Disaster All LA Skid Row Homeless Must Be Offered Housing By October, Federal Judge Orders - Weaponization of the lumpenproletariat against society continues...

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter set a timetable by which single women and unaccompanied children must be offered placement within three months, families must be given shelter within four months, and every indigent person on Skid Row would be given the opportunity to come off the streets by Oct. 18.​

Fed up by what he considers government inaction, bureaucratic paralysis and a lack of accountability, a federal judge Tuesday suddenly ordered the city and county of Los Angeles to offer housing to the entire homeless population of downtown's Skid Row by October.

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter set a timetable by which single women and unaccompanied children must be offered placement within three months, families must be given shelter within four months, and every indigent person on Skid Row would be given the opportunity to come off the streets by Oct. 18.

Mayor Eric Garcetti called the timetable "unprecedented" in terms of speed.

"I want to read (the order) and understand how (the judge) would envision that happening, where the rooms, the real estate etc. (are)," Garcetti said. "I've had great conversations with the judge. Obviously that would be an unprecedented pace, not just for Los Angeles but for any place I've ever seen for homelessness in America. And I want to be as bold and as ambitious as him, but like I said, I think many of us feel it's not just about getting people into shelter, it's getting people into homes."

The groundbreaking 110-page order comes in response to a request for immediate court intervention submitted last week by the plaintiffs in a year-old federal lawsuit seeking to compel the city and county to quickly and effectively deal with the homelessness crisis.

Skid Row is a spread-out 50-block warren of downtown streets containing one of the largest populations of indigent people in the nation.

Skip Miller, outside counsel for the county, said Carter's order "goes well beyond what the plaintiffs have asked for.'' He added that the county was evaluating its options, including the possibility of an appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The judge wrote that the city and county of Los Angeles "created a legacy of entrenched structural racism,'' leaving Black people -- and especially Black women -- "effectively abandoned on the streets. Such governmental inertia has affected not only Black Angelenos, not only homeless Angelenos, but all Angelenos -- of every race, gender identity, and social class."

The judge said that virtually "every citizen of Los Angeles has borne the impacts of the city and county's continued failure to meaningfully confront the crisis of homelessness. The time has come to redress these wrongs and finish another measure of our nation's unfinished work."

Quoting Heidi Marston, director of the L.A. Homeless Services Authority, the judge wrote that "homelessness is a byproduct of racism."

In colorful language that takes in the Civil War and the Bruce's Beach case of forced displacement of Blacks in Manhattan Beach, Carter traced the start of the crisis downtown to the 1920s, when the city created the Municipal Service Bureau for Homeless Men in Skid Row to assist men by connecting them with philanthropic organizations that provided food and lodging.

However, "aid from such organizations was distributed selectively along racial lines," the judge found, adding that Los Angeles' highway infrastructure was "built as and remains a driver of racial inequality" by helping to displace and segregate non-white communities.

Near Skid Row now "are thriving neighborhoods -- namely the Arts District and Little Tokyo District. As these districts edge closer to the boundaries of containment, police presence within Skid Row grows stronger," the judge wrote.

Carter's housing order rejects city and county arguments that federal court intervention would improperly usurp the role of local government and upend longstanding programs already dealing with the crisis.

The motion was filed by the L.A. Alliance for Human Rights, a coalition of downtown business owners and residents that originally brought the lawsuit in March 2020. City and county attorneys strongly objected, arguing in court papers that the L.A. Alliance's "extraordinary" attempt to invoke the power of the court is "overbroad and unmanageable," lacks legal standing and would "improperly usurp the role of local government and its elected officials."

Elizabeth Mitchell, an attorney for L.A. Alliance, said the organization is "thrilled'' with Carter's order, which "takes the first step toward actually solving the homelessness crisis in Los Angeles."

She said that city and county leaders have repeatedly called for a FEMA-like response -- and "the judge is holding them to their word."

"He's also demanded accountability in the billions of dollars that are supposed to be used to house the unhoused -- who actually aren't being housed at all," she said. "The judge has recognized the fact of which nearly every citizen in Los Angeles is already acutely aware: that the status quo isn't working and cannot be allowed to continue. This order gives us hope that the solutions will finally start outpacing the problems."

In his order, Carter blasted Garcetti, who recently promised to spend nearly $1 billion on initiatives for addressing homelessness and other issues including sidewalk vending and arts activities. Instead, the judge ordered that the $1 billion "will be placed in escrow forthwith, with funding streams accounted for and reported to the court within seven days."

Carter wrote that despite the power to declare the homelessness crisis an emergency -- which would allow the city to "bypass the bureaucracy and eliminate the inefficiencies that currently stifle progress" -- Garcetti "has not employed the emergency powers given to him by the City Charter despite overwhelming evidence that the magnitude of the homelessness crisis is `beyond the control of the normal services' of the city government."

In his conclusion, Carter said that for all the governmental "declarations of success that we are fed, citizens themselves see the heartbreaking misery of the homeless and the degradation of their city and county. Los Angeles has lost its parks, beaches, schools, sidewalks and highway systems due to the inaction of city and county officials who have left our homeless citizens with no other place to turn.''

All of the "rhetoric, promises, plans and budgeting cannot obscure the shameful reality of this crisis -- that year after year, there are more homeless Angelenos, and year after year, more homeless Angelenos die on the streets,'' Carter wrote.

County official believe there are several thousand persons currently living on Skid Row streets. According to the Homeless Services Authority, 1,441 people in the area were temporarily housed last year.

L.A. Alliance lawyers have written that Skid Row is a "catastrophe created by the city and county'' in which the city adopted a policy of "physical containment'' whereby the poor, disabled and mentally ill would be "contained'' inside the delineated borders of Skid Row.

Over the past year, with federal courthouses closed or not fully operational due to the coronavirus pandemic, Carter has held emergency hearings in such locations as Los Angeles City Hall and a women's shelter in Skid Row.

"Undoubtedly, both the city and county will feel that such an order is diminishing their powers,'' the L.A. Alliance said in a statement when it signaled it would seek a preliminary injunction. "Yet, in the absence of a consensual agreement by the parties, court intervention becomes necessary."

The L.A. Alliance said that after numerous settlement conferences and discussions, "it is clear that the local governments are unable/unwilling to address the problem adequately. The courts must take a more active role."

Nine days after the lawsuit was filed last year, the parties suspended litigation with the intent to explore a settlement "and set the stage for a comprehensive solution in the city and county of L.A.," the plaintiffs stated.

Proposed solutions became bogged down in bureaucratic snarls between the city and county, prompting Carter to consider how he might deploy the power of the federal court to speed up efforts to get city sidewalks cleared and place homeless people into housing.


If I were mayor of Los Angeles, I would begin immediate eminent domain proceedings against the judge, his neighbors, the lawyers for the plaintiff, and their neighbors, for conversion into housing for the homeless.

But then, I am a spiteful man.
 
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This is going to be a re-enactment of them giving bus tickets to the homeless and sending them elsewhere like they did in 1984 to clean up their image for the Olympics. They won't fix the problem, just send it somewhere else, like they always do.
If they don't need to deal with it and hand it off to someone else, that's fixing the problem.

You want sanctuary districts? Cause that's how you get sanctuary districts!
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Look at that fucker strutting with his luxury refrigerator box.

Fucking disgusting trying to act outside his class.
 
What’s gonna happen is there’s gonna be some sort of incentive offered to landlords, they’re going to buy property with the intent purpose of sheltering crackheads, they’ll turn into unliveable hellholes that fester and agitate their denizens’ issues, effectively turning them into halfway houses (which are already a thing) except with no administration, which the rich will use as tax shelters somehow to avoid paying income taxes.

Or something to that degree.
 
Literally every single attempt to "fix" the homeless problem by just giving them houses has failed. Mostly because, even if I wanted to be impartial, you aren't fixing any of the underlying causes of WHY they are homeless like mental issues, drugs, et cetera. Every single attempt at this has resulted in the homeless people just destroying the houses/hotels they were put in.

Also, LOLLA. Between this and Maxine Waters, what a shit hole. It's like they see Chicago as a golden standard to emulate.
 
It's sad that all these bleeding hearts don't actually spend any time with these people to understand the enormity of the problem.
That’s heavily implying these people actually want to do something about the problem instead of chasing cheap clout they can flaunt on social media.
 
The kind of homeless people that would be successful at keeping housing don't live in LA's Skid Row, they go to a city/state that's better at providing services.

The only way this might work is if they emulate NYC's model from the nineties/early 2000s, which was a product of Giuliani and Legal Aid fighting it out in the courts. Eventually homeless families were sent to shelters to be evaluated and assessed and then sent to social service agency run homeless shelters for families, to be screened for issues and offered services then monitored for whatever issues they had. Couples and single adults went through a similar process. It wasn't perfect but it was far better than stewing in the streets in your filth and if the shelters became too Big Brother one could hit up a homeless rights lawyer's group. Eventually the homeless would be offered a place in one of the city housing projects, a building that was all Section 8 apartments, a Section 8 voucher or an apartment in a building that catered to a specific population (severely mentally ill, developmentally disabled, domestic violence victims, etc).

This system was dismantled during the Bloomberg administration; the homeless got no vouchers, just rental assistance for a couple of years and then they went right back in the shelters. Our Big Bird mayor hasn't changed anything about it so now we have wandering hobos and tent cities everywhere, again.

Garcetti is full of shit, just like De Blasio is full of shit. It can be done instead of pandering to special interests and preening for the cameras. I like the part about the 1 billion in escrow, hopefully the 9th Circuit won't cuck out (but they probably will).

Hold them to their own standards and do not loosen the grip.
 
There are plenty of people that could use the help and will turn their life around with a home. Plenty others who will deny the housing too because they just want to continue living on the street. Considering how ridiculous the housing market is in California I dont blame people for ending up on the street, especially if they've been a local to the state all their life.
 
I thought they were already housing them in hotels due to covid. And most of the hotels that were forced into this are now destroyed to the point of needing to be torn down and rebuilt before paying guests would be willing to come back.

If it's anything like the hotel housing in Seattle, it's housing only a small fraction of the homeless since they can't be forced off the street.

Literally every single attempt to "fix" the homeless problem by just giving them houses has failed. Mostly because, even if I wanted to be impartial, you aren't fixing any of the underlying causes of WHY they are homeless like mental issues, drugs, et cetera. Every single attempt at this has resulted in the homeless people just destroying the houses/hotels they were put in.

Also, LOLLA. Between this and Maxine Waters, what a shit hole. It's like they see Chicago as a golden standard to emulate.

I've been nurturing a theory that the longer someone is homeless, the harder it is to get them off the street long-term, regardless of any other factors.

A common story among homeless who got kicked out of free housing is that they essentially forgot how to be civilized. Living on the street for years requires you to have fucked up ways of dealing with other people and inevitably creates patterns of anti-social behavior, such as hoarding garbage, trashing the area around you, and defecating wherever/whenever you feel the need.

So, of course, a large minority of recently housed homeless get kicked out for starting fights with neighbors, being too loud, trashing the apartment, and/or defecating in the building's common areas.

I also think it's likely that, even if you go into homelessness sane and sober, the longer you're on the street, the more likely you'll pick up an addiction, a mental illness, or both.

This is a legitimate crisis, but solving the crisis requires violating the "rights" of the homeless to stay on the street. A large number of them have to be forcibly corralled into housing and treatment for any local government to make headway on this issue.
 
There are plenty of people that could use the help and will turn their life around with a home. Plenty others who will deny the housing too because they just want to continue living on the street. Considering how ridiculous the housing market is in California I dont blame people for ending up on the street, especially if they've been a local to the state all their life.
I’ll give them props for at least staying in their state.
 
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Offering them places in rehab or psych wards would do more to solve the problem long term than sticking them in an apartment and so long, good luck. Every single one of those building they try to house these people in will be trashed and stripped to the beams this time next year.
 
You should hear the stories that come out of Section 8 housing. Horrors like you've never seen. They will just straight up take a shit on the floor, they don't care. If they're walking to their apartment and they have to piss, they'll whip it out and piss right in the hallway. I wish this was a joke. You can give them housing but they'll turn it into a disaster zone immediately.
 
If it's anything like the hotel housing in Seattle, it's housing only a small fraction of the homeless since they can't be forced off the street.



I've been nurturing a theory that the longer someone is homeless, the harder it is to get them off the street long-term, regardless of any other factors.

A common story among homeless who got kicked out of free housing is that they essentially forgot how to be civilized. Living on the street for years requires you to have fucked up ways of dealing with other people and inevitably creates patterns of anti-social behavior, such as hoarding garbage, trashing the area around you, and defecating wherever/whenever you feel the need.

So, of course, a large minority of recently housed homeless get kicked out for starting fights with neighbors, being too loud, trashing the apartment, and/or defecating in the building's common areas.

I also think it's likely that, even if you go into homelessness sane and sober, the longer you're on the street, the more likely you'll pick up an addiction, a mental illness, or both.

This is a legitimate crisis, but solving the crisis requires violating the "rights" of the homeless to stay on the street. A large number of them have to be forcibly corralled into housing and treatment for any local government to make headway on this issue.

You should hear the stories that come out of Section 8 housing. Horrors like you've never seen. They will just straight up take a shit on the floor, they don't care. If they're walking to their apartment and they have to piss, they'll whip it out and piss right in the hallway. I wish this was a joke. You can give them housing but they'll turn it into a disaster zone immediately.
It does fascinate me that, even if you wanted to be generous, no matter how many port-o-potties, or trash cans, or needle boxes, or anything actual recepticles like that you set up, they just refuse to use them. To the point that San Francisco literally has a team to wash poop out of the streets because they just ignore the port-o-potties.
 
It does fascinate me that, even if you wanted to be generous, no matter how many port-o-potties, or trash cans, or needle boxes, or anything actual recepticles like that you set up, they just refuse to use them. To the point that San Francisco literally has a team to wash poop out of the streets because they just ignore the port-o-potties.
It's about time that society acknowledges that, no, most of these people are not "just like us except that they're homeless." I'm not trying to be cold about it. It's just that they have a very different way of living that is incompatible with modern civilized society. That's often due to mental illness, but the unfortunate reality is that there have always been people who have lived this way since the dawn of time.
 
You should hear the stories that come out of Section 8 housing. Horrors like you've never seen. They will just straight up take a shit on the floor, they don't care. If they're walking to their apartment and they have to piss, they'll whip it out and piss right in the hallway. I wish this was a joke. You can give them housing but they'll turn it into a disaster zone immediately.
What I liked about the system in Giuliani's tenure is the homeless were sent to an intermediate shelter, where they were assessed by social and city workers for services and benefits, before being placed in a shelter. Anyone whipping out a peen or squatting to pee in a hallway would be immediately taken aside and if they had a meltdown either an ambulance or the NYPD would be called. Then they had to start all over again. Behavior changed real fast from what I was told.
 
Literally every single attempt to "fix" the homeless problem by just giving them houses has failed. Mostly because, even if I wanted to be impartial, you aren't fixing any of the underlying causes of WHY they are homeless like mental issues, drugs, et cetera. Every single attempt at this has resulted in the homeless people just destroying the houses/hotels they were put in.

Also, LOLLA. Between this and Maxine Waters, what a shit hole. It's like they see Chicago as a golden standard to emulate.

Finland did it rather successfully, but they also offer some counseling.

And the problem was much smaller there to begin with.
 
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