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Noir drag freak said:
Can any of you guys find it easy to friends with straight men? I'm not bashing straight men or anything. But I noticed due to my experience, I tend to keep straight men at a distance.
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I'm straight and my long-time best friend is gay, so it's possible. Like Dildo said, the biggest road block to our friendship is a lack of shared interests. Like I can notice that a girl is hot, and he'll agree, but I can't get into what I'd do to her and shit like I would with my straight friends.

I think as long as there's some overlap its fine, just don't chat with us like we're one of your gal pals. We get enough of that from the uninteresting women we want to fuck.
 
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Noir drag freak said:
Can any of you guys find it easy to friends with straight men? I'm not bashing straight men or anything. But I noticed due to my experience, I tend to keep straight men at a distance.
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Only after I became more secure in my masculinity and stopped caring so much about what straight men might think of me. I have a couple of close straight male friends. I think it's a really good dynamic, actually. As one confided to me, we can do stereotypical guy shit together (vidya, lifting, beer, etc) but without any risk of rivalry; at the same time, he feels comfortable confiding in me about his inner emotional life (as if I was a girlfriend or sister) but without fear of appearing weak or feminine. Likewise, through that friendship I've learned to get in touch with my masculinity and generally become more comfortable with who I am and not giving a fuck. Oh, and it's great for hooking up too: chicks dig that he has a sensitive side and is cool with a gay dude, and somehow gay guys (especially the kind intimidated by straight men) find it hot that I can hold my own amongst straight men. As you can tell, I value my straight bros a lot.

As an aside, two things it changed my perception on. First, it is hard to be a straight dude nowadays. You have to toe so many lines and, whatever you do, you'll always be the bad guy. You have to be tough but sensitive, suffer with depression and body image shit in silence, etc. So many young straight men suffer from the expectations placed upon them, something reflected in suicide rates. Second, it made me really hate the fetishization of straight men in gay culture. I've lost count the amount of times I'll mention a good straight friend of mine to a gay friend, only for him to reply 'ooohhh that's so hot that you shower together at the gym' or 'has he asked for a blowjob yet?'. As if that's the only thing he is good for. It's so objectifying and dehumanizing, such a pig-headed and reductionist perspective. I would never tell my straight guy friends about that, or the huge 'straight' fetish in gay porn, because I know it would make them feel justifiably uncomfortable.
 
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Kornula said:
Dr. Drew mentioned some tidbit on his TV show once about 20 years ago; That every single one of his gay paitents in therapy were all abused to some degree. He also notied that it was only people in therapy who were abused... and were gay. I was abused as a kid..so were my 3 sisters. I turned out gay..but every single one of my sisters are hetero.

Based on this, we can chuck out the abuse angle as a contributing factor.
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Are you male or female? Was your abuser male or female?
 
Real Gay Autist said:
As an aside, two things it changed my perception on. First, it is hard to be a straight dude nowadays. You have to toe so many lines and, whatever you do, you'll always be the bad guy. You have to be tough but sensitive, suffer with depression and body image shit in silence, etc. So many young straight men suffer from the expectations placed upon them, something reflected in suicide rates.
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That's the nature of society and human. Everybody suffers because of it's expectations. I had this one girl that said "I want to beat shit out of her, but since I am white girl it be inappropriate." Or my sister when she said that girls were talking how they wouldn't date a certain guy, because would talk about them. I think that's one of the reasons why we're all so on edge besides the whole cancel culture.

I've lost count the amount of times I'll mention a good straight friend of mine to a gay friend, only for him to reply 'ooohhh that's so hot that you shower together at the gym' or 'has he asked for a blowjob yet?'. As if that's the only thing he is good for. It's so objectifying and dehumanizing, such a pig-headed and reductionist perspective. I would never tell my straight guy friends about that, or the huge 'straight' fetish in gay porn, because I know it would make them feel justifiably uncomfortable.
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I think that part of that's tongue in cheek. Although, I hate Jack Donovan and think his philosophy is cringe to nth degree. He did make a good point how gay men, especially effeminate ones, have contempt and a complex towards straight men. Like some of them go out of their way to make straight men uncomfortable.
 
Noir drag freak said:
Can any of you guys find it easy to friends with straight men? I'm not bashing straight men or anything. But I noticed due to my experience, I tend to keep straight men at a distance.
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My best friend of 21 years is straight. He’s never had an issue with me being gay, it almost never comes up because it’s not a big deal. Love the guy like a brother.

that said, I will say I do seem to connect better and more quickly with other gay men than with straight men. I still have straight male friends but they’re guys I’ve known for decades, I just seem to click better with gay dudes for whatever reason. Most of my friends are gay guys and straight girls with a couple straight guys I’ve been friends with since high school.
 
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So I was watching the Politician and it got me to thinking about Ben Platt's character.... he is clearly gay adjacent but a woman was still pressed to marry him. There was a similar scenario on a few other movies I've watched as well

Then I thought about some of my white gay make friends. They do not like talking about their sexuality. It's like an open secret. I'm just waiting for one to pop up engaged to some random woman.

I dont have an agenda or an opinion if this is something women should or shouldn't do, I've just noticed black women are more vocally opposed.

Do you guys know any women married to a formerly out bi/gay man? Is she black or white?
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An interesting discussion on lipstick alley
 
Ridge Racer said:
I seriously doubt there's anyone who would choose to be gay over being, for a lack of better term, normal. In fact, if given the choice, I believe if there was a way to make gay people straight, most would choose to take it without a second thought.
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Give all the islamic, autistic and dumb reactions you want, I don't care. Only an idiot would want to be straight in 2021 and have to deal with the mental illnesses of contemporary women.
 
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Puerto Pollo said:
Give all the islamic, autistic and dumb reactions you want, I don't care. Only an idiot would want to be straight in 2021 and have to deal with the mental illnesses of contemporary women.
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Fucking right.

I'm sexually confused but after I'm done with my current woman I'm swearing them off. Gay buttsex only in my future.
 
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Noir drag freak said:
Can any of you guys find it easy to friends with straight men? I'm not bashing straight men or anything. But I noticed due to my experience, I tend to keep straight men at a distance.
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99% of my friends are straight men. Its most gay men I cannot relate to mostly. Especially the past 20 years... they are even more obnoxious and pushy these days.
 
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Kornula said:
99% of my friends are straight men. Its most gay men I cannot relate to mostly. Especially the past 20 years... they are even more obnoxious and pushy these days.
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How? I don't find straight men all that interesting to hang around with. To be honest, I hate their guts. Not kosher, but can't help all I feel.
 
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Oddly most of my friends are bi guys. Some of them are paired off, some of them aren't compatible with me so we've never talked about trying something. I can have the gay guy chats with them and it's fine. Gay guys, though, it's harder. Most gays I've met in their 20s either want to sleep with you or they want nothing to do with you. There's no in-between.
 
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Noir drag freak said:
It's weird. How can you relate to them? I'm talking about sexuality, But personality wise.
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I've been accused most of my life of being a closet heterosexual. Maybe that has something to do with it. I can releate to hetero guys more than gay guys

SouthernBitchBob said:
Oddly most of my friends are bi guys. Some of them are paired off, some of them aren't compatible with me so we've never talked about trying something. I can have the gay guy chats with them and it's fine. Gay guys, though, it's harder. Most gays I've met in their 20s either want to sleep with you or they want nothing to do with you. There's no in-between.
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I have experienced darned near the same thing.
 
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Noir drag freak said:
It's weird. How can you relate to them? I'm talking about sexuality, But personality wise.
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Your interactions with other gay people have an undercurrent of flirting that you don't get with straight men, so you take it as being something it's not. Basically the male version of Queen Bee syndrome.
 
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Slight change of discussion; The title alone of this movie is probably going to scare hippies for decades to come. There was a time (like when this movie was made) being offensive as possible was a liberal thing to do. You cannnot get any more bold, offensive and brazen than making a movie called: Gay Niggers from Outer Space. What happened to embracing the most offensive and absurd things to.. being offended by the color of socks?

BTW you can watch the movie for free on Youtube...
 
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Not really sure where this fits, but what the fuck. As a bike enthusiast, I expected something of substance when Humble Bundle made a bike book bundle. Contents?
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Okay, I guess there's some symbolism in the freedom of a bike and women's rights-
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20-something books; not ONE on actual bike maintenance or anything useful. I guess one about diet and some general information.
 
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