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You can just say women,Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.
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You can just say women,Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.
Not all women. Just all feminists.You can just say women,
Okay fine you melted my icy heart.Not all women. Just all feminists.
Because they look down on women. They think 'being their best selves' as women is putting on make-up and acting like a bimbo airhead and buying clothes and shinies. Women don't need a job or income, they just need to service men for money and attention. They all want to be a 'kept woman' but they're so dismissive of women they don't even do the things a homemaker actually does, like clean and maintain the house, cook, take care of kids or elderly relatives, etc.Why is it that they strive to be their best selves as "women," but not as men? Why do they find it so freeing to be women? Do they see the idealized woman as attainable, but the idealized man as not? Or are they just too autistic to have real self-awareness, and only think of the kind of person they're attracted to?
TERFs and Libfems aren’t the same, you know.Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.
Don’t care. All feminists are retarded.TERFs and Libfems aren’t the same, you know.![]()
Several posters here rated this "disagree" and I find this interesting.Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.
This ↓ is absolutely part of the answer.Here's something I've been wondering:
It is said often that MTF trans people are men imitating the women they are attracted to, "their type." The female image they imitate is very idealized, and usually doesn't resemble real women at all. Yet, many of these people seemed to have started out as shlubby, dorky beta males who had nothing much going for them.
Why is it that they strive to be their best selves as "women," but not as men? Why do they find it so freeing to be women? Do they see the idealized woman as attainable, but the idealized man as not? Or are they just too autistic to have real self-awareness, and only think of the kind of person they're attracted to?
If you spend any time on fitness forums with a large male userbase, you start to see the meme "All women need to do is be thin to be attractive." These men don't realize this statement is not only untrue but it also implies that women are only trying to be attractive to men and are not in active competition with one another (something that the people in this thread also clearly do not understand).Because they look down on women. They think 'being their best selves' as women is putting on make-up and acting like a bimbo airhead and buying clothes and shinies. Women don't need a job or income, they just need to service men for money and attention. They all want to be a 'kept woman' but they're so dismissive of women they don't even do the things a homemaker actually does, like clean and maintain the house, cook, take care of kids or elderly relatives, etc.
my husband’s friend married a really gorgeous looking, well dressed, catwalk-fashionista HSTS type. We’ve known this pseudo heteroexual couple for years (only ever post transition) and yet my husband cannot stop himself automatically greeting this beautiful, woman-looking human with a hearty, manly, handshake and a simultaneous pat on the back.Even as 'men' ftms retain the benefit of this 'benevolent sexism' that seems to be biologically encoded into all of us, you can't fool the instinctual part of the brain, and so they retain the full benefit of the considerable western female privilege. Never to be held accountable for their histrionic entitled bullshit. Just compare they way we talk about ftms vs the venom (rightly) directed at MtFs.
Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.
When all women are terfs, no one is.
Yes, TERFs/ “Radfems“ (4th wave) and Radical Feminists (2nd wave) are different, though they have some overlapping ideologies. (Correct me if I’m wrong about the waves.)Several posters here rated this "disagree" and I find this interesting.
TERF used to stand for "Trans Exclusionatory Radical Feminist", as in, a radical feminist who wanted men to be labeled as second class citizens like how women were for the longest time. Radfems hate men and are batshit.
If a Radfem condones troonery, that is called being a “Libfem”.However, troons don't hate radfems as long as thry get to be in the girl group of power, oppressing and possibly sissyfiying the second class cis bastards out there (and transmen if they remember those exist). No, they just hated any radfem who wouldn't say their girldick wasn't a ladydick.
I agree with everything said here. There is no punch to it. Being called a “TERF” has no effect on anyone anymore. Every woman, especially every lesbian, is simply a “TERF”.Over time, it evolved from "man hating woman who hates trans identifying people" to "a woman who disagrees with me" thanks to troons calling any woman that doesn't obey the girlcock TERF. Cis men don't get the same treatment since they bully back, usually hard (and more troons hate cis women for reasons covered earlier in the thread). Thus, a new TERF was formed: the terf, any woman who is trans critical in any way. This new category now includes every cis woman who won't tow a twitter, reddit, or discord circlejerk's party line. This can be as mild as a cis woman saying say that a troon is biologically male (reee I'm a bio girl don't disqualify meeee) to saying someone needs to put more effort into presenting female to you never will be a girl and so on. A lot of kiwis in this thread are this kind of terf and treat men as equals (hell some even marry them).
Basically I feel you OP, and I feel like Terf really has lost its original meaning. When all women are terfs, no one is.
I agree with everything said here. There is no punch to it. Being called a “TERF” has no effect on anyone anymore. Every woman, especially every lesbian, is simply a “TERF”.
its not (just) about passing. passing perfectly on its own will only affect how strangers who dont know you treat you, and that doesn't really mean anything cause interactions with complete strangers dont really impact life in a meaningful wayI really think that some TiFs do pass enough to actually go stealth.
because dressing up in lingerie and larping as slutty schoolgirls makes their coomer brains release endorphinsHere's something I've been wondering:
It is said often that MTF trans people are men imitating the women they are attracted to, "their type." The female image they imitate is very idealized, and usually doesn't resemble real women at all. Yet, many of these people seemed to have started out as shlubby, dorky beta males who had nothing much going for them.
Why is it that they strive to be their best selves as "women," but not as men? Why do they find it so freeing to be women? Do they see the idealized woman as attainable, but the idealized man as not? Or are they just too autistic to have real self-awareness, and only think of the kind of person they're attracted to?
I wouldn't say that's so much true. Many women, TERFs included, have male family members and/ or friends that they truly care about. It's not so much associating with or loving men as much as it is condoning oppressive behavior from those men.I reckon the majority of women who get called terves/now refer to ourselves as terves are really just version of say, Posie Parker and Karen from ‘You’re Kiddin’ Right?’ - we’d all get booted from the purity spiral of true TERF Club, either for marrying men, or wearing lipstick or hanging out with men at the sports bar rather than only socialising with fellow dykes.
Some of us have even, shock horror, given birth to FUTURE OPPRESSORS! Who we love!
I reckon the majority of women who get called terves/now refer to ourselves as terves are really just version of say, Posie Parker and Karen from ‘You’re Kiddin’ Right?’ - we’d all get booted from the purity spiral of true TERF Club, either for marrying men, or wearing lipstick or hanging out with men at the sports bar rather than only socialising with fellow dykes.
Some of us have even, shock horror, given birth to FUTURE OPPRESSORS! Who we love!
Karen’s stuff cracks me up (especially when she is going through her own comment section or looking at FtM frankensausagedick). Can’t post her in the terves thread because I am laughing with her, not at her. She must surely have an account on the farms?
I feel like you're over-complicating it as an excuse to dunk on 'muh female privilege'.Even as 'men' ftms retain the benefit of this 'benevolent sexism' that seems to be biologically encoded into all of us, you can't fool the instinctual part of the brain, and so they retain the full benefit of the considerable western female privilege. Never to be held accountable for their histrionic entitled bullshit. Just compare they way we talk about ftms vs the venom (rightly) directed at MtFs.
Being conventionally attractive takes a lot of effort, but I do think the majority of thin women are at least okay looking, even without makeup. Whereas men, as we’ve discussed on here before, are more likely to be at the outliers of any given scale than in the middle, including attractiveness. Autistic men are also more likely to have minor physical abnormalities (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_physical_anomalies) and I know we’ve had MTFs on here who clearly had other facially disfiguring genetic conditions. If a given ugly MTF had been born female he would’ve been more attractive.This ↓ is absolutely part of the answer.
If you spend any time on fitness forums with a large male userbase, you start to see the meme "All women need to do is be thin to be attractive." These men don't realize this statement is not only untrue but it also implies that women are only trying to be attractive to men and are not in active competition with one another (something that the people in this thread also clearly do not understand).
A woman, to this type of shlubby man, is just a non-man who gets to laze around and be taken care of by men. That's what they want. They want to be their normal sit-on-the-couch-and-masturbate selves but also have someone else provide for them financially, emotionally, sexually, etc.
Though I wouldn’t call them all batshit. I’d hate my oppressors too,
It's not so much associating with or loving men as much as it is condoning oppressive behavior from those men.