Orbiter DarksydePhil Fan General - Infighting and Cringe Galore 2 (Moderators, et al)

[UaineRunei]

I believe OnlyIcedCoffee is Super Hound Media. That email address boostedtwitch@gmail.com was attached to a Twitter account that both self-identified as Super Hound Media, and told others in advance who Super Hound was going to falsely DMCA and why. Call it circumstantial, I don't care. I believe we have caught him red handed.

If this is true, and Phil is honest that Super Hound has been using stolen credit cards to tip and charge it back, it's fully possible that some of these cheers, subs, and tips from OIC and his alts are also from stolen credit cards. Phil is either profiting from financial crimes, or from a man he's identified as commiting financial crimes.

The problem is Timboslicegb is so fucking retarded, I am having an impossible time getting any of this through his skull. Don't worry, Phil reads this thread anyways.

You know what a random thing that I remembered now? In January, when OiC was using the account WestSydePhil, he cheered saying "Stop asking if I'm OnlyIcedCoffee or SuperHound". This stuck with me because I don't recall anyone in chat asking if he was SuperHound... I thought that was extremely weird, but I didn't pay much attention to that...

And by the way, didn't SuperHound stop messing with Phil like months ago? He seems to just target people on KiwiFarms and mainly on Twitter....

Well, if OiC is SuperHound, I will drink a cold Pepsi in celebration.

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

I'll humor the idea. OIC won't be mod in case Phil has to throw em' under the bus so it wont make Phil look like he was in on the fact that he was allowing this guy to donate stolen money for unknown reasons. Vidar 2.0?

Does feel like quite a stretch but I'll continue to see where this goes.

 

[Surly Muppet]

I believe OnlyIcedCoffee is Super Hound Media. That email address boostedtwitch@gmail.com was attached to a Twitter account that both self-identified as Super Hound Media, and told others in advance who Super Hound was going to falsely DMCA and why. Call it circumstantial, I don't care. I believe we have caught him red handed.

If this is true, and Phil is honest that Super Hound has been using stolen credit cards to tip and charge it back, it's fully possible that some of these cheers, subs, and tips from OIC and his alts are also from stolen credit cards. Phil is either profiting from financial crimes, or from a man he's identified as commiting financial crimes.

This was floated as an idea a few times, but as time has gone on it's harder to process, since both OiC and SH have been respectively all-in on pursing separate goals for a while now. It would beg the question as to why SuperHound appeared to try to directly and severely fuck with Phil. He couldn't have known that the DMCA stuff would not have got Phil banned from Twitch, or that the (alleged) stolen cards would not have cut off most avenues of payment for Phil by getting him banned. Those kind of gambles are not really compatible with then giving Phil tens of thousands of dollars.

If he isn't concerned about this because he is using stolen cards to tip Phil as OiC, that's still a big gamble, because with that much money going on the card(s), it's unclear how he would know which cards are 'safe' and the owners would then not subsequently report the cards as stolen and charge it all back, in which case Phil would associate him with chargebacks. Or Twitch would ban his main account.

Basically the SH/OiC theory comes down to two possibilities - either Phil is absolutely complicit with this, the trolling is a smokescreen, he is overall netting money from the cards that are reported stolen/charged back, and the two have effectively started a credit fraud operation (in which case I'm unsure why SH would want to cut Phil in anyway). Or, SH is beyond unhinged and tried to sabotage Phil with stolen credit cards, while then feeding him tens of thousands of his own money for undetermined reasons. If it's the latter and Phil is remotely aware that they're the same person, he should be careful, because this is actually the type of person that would be liable to try to get him killed once he gets bored or something.

It's not impossible, but it would mean that Phil has finally attracted a potentially dangerous autistic cow, and is sloppily scamming and using him as an April Fool's joke. Rather unwise.

 

[WolverineGuy22]

I believe OnlyIcedCoffee is Super Hound Media.

based

 

[That Anony Mouse]

If he is using stolen cards to tip Phil as OiC, that's still a big gamble, because with that much money going on the card(s), it's unclear how he would know which cards are 'safe' and the owners would then not subsequently report the cards as stolen and charge it all back, in which case Phil would associate him with chargebacks. Or Twitch would ban his main account.

He doesn't need to, there's tons of ways to launder money from stolen credit cards.

Phil said once that in a night where he got over $2,000 in chargebacks, he only lost $60 through Paypal fees and it was no big deal. He'd easily be making a net profit, especially with the bits and subs from OIC's alts like Bigby Wolf.

I have no clue what this guy's endgame could be anymore. Publicly lashing out for attention due to mental illness? That'd be a first in the history of the internet!

 

[Fill Bern El]

Basically the SH/OiC theory comes down to two possibilities - either Phil is absolutely complicit with this, the trolling is a smokescreen, he is overall netting money from the cards that are reported stolen/charged back, and the two have effectively started a credit fraud operation (in which case I'm unsure why SH would want to cut Phil in anyway). Or, SH is beyond unhinged and tried to sabotage Phil with stolen credit cards, while then feeding him tens of thousands of his own money for undetermined reasons. If it's the latter and Phil is remotely aware that they're the same person, he should be careful, because this is actually the type of person that would be liable to try to get him killed once he gets bored or something.

Hypothetically, let's say SH and DSP have a scam operation going on. OIC has been around for a minute now, so why hasn't there been chargebacks? If people are legitimately losing money and stuff, credit card companies would presumably try and get the money back through paypal (or some operation/method like that). And if there have been chargebacks with reportedly stolen credit cards, well 2 things. Firstly, DSP has been quiet on this for a while now. Secondly, all the money is being funneled through two accounts. OIC's, and most importantly, DSP's. The reason why scammers try to get money through gift cards, cryptocurrency, and the like is because tracing that money is hard as fuck. In this scenario, you find two paypals and you've basically fucked the whole operation and have definitely found at least 1 of the 2 conspirators.

The latter scenario (from the quote) seems much more likely.

 

[Sugar Puppet]

I believe OnlyIcedCoffee is Super Hound Media. That email address boostedtwitch@gmail.com was attached to a Twitter account that both self-identified as Super Hound Media, and told others in advance who Super Hound was going to falsely DMCA and why. Call it circumstantial, I don't care. I believe we have caught him red handed.

If this is true, and Phil is honest that Super Hound has been using stolen credit cards to tip and charge it back, it's fully possible that some of these cheers, subs, and tips from OIC and his alts are also from stolen credit cards. Phil is either profiting from financial crimes, or from a man he's identified as commiting financial crimes.

The problem is Timboslicegb is so fucking retarded, I am having an impossible time getting any of this through his skull. Don't worry, Phil reads this thread anyways.

I agree OIC being Super Hound isn't outside of the realm of possibility but do you have a screencap or archive proving that that email was associated with a Super Hound account? The way OIC and Super Hound talk about doxxing gives me the impression that they would at least be knowledgeable enough to be cautious with their internet footprint and wouldn't use a personal gmail account for a paypal burner account or for their twitter or something that could tie the two together.

 

[That Anony Mouse]

I agree OIC being Super Hound isn't outside of the realm of possibility but do you have a screencap or archive proving that that email was associated with a Super Hound account? The way OIC and Super Hound talk about doxxing gives me the impression that they would at least be knowledgeable enough to be cautious with their internet footprint and wouldn't use a personal gmail account for a paypal burner account or for their twitter or something that could tie the two together.

Nope, not right now. It was confessed in Twitter DMs towards Poem Josh whose Twitter is locked due to DMCA claims falsely filed. Once he has access, if he regains it, then he will.

 

[That Anony Mouse]

Also, fwiw, Twitch Partners have protection if their bits or subs came from stolen credit cards. Twitch pays them out as intended and eats the loss. If he's usings alts like Overpowered Boone with a stolen card then Phil still receives it.

 

[Jasper2K]

I may be getting things mixed up because Phil has a lot of pay pigs. But, didn't OIC start tipping around the time PlanetJeff stopped tipping?

 

[Surly Muppet]

Also, fwiw, Twitch Partners have protection if their bits or subs came from stolen credit cards. Twitch pays them out as intended and eats the loss. If he's usings alts like Overpowered Boone with a stolen card then Phil still receives it.

I feel like there has to be a ceiling on that. If Phil were being gifted at least 200 subs every month for 5 months from one username (which we know is consistent from the leaderboard and people who received subs from him), and there was constant issues with stolen credit cards from that user, they would probably at least ban the user giving the subs. After a while, they'd probably also lose interest in protecting the streamer, since he is still engaging with the user and hasn't banned him in the chat. Whatever OiC is doing, the overwhelming majority of his transactions through Twitch must be legit or we'd have seen some sort of movement with OiC's account by now.

I may be getting things mixed up in my head because Phil has a lot of pay pigs. But, didn't OIC start tipping around the time PlanetJeff stopped tipping?

To my knowledge, yes, a few months after Jeff stopped contributing on streams. I checked before and Jeff went dark after his doxing in 2019. He stayed active as a Patreon contributor, and I believe still is.
He reappeared to resub to Phil at the start of May in 2020, then went dark again. The end of May 2020 is the first appearance of OiC according to PigPigGo.
Jeff then reappeared to contribute once, on July 16th, during the first DMCA ban, as Phil was streaming on YT. He tipped $25.
OiC was also active that day, but he was contributing when Phil was streaming on Twitch. This is the only day on which the two appeared together, albeit on different platforms, and Jeff has been MIA since.

During one of the Ask The Kings in 2020, Jeff submitted a question, asking Phil for his future game schedule so that he could plan time off work around what Phil was playing. This suggests that Jeff is still an avid Phil fan, as well as severely unhinged, even if he is no longer active under the PlanetJeff name. It also indicates his contribution on Patreon is at or over $20.

I don't track the chat though, so it's possible that OiC appeared before this and didn't contribute right away.

 

[That Anony Mouse]

I feel like there has to be a ceiling on that. If Phil were being gifted at least 200 subs every month for 5 months from one username (which we know is consistent from the leaderboard and people who received subs from him), and there was constant issues with stolen credit cards from that user, they would probably at least ban the user giving the subs. After a while, they'd probably also lose interest in protecting the streamer, since he is still engaging with the user and hasn't banned him in the chat. Whatever OiC is doing, the overwhelming majority of his transactions through Twitch must be legit or we'd have seen some sort of movement with OiC's account by now.


To my knowledge, yes. I checked before and Jeff went dark after his doxing in 2019. He stayed active as a Patreon contributor, and I believe still is.
He reappeared to resub to Phil at the start of May in 2020. The end of May is the first appearance of OiC according to PigPigGo.
Jeff then reappeared to contribute once, on July 16th, during the first DMCA ban, as Phil was streaming on YT. He tipped $25.
OiC was also active that day, but he was contributing when Phil was streaming on Twitch. This is the only day on which the two appeared together, and Jeff has been MIA since.

During one of the Ask The Kings in 2020, Jeff submitted a question, asking Phil for his future game schedule so that he could plan time off work around what Phil was playing. The suggests that Jeff is still an avid Phil fan, as well as severely unhinged, even if he is no longer active under the PlanetJeff name. It also indicates his contribution on Patreon is at or over $20.

I don't track the chat though, so it's possible that OiC appeared before this and didn't contribute right away.

Make a Twitch sock on a VPN. Buy bits with stolen card. Cheer them to Phil. Account gets deleted. Phil keeps bits. OIC is unaffected since it was on VPN.

Pretty easy grift.

 

[Surly Muppet]

Make a Twitch sock on a VPN. Buy bits with stolen card. Cheer them to Phil. Account gets deleted. Phil keeps bits. OIC is unaffected since it was on VPN.

Pretty easy grift.

You're right, but you're talking about bits. OiC's main (visible) contributions have been via subs where this wouldn't be possible because we can see that they're all associated with his main account. The gifted subs are credited to his account in notifications and the leaderboard, and notifications on the subs he gifted as OiC then changed to correspond with each individual name change. He can't be using socks for this or these updates would not happen. That would mean that he has at least given thousands of dollars through Twitch under that account name, and they have taken no action against any stolen credit cards or chargebacks. At the very least, the subs must be attached to real money because they're all attached to one account.

 

[UaineRunei]

So... you guys remember the first time Superhound started to claim any detractor content on Twitter and Youtube? I was looking at that thread to see if I could gather any info that could help with this situation. Well, I found some info that you guys might already know, but I think it's very relevant today. Anyway, let's start:

Superhound was using an account named "BTFO Copyright" on twitter when all of the claims started. The account had one single follower, according to a screenshot posted by @LyteSydeByll :

BTFO Copyright has 1 follower:
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Johann Weiss likes every post by BTFO Copyright

JMAA.TV is some cringe alt-right "comedy" site it looks like.

BTFO Copyright claims to be a firm in New York, no company with BTFO in their name exists in that state. They have no website. No public e-mail.

I think the guy denied all the accusations at the time and I think it was determined that he wasn't fully involved with it. However, even tough this guy might not be SuperHound, I really think he might be OiC. Why? You can see his post here on KiwiFarms (warning, the content might make you sick).

Anyway, in this thread, not only this guy is described with the same behavior as OiC (obessed with Twitch Streamers, was a formed Twitch Streamer mod, obessed with being a mod, donates big money to streamer at the point he even considers taking a loan, is a gay fury, has a work in a company that deals with menatlly disabled people, etc) a post caught my attention. It was from a guy that knows who this weirdo is. I'll quote the entire thing here:

Have to reply here as I've been highly involved in JMAA's lore. The username he knows me by is Killroy and I was the one who originally got him to do the naked Fortnite dance (AKA the "Wank for rank").

I met JMAA from a certain streamer's discord and originally intended to help him understand why he was failing on YouTube and gave him some legitimate advice he could have followed to rectify his issues. He being a mong obviously ignored said advice and started to make more copy-paste content stolen from other YouTubers which lead to me becoming one of his major detractors and trolls.

One of my first forms of trolling JMAA which really set him off was the "JMAA army" saga. Me and some allies formed a unit called the JMAA Army who systematically mass-raided small streamers, flooding their chat with messages such as "JMAA sends his regards" and filling their discord servers with porn and hateful .gifs centering around Juan.

Spoiler: Examples [NSFW]

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As these raids came to JMAA's attention (due to various larger streamers coming to JMAA and mass-reporting him) he thought the best defense would be to make videos on his Twitter (now suspended). The content of these videos basically consisted of JMAA repeating my username, calling the people reporting him "fucking idiots" and then babbling on like usual about "lefty tactics" being deployed. These people were then coming to my server and messaging me accusing me of things the JMAA army and I had obviously done, however using my wits and sharp tongue I managed to convince them that I was in fact innocent and JMAA had made various threats to my family and was doing the exact same thing to me that he was doing to them.

Spoiler: The Tweets to End All Tweets

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Click here for a good read...

Eventually as these raids reached their height JMAA reached out and contacted me asking for forgiveness. We came to an agreement that if he gave me $100 and hosted my friend Barry Collars' streams he would be absolved and the raids would cease.
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This agreement lasted two days before one of JMAA's favourite streamers at the time laughed at him and called him pathetic for agreeing to it which sent Juan in a rage, he messaged me saying he would not be paying me and to fuck off. I once again began raiding in JMAA's name and started gathering his information hardcore style from his Facebook and other places he had stupidly dox'd himself. I had promptly discovered his workplace.

Suddenly out of the blue sometime later JMAA messages me and says he will pay me and asks for my Paypal and being sensible and not a tard like him I added a new throwaway email to my Paypal so he could pay me without being able to obtain any private information. He goes ahead and sends me $1 and tells me to fuck off and I imagine cackled to himself thinking he had just trolled me big time, he however had just made a big mistake and gave me his phone number that he hadn't wiped from his Paypal ?. Doxing your own phone number, the most classic troll in the book.
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There's more information to be had about me and JMAA's beef but nothing comes to mind rn and I can't find anything necessarily useful to put here besides what I already have but imagine I'll update at some point.

However, pay attention to this part here:

Suddenly out of the blue sometime later JMAA messages me and says he will pay me and asks for my Paypal and being sensible and not a tard like him I added a new throwaway email to my Paypal so he could pay me without being able to obtain any private information. He goes ahead and sends me $1 and tells me to fuck off and I imagine cackled to himself thinking he had just trolled me big time, he however had just made a big mistake and gave me his phone number that he hadn't wiped from his Paypal ?. Doxing your own phone number, the most classic troll in the book.
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It might be a coincidence, but holy shit. Just put in perspective JMAA and OiC side by side...
Anyway, that's what I want to point out. Maybe I'm retarded and everything is wrong. If so, I'll join the fellow DSP viewers in his chat

 

[That Anony Mouse]

You're right, but you're talking about bits. OiC's main (visible) contributions have been via subs where this wouldn't be possible because we can see that they're all associated with his main account. The gifted subs are credited to his account in notifications and the leaderboard, and notifications on the subs he gifted as OiC then changed to correspond with each individual name change. He can't be using socks for this or these updates would not happen. That would mean that he has at least given thousands of dollars through Twitch under that account name, and they have taken no action against any stolen credit cards or chargebacks. At the very least, the subs must be attached to real money because they're all attached to one account.

Yep. The transactions going through the OIC account have to be real. While both sets of facts don't complement each other, they don't disqualify each other either. I have nothing more to add at this point.

 

[Third_World_Detractor]

I don't track the chat though, so it's possible that OiC appeared before this and didn't contribute right away.

First time he show in my research is on May 22 2020.

 

[Crooked 16th]

Gotta be Tut, Does Phil think that Tut would just go away and not comeback?

 

[Gramh]

In defense of the OIC = Superhound theory, nothing about either of the two of them scream a lot of foresight in their actions, just retards flailing in the wind trying to get what they want and what they want is DSP's attention which is the only definable end goal either of them could possibly have as Superhound is a professed fan of DSP and is fucking with him because DSP spit in his face, OIC is throwing his wallet at DSP in the meanwhile for anything from being an unironic fan to wanting that modship or at least control over DSP's streams which he has managed a bit of with escalating sub goals. It's all really autistic shit at the end of the day and any number of conspiracy theories about what all this shit is would be just as likely as anything else.

 

[Surly Muppet]

First time he show in my research is on May 22 2020.

That would fit then, as the first time I found a contribution from him, it was on May 29th.

Part of the reason I suspected the two may be connected was because OiC appeared right after Jeff came out of hiding, and then remained active as Jeff promptly disappeared again. I have a hard time believing a whale of his caliber who is still obviously a fan would not want to still be actively contributing on streams. The day where they appeared together could be an anomaly because Jeff wanted to make sure Phil knew it was him tipping while he was on YT, so he used his regular name instead of the OiC alias he then resumed using on Twitch.

Jeff would be paranoid about doxing, prompting an alias, because his workplace's social media was bombarded after it happened. Similarly, OiC is paranoid about being identified. Jeff would have incentive to 'own the trolls' now, and OiC being Jeff could explain why Phil continues to trust him - they've been talking for a long time. There's nothing conclusive, but their timelines and actions do nothing to rule the possibility out.

 

[Fill Bern El]

So... you guys remember the first time Superhound started to claim any detractor content on Twitter and Youtube? I was looking at that thread to see if I could gather any info that could help with this situation. Well, I found some info that you guys might already know, but I think it's very relevant today. Anyway, let's start:

Superhound was using an account named "BTFO Copyright" on twitter when all of the claims started. The account had one single follower, according to a screenshot posted by @LyteSydeByll :


I think the guy denied all the accusations at the time and I think it was determined that he wasn't fully involved with it. However, even tough this guy might not be SuperHound, I really think he might be OiC. Why? You can see his post here on KiwiFarms (warning, the content might make you sick).

Anyway, in this thread, not only this guy is described with the same behavior as OiC (obessed with Twitch Streamers, was a formed Twitch Streamer mod, obessed with being a mod, donates big money to streamer at the point he even considers taking a loan, is a gay fury, has a work in a company that deals with menatlly disabled people, etc) a post caught my attention. It was from a guy that knows who this weirdo is. I'll quote the entire thing here:



However, pay attention to this part here:


It might be a coincidence, but holy shit. Just put in perspective JMAA and OiC side by side...
Anyway, that's what I want to point out. Maybe I'm retarded and everything is wrong. If so, I'll join the fellow DSP viewers in his chat

oh dear lord he looks bad

nonetheless, superhound has shown before how he DMCA takedowns youtube posts, he has this thing that looks like a chrome extension and he just mass flags using it

no idea what it's called and can't remember the sauce since this was back when memeology was getting hit

but essentially, the system he used to take down youtube posts wouldn't exactly be the hardest thing to teach one another if, in fact, OIC and SH are different people

and I assume the YT thing would be similiar to twitter as well