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Not a hugbox if public? What?

This thread has been taken over by the anti-vax boomers, and anything saying to the contrary will get you linked to some water fountain designers corona plan.
Most people here aren't really anti-vax generally. They are anti-corona vaccine.

Vaccines are a wonderful invention that has stopped some of the world's most horrific diseases. When following the two centuries of experience and technological advance around them, vaccines can be easily, effectively, and safely created. The problem is that all three of the current covid vaccines just skipped right past all that and rushed to market. What should have realistically taken 2 years was done in 8 months, and there is a lot of legitimate reason to be skeptical of their efficiency and safety.


Vaccines are great, RUSHED vaccines are a danger in the short and long term to public health.
 
Vaccines are great, RUSHED vaccines are a danger in the short and long term to public health.
And my female family members wonder why I am so skeeved out by the thought of getting it. I don't like the idea of being a lab rat and the way the government and media have acted in the last 18 months has irrevocably violated my trust in everything related to medicine. Just give me some of that Ivermectin and I'll happily take my chances.
 
Most people here aren't really anti-vax generally. They are anti-corona vaccine.

Vaccines are a wonderful invention that has stopped some of the world's most horrific diseases. When following the two centuries of experience and technological advance around them, vaccines can be easily, effectively, and safely created. The problem is that all three of the current covid vaccines just skipped right past all that and rushed to market. What should have realistically taken 2 years was done in 8 months, and there is a lot of legitimate reason to be skeptical of their efficiency and safety.


Vaccines are great, RUSHED vaccines are a danger in the short and long term to public health.
I'm sure they cause O2 deficiencies, just like the masks. I also understand the masks are also literally the Jewish armbands from Nazi occupied areas, and that Bill Gates wants to kill everyone in the world That one I'll give you through the masks and vaccines.

There have been three different vaccines implemented in the USA -We'll just pick ~20- million for January. Where are all the deaths from it? Why aren't there even tens of thousands of people with severe reactions to this?
 
I'm sure they cause O2 deficiencies, just like the masks. I also understand the masks are also literally the Jewish armbands from Nazi occupied areas, and that Bill Gates wants to kill everyone in the world That one I'll give you through the masks and vaccines.

There have been three different vaccines implemented in the USA -We'll just pick ~20- million for January. Where are all the deaths from it? Why aren't there even tens of thousands of people with severe reactions to this?
There are other effects than death. The rates of bad reactions are rather bad, a handful of deaths linkable to it are worrying. I'd be more worried about longterm effects from rushing it. And I at least could ignore all of this if the vaccine's effectiveness wasn't also in question. Which... it very much is.

An ineffective vaccine with nasty side effects just isn't worth taking.
 
I don't know what you mean, because your idea of what makes up a hugbox is completely retarded.
I am an artiste of hugboxes, so I’m taking that as a personal insult.
And if multiple people can pop in to a thread say everyone in it is dumb and fight with them, it’s not a hugbox, it’s a trash fire.
 
I'm sure they cause O2 deficiencies, just like the masks. I also understand the masks are also literally the Jewish armbands from Nazi occupied areas, and that Bill Gates wants to kill everyone in the world That one I'll give you through the masks and vaccines.

There have been three different vaccines implemented in the USA -We'll just pick ~20- million for January. Where are all the deaths from it? Why aren't there even tens of thousands of people with severe reactions to this?
Where are all the deaths from corona that warrant this whole procedure in the first place?
That's the question you should be asking, basically no one in this thread, who you label misinformed boomers, believes the threat of covid is genuine, so we are distrustful of this rushed device and all the propaganda around taking it, when there's "nothing to cure". That's all it is, it's not a bunch of dumb rednecks who hate science and want the world to collapse.
 
There are other effects than death. The rates of bad reactions are rather bad, a handful of deaths linkable to it are worrying. I'd be more worried about longterm effects from rushing it. And I at least could ignore all of this if the vaccine's effectiveness wasn't also in question. Which... it very much is.

An ineffective vaccine with nasty side effects just isn't worth taking.
The efficacy of the vaccines, at least the ones used in the US seems to be 70-90% at least in preventing the disease. It goes lower if you take into account infection, but at that point those people are going to be less effective as giftgivers to those without the virus. It sure drops to lower levels with all the variants out there, which are just going to become more numerous. (I'm not saying the vaccine is going to cover all the different variants, as at that point different vaccines/boosters will probably be needed.)

A vaccine that gives you a sore arm for a week is a lot better than a ever-evolving virus that will ravage the entire world over many times.

Where are all the deaths from corona that warrant this whole procedure in the first place?
That's the question you should be asking, basically no one in this thread believes the threat of covid is genuine, so we are distrustful of this rushed device and all the propaganda around taking it. That's all it is, it's not a bunch of dumb rednecks who hate science and want the world to collapse.
There are just under 600k deaths in the USA alone. Let's just assume half are lies and say 300k, which is still a lot of people. 33 million have had the virus, and I don't know if you wish to increase that amount to twice (Which I'll accept, because people are asymptomatic and don't get tested) or decrease it by half (Because muh PCR cycles), but you still have only ~20-5% of the population that have actually been infected.

Assuming the vaccinations don't work at all we'd be looking at 3-10 million deaths in the USA alone, assuming there is no reinfection from variants. (Which we can't rule out, as there is some evidence to suggest that.)
 
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There are just under 600k deaths in the USA alone. Let's just assume half are lies and say 300k, which is still a lot of people. 33 million have had the virus, and I don't know if you wish to increase that amount to twice (Which I'll accept, because people are asymptomatic and don't get tested) or decrease it by half (Because muh PCR cycles), but you still have only ~20-5% of the population that have actually been infected.

Assuming the vaccinations don't work at all we'd be looking at 3-10 million deaths in the USA alone, assuming there is no reinfection from variants. (Which we can't rule out, as there is some evidence to suggest that.)

The test is faulty and gives false positives.
Hospitals are incentivized to say the patient was affected by covid, they get more money.
This situation has made it harder for doctors to actually do their work, the environments are over-sterilized, hustled precautions are taken and being made-up. Some surgeries have just stopped happening entirely. The elderly are getting less care and attention.

The most recent data of US death rates were at the same level they were the previous years. There was no huge spike of death for this pandemic.
 
A vaccine that gives you a sore arm for a week is a lot better than a ever-evolving virus that will ravage the entire world over many times.
It's going to do that anyway no matter how many people get vaccinated, and the vaccine will not be effective for long as it continues to mutate.
There are just under 600k deaths in the USA alone. Let's just assume half are lies and say 300k, which is still a lot of people.
Population of the U.S. at this time is estimated to be 330 million. Neither of those are "a lot of people" with that in mind. Also shit lifestyles and such leading to people biting it from the flu, etc. isn't new. I mean, look at this:
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For the second consecutive year, the U.S. experienced a small decline in roadway deaths, according to preliminary estimates released today from the National Safety Council. In 2019, an estimated 38,800 people lost their lives to car crashes – a 2% decline from 2018 (39,404 deaths) and a 4% decline from 2017 (40,231 deaths). About 4.4 million people were injured seriously enough to require medical attention in crashes last year – also a 2% decrease over 2018 figures.

At the state level, fatalities are estimated to have dropped more than 13% since 2018 in seven states – Alaska (-16%), Connecticut (-14%), District of Columbia (-21%), Nevada (-14%), New Hampshire (-30%), South Dakota (-21%) and Vermont (-31%).

Six states experienced estimated increases in fatalities by more than 5% - Delaware (20%), Maine (35%), Nebraska (8%), Ohio (8%), Tennessee (10%) and Wyoming (32%).
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Lung cancer was the leading cause of cancer death, accounting for 23% of all cancer deaths. Other common causes of cancer death were cancers of the colon and rectum (9%), pancreas (8%), female breast (7%), prostate (5%), and liver and intrahepatic bile duct (5%). Other cancers individually accounted for less than 5% of cancer deaths.

In 2019—

  • 139,603 people died of lung cancer (64,743 females and 74,860 males).
  • 51,896 people died of colorectal cancer (24,222 females and 27,674 males).
  • 45,886 people died of pancreatic cancer (22,154 females and 23,732 males).
  • 42,281 females died of breast cancer.
  • 31,638 males died of prostate cancer.
27,959 people died of liver and intrahepatic bile duct cancer (9,267 females and 18,692 males).

Do you get where I'm going with this? You've got a high chance of dying by living in the U.S. regardless from utterly, seemingly random shit like cancer or aneurysms/heart attacks, to driving your car or being a victim of a crime every time you go out into public. I'll take my chances with a virus that seems to have a pretty decent survival rate compared to a vaccine that was rushed, has an uncomfortable agenda surrounding it, and that the companies that made it have complete immunity to lawsuits. It just doesn't seem like an intelligent decision unless you have some seriously good reasoning, or blind trust in authority which if you do you're not really someone who has any right calling other people stupid to begin with.

I mean think about it, if I'm wrong, I just look stupid. If you're wrong, you might have some horrible effect that won't appear until you say, try to or actually do have a kid, or years down the line. I and almost every other person who's against this isn't against it because it's a fucking vaccine, it's the circumstances surrounding it.
assuming there is no reinfection from variants. (Which we can't rule out, as there is some evidence to suggest that.)
It's from a family of viruses known for high mutation rates, it's almost guaranteed to make a vaccination effect either impotent or make it to where you'd have to get vaccinated at a ridiculous rate. I've already read somewhere that some "official" was estimating you might have to take this "vaccine" that doesn't work every six to ten months or some shit. I'm good, thanks. And by the way, from the way it's looking and that it's already got multiple strains going, we're probably in for this thing literally lasting for the rest of the time man is on earth, or have the tech to scrub it from society (which we don't, currently, and won't for a good long while).
That entire time, it'll be mutating randomly too so I'll probably end up getting it after a few years when the agenda's died down and the nasty bugs have been worked out. But until then, yeah, no you can be a guinea pig if you want but don't make people who don't want it out to be merely anti-vaxxers for not wanting a suspiciously pushed, rushed vaccine for a disease that has yet to be lethal save for a small percentage of society at large.
 
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