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Why is it that they strive to be their best selves as "women," but not as men? Why do they find it so freeing to be women? Do they see the idealized woman as attainable, but the idealized man as not? Or are they just too autistic to have real self-awareness, and only think of the kind of person they're attracted to?
Because they look down on women. They think 'being their best selves' as women is putting on make-up and acting like a bimbo airhead and buying clothes and shinies. Women don't need a job or income, they just need to service men for money and attention. They all want to be a 'kept woman' but they're so dismissive of women they don't even do the things a homemaker actually does, like clean and maintain the house, cook, take care of kids or elderly relatives, etc.
 
Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.
Several posters here rated this "disagree" and I find this interesting.

TERF used to stand for "Trans Exclusionatory Radical Feminist", as in, a radical feminist who wanted men to be labeled as second class citizens like how women were for the longest time. Radfems hate men and are batshit. However, troons don't hate radfems as long as thry get to be in the girl group of power, oppressing and possibly sissyfiying the second class cis bastards out there (and transmen if they remember those exist). No, they just hated any radfem who wouldn't say their girldick wasn't a ladydick.

Over time, it evolved from "man hating woman who hates trans identifying people" to "a woman who disagrees with me" thanks to troons calling any woman that doesn't obey the girlcock TERF. Cis men don't get the same treatment since they bully back, usually hard (and more troons hate cis women for reasons covered earlier in the thread). Thus, a new TERF was formed: the terf, any woman who is trans critical in any way. This new category now includes every cis woman who won't tow a twitter, reddit, or discord circlejerk's party line. This can be as mild as a cis woman saying say that a troon is biologically male (reee I'm a bio girl don't disqualify meeee) to saying someone needs to put more effort into presenting female to you never will be a girl and so on. A lot of kiwis in this thread are this kind of terf and treat men as equals (hell some even marry them).

Basically I feel you OP, and I feel like Terf really has lost its original meaning. When all women are terfs, no one is.
 
Here's something I've been wondering:

It is said often that MTF trans people are men imitating the women they are attracted to, "their type." The female image they imitate is very idealized, and usually doesn't resemble real women at all. Yet, many of these people seemed to have started out as shlubby, dorky beta males who had nothing much going for them.

Why is it that they strive to be their best selves as "women," but not as men? Why do they find it so freeing to be women? Do they see the idealized woman as attainable, but the idealized man as not? Or are they just too autistic to have real self-awareness, and only think of the kind of person they're attracted to?
This ↓ is absolutely part of the answer.
Because they look down on women. They think 'being their best selves' as women is putting on make-up and acting like a bimbo airhead and buying clothes and shinies. Women don't need a job or income, they just need to service men for money and attention. They all want to be a 'kept woman' but they're so dismissive of women they don't even do the things a homemaker actually does, like clean and maintain the house, cook, take care of kids or elderly relatives, etc.
If you spend any time on fitness forums with a large male userbase, you start to see the meme "All women need to do is be thin to be attractive." These men don't realize this statement is not only untrue but it also implies that women are only trying to be attractive to men and are not in active competition with one another (something that the people in this thread also clearly do not understand).
A woman, to this type of shlubby man, is just a non-man who gets to laze around and be taken care of by men. That's what they want. They want to be their normal sit-on-the-couch-and-masturbate selves but also have someone else provide for them financially, emotionally, sexually, etc.
 
Even as 'men' ftms retain the benefit of this 'benevolent sexism' that seems to be biologically encoded into all of us, you can't fool the instinctual part of the brain, and so they retain the full benefit of the considerable western female privilege. Never to be held accountable for their histrionic entitled bullshit. Just compare they way we talk about ftms vs the venom (rightly) directed at MtFs.
my husband’s friend married a really gorgeous looking, well dressed, catwalk-fashionista HSTS type. We’ve known this pseudo heteroexual couple for years (only ever post transition) and yet my husband cannot stop himself automatically greeting this beautiful, woman-looking human with a hearty, manly, handshake and a simultaneous pat on the back.
Every. Single. Time.
It’s precisely that instinctual brain thing.
Yes . TERFS are just as retarded as troons, just in their own, unique, feminist way.

When all women are terfs, no one is.

There are only about 50 real terves globally.
There are millions of women who don’t like troons.

I’d rather be erroneously labelled a terf than be mistaken for a troon-panderer.
 
Several posters here rated this "disagree" and I find this interesting.

TERF used to stand for "Trans Exclusionatory Radical Feminist", as in, a radical feminist who wanted men to be labeled as second class citizens like how women were for the longest time. Radfems hate men and are batshit.
Yes, TERFs/ “Radfems“ (4th wave) and Radical Feminists (2nd wave) are different, though they have some overlapping ideologies. (Correct me if I’m wrong about the waves.)

Though I wouldn’t call them all batshit. I’d hate my oppressors too, if there was no foreseeable end in sight. I’ve noticed that the more aware someone is of the acts of oppression around them, the more they pick up on the even the most subtle signs. It easily wanes patience. They’ll bitch and moan, and probably give you a glare on the street, but at least they don’t go around killing people like trannies do over a simple disagreement.

However, troons don't hate radfems as long as thry get to be in the girl group of power, oppressing and possibly sissyfiying the second class cis bastards out there (and transmen if they remember those exist). No, they just hated any radfem who wouldn't say their girldick wasn't a ladydick.
If a Radfem condones troonery, that is called being a “Libfem”.
I.e the exact opposite.

Over time, it evolved from "man hating woman who hates trans identifying people" to "a woman who disagrees with me" thanks to troons calling any woman that doesn't obey the girlcock TERF. Cis men don't get the same treatment since they bully back, usually hard (and more troons hate cis women for reasons covered earlier in the thread). Thus, a new TERF was formed: the terf, any woman who is trans critical in any way. This new category now includes every cis woman who won't tow a twitter, reddit, or discord circlejerk's party line. This can be as mild as a cis woman saying say that a troon is biologically male (reee I'm a bio girl don't disqualify meeee) to saying someone needs to put more effort into presenting female to you never will be a girl and so on. A lot of kiwis in this thread are this kind of terf and treat men as equals (hell some even marry them).

Basically I feel you OP, and I feel like Terf really has lost its original meaning. When all women are terfs, no one is.
I agree with everything said here. There is no punch to it. Being called a “TERF” has no effect on anyone anymore. Every woman, especially every lesbian, is simply a “TERF”.
 
Anyway, back on topic, this creature
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I agree with everything said here. There is no punch to it. Being called a “TERF” has no effect on anyone anymore. Every woman, especially every lesbian, is simply a “TERF”.

I reckon the majority of women who get called terves/now refer to ourselves as terves are really just version of say, Posie Parker and Karen from ‘You’re Kiddin’ Right?’ - we’d all get booted from the purity spiral of true TERF Club, either for marrying men, or wearing lipstick or hanging out with men at the sports bar rather than only socialising with fellow dykes.
Some of us have even, shock horror, given birth to FUTURE OPPRESSORS! Who we love!

Karen’s stuff cracks me up (especially when she is going through her own comment section or looking at FtM frankensausagedick). Can’t post her in the terves thread because I am laughing with her, not at her. She must surely have an account on the farms?



As for being kinder to FtMs, I maybe started out that way, but actually, some of the most influential, most misogynistic activists at the top of various orgs are female (Stephen Whittle, Strange Chasio, James Morton of the Scottish Troons Alliance etc plus female troons are often the Trojan horses used to push through legislation eg Gavin Grimm) so they’ve used up the dribble of sympathy I once had. Even the trans YouTuber who gets my hackles up quickest is female, ‘Jammidodger’ aka Jamie Raines.

I just post fewer ladytroons because they don’t make for such funny/repulsive images.

Nowadays I save any remaining crumbs of compassion for the (male or female) children/adolescents/younger adults who get groomed into early surgery and the ones whose cross sex identities are the result of extreme trauma (like the little girl who witnessed her mam’s murder and wanted to be a boy, because a boy might’ve been strong enough to save her mum).

Anyway, that’s today’s compassion quota used up. Have a troon:


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Pass?
Hard pass.
for some unfathomable reason, I imagine this man smells like ham?

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Also, FaceTuned to fuck!

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7 years ago he was posting on ‘Malepolish’

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would put money on his marriage failing recently.

Why is troonery the new midlife crisis?
What happened to fast cars and fucking the secretary?
 
I really think that some TiFs do pass enough to actually go stealth.
its not (just) about passing. passing perfectly on its own will only affect how strangers who dont know you treat you, and that doesn't really mean anything cause interactions with complete strangers dont really impact life in a meaningful way
what does matter is how people with whom you interact frequently treat you (boss, coworkers, friends, family, etc) and fooling all of those is basically impossible cause they already know your real sex anyway, or at least see/suspect it but go along and play pretend out of courtesy and pity

Here's something I've been wondering:
It is said often that MTF trans people are men imitating the women they are attracted to, "their type." The female image they imitate is very idealized, and usually doesn't resemble real women at all. Yet, many of these people seemed to have started out as shlubby, dorky beta males who had nothing much going for them.
Why is it that they strive to be their best selves as "women," but not as men? Why do they find it so freeing to be women? Do they see the idealized woman as attainable, but the idealized man as not? Or are they just too autistic to have real self-awareness, and only think of the kind of person they're attracted to?
because dressing up in lingerie and larping as slutty schoolgirls makes their coomer brains release endorphins

also their idea of an "ideal woman" is a stripper/pornstar whose sole purpose in life is making coomers coom, which to them seems a lot more achievable than their idea of an ideal man (rich, successful, muscular, high status chad)
 
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I reckon the majority of women who get called terves/now refer to ourselves as terves are really just version of say, Posie Parker and Karen from ‘You’re Kiddin’ Right?’ - we’d all get booted from the purity spiral of true TERF Club, either for marrying men, or wearing lipstick or hanging out with men at the sports bar rather than only socialising with fellow dykes.
Some of us have even, shock horror, given birth to FUTURE OPPRESSORS! Who we love!
I wouldn't say that's so much true. Many women, TERFs included, have male family members and/ or friends that they truly care about. It's not so much associating with or loving men as much as it is condoning oppressive behavior from those men.
 
I reckon the majority of women who get called terves/now refer to ourselves as terves are really just version of say, Posie Parker and Karen from ‘You’re Kiddin’ Right?’ - we’d all get booted from the purity spiral of true TERF Club, either for marrying men, or wearing lipstick or hanging out with men at the sports bar rather than only socialising with fellow dykes.
Some of us have even, shock horror, given birth to FUTURE OPPRESSORS! Who we love!

Karen’s stuff cracks me up (especially when she is going through her own comment section or looking at FtM frankensausagedick). Can’t post her in the terves thread because I am laughing with her, not at her. She must surely have an account on the farms?

I find it funny that TRAs tend to completely ignore black women like Karen. I would think one of their major targets would be Lipstick Alley (shit-post forum for black women), but nope. I assume black women still have more oppression points for them to properly go after them (plus unlike white handmaidens they don't tend to give a fuck).
 
Even as 'men' ftms retain the benefit of this 'benevolent sexism' that seems to be biologically encoded into all of us, you can't fool the instinctual part of the brain, and so they retain the full benefit of the considerable western female privilege. Never to be held accountable for their histrionic entitled bullshit. Just compare they way we talk about ftms vs the venom (rightly) directed at MtFs.
I feel like you're over-complicating it as an excuse to dunk on 'muh female privilege'.

TIFs catch less shit because it's much easier for the average woman to pass as an androgynous manlet than it is for the average man to pass as a bolt-on bimbo, especially when the latter tend to dress like Vegas prostitutes whereas from what I've seen most TIFs just dress like normal guys or butch lesbians.

I think both are mentally ill, but TIFs only elicit pity from me, whereas I find TIMs physically repulsive because they're essentially doing female blackface without the (intentional) comedy.
 
This ↓ is absolutely part of the answer.

If you spend any time on fitness forums with a large male userbase, you start to see the meme "All women need to do is be thin to be attractive." These men don't realize this statement is not only untrue but it also implies that women are only trying to be attractive to men and are not in active competition with one another (something that the people in this thread also clearly do not understand).
A woman, to this type of shlubby man, is just a non-man who gets to laze around and be taken care of by men. That's what they want. They want to be their normal sit-on-the-couch-and-masturbate selves but also have someone else provide for them financially, emotionally, sexually, etc.
Being conventionally attractive takes a lot of effort, but I do think the majority of thin women are at least okay looking, even without makeup. Whereas men, as we’ve discussed on here before, are more likely to be at the outliers of any given scale than in the middle, including attractiveness. Autistic men are also more likely to have minor physical abnormalities (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_physical_anomalies) and I know we’ve had MTFs on here who clearly had other facially disfiguring genetic conditions. If a given ugly MTF had been born female he would’ve been more attractive.
 
Though I wouldn’t call them all batshit. I’d hate my oppressors too,

It's not so much associating with or loving men as much as it is condoning oppressive behavior from those men.

Women aren't in any way shape or form "oppressed" in the west in the current year FFS, it's the quite literal opposite.
What has this place been allowed to turn into....
 
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