Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Serf 'n' TERF]

The bloodclot thing makes me a bit nervous, considering that I'm in the demographic that it seems to affect the most. Although my country is now apparantly offering a choice of vaccines for people under 40.

Ideally, I'd wait a year or so and see how it all pans out, but realistically I will most likely get it soon due my employment and not wanting to be a social pariah.

 

[Pinochet Was Right]

Pal got second jab and felt super sick.

Still scared of getting it. Will continue wearing mask.

you do know you still have to wear the rag after the vax? Hell, 3 or 5 according to Faucet MD. It makes no difference.

 

[Roland Raygun]

This "pandemic" will not end anytime soon because even if officials decide to end it, too many people will stay in the "pandemic" mindset. Just look at the number of people you see alone in their cars wearing masks.

It seems to me a lot of people are enjoying pretending to be a masked hero in a movie. They're having fun with it because it gives them meaning. It's fun for them because unless you've lost your job or business there are no stakes. Everyone knows there isn't a deadly airborne virus that we're all terrified of. If they were terrified, they'd be in hiding, not harassing people over masks.

So I'm glad you guys are enjoying your epic hero fantasy. I wasn't allowed to visit my mom during the 4 months she spent in the hospital dying of an actual disease, but I'm sure the tik toks were worth it.

 

[FEETLOAF]

I know you're an evangelical retard but the CDC and WHO both declared it a pandemic and not an endemic.

Yeah it's called lying.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I wasn't allowed to visit my mom during the 4 months she spent in the hospital dying of an actual disease

I guess a virus which killed over half a million Americans in a year wasn't a real disease

Yeah it's called lying.

I forgot that you're a spaz with crippling autism who makes up your own definitions of words

 

[FEETLOAF]

I forgot that you're a spaz with crippling autism who makes up your own definitions of words

Actually i keep to the definition, unlike the CDC and WHO who are calling an obviously endemic and perennial cold virus a pandemic simply because they want pandemic measures. It's not a pandemic if it's here forever, and it's very obviously here forever.

I know thinking for yourself is against your expert-worship ideology or whatever but I highly recommend it.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

No and I am vaxed against Hep A/B, HPV and regularly get boosted for MMR and Tetanus. I am considering the shingles vax too.

 

[Vecr]

Where are you getting MMR boosters from? Anyway, FEETLOAF, it's *going* endemic, it sure was not endemic when it was spreading out of Wuhan.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Where are you getting MMR boosters from? Anyway, FEETLOAF, it's *going* endemic, it sure was not endemic when it was spreading out of Wuhan.

It was endemic even then. It's literally just another corona strain. New ones happen every year, which is why there is no cure for the common cold. Viruses are perennial.
You are using reactions to the virus as proof ipso facto that those reactions must be justified. That's silly.
Also I'm not evangelical, learn what evangelical means.

I guess a virus which killed over half a million Americans in a year wasn't a real disease

According to the CDC anywhere from 14 to 60 thousand Americans die of the flu every year, and many more are hospitalized.

 

[Vecr]

There are multiple Influenza epidemics most years, and a pandemic is just an epidemic spreading across multiple regions. Epidemics are very common, but pandemics are not due to complex and somewhat unknown reasons. If a new type of flu pops up and spreads across the globe, that's a pandemic even if it does not kill more people than usual. This is a pandemic, but it's starting to go endemic in some countries.

 

[FEETLOAF]

If a new type of flu pops up and spreads across the globe, that's a pandemic even if it does not kill more people than usua

That has happened literally every year for 3.5 billion years. There's a reason you need a new flu shot every year: it's a new virus every year.

 

[Vecr]

That's not a pandemic though, that's epidemic. There are "flu seasons" that are at different times in different places, so it's not spreading across the globe as such, and they don't often have the same strains. There's a separate south hemisphere flu vaccine, and that shows it's not a pandemic every year.

 

[FEETLOAF]

That's not a pandemic though, that's epidemic. There are "flu seasons" that are at different times in different places, so it's not spreading across the globe as such, and they don't often have the same strains. There's a separate south hemisphere flu vaccine, and that shows it's not a pandemic every year.

So... having one virus instead of several is somehow... worse?

 

[Vecr]

The severity of the disease is nothing to do with it, it's a pandemic if a disease spreads from somewhere to multiple regions across the globe, it's an epidemic if it does not do that. SARS-CoV-2 is a pandemic because it started in China and went everywhere, seasonal flu is not because it generally starts spreading from everywhere that's currently in flu season. It mutates, yes, but it's not one new virus spreading from a single place to multiple global regions.

 

[FEETLOAF]

The severity of the disease is nothing to do with it, it's a pandemic if a disease spreads from somewhere to multiple regions across the globe, it's an epidemic if it does not do that. SARS-CoV-2 is a pandemic because it started in China and went everywhere, seasonal flu is not because it generally starts spreading from everywhere that's currently in flu season. It mutates, yes, but it's not one new virus spreading from a single place to multiple global regions.

Every strain starts somewhere and goes everywhere. Literally what the fuck are you talking about lol. Every form of microspeciation has a single origin point. Convergent evolution don't real.
Why should we shut down every business on earth for literally just another disease, no different from any other?
Why is it special?

 

[Vecr]

I'm not saying everything should be shut down, in fact I think it's causing major problems with manufacturing and shipping in the US. I'm just giving you the definitions of the different terms. I'm not really an expert on flu spread, but there is not a flu pandemic most years, most of the mutations don't do that for some reason. There's probably a multi-hour TWiV episode on it from years back, if you really want to know more.

 

[Thomas Highway]

Great Book

Sowell had a particular place and time.

He was pretty good in Friedman's Free To Choose debates. But like Friedman defending Pinochet, a lot of the good points are genuinely lost in kookery.

Edit: Did not get the flu this year. Probably due to mask wearing.

 

[FEETLOAF]

but there is not a flu pandemic most years, most of the mutations don't do that for some reason.

Yes, because a new strain mutating and then spreading across the world is not a pandemic. It's just normal.

"The CDC's definition of a flu epidemic relates to the percentage of deaths in a given week caused by influenza and pneumonia. The "epidemic threshold" is a certain percentage above what is considered normal for that period. The normal level, or baseline, is statistically determined based on data from past flu seasons."

A pandemic is an epidemic that is global. An epidemic is defined by the infection and death rates being drastically above normal. Covid's infection and death rates are identical to every other corona virus. It's literally just another strain. You have been memed into treating it like it's special.

 

[Vecr]

If you want to know more about flu epidemics and pandemics, there's lots of places you can look, including the TWiV thing I talked about, but I'm still not sure why you don't think there is a SARS-CoV-2 pandemic going on right now that originated in China? The situation meets the definition. Yes, the virus is going endemic in some countries, and it's highly likely many others will follow, but that's speculated to be quite a common pattern in history, where a disease starts out pandemic and goes endemic due to immunity.

 

[FEETLOAF]

The situation meets the definition

It literally doesn't.

Yes, the virus is going endemic in some countries, and it's highly likely many others will follow, but that's speculated to be quite a common pattern in history, where a disease starts out pandemic and goes endemic due to immunity.

It was never pandemic because it is not an epidemic. It does not have any properties every other corona virus doesn't have.
We are not in special circumstances. This is not a special case. It does not warrant a special response.