War Gun control is a lost cause. Come despair with me.

Gun control is a lost cause. Come despair with me.​

Ross K. Baker
Fri, April 23, 2021, 12:00 AM·4 min read
Let’s start with the fact that there are enough guns in this country so that every man, woman and child could have one. Add to that a couple of Supreme Court decisions that enshrine gun ownership alongside freedom of speech and freedom of assembly as constitutionally hallowed rights. On top of that is the fact that even such modest efforts at the state level to limiting access to guns to people deemed dangerous to themselves have proved ineffective. No better example of this is the fact that the Indiana "red flag" lawdesigned to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people only temporarily delayed the killer of eight people in Indianapolis from getting his hands on the weapon used to take their lives. Gun control advocacy stands high in the ranks of lost causes and futile campaigns alongside legitimating polygamy and scrapping the national anthem for something more singable.
The brief flicker of hope that somehow the financial problems of the National Rifle Association, and the profligate spending of members’ dues by one its top executives, might stifle the effectiveness of the opposition to even the most modest efforts to control firearms or reduce their lethality became an iridescent dream — and seemed to prove that the organization itself was never much of a factor in blocking gun-control legislation.
What kills such efforts in Congress, even in the wake of the unspeakable slaughter of the innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, is the recognition in the minds of politicians that there are voters in their states and districts who are Second Amendment absolutists, whether they be the kind of people who shoot at targets for practice or those who might shoot at people because of malice or derangement.

States' gun laws​

So strong is the constituency for firearms ownership in Congress that a law is on the books immunizing gun manufacturers and sellers from lawsuits arising out of the use of their products for mass shootings and mayhem on smaller scale. It is the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that became effective in 2005.
The response of the gun industry has been, from a business standpoint, quite rational: Sellers give the consumers what they demand. The only limit is that they cannot manufacture or sell fully automatic machine guns.
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Guns on Feb. 5, 2013, in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
As we have seen in the case of Indiana’s modest efforts to keep firearms out of the hands of potentially dangerous people, enforcement is easily circumvented, and even the strictest state laws are at the mercy of the lax or nonexistent limits on gun ownership in adjacent states.
My own state of New Jersey with some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the nation is located adjacent to Pennsylvania, a state with few limits on who can get access to a gun. Worse, perhaps, is the fact that Interstate 95 runs up the spine of the state and has been referred to as “the iron highway” for the brisk traffic in guns being brought into New Jersey from states to the south.
Mother to mother: A woman who lost her child to gun violence makes a plea to Kamala Harris
The once plausible argument that gun ownership was somehow connected to membership in state militias was cast aside by a Supreme Court dominated by “originalists” who developed historical amnesia about the Founding Fathers' dread of standing armies and preference for “a well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” and declared that the only operative phrase in the Second Amendment was “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

No way to stop it​

This interpretation of the amendment might, to some extent, be influencing the longest shot of all: the enlargement of the Supreme Court to redress the imbalance in the number of justices that endows conservatives with a solid voting majority. Congress can indeed enlarge the court, but that would take a statute that would require a supermajority of 60 votes, which is not currently available. It is doubtful, moreover, that even all 50 Democratic and independent senators would approve the enlargement.
Gun laws: As mass shootings mount, enacting stricter gun laws is the morally right thing to do
And this is where things stand: Daily, weekly, monthly massacres of sizable numbers of victims enabled by a patchwork of ineffective, indifferently enforced state laws, and the awesomely destructive firepower of many of the weapons used in these assaults.
Unbalanced, vengeful or politically motivated assailants armed, in many cases, with charismatic weapons patterned on those used by the military will continue to inflict death and grievous injury on innocent people. There is, effectively, no way to stop it.
Ross K. Baker is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. Follow him on Twitter: @Rosbake1
You can read diverse opinions from our Board of Contributors and other writers on the Opinion front page, on Twitter @usatodayopinion and in our daily Opinion newsletter. To respond to a column, submit a comment to letters@usatoday.com.

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So why doesn't Pennsylvania have New Jersey's murder problem?

Is Rutgers known for anything other than LOLcows?
Because there's a fucking gun store on every street in Pennsylvania. Tom Wolf was going to enact some gun control law, but the state supreme court told him that it would be suicide. Mind you, the PA state supreme court has SEVEN democrats to two Republicans.
 
What is it with american liberals and thinking guns are the only type of weapon?

Do they think Tyrone couldn't use a machete, an axe, a switchblade or even just a broken glass bottle to murderise someone?

Swords worked for us for a thousand years, they can even cleave a man in two.
Gun control in the US hasn't had anything to do with crime in 25 years.

The lefts interest gun control is two fold.

#1. Your soft on crime / don't jail anyone policies only work on an unarmed populace see Chinatown in California or New York. You commit a violent armed robbery in a state with lax gun laws and the criminal isn't going to make it past the front door.

Simply put, allowing good boys and gentle giants to rob you for up to $999 without consequence isn't going to fly when they get killed the first time trying it.

#2. Insurrection. Very socialist banana republic in South America imploded in less than 20 years and when the government fails to deliver people take to the streets and throwing rocks and bottles and get beat back with cops at guns. Obviously that's not going to be the outcome in the US when the average citizen can shoot back at the police and military with the same rifle.

Do you really think people would take mass starvation or lack of medical care for people past a certain age lying down?
 
This interpretation of the amendment might, to some extent, be influencing the longest shot of all: the enlargement of the Supreme Court to redress the imbalance in the number of justices that endows conservatives with a solid voting majority
Waahhh! They played by the rules and won a point, so now we have to cheat to take it away from them. It’s only fair!
 
What is it with american liberals and thinking guns are the only type of weapon?

Do they think Tyrone couldn't use a machete, an axe, a switchblade or even just a broken glass bottle to murderise someone?

Swords worked for us for a thousand years, they can even cleave a man in two.
They're not even the worst you could use. Various chemical mixtures of household-available agents would be effective in causing harm to entire crowds at once.

Imagine if someone stood at the top of a building spraying drain cleaner out of a super-soaker at a gathered crowd, or hijacking a semi-truck and driving it the wrong way down a highway for instance. It's retarded to think that access to guns is the only thing allowing people to be capable of harming/killing people en masse. Even more retarded for politicians to think it'll keep them safe from assassination as well.
 
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I have more where those came from
 
They're not even the worst you could use. Various chemical mixtures of household-available agents would be effective in causing harm to entire crowds at once.

Imagine if someone stood at the top of a building spraying drain cleaner out of a super-soaker at a gathered crowd, or hijacking a semi-truck and driving it the wrong way down a highway for instance. It's retarded to think that access to guns is the only thing allowing people to be capable of harming/killing people en masse. Even more retarded for politicians to think it'll keep them safe from assassination as well.
To those Kiwis unaware, the most dangerous school massacre was a farmer in a place called Bath blowing up a schoolhouse with a truck full of fertilizer, and to this day nobody knows why he did it.
 
I love how this simmering cuck ignores the fact that the #1 demographic of new gun owners are lefties, one's who have either realized the cops won't help them when chimps attack, or more likely feared a trumpist coup.

I've seen some of these sterotypical weak wristed soy swilling cucks discover the joy that is shooting, they are slowly unlearning the fear of evil guns that was hammered into them by the echo chamber they were trapped in.

The fear of that first trigger pull dissapears and they start learning to love the feeling of putting lead down range, the smell of cordite giving them a rush they never even knew they were missing out on.

Most importantly they start to ask questions. "If they lied about guns what else are they lying about?"
Minorities have ALSO been buying guns in droves, recently.
*Laughs in boating accident*
I tried to get appropriately sized floater vests for my guns, officer! I simply could not find them anywhere, and well, here we are, my poor babies are drowned.
Guns kill 95,000 people a year!

Oh wait, thats alcohol.
Has anyone told the dumb fuck about how many people are dying to smuggled Chinese fentanyl?
 
So why doesn't Pennsylvania have New Jersey's murder problem?

Is Rutgers known for anything other than LOLcows?
Funny thing, I followed up on the link outlining PA's gun laws and honestly its pretty middling, the thing that sticks out to me is you can't get a license for concealed carry if you smoke the devil's lettuce.
 
Add to that a couple of Supreme Court decisions that enshrine gun ownership alongside freedom of speech and freedom of assembly as constitutionally hallowed rights.
Already we being to see that he ties the right to speech and assembly with the Constitution. Rather these are considered natural rights and the Constitution is to limit the state from infringing on the rights one has from birth.
On top of that is the fact that even such modest efforts at the state level to limiting access to guns to people deemed dangerous to themselves have proved ineffective. No better example of this is the fact that the Indiana "red flag" law designed to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people only temporarily delayed the killer of eight people in Indianapolis from getting his hands on the weapon used to take their lives.
I never understood why a person considered so dangerous that they would commit violence that his guns needed to be taken away so still be free. Just commit the fucker if they are so dangerous...unless its not about guns at all.
The brief flicker of hope that somehow the financial problems of the National Rifle Association, and the profligate spending of members’ dues by one its top executives, might stifle the effectiveness of the opposition to even the most modest efforts to control firearms or reduce their lethality became an iridescent dream — and seemed to prove that the organization itself was never much of a factor in blocking gun-control legislation.
I prefer the GOA.
What kills such efforts in Congress, even in the wake of the unspeakable slaughter of the innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, is the recognition in the minds of politicians that there are voters in their states and districts who are Second Amendment absolutists, whether they be the kind of people who shoot at targets for practice or those who might shoot at people because of malice or derangement.
Or to shoot a pedophile attacking a male teenager.

States' gun laws​

So strong is the constituency for firearms ownership in Congress that a law is on the books immunizing gun manufacturers and sellers from lawsuits arising out of the use of their products for mass shootings and mayhem on smaller scale. It is the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that became effective in 2005.
The response of the gun industry has been, from a business standpoint, quite rational: Sellers give the consumers what they demand. The only limit is that they cannot manufacture or sell fully automatic machine guns.
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Guns on Feb. 5, 2013, in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
As we have seen in the case of Indiana’s modest efforts to keep firearms out of the hands of potentially dangerous people, enforcement is easily circumvented, and even the strictest state laws are at the mercy of the lax or nonexistent limits on gun ownership in adjacent states.
My own state of New Jersey with some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the nation is located adjacent to Pennsylvania, a state with few limits on who can get access to a gun.
I guess we are not talking about the over 1000 federal gun laws?
Worse, perhaps, is the fact that Interstate 95 runs up the spine of the state and has been referred to as “the iron highway” for the brisk traffic in guns being brought into New Jersey from states to the south.
Yet none of these straw purchasers are ever prosecuted.
The once plausible argument that gun ownership was somehow connected to membership in state militias was cast aside by a Supreme Court dominated by “originalists” who developed historical amnesia about the Founding Fathers' dread of standing armies and preference for “a well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” and declared that the only operative phrase in the Second Amendment was “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.
Huh...the Constitution all about limiting the power of the federal government and protecting the right of citizens from government suddenly gives the right to gun ownership to the local states?

As to the Constitution, is it the same one that contains the right to privacy and therefore abortions?

If you want federal gun control just propose an amendment.

No way to stop it​

This interpretation of the amendment might, to some extent, be influencing the longest shot of all: the enlargement of the Supreme Court to redress the imbalance in the number of justices that endows conservatives with a solid voting majority. Congress can indeed enlarge the court, but that would take a statute that would require a supermajority of 60 votes, which is not currently available. It is doubtful, moreover, that even all 50 Democratic and independent senators would approve the enlargement.
So we get to the true point.
How is limiting the right of self defense by normal citizens normal?
And this is where things stand: Daily, weekly, monthly massacres of sizable numbers of victims enabled by a patchwork of ineffective, indifferently enforced state laws, and the awesomely destructive firepower of many of the weapons used in these assaults.
You mean niggers and handguns?
Unbalanced, vengeful or politically motivated assailants armed, in many cases, with charismatic weapons patterned on those used by the military will continue to inflict death and grievous injury on innocent people. There is, effectively, no way to stop it.
Nearly all firearms types are used by the military.
Ross K. Baker is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. Follow him on Twitter:
Ah a journalist...day of rope.

I'm not one to usually say such things unironically, but: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

GOD BLESS THE USA
Even gun control activist's agree!
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If you take a few minutes to look at the places where everyone and their mother is packing you'll quickly realize that they aren't the areas with the gun violence problems where all the awful shit this soyfriend is whining about happens. Because guns aren't the problem, and deep down we all know what the actual problem is but no one is allowed to say it.
 
That wasn't a "Supreme Court decision," that's what the constitution fucking says.

Yup. All the Supreme Court did was clarify that the Second Amendment DOES state that the right to keep and bear arms IS an individual right, and that service in a militia is not necessary for individuals to own firearms.

The problem with these graboid fucktards is they never bother to read the writings of the Framers or look at the history leading up to the writing and ratification of the Bill of Rights and Constitution so they can understand where the Framers were coming from and why they specifically focused on Amendments 1-10 in the Bill of Rights. A HUGE part of the reason we declared independence and fought the Revolutionary War was because the Crown was infringing on the rights of the Colonials to own arms. And anyone who says that there are restrictions on what kind of weapons people are allowed to own is full of shit and are too retarded to understand a simple phrase like "shall not be infringed". Benjamin Fraknlin owned literal field artillery and lent it to the militia during the Battle of Boston. The fact that I can't go to my local gun shop and buy an M240B or howitzer and go home with it right after I lay my money down means my rights have been infringed. The whole point of 2A is so that normal people can be on a level playing field with any standing army should the government turn to tyranny and use that army against the people.
 
They're not despairing enough. Citizenship in the US should come with a free gun of your choice. High schools should have a mandatory gun safety class segment as a part of health and physical education (say it's a part of the draft registration you have to do in high school). Destroy the ATF.

Keep pushing back.
I actually have an answer for that. Right now I believe many here believe the goverment needs to get bent for creating clown world and for becoming hostile against free born citizens.

I also think many here believe the current government is doomed. Its just a question how slow or fast the disintegration goes.

Here how (legally) get the dissolution process go really fast. Its insane wolf type logic but here it goes:

Know how leftoids got a legal defense funs and legal team to hell them get out of jail for the destruction they cause?

Well set the same up for any one who gets prosecuted for using a weapon during a crime or weapons charge. Doest matter who or why they re in trouble. Anything from having a gun barrel one inch too long to blowing up a kitten with a homemade c4.
Bail them out or pay for their defense as long a weapon was involved. Go curb stomp mode against prosecutor who file charges on such people. Get laws concerning weapons repealed.

The main source of a goverment is its ability to people from other people. Helping those who get banged up on weapon charges stay free would destroy that real quick.

Like I said its insane wolf logic (thus retarded) but then again its the only response clown world would understand.

Likewise to get that white Chaz thing possible the same ought to be done for anyone legally prosecuted for activity done behalf on an organization. Doesnt matter or its anti fa, the bloods or crips, Al queda, elf, oath keepers ect. This would speed up fragmentation real quick and this destroy the power of the establishment (and state) real quick.
 
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I actually have an answer for that. Right now I believe many here believe the goverment needs to get bent for creating clown world and for becoming hostile against free born citizens.

I also think many here believe the current government is doomed. Its just a question how slow or fast the disintegration goes.

Here how (legally) get the dissolution process go really fast. Its insane wolf type logic but here it goes:

Know how leftoids got a legal defense funs and legal team to hell them get out of jail for the destruction they cause?

Well set the same up for any one who gets prosecuted for using a weapon during a crime or weapons charge. Doest matter who or why they re in trouble. Anything from having a gun barrel one inch too long to blowing up a kitten with a homemade c4.
Bail them out or pay for their defense as long a weapon was involved. Go curb stomp mode against prosecutor who file charges on such people. Get laws concerning weapons repealed.

The main source of a goverment is its ability to people from other people. Helping those who get banged up on weapon charges stay free would destroy that real quick.

Like I said its insane wolf logic (thus retarded) but then again its the only response clown world would understand.

Likewise to get that white chad thing possible thr same ought to be done for anyone legally prosecuted for activity done behalf on an organization. Doesnt matter or its anti fa, the bloods or crips, Al queda, elf, oath keepers ect. This would speed up fragmentation real quick and this destroy the power of the establishment (and state) real quick.

The problem is with the "doxxing" of the Rittenhouse donors. Even though people posted anonymously, the hacking and leaking of that information revealed email addresses. Sadly, boomers have never heard of protonmail, and considering this was the same time as the Dems pushing that Minnesota Bail Fund thing, Republicans/right wingers should be able to donate to somebody's bail, right?

WRONG. Now we have journoscum going to people's houses for "their side in this crime story", or people getting fired.

I do think there could be a sort of "self defense" fund established, but who can run it without dipping in? Dems don't care if their organizers dip in because they accept the grift and the money laundering (see BLM).
 

Gun control is a lost cause. Come despair with me.​

Ross K. Baker
Fri, April 23, 2021, 12:00 AM·4 min read
Let’s start with the fact that there are enough guns in this country so that every man, woman and child could have one. Add to that a couple of Supreme Court decisions that enshrine gun ownership alongside freedom of speech and freedom of assembly as constitutionally hallowed rights. On top of that is the fact that even such modest efforts at the state level to limiting access to guns to people deemed dangerous to themselves have proved ineffective. No better example of this is the fact that the Indiana "red flag" lawdesigned to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people only temporarily delayed the killer of eight people in Indianapolis from getting his hands on the weapon used to take their lives. Gun control advocacy stands high in the ranks of lost causes and futile campaigns alongside legitimating polygamy and scrapping the national anthem for something more singable.
The brief flicker of hope that somehow the financial problems of the National Rifle Association, and the profligate spending of members’ dues by one its top executives, might stifle the effectiveness of the opposition to even the most modest efforts to control firearms or reduce their lethality became an iridescent dream — and seemed to prove that the organization itself was never much of a factor in blocking gun-control legislation.
What kills such efforts in Congress, even in the wake of the unspeakable slaughter of the innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, is the recognition in the minds of politicians that there are voters in their states and districts who are Second Amendment absolutists, whether they be the kind of people who shoot at targets for practice or those who might shoot at people because of malice or derangement.

States' gun laws​

So strong is the constituency for firearms ownership in Congress that a law is on the books immunizing gun manufacturers and sellers from lawsuits arising out of the use of their products for mass shootings and mayhem on smaller scale. It is the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that became effective in 2005.
The response of the gun industry has been, from a business standpoint, quite rational: Sellers give the consumers what they demand. The only limit is that they cannot manufacture or sell fully automatic machine guns.
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Guns on Feb. 5, 2013, in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
As we have seen in the case of Indiana’s modest efforts to keep firearms out of the hands of potentially dangerous people, enforcement is easily circumvented, and even the strictest state laws are at the mercy of the lax or nonexistent limits on gun ownership in adjacent states.
My own state of New Jersey with some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the nation is located adjacent to Pennsylvania, a state with few limits on who can get access to a gun. Worse, perhaps, is the fact that Interstate 95 runs up the spine of the state and has been referred to as “the iron highway” for the brisk traffic in guns being brought into New Jersey from states to the south.
Mother to mother: A woman who lost her child to gun violence makes a plea to Kamala Harris
The once plausible argument that gun ownership was somehow connected to membership in state militias was cast aside by a Supreme Court dominated by “originalists” who developed historical amnesia about the Founding Fathers' dread of standing armies and preference for “a well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” and declared that the only operative phrase in the Second Amendment was “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

No way to stop it​

This interpretation of the amendment might, to some extent, be influencing the longest shot of all: the enlargement of the Supreme Court to redress the imbalance in the number of justices that endows conservatives with a solid voting majority. Congress can indeed enlarge the court, but that would take a statute that would require a supermajority of 60 votes, which is not currently available. It is doubtful, moreover, that even all 50 Democratic and independent senators would approve the enlargement.
Gun laws: As mass shootings mount, enacting stricter gun laws is the morally right thing to do
And this is where things stand: Daily, weekly, monthly massacres of sizable numbers of victims enabled by a patchwork of ineffective, indifferently enforced state laws, and the awesomely destructive firepower of many of the weapons used in these assaults.
Unbalanced, vengeful or politically motivated assailants armed, in many cases, with charismatic weapons patterned on those used by the military will continue to inflict death and grievous injury on innocent people. There is, effectively, no way to stop it.
Ross K. Baker is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University and a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors. Follow him on Twitter: @Rosbake1
You can read diverse opinions from our Board of Contributors and other writers on the Opinion front page, on Twitter @usatodayopinion and in our daily Opinion newsletter. To respond to a column, submit a comment to letters@usatoday.com.

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Despair? That gun control is increasingly becoming a lost cause? Nah, I think I'll laugh at the cucks who actually want gun control instead. Fuck those faggots.
 
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