Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

Here's Oli using his incredible acting ability to repeat a little oppression story he made up for interviews:

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-qknv9-fad502 40:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-56606897 2:08

I can't be fucked archiving this podcast and BBC video rn sorry.
Jesus he even cries at the same part, now I can't determine what's more delusional: claiming he's a woman or calling himself an actor.
Also I like how they can't define what a woman is, but implicitly say that it is basically clothes and makeup with statements like "They will see you with a transwoman/ they will know her ""aunt"" is trans" (inb4 societal signalling)
 
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Here's Oli using his incredible acting ability to repeat a little oppression story he made up for interviews:

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-qknv9-fad502 40:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-56606897 2:08

I can't be fucked archiving this podcast and BBC video rn sorry.

He starts out saying he can't go because he knows what they say in the papers about trans people and so someone might say something to his brother/niece/niece's teacher but then switches to saying that "someone might write something in the papers about it". I mean, come on. Olly doesn't even have a million subscribers. No one is going to even notice him, and if they did, they would just think it's something for a video.

He then goes "...and that is what the papers have done! They've made a little girl feel like her auntie doesn't love her!". How does that even follow? I doubt his niece cares that much anyway.

Within the space of about 1 minute he cycles between laughing in the previous segment, crying about his niece and then being angry about the papers. Did no one tell Olly to pick a tone when doing a scene?

Some new tweets:

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Cis people aren't trying to get married as something their legal document says they aren't. If their document had something legally incorrect they wouldn't be allowed to marry either.

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Using a lawyer is below his dignity? How do other people change their legal documents or take physically altering drugs freely?

March 2018.
According to this timeline, that is pretty early on in the Olly/Contra relationship. Olly then broke up with his abusive girlfriend in the summer. From the livestream, it really seems like Contra likely played a part in that break-up.
 
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https://twitter.com/PhilosophyTube/status/1379813399333310466
Using a lawyer is below is dignity? How do other people change their legal documents or taking physically altering drugs freely?
All of this retarded bitching, moaning, and crying is the opposite of dignity. You need a straitjacket instead of the supremacy you disingenuously call "equality".

I find it very interesting how a mid-tier Breadtube pseudo-intellectual suddenly became a fervent TRA. What skeletons are you hiding, Olly-boy?
 
He starts out saying he can't go because he knows what they say in the papers about trans people and so someone might say something to his brother/niece/niece's teacher but then switches to saying that "someone might write something in the papers about it". I mean, come on. Olly doesn't even have a million subscribers. No one is going to even notice him, and if they did, they would just think it's something for a video.
Dude legit seems to think he’s Beyoncé or something. In the 900K subscribers live stream, a commenter asks if he’s making any new recipes? He goes on to describe one, pauses for a second, then says, dramatically, (in the voice of a dramatic headline): “Abigail Thorn thinks you aren’t really trans unless you eat bread pudding!” (Or whatever the dish was, I forget.) But yeah, apropos of nothing he flips into that paranoid outburst. I think dude clearly has delusions of grandeur as well as delusions of persecution. So being a troon is the perfect place for him. Even the recent BBC interview is titled something like, “I came out as trans, and immediately made headlines!”

The recipe outburst was on the heels of him (way earlier in the stream) refusing to give transition tips, which I find hilarious. He claims it’s because the mentally ill people who follow him will accuse him of gatekeeping or being truscum if he recommends a given makeup or wig or whatever the fuck. But a) if true, that shows what frothing lunatics are in his fanbase and b) for such a CRUSADER of troon rights it’s pretty rich that he won’t even say “hey I found such and such product helpful” lest he get cancelled. It just shows how full of shit he is trying to position himself as some kind of activist, or trying to help “the trans community.” It’s self aggrandizement and muh persecution all the way.
 
If Contra actually gets it and PT gets FFS/implants then yes. If he’s going to have any surgeries it will probably be within the next 18 months. That’s my guess.

I’ve heard that about 50% of neovaginas turn out looking okay. So one of them will look acceptable and the other will be botched. Despite this being the PT thread my money would be on Contra’s being botched, just for the irony.
Considering how Contra has been talking and fetishizing the "girldick" and "mouthfeel" for years, it's surprising that she even wants a neovag. I wonder if she wants it just to one up Blaire. Either or not its botched the image of Contra dilating is pretty hilarious.
 
If Contra actually gets it and PT gets FFS/implants then yes. If he’s going to have any surgeries it will probably be within the next 18 months. That’s my guess.

I’ve heard that about 50% of neovaginas turn out looking okay. So one of them will look acceptable and the other will be botched. Despite this being the PT thread my money would be on Contra’s being botched, just for the irony.
Define “okay”.

Is the threshold “didn’t turn into a rotting hole” or “can actually be mistaken for a vagina if it’s covered in hair and seen from a distance of no less than 5 feet, and you’ve also never seen a real pussy before”? Because I think even 50% is generous going by the first criteria.
 
If Contra actually gets it and PT gets FFS/implants then yes. If he’s going to have any surgeries it will probably be within the next 18 months. That’s my guess.

I’ve heard that about 50% of neovaginas turn out looking okay. So one of them will look acceptable and the other will be botched. Despite this being the PT thread my money would be on Contra’s being botched, just for the irony.
Where does a stat like that brew from when these rot pocket results can be easily observed online?
 
Why does it even matter to you if you are getting married and some legal document says you're a man? Bitch it's like not like they're not going to let you get married. Does it influence some tax benefit in the UK?

10 pounds for changing every legal document about you to say whatever gender you want seems fucking reasonable
 
Will we look back on troondom like we now do witch trials and the Satanic panic of the 1980’s?
I still don't get how people can be asking this question, It's almost like a form of denial the Overton window has shifted and continues to shift for the past 30 years.
Look at how Obama and Clinton where against gay marriage in 2008, what makes you think that any problems we see with progressivism won't be blamed on the issue itself.
If the current shift continues any messed up surgeries or kids with fucked up endocrine systems will surely be blamed on the doctors being transphobic.
Take a look at this interview with the Arkansas governor in it he says that trans kids conform to Reagan's idea of laissez fairism. Arkansas is a deeply red state.
Giving kids HRT isn't even an out there political belief anymore it's being puppeted by mainstream conservative pundits.
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Abi - surprisingly - is misrepresenting the law in the UK regarding marriage.

Abi states that Cis people 'do not need a gender recognition certificate, so why do I' which, on the face of it. Is true. De facto discrimination, gotcha.

Except, the reason you have to do that as a trans person is that everyone must provide their Birth Certificate and if your gender does not conform with that then you have to show why. Same as any person who has something that doesn't conform to their Birth Cert.

Also, it actually turns out that if you Troon out legally. It is fucking EASIER to get married

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But why would I expect Abigail to actually have researched the law before spouting the usual nonsense about TERF Island, which she is queen of of course.
 
Using a lawyer is below is dignity? How do other people change their legal documents or taking physically altering drugs freely?
Hes so privileged. Women have to fight tooth and nail to be taken seriously when they have severe period pains or back pain from large breasts but tell us Olly how hard it is having to see a lawyer
Dude legit seems to think he’s Beyoncé or something. In the 900K subscribers live stream, a commenter asks if he’s making any new recipes? He goes on to describe one, pauses for a second, then says, dramatically, (in the voice of a dramatic headline): “Abigail Thorn thinks you aren’t really trans unless you eat bread pudding!” (Or whatever the dish was, I forget.) But yeah, apropos of nothing he flips into that paranoid outburst. I think dude clearly has delusions of grandeur as well as delusions of persecution. So being a troon is the perfect place for him. Even the recent BBC interview is titled something like, “I came out as trans, and immediately made headlines!”

The recipe outburst was on the heels of him (way earlier in the stream) refusing to give transition tips, which I find hilarious. He claims it’s because the mentally ill people who follow him will accuse him of gatekeeping or being truscum if he recommends a given makeup or wig or whatever the fuck. But a) if true, that shows what frothing lunatics are in his fanbase and b) for such a CRUSADER of troon rights it’s pretty rich that he won’t even say “hey I found such and such product helpful” lest he get cancelled. It just shows how full of shit he is trying to position himself as some kind of activist, or trying to help “the trans community.” It’s self aggrandizement and muh persecution all the way.

Comparing Olly to any other youtube trooner and you can see hes not mentally well. contra, Blaire White, rose of dawn, even less well know ones like hugo from atheist unloaded. They may be annoying and yes be addicted to drugs in contras case, but they all seem relatively coherent, but like you said Olly and his outbursts are weird, his obvious hatred of women. I think he truly believes hes the most famous trannie in the UK.
It would not bother me being in a room with the others named, but i would genuinely be uncomfortable being around Olly.
 
Comparing Olly to any other youtube trooner and you can see hes not mentally well. contra, Blaire White, rose of dawn, even less well know ones like hugo from atheist unloaded. They may be annoying and yes be addicted to drugs in contras case, but they all seem relatively coherent, but like you said Olly and his outbursts are weird, his obvious hatred of women. I think he truly believes hes the most famous trannie in the UK.
It would not bother me being in a room with the others named, but i would genuinely be uncomfortable being around Olly.
I don’t know that last one, but I think the reason for this is that those others seem to at least genuinely believe in this. i get the feeling that if trans was not an option, Blair and Contra would still be gender non conforming. Olly has always been masculine, said he doesn’t feel any dysphoria, and he just seems to treat this like any other acting gig. It’s all so painfully phony, it’s like he’s scrubbed his personality completely and exchanged it for a shallow feminine stereotype.
 
Abi - surprisingly - is misrepresenting the law in the UK regarding marriage.

Abi states that Cis people 'do not need a gender recognition certificate, so why do I' which, on the face of it. Is true. De facto discrimination, gotcha.

Except, the reason you have to do that as a trans person is that everyone must provide their Birth Certificate and if your gender does not conform with that then you have to show why. Same as any person who has something that doesn't conform to their Birth Cert.

Also, it actually turns out that if you Troon out legally. It is fucking EASIER to get married

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But why would I expect Abigail to actually have researched the law before spouting the usual nonsense about TERF Island, which she is queen of of course.
So is requiring trans black people to get an id with their preferred gender racist cause blacks are too stupid to get IDs according to the Georgia debacle
 
He starts out saying he can't go because he knows what they say in the papers about trans people and so someone might say something to his brother/niece/niece's teacher but then switches to saying that "someone might write something in the papers about it". I mean, come on. Olly doesn't even have a million subscribers. No one is going to even notice him, and if they did, they would just think it's something for a video.

He then goes "...and that is what the papers have done! They've made a little girl feel like her auntie doesn't love her!". How does that even follow? I doubt his niece cares that much anyway.

Within the space of about 1 minute he cycles between laughing in the previous segment, crying about his niece and then being angry about the papers. Did no one tell Olly to pick a tone when doing a scene?

Some new tweets:

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Cis people aren't trying to get married as something their legal document says they aren't. If their document had something legally incorrect they wouldn't be allowed to marry either.

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Using a lawyer is below his dignity? How do other people change their legal documents or taking physically altering drugs freely?


According to this timeline, that is pretty early on in the Olly/Contra relationship. Olly then broke up with his abusive girlfriend in the summer. From the livestream, it really seems like Contra likely played a part in that break-up.
I don't think I have ever seen so much activism from any of the large breadtubers. Maybe the true reason to troon out was to finally be able to be an activist. But if this is seriously what Abby is considering living in an unequal society then she must be the most privileged person in the world. It cost more to change your name than it cost to change your gender.

Now, if Abby cared for confused people who mistook their mental health issues for a trans identity, it's good for things to cost money. It means that people don't just jump at the opportunity but that they must think things through. Because if there is something that gets me with the modern troons, they keep saying how rare detrans people are. But (if you accept a low rate) it was probably only rare because we put up big hurdles to transition.
 
I don’t know that last one, but I think the reason for this is that those others seem to at least genuinely believe in this. i get the feeling that if trans was not an option, Blair and Contra would still be gender non conforming. Olly has always been masculine, said he doesn’t feel any dysphoria, and he just seems to treat this like any other acting gig. It’s all so painfully phony, it’s like he’s scrubbed his personality completely and exchanged it for a shallow feminine stereotype.

I do agree with what you say, he is attention seeking and definitely not really trans, but i do think he has some serious issues, the obsession with being oppressed, abused, combined with his outbursts and weird behaviour. somethings not right.
 
I do agree with what you say, he is attention seeking and definitely not really trans, but i do think he has some serious issues, the obsession with being oppressed, abused, combined with his outbursts and weird behaviour. somethings not right.

I'd assume that it has to do with the fact that in the circles he's trying to be cool and have authority in, heterosexual white men is the absolute lowest on the pecking order. It's a weird sort of reverse oppression where they feel like white men absolutely cannot be oppressed, so they have no right to speak on anything. So in Olly's case he's actually trying to get authority to speak on issues without anyone questioning him because of his supposed oppression of being "trans".

It's all rather dumb, but just coming out as bisexual clearly didn't give him enough oppression points to be seen as an authority so now he's "trans" to gain those points.
 
That would be his NPD and the low self-esteem which comes with it.
Yeah I'd put money on him having NPD. He has such a typical male expression of NPD that it's hilarious that he's trying to claim that he's always been a woman trapped in a man's body. Even if he did somehow physically pass as a woman I think most people would be able to tell something is off the second he revealed his personality (although his obvious hatred for women doesn't help either). There are gender differences in NPD since men and women are socialized differently, I'm not saying male narcissists are inherently worse than women. Men with NPD are just more likely to exhibit entitlement and a need to be seen as an authority, both things that are very clearly issues for Olly.

If there is somehow anyone out there that is skeptical that he has serious issues with narcissism: he likes to brag about his own narcissism (he did so in the queer video, for one). It's something I've seen a lot in people with diagnosed NPD that I've interacted with. They brag about it because they can get away with it and are rewarded for it.
 
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Call me a gay retard but I've only just noticed he even changed the spelling of his surname from Thorn to Thorne. I would bet even that was to be more "feminine", aping French language gender diferences like blond and blonde, or fiancé and fiancée.
 
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