US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
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Local FloRida-man said:
Arent like, 85% of the people who live in DC federal government workers? Is the US federal gov really voting to give itself states rights? I know it's dead in the water, but come the fuck on...
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Wouldnt that make a sovereign nation? I really dont know the implications beyond a voting edge.
 
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If those "stuffy rules" weren't there in the first place then it wouldn't have taken root the way it did. You're talking around my point without addressing it. A bunch of college graduates didn't lead the people who'd become progressive into that ideology, the culture did so in a manner that lead them that way. Had the culture not had an overbearing right-wing authoritarian presence the situation we see today simply wouldn't have a reason to exist.

Ethno-nationalism and theocrats are both concerned, typically, with conserving cultural/traditional values, but through ethnic homogeneity or religious homogeneity. Ethno-nationalists of the white variety are also commonly concerned that with the changing of the genetic makeup of the population, so too goes with it the founding stock's ideals and shared culture. Ditto for theocrats except you can neatly change out the racial focus for a religious one. In a way, conservatives are merely ethno-nationalists/theocrats without the overt hyper-focusing on race or religion. They're often even accused as much by the former and the latter, that they're "weak" and "don't go far enough".

So if you can be conservative without being overly concerned about ethnicity or religion, instead only caring about core values and tradition, it stands to reason that there's no reason you cannot be a leftie without necessarily being vulnerable to buying into their analogous counterparts such as identity politics or gender politics.

I don't really need to describe what they could be associated with when it should suffice to explain what it isn't. And I already have.

It's not, though. It's merely a position that conservatives commonly hold. Ideological positions aren't territories ideologies can plant their flags on and claim like pieces of property. This is like saying that miscegenation being abhorrent is an ethno-nationalist position, or that welfare systems being necessary to a healthy society is a progressive position when there's plenty of people across the political spectrum who'd agree with one, the other, or both.

And I keep making the distinction very clearly because that line of thinking is used very often to justify, as I said, pigeonholing people as "allies" or as one of your own when they're not. Cooption is annoying and makes conversation regarding such topics unnecessarily difficult.

Why? It doesn't ultimately matter, as it's again sufficient to point out what it isn't when the conversation is specifically whether or not they are [political affiliation] or not. Same as if I were talking about whether or not a group or individual were progressive, liberal, libertarian, whatever.

No it really wasn't. This transgenderism shit has only really been taking off since 2013-2014, thereabouts. By the time gay marriage was fully legalized in the U.S. (2015) it had been normalized in the public view for years.

Just because you can't see the logic in a position doesn't make it untenable nor does it make it illogical for someone to buy into it. The modern political landscape should have shown you that by now.

As far as why it'd be by necessity, in a situation in which times are rough it's not only not uncommon but rather prevalent to look out for yourself and those closest to you. Your ideas of how the world should work and what could fix it don't change basic human nature. Or are you going to argue that they'll have a better start than millenials did?

That's nice but they won't give a fuck, and that's what I'm saying. The time for such ideas to take hold and actually win people over, especially the generation coming up, have passed. You seem to either not get that or unwilling to accept that. Regardless of what your opinions on the topic are, I'm not arguing for or against the positions I'm theorizing they'll have - I'm merely pointing out what I think they'll be of the lot who don't buy into the propaganda they're being fed in public schools and the media. You seem to keep trying to convince me I'm wrong about this like I'm the one who believes this shit. I mean whether or not you like my predictions, whatever, but if you're expecting these people to listen to you and by-the-books old-school conservatism, you're pissing up a rope and indeed all over yourself.

It's increasingly clear to me that you think so not because it objectively is, but rather that you cannot accept that it possibly could be. You do you man but your view on the situation and the necessary means to counteract it are seen as claptrap by the people we're talking about. Hell, I'm not exactly young and it was seen as such back when I was getting out of high school, and I even agree with most of it for fuck's sake.

Whether or not you want to, what you're suggesting will indeed lead back to it.

Yeah? And remind me again what gave them such prominence over the non fundie conservatives? Oh, right, the very same system that's perpetuating the current hysterical leftists who are acting in their place as the witch-hunters and whip-lashers of society. You act as if though they wouldn't just be coronated in the same way that the progressives were after O.W.S. You swing that pendulum right back to where it was, and you'll get exactly what you had. You'd be slotting out our current problem for one we've already as a society moved past, and this time they'd be as fervent as the progs, or more likely even more fervent given that they'd be scared witless of being cast out again.

Has the thought never occurred to you that they didn't have to listen to what was obviously a loud minority? Or did you/do you think that federally elected politicians, who are known to be most often lawyers and psychopaths to boot, are so brain-dead stupid as to really follow the paradigm of giving the squeaky wheel the grease? Of course not. Remind me again what kind of person was for the Patriot Act? What kind of person voted George Bush Jr. into the white house? If my point isn't obvious by now maybe this will drive it home:
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the people who've been in these positions, and/or have had relatives or friends in these positions for thirty, forty, fifty years don't give a fuck about petty squabbles regarding gay marriage or whether or not trannies can use women's restrooms. They don't give a fuck how many illegals rob/rape/murder americans. They don't give a shit and never have. Trying to pass off the religious right as if though they weren't just the extreme version (or as you put it when talking about progressives and them sharing a "substantial rational base" with moderate lefties) of conservatism is laughable. They were elevated to cause as much of a kerfuffle as possible in the public political discourse over shit that ultimately doesn't have even half the effect of say, jobs being shipped overseas or immigration illegal and otherwise drowning out opportunities and depressing wages for the native population - or being in pointless wars for shitty reasons. You know, shit that if the public actually could come together and demand be fixed would hurt the bottom line of elected officials of both parties? Same way that the progs have been.

We simply aren't going to fix a problem by reverting to the same state that helped both it along and the people who fomented it in the first place. If we do we'll just end up right back where we started, people squabbling over bullshit that won't ultimately bring the country any further towards betterment and ever further down the spiral of slow decay from within.

Hey man I at least try and spoiler my autism when it creeps up so you doesn't clog up the page for those who don't give a shit.

Says a lot that they're going for D.C. before Puerto Rico.
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DC would be the only 'state' which would have a wall that our border deserves.
 
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FunPosting101 said:
Can the GOP even do that for a bill that hasn't even passed through the house yet?
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Get an injunction after it passes to the House to prevent it from proceeding further, on the grounds that Congress needs to amend the Constitution to give DC statehood. Will the injunction be granted? Will it stick? Doesn’t matter, start the legal process now and don’t wait till it passes the Senate on a tiebreaker vote, and the USSC refuses to hear it because something about YAWN SOOOOO SLEEPY.
 
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Get an injunction after it passes to the House to prevent it from proceeding further, on the grounds that Congress needs to amend the Constitution to give DC statehood. Will the injunction be granted? Will it stick? Doesn’t matter, start the legal process now and don’t wait till it passes the Senate on a tiebreaker vote, and the USSC refuses to hear it because something about YAWN SOOOOO SLEEPY.
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I wish I could rate things optimistic.
 
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DeadFish said:
Wouldnt that make a sovereign nation? I really dont know the implications beyond a voting edge.
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If clownworld takes full hold and this gets through you'd essentially get a tiny city-state where every resident is involved in every level of government: city, state, AND fed. The actual federal buildings wouldnt be part of it (those stay federal property) but literally everything around it would be part of this city-state. The federal buildings would essentially be held hostage by this new "state" as all the government buildings would rely on it for water, sewage, power, transportation, security, etc. It would hold unbelievable power over our entire government. Not that it would need that since, y'know, everyone running the government would be the ones living there.

DC would become the single most disgustingly well-funded, low taxed, well defended state in the union. And probably STILL wind up an absolute shithole since it'd be unanimously under dem control.
 
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Lol watch The Supreme Court, including Donnie's RINOs say there's nothing wrong afoot.
Can't believe that faggot got three chances and squandered all three of them.
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More like two. Kennedy was prickish enough to not leave unless it was Kavanaugh. Gorsuch is a meh, but Barrett is the absolute worst. Cucks around on even the conservative-leaning issues, and could have been the vote to accept an election case. But, no...

Honestly, with her, it feels as if it was another attempt to own the Libs with woman this time. But the Trump three are all McConnell's rubes. Not like it helps him repeal the ObamaCare stain.
 
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Doomerism is both justified and unjustified- justified in that the left is the mainstream, and that speaking out can result in a considerably harder personal life,
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So what? This is the excuse the right gives when dooming. Who said this will be easy or overnight? You either do something and take your lumps, leave to a less retarded place or live with it and shut up.

I'm done with outrage porn and impotence on all sides of the right. Come up with a solution or plan to get the fuck out of dodge.

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Lol watch The Supreme Court, including Donnie's RINOs say there's nothing wrong afoot.

Can't believe that faggot got three chances and squandered all three of them.
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I'd like to see you become president and try to pick le based judges only to realize that you are dealing with the system you dense dolt. Have you not realized that most GOP picked SCOTUS judges cucked. Trump even relied on a list made be conservative advocacy groups.
 
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Navalny is a fucking idiot. This is the guy worth starting shit over? What a joke.

Navalny is George Floyd-tier in terms of deserving a mass uprising and informing policy decisions. So of course they'll probably start a war over this asshole.
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I wish the CIA asset would just die already, it's embarassing the glowies would even support him.
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What is the story with this russian guy? i'd google it but i'm 99% sure i'll just be met with propaganda.
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CIA asset the western media props up as some anti-Putin hero and not some equally despotic leader who would enrich himself with globohomo like Yeltsin did.
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And how quickly will this go dead in the water?
LurkTrawl said:
Says a lot that they're going for D.C. before Puerto Rico.
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Puerto Rico, as much as it people vote for statehood, will never become a state due to how reliant their economy is on gibs from the government. Going into statehood would make them lose those gibs. Thus they sit there like a parasite almost entirely useless unlike the dozen or so Islands and associated states the US has in the Pacific. Hell even the Phillipines had more strategic value in the short time we had it than PR ever has. Our only use for it was to help keep a open line to the Panama Canal and of course Carter screwed that up.
 
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HumanHive said:
Get an injunction after it passes to the House to prevent it from proceeding further, on the grounds that Congress needs to amend the Constitution to give DC statehood. Will the injunction be granted? Will it stick? Doesn’t matter, start the legal process now and don’t wait till it passes the Senate on a tiebreaker vote, and the USSC refuses to hear it because something about YAWN SOOOOO SLEEPY.
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Not opposed to legally stopping this before it even leaves the house at all, but I'm pretty sure the GOP would filibuster the crap out of this bill if it ever got to the senate.
 
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