only short term satisfaction matters. Srs now! Fuck the future & possible problems.

Don't be ridiculous, none of these troons actually live that long.

 

[s0mbra]

Yeah, thankfully it seems pretty uncommon. This post includes an FTM who mentions using a hook. Has to fish for hairs in her urethra to prevent urine crystals / stones forming or getting stuck in there.
Just in general, neopenises are apparently prone to all sorts of urinary problems from what I've read in FTM subs.
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Unrelated to the above, an MTF posted a botched "zero-depth" surgery:

Spoiler: NSFW

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...3_months_post_op_geoffrey_stiller_zero_depth/
These are supposed to be much simpler, safer, and more aesthetic than having a neovag installed, but the end result still looks nothing like a real vulva. LOL
Kinda feel bad for him, tbh.
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I actually laughed out loud after I opened the spoiler
It wasn't the first time either.
Oh god what's wrong with me

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I actually laughed out loud after I opened the spoiler
It wasn't the first time either.
Oh god what's wrong with me

Troons evoke zero sympathy and after being steeped in their idiot delusions about what they're actually going to get, you can't help but laugh. It's completely normal.

Yeah, thankfully it seems pretty uncommon. This post includes an FTM who mentions using a hook. Has to fish for hairs in her urethra to prevent urine crystals / stones forming or getting stuck in there.
Just in general, neopenises are apparently prone to all sorts of urinary problems from what I've read in FTM subs.
---------

Unrelated to the above, an MTF posted a botched "zero-depth" surgery:

Spoiler: NSFW

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...3_months_post_op_geoffrey_stiller_zero_depth/
These are supposed to be much simpler, safer, and more aesthetic than having a neovag installed, but the end result still looks nothing like a real vulva. LOL
Kinda feel bad for him, tbh.
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oh sweetie...
Too bad you didn't actually look into how many surgeons refuse to "revise" hackjobs, much less another man's hackjob.
If my son were this stupid, even without being a troon, you bet your ass I'd disown him. Imagine raising a bona fide retard.

 

[Popoto]

What the fuck is going on in Thailand why are all the worst surgeries there

Several reasons:

1. Thailand's fame for "ladyboys" have disproportionately fuelled a demand in the same way South Korea is apparently known for cosmetic surgery.

2. It's much cheaper there. Average US surgeons are 60k or thereabouts, while Thai butchers will go as low as 20k.

3. Thai butchers infamously don't gatekeep. I remember reading reddit posts saying the only therapy sign off was an automatic in and out process with a Thai psych who obviously gets a cut of the deal.

4. The language barrier and possible differences in legal systems make Thai butchers seem more appealing purely from a lack of information. I presume there is a Thai equivalent of ratemydr or yelp where people bitch about Chatterwatt. I wouldn't even know how to spell that name in Thai script, I am not even sure I spelled it right in English.

5. A lot of the "worst" cases in other countries seem to be likewise blocked by language barrier, NDAs (Rumer seems to be this way) and so on.

I think globally, genital butchers do really bad work. We just don't hear of it.