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Have you been asleep for the past year? Overrun hospitals. Running out of ICU beds. Medical systems falling apart. Blah fucking blah.

Note that Brazil was supposedly the country doing badly, with the most deaths etc etc. Now it's India. Coincidentally the two countries in the world that the prog left have the biggest hate boner against (outside of Russia) are Brazil and India.
Its also because COVID doomers are fucking retarded.

What about the US, Brazil, India, Russia (and I'm betting Indonesia will get their day on the news) would cause them to "lead in deaths"?
What about that specific group of countries might cause them to have more deaths?
Could it be that countries with larger populations will have a larger # of deaths than those with smaller populations?
Maybe I'm late to the party on this, but the front page of a big newspaper in my area recently ran a headline that said, basically, "Pregnant Women Are At Higher Risk For Covid-19," and then urged pregnant women to get the jab.
All tinfoilery aside, this is such a blatant fear-mongering tactic with no deeper explanation.
Higher risk of what? Dying of COVID? Lasting damage? Catching COVID?
Higher risk compared to who? 80y/o deathfats? Children?

Any talk of "higher risk" without deeper explanation is borderline useless scare tactics.
Nobody has a right not to be exposed to a disease.
I would disagree and argue that they do.
They have a right to wear full hazmat suits every time they go to the grocery store and undergo a hydrogen peroxide shower while being blasted with UV light every time they get home.

What they do not have the right, is to force everyone else to protect them from the disease, just like they don't have a right to drain all the world's oceans so that they won't drown at the beach or kill off all the Grizzly bears so they can go camping in the Yukon without being mauled.
 
I would disagree and argue that they do.
They have a right to wear full hazmat suits every time they go to the grocery store and undergo a hydrogen peroxide shower while being blasted with UV light every time they get home.
They don't because they don't actually take it that seriously. They're just living out a control fantasy. The entire lot of them. They're either so retarded they can't tell they're being taken for a ride or they're psychopaths. If they're just retarded, they don't go through that much effort because they've never gone through much effort their entire lives, why start now?

I live in an open state, I can only imagine the fuming disdain for these people from those who live in prison states.
 
fuck you and go be a faggot somewhere else
Every post I recall I've made in this thread after the first, including this one, has been replying to one or more other people @ing me, with maybe a few extra tidbits thrown in to be polite. Notifications are definitely the only reason I would even bother to click onto this thread, since there's still odds slightly higher than the chance of death by COVID that someone will have a legitimate comment/question worth reading. If the circlejerk wants to get back to circlejerking, all you've got to do is take the L and ignore me for a bit.

What about the US, Brazil, India, Russia (and I'm betting Indonesia will get their day on the news) would cause them to "lead in deaths"?
What about that specific group of countries might cause them to have more deaths?
Could it be that countries with larger populations will have a larger # of deaths than those with smaller populations?

All tinfoilery aside, this is such a blatant fear-mongering tactic with no deeper explanation.
Higher risk of what? Dying of COVID? Lasting damage? Catching COVID?
Higher risk compared to who? 80y/o deathfats? Children?

Any talk of "higher risk" without deeper explanation is borderline useless scare tactics.

What they do not have the right, is to force everyone else to protect them from the disease, just like they don't have a right to drain all the world's oceans so that they won't drown at the beach or kill off all the Grizzly bears so they can go camping in the Yukon without being mauled.
Almost all medical reporting by the news is fake and gay and objectively makes the situation for medicine worse, because it is so obviously fake and gay that people decide everything they have to offer is wrong, instead of just the fake and gay parts. I wish they'd shut the fuck up already, but this is how they're replacing their "drumpf bad" $$$ they lost after 2020.
That being said, Brazil specifically was noteworthy because even after adjusting for population size its infection and death rate fucking skyrocketed. They're one of the only countries in this whole pandemic to have a CFR to go up. The factors leading to this are complex but mostly boil down to Brazil trying to be too urban while spending way too little on healthcare modernization, it doesn't have the resources to pay people to stay home, and it doesn't have the resources to handle the uptick in cases.
Things are never going to get "apocalyptic," obviously, but they are probably going to get worse for Brazil from here.

Higher risk of what, you ask? Here is the article he referenced as far as I can tell. Accepting my distaste for the news, headlines are not articles, you should read the article at least before passing judgment. Bolded the relevant part in your post. This particular article is a janky piece of shit, but here's the pertinent line:
Pregnant women are at higher risk for COVID-19 because their immune system is suppressed.
Higher risk of everything, because you're immunosuppressed. Things in reality are a bit more nuanced than that, but they got the gist right. Pregnant women are more susceptible to some infections due to how the body modifies and shares an immune system with the developing baby. A very tl;dr version is that the mother's body can't behave normally without risking rejecting the baby, and the baby doesn't need to have the same immune cells the mother has normally when it's born, but instead a more tailored concoction that helps fight off the kinds of infections babies are most vulnerable to. Rather than immunosuppressed it would be more like "immunochanged," if you'll pardon the garbage made-up word. Works for some stuff, not for others. Relevant chart here just to give a visual aid, third trimester is when the problems come.
So, yeah, news is garbage, but they're misquoting and paraphrasing a medical expert, at least, at least the underlying premise is there. Not scare tactics in and of itself, just a retarded way to frame fact.

On that last bit, God I wish we could get to the point where that's the main topic for discussion instead of all this other shit. Control freaks are real, and they deserve capable, well-oiled opposition.
 
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As far as I can tell the "leaky vaccine" thing is probably wrong, at least in the months following vaccination among healthy people. There was a study in the US of over 30,000 workers in nursing homes, and after vaccination there was zero (known) workplace transmissions and one death. They were probably using some sort of mask as well, so it's probably less perfect than that makes it appear, but I don't think the vaccines would make spread worse by masking symptoms, at least.
 
Imagine thinking anyone is going to read that tripe.
I glanced. It's going to be Drain Todger V2. Essays galore and discourse on things that have been discussed ~1000 pages back. And with the vaccine, people have their staunch sentiments, and just do not care about the new and totally real findings and data.

My only question is why wait this long to jump in?
 
That being said, Brazil specifically was noteworthy because even after adjusting for population size its infection and death rate fucking skyrocketed. They're one of the only countries in this whole pandemic to have a CFR to go up. The factors leading to this are complex but mostly boil down to Brazil trying to be too urban while spending way too little on healthcare modernization, it doesn't have the resources to pay people to stay home, and it doesn't have the resources to handle the uptick in cases.
Things are never going to get "apocalyptic," obviously, but they are probably going to get worse for Brazil from here.
Things in Brazil are exacerbated because Brazilians are terrified to go to their hospitals for any reason because they're so shitty. They aren't really wrong, Brazil didn't even stockpile oxygen during a respiratory disease pandemic, but a lot of people who become seriously ill with COVID put off going to the hospital until it was far too late for them to be treated.

I'm not sure how much worse it will get in Brazil though. Cases have already plateaued and are beginning to decline. Most places are carrying on as normal. A good chunk of over-60's have gotten at least their first vaccine dose which is why the media has lost interest in them and are fixating on India now.
 
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Imagine thinking anyone is going to read that tripe.
People will. You won't.

I'm not sure how much worse it will get in Brazil though. Cases have already plateaued and are beginning to decline. Most places are carrying on as normal. A good chunk of over-60's have gotten at least their first vaccine dose which is why the media has lost interest in them and are fixating on India now.
Yeah, I think this is a reasonable assessment. The main factor right now is whether they can turnover currently hospitalized cases at a decent rate.
 
I glanced. It's going to be Drain Todger V2. Essays galore and discourse on things that have been discussed ~1000 pages back. And with the vaccine, people have their staunch sentiments, and just do not care about the new and totally real findings and data.

My only question is why wait this long to jump in?
Hey now, didn't Drain Todger actually metamorphose into a productive member of the forums with actually interesting and readable posts?
 
Your objections are well founded but that absolutely does not matter, because they contradict reality as it stands. Exceptions are made for religious beliefs & disabilities, that does not preclude the policies "in general" that exist RIGHT NOW, policies which will most likely be extended to the COVID vaccines once they've been fully approved... which is what I was talking about, to put it on you antivaxfags' radars. Save it for your legal case, start talking about plans of action, or pretend it's not going to happen and get caught entirely flatfooted, I don't care.

Bolded: You have predicated your hot take on views that are not mine. I have not once advocated mass vaccination "under the color of law" and you can read any one of many posts I made stating the exact opposite.
Worse, a "vast majority" surviving does not make vaccinations redundant. There are negative outcomes other than dying, there are some people who are more vulnerable than others, and a rare chance of dying is still a chance of dying. Vaccinations are not redundant or "unnecessary" for those groups that have significantly worse odds, integrated across millions of people, it isn't redundant for healthcare workers who could spread it to vulnerable populations, or any of the other myriad circumstances that make caution far far better than incaution even if every hysterical antivax rumor and claim were true.
You should be embarrassed for thinking in that kind of braindead binary. I somehow doubt you will be. Start arguing honestly ("but the young are relatively safe!") and I can stop insulting you and start enjoying a nice chat about why or why not that may be ("yes, the young are relatively safe, here are some things to consider, but there's definitely way less of a reason for <30''s to get vaccinated if they don't want to.") as I already have, literally that exact back and forth, in this very thread.
Forcing a vaccine by law is under the the color of law you idiot. Also, you should be embarrassed for being such a weak kneed pussy. My great-grandparents and grandparents survived the Spanish Flu, the Russian Flu and Hong Kong Flu without screaming at everyone to wear masks, stay six feet away and get experimental treatments. My great-grandparents lived in a time without antibiotics so a damn cut could kill you yet they didn't go around masked and encased in Saran wrap, afraid to go out and do physical work or cut up a chicken before cooking it. Stop being a spineless wimp.
I glanced. It's going to be Drain Todger V2. Essays galore and discourse on things that have been discussed ~1000 pages back. And with the vaccine, people have their staunch sentiments, and just do not care about the new and totally real findings and data.
Even Drain Todger wasn't this much of a pretentious sanctimonious asshat.
 
That paper seems like good research to me and explains some of the "microclotting" effects of COVID itself. It has no direct baring on the vaccines, which is why the authors of that preprint don't speculate on, or claim, that the vaccines should be a matter of concern. Quoting the abstract directly:

Why might they come to this conclusion, if the paper shows that "spike proteins produced by the vaccines may cause hypercoagulability"? Because the paper doesn't show that. When you're drawing the opposite conclusions of the professionals who generate the data, that should be your warning sign to take a step back and read more deeply. Professionals aren't perfect, but whether or not the vaccines are safe are at the forefront of everyone's attention right now, it's not an obscure topic they'd just forget to address.
In brief, the difference gap between the findings and what you are claiming it says about the vaccine is this line here:

Spike proteins made by cells as part of the antigen replication process are affixed almost instantly to the cell membrane. The sequence being replicated does not include the S1 trimers, the N protein, or any of the rest of the virus that would allow the antigenic spike protein to wrench itself free in any meaningful quantity. Additionally, the vaccines are not generating unmodified spike proteins, because those spike proteins are shit and rapidly change shape after they affix to the cell membrane. A couple of eggheads "broke" the protein by adding some prolines to stabilize the in its prefusion conformation, which means it never takes the shape that generates the effects that the paper you linked describes. You can read more about prefusion vs postfusion and how the COVID vaccines solved that problem here.
Meanwhile, the virus will flood your body with spike proteins in detectable quantities, which bind to anything and everything they can and adopt the postfusion conformation as quickly as it can, with the prefuson/postfusion levering process altering whatever they bind to:

In other words, the paper you have linked is talking about spike proteins' effects outside the cell.
Please, for the love of God, note that I am giving you multiple reasons why this paper claims the opposite of what you thought it might be, not because one reason would not be enough (it is enough) but because I want to demonstrate that this shit is meaningfully complex and there are many different angles by which these things are being considered.

Meanwhile, the VAERS database is incredibly important and useful. It does not do what you think it does. I tried to explain that to that one faggot and right after I did he went on a tirade about da trollz again to deflect, you can find a more detailed explanation a few pages back. The VAERS data does not disagree with anything I am saying. You think it does, because you may have been mislead on what VAERS data means, or how it is collected. There is not a 1:1 relationship between deaths and VAERS data. What has changed is how often doctors report deaths to VAERS, not how often people die in general. Antivaxers used to cite this concept all the time, "VAERS underreports, only 1% of deaths following vaccination within a few weeks are reported to VAERS"
Well, doctors aren't underreporting now due to intense public scrutiny and caution about the vaccines... and the rate at which reports for VAERS comes in has shot up. Surprising!
VAERS data is alarming when something unusual or above population norms is found. It hasn't, with exception to the HIT-like effects of AZ/JnJ, which weren't caught by VAERS (because no one in the US has had AZ/JnJ outside of trials) but instead clinical investigations in Europe. HCP and researchers use it to investigate trends, not draw immediate conclusions.


No, these long ass posts are because I'm responding to other people, usually multiple. You could have just skipped to the bottom and read the part where I made fun of people bragging about hating to read while simultaneously claiming to be enlightened antivaxers who don't care about ignorant trollz.


No one is arguing that VAERS is particularly accurate, we're arguing that it allows for comparison. In 2020 170 million people received the flu vaccine, with a similar skewing towards the elderly and chronically unwell we're seeing with the Covid vaccination roll out (arguably even more so). 100 times less reported deaths and side effects, the numbers are what they are. You are apparently arguing that doctors and hospitals, facing the torrent of propaganda and social shaming encouraging Covid vaccination, are fucking OVER reporting compared to the flu shot? You offer no evidence for this, just your opinion. So I'll take this for what it is and ignore.

The Covid spike protein is pathogenic. We do know that the vaccines are causing sometimes fatal inflammatory responses and clotting disorders in susceptible individuals, this is not arguable. Why are folks dropping dead from hyper rare bleeding disorders when given these incredibly safe vaccines?

Last if you could answer whether or not you're in favor of children being vaccinated to protect fat people? There are 74 million children in the US. Anything from 1-4,000 will be killed if they're all vaccinated. Are 4,000 dead children a price worth paying to protect chronic over eaters from the coof? Take your time.

Forcing a vaccine by law is under the the color of law you idiot. Also, you should be embarrassed for being such a weak kneed pussy. My great-grandparents and grandparents survived the Spanish Flu, the Russian Flu and Hong Kong Flu without screaming at everyone to wear masks, stay six feet away and get experimental treatments. My great-grandparents lived in a time without antibiotics so a damn cut could kill you yet they didn't go around masked and encased in Saran wrap, afraid to go out and do physical work or cut up a chicken before cooking it. Stop being a spineless wimp.

Even Drain Todger wasn't this much of a pretentious sanctimonious asshat.
I can only imagine what something like the Hong Kong flu would do to us in present day (let alone the Spanish flu).

Covid is a novel, but thankfully, mild respiratory illness. If you have a healthy immune system it's LESS dangerous to you than the seasonal flu.

The issue we're facing isn't the dangers of new flu and cold bugs it's that we have a chronically unhealthy population. Obesity is the actual fucking problem here not Covid-19.
 

Covid: Man arrested after infecting 22 people in Majorca​

A man has been arrested in Spain on suspicion of assault after allegedly infecting 22 people with Covid.
The 40-year-old is alleged to have continued to go to work and the gym despite having a cough and a temperature of more than 40C (104F).
He is said to have walked around his place of work in Majorca, pulling his mask down, coughing and telling colleagues he was going to infect them.
Five colleagues and three fellow gym goers later tested positive.
Another 14 people - family members of the infected - also came down with Covid, including three one-year-olds.

In a statement released on Saturday, Spanish police said the man had been exhibiting symptoms for a number of days, but refused to go home from work in the town of Manacor.
He took a PCR test one evening, but then went to work and the gym the next day while awaiting the results.
His colleagues told him to go home, but he refused, police said. He would then pull down his mask, cough and say: "I'm going to infect you all with coronavirus."
When his test came back positive, colleagues were "alarmed", according to police, who have been investigating the allegations since late January.
None of the people became seriously ill, police said.

Doubt the can prove this idiot gave them covid sadly, however should be a fucking big jail sentence for going out while knowingly having covid, it the same thing as knowingly spreading aids.

But this brings up a bigger issue, how many idiots that are showing the signs of covid or have been officially diagnosed with it are failing to do self isolation to stop the spread, we really should be starting to treat them as the aids spreaders/bug chasers they are.
 

Covid: Man arrested after infecting 22 people in Majorca​

A man has been arrested in Spain on suspicion of assault after allegedly infecting 22 people with Covid.
The 40-year-old is alleged to have continued to go to work and the gym despite having a cough and a temperature of more than 40C (104F).
He is said to have walked around his place of work in Majorca, pulling his mask down, coughing and telling colleagues he was going to infect them.
Five colleagues and three fellow gym goers later tested positive.
Another 14 people - family members of the infected - also came down with Covid, including three one-year-olds.

In a statement released on Saturday, Spanish police said the man had been exhibiting symptoms for a number of days, but refused to go home from work in the town of Manacor.
He took a PCR test one evening, but then went to work and the gym the next day while awaiting the results.
His colleagues told him to go home, but he refused, police said. He would then pull down his mask, cough and say: "I'm going to infect you all with coronavirus."
When his test came back positive, colleagues were "alarmed", according to police, who have been investigating the allegations since late January.
None of the people became seriously ill, police said.

Doubt the can prove this idiot gave them covid sadly, however should be a fucking big jail sentence for going out while knowingly having covid, it the same thing as knowingly spreading aids.

But this brings up a bigger issue, how many idiots that are showing the signs of covid or have been officially diagnosed with it are failing to do self isolation to stop the spread, we really should be starting to treat them as the aids spreaders/bug chasers they are.
Honk Honk
 
[endless flood of verbal diarrhea]
Kindly stop verbally masturbating yourself in this thread. Most of us are here for the LOLz and to blow off a bit of steam. Not to wade through the massive loads of ejaculant cluttering up the thread from some boring blowhard. Be pithy and entertaining or go away!
 
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Covid: Man arrested after infecting 22 people in Majorca​

A man has been arrested in Spain on suspicion of assault after allegedly infecting 22 people with Covid.
The 40-year-old is alleged to have continued to go to work and the gym despite having a cough and a temperature of more than 40C (104F).
He is said to have walked around his place of work in Majorca, pulling his mask down, coughing and telling colleagues he was going to infect them.
Five colleagues and three fellow gym goers later tested positive.
Another 14 people - family members of the infected - also came down with Covid, including three one-year-olds.

In a statement released on Saturday, Spanish police said the man had been exhibiting symptoms for a number of days, but refused to go home from work in the town of Manacor.
He took a PCR test one evening, but then went to work and the gym the next day while awaiting the results.
His colleagues told him to go home, but he refused, police said. He would then pull down his mask, cough and say: "I'm going to infect you all with coronavirus."
When his test came back positive, colleagues were "alarmed", according to police, who have been investigating the allegations since late January.
None of the people became seriously ill, police said.

Doubt the can prove this idiot gave them covid sadly, however should be a fucking big jail sentence for going out while knowingly having covid, it the same thing as knowingly spreading aids.

But this brings up a bigger issue, how many idiots that are showing the signs of covid or have been officially diagnosed with it are failing to do self isolation to stop the spread, we really should be starting to treat them as the aids spreaders/bug chasers they are.
So he passed airborne AIDS to young people working out in the gym?

Oh nos! The humanity!!

Those folks may develop a mild case of the sniffles and then be completely fine. Lock that sonofabitch up for life!
 
So he passed airborne AIDS to young people working out in the gym?

Oh nos! The humanity!!

Those folks may develop a mild case of the sniffles and then be completely fine. Lock that sonofabitch up for life!
You seem like you have aids, if you ever get laid make sure to tell them first. You wouldn't want to go to jail right?

Also you really should read the story first, he went around pulling his mask down and coughing at people in the face saying he was going to give them covid while he was waiting for a test. I know you are pro aids and covid but it a bit of a bad look to not have read the story before hand.
 
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