Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Had a little errand to run, started a couple minutes late.

The owl was necessary for the "huge library" setting, the one Athena gave Olly who's sporting that awful "AGP librarian" look.
Ignorance, politics, FAKE NEWS and disinformation.
Teehee "I won't get into mathematics since I only know three things about mathematics: a.) I'm bad at it and b.) I'm bad at it".
Faggot. He invited fellow troon Paris Lees to read out certain quotes.

Rawls and rules and "a veil of ignorance is actually good since it sustains society". If you don't know what you're going to become you're going to design a system that's good for everyone.
"Knowledge and ignorance are two sides of the same coin" w.ow that's a revolutionary concept!
"You've racked up hundreds of pounds of library fines for not returning catgirl mangas but you're going to trial for the much lesser crime of murder" oh jeez. That remaining single deciliter won't be enough.

Quotes Charles Mills' White Ignorance and Blackness Visible. Normative whiteness racial injustice central to the USA and equity and shit. Oh goodies.

"Nomos which translates to English as Jennifer from 2nd year of university" TEE HEE I'm SUCH AN AIRHEAD BIMBO what a faggot retard
"The <huge air quotes>Neutral Ideal System<huge air quotes> ends up reflecting the viewpoints of the white designers. Ignorance in - ignorance out. This is another key point in Agnotology - ignorance isn't just a natural thing that happens, it's created and re-enforced by society." Oh fuck me I can see where this is going.

"Passive ignorance and active ignorance" poor little niggies are literally murdered by yt cops by the billions every day.

At least he's been getting voice training so his voice is pretty feminine but his look is bloody fucking awful.

And now he starts getting into "w.ow chuds don't pull that 1984 crap" with "and you might be like WOW that sounds like some thoughtcrime 1984 sh*bleep*t surely I can believe whatever I like, surely it's my actions that count, and it is certainly a step away from John Rawls who thought that justice was basically the distribution of stuff (lmao) and opportunities, but that depends on your views of morality" and "right intellectual virtues". Fuck me. Actually don't because you're hideous and dumb, Olly.

Real Life Example
"Chapter Two
Hear No Evil"
and comes the Joker look. He's putting a strain on his vocal cords so he started sounding off. Still fucking hideous.
Smoke and fire and tobacco companies and fascism. I don't know where he's going with this - big tobacco funding intentionally vague and inconclusive research?
Cognitive dissonance and doxastic anxiety leads to trannies being killed and OH EMM GEE LITERAL fascism? He's building the mother of all slippery slopes here.

He's getting into the Manhattan Project and intentionally created ignorance because they classified every detail about building an atom bomb.

Oh, planned defunding of "queer" and "gender" "divisive woke concepts" because the gosh dang conservatives want to keep people ignorant of degeneracy.
Is this going towards the ur-example (((Magnus Hirschfeld))) and (((Institut for Sexualwissenschaft)))?
Paraphrasing: it's useless to suppress this because people could figure this out by themselves, just like COMMUNISM. Because people naturally recognize differences like social class and wealth. GEE, DOESN'T THE SAME APPLY TO SKIN COLOUR OR RELIGION?

And now HOLOCAUST: "What is the number of silence out loud?" - or maybe the dreaded FORTY-TWO PERCENT?

Oh my. TERF queen Thatcher banned LGBT+++++ sex ed in 1988, so bad, and so Straight Ignorance and Cis Ignorance. He's nicely conflating racial issues with current year rainbow-coloured degeneracy. I have some problems with his line of reasoning - while it definitely is a problem, the current "how to have sex with trans women" is 1984-style newspeak forced upon unwilling people.

HERMENEUTICAL INJUSTICE!
"Hermeneutical means to 'do with interpreting'. It comes from the ancient Greek word 'hermeneutikos' which translates into English as 'Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realize I was trans". Oh sod off Olly you faux-intellectual one-man wankfest, you soggy mass of cheap spaghetti. This "I'm using terms from academic philosophy but I'm such a dumb airhead bimbo teehee" is so goddamn grating. How many of those "previous girlfriends" were trannies? This faggot clearly hates women.

"A hermeneutical injustice is when someone is denied the knowledge they need to understand and take control of their life. And they are denied it because they are the members of a certain group." So tranny holocaust again?

The example he brings up is a conservative lady who first heard the term "postnatal depression" at a feminist workshop, how nice of him. That lady was allegedly liberated and not at all taught she was a victim. And the name of that lady? Alberta Mothertucking Einstein.

"Section 28 didn't mention transgender people at all, but this was a time in which a lot of cis people were ignorant of the fact that being gay and being trans are two totally different things." Yeah no I don't think so. "My school just did not tell me that being trans was a thing." And I suspect they didn't tell you of the multitude of conditions both mental and corporeal that could lead to a life of pain and suffering or early death. "I did not knowingly meet another trans person until I was an adult." I reckon that applies to most people on the planet.
Most people also don't knowingly meet someone living with well-controlled schizophrenia or an intersex condition. You aren't special, Olly, no matter how bad you want to be.

He also retcons his troon origin story - apparently he's been a tranny forever and he just realized it upon meeting another tranny in the first year of uni.
AY OLLY THAT'S FOOKIN' GAY M8

And a single dram of rum was enough - the video was shorter than I anticipated.

 

[grymme]

that fuckin crooked mouth is so much harder to look at with lipstick on

 

[Neko GF]

Archive (360p):

 

[Itterasshai]

 

[esmeggs]

26:01 "Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians, and I still didn't realize I was trans." I don't even know where to begin regarding the stupidity of that sentence...

Imagine bragging about being such a shitty boyfriend that three of your exes turned to exclusively dating women after they left you. I wonder how many of these ex-girlfriends are actual lesbians, instead of just troons that were finally able to admit to themselves that they're straight AGPs (like Contra).

Also bragging about dating/sleeping with lesbians really doesn't help him look like less of a perverted straight man. That plus his "Queer" video where the first thing he said about lesbian political activists was that they were "sexy" makes me think he might have trooned out in part because he fetishizes lesbians.

 

[Puck]

God, I should've never thought that ContraPoints was dull, I had no idea how bad it could get coming from a tryhard knockoff. The problem of all style and no substance is way, way worse coming from PT. Here's some stuff I was thinking/typing while watching the premiere.

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1.1k likes before it even comes out. jfc


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Why do people give him so much of their fucking money? The world may never know.


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Many people are commenting on the trans flag within the plaid shawl, so whoever here pointed that out probably wasn't imagining things.


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Maybe it's my imagination, but his content seems even worse post-troonout. Maybe he thinks he can mostly coast off of being an empowered transwoman now as opposed to actually trying.

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26:01 "Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians, and I still didn't realize I was trans." I don't even know where to begin regarding the stupidity of that sentence... (Side note: I wonder if one of those "girlfriends" was Contra.)

After that point it's just "blah blah blah it's hard to be trans. Roll credits"

TLDW: censorship is when schools dont teach anal sex and critical race theory

I never thought I'd see troons try to coopt the free speech movement in order to get their bs into schools, but the simulation sure knows how to keep things interesting I guess.

 

[Tombigbee]

Better to focus on .00001% of the population, aka troons.

 

[Rekkington]

Better to focus on .00001% of the population, aka troons.

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I love how they believe all TERFs are white women. Why haven't more black and brown women spoken on this? Is it cause they just think it's funny to see a race they hate just sperg itself to death?

 

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Better to focus on .00001% of the population, aka troons.

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[fistfulloffeathers]

I love how they believe all TERFs are white women. Why haven't more black and brown women spoken on this? Is it cause they just think it's funny to see a race they hate just sperg itself to death?

I love how troons and troon allies other black women. Most of the terfs I know are black and they are terfs because they are sick of being treated as a subset of womanhood. Troons treat white women as the default and anyone else be them disabled, working class, poor, black, Asian, lesbian are in fact not full women, they are the same as trans women. While middle class straight white women are the default.

The more I see the more I realise troons are the real racists and sexists.

 

[Luna Mothews]

A man having multiple ex gfs turn out to be gay is not the flex Olliver thinks it is

 

[Had]

Let's give this video a go

here is my disent into madness in text form

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"it's about ignorance. The study of ignorance is a relatively new and cutting edge field in philosophy".
Lol no, "ignorance is bliss" dates back to 1742 and hell even Socrates (400bc) studied it saying “The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance.” But let me guess the only real and true study of ignorance started in 2016, how ironic that a video on ignorance is ignorant of the past that it's trying to talk about

Wtf even is this quotation lol i found it here a quote "We believe that the existing breakthroughs achieved by transgender Marxists will transform the scope for revolutionary action in the coming years." Can Olly not even talk about a basic concept without quoting some crazy bs pdf, for fuck's sake.

"He's deliberately remaining ignorant of the actual state of justice in the world, to think about what things would be like in ideal circumstances, 'cause that's what ideal theory does."
Olly discovers Idealist are Idealists and don't have to care about the way the world actually is because they get to appeal to any ideal of they're choosing. Stating A = A really mind bending stuff here.

"Mills highlights that Rawls doesn't really mention racial injustice all that much"
The whole point of the exercise is to make a system that would be fair regardless of position due to the ignorance of the people making it. Saying deeerrr but it implicitly talks about race rather than especially including it is stupid. The point would be to create a system that the members of said system at any level would feel fair at. BUT WHAT ABOUT RACE, but what about class, sex, religion that's the whole fucking point... pointing out one aspect of fairness does not derail the exercise if anything it proves it's point.

"this is somehow going to illuminate the distinctive moral problems of a society based on exploitative white settlement?"
yes, If the people didn't know they where white how would they appeal to so called white settlement ideals. They would be ignorant of such things THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE EXERCISE.

"the "neutral, ideal" system, ends up reflecting the viewpoints of the white designers."
Do you think white people created all systems? Do Chinese and middle eastern systems not have these same faults of appealing to their majority. See how talking about every system by saying white men made every disparity is ignorant. The Cast system has been around for over 3000 years every system has issues with fairness, acting like your own is the soul cause is uninformed.

"I am not, at time of recording, a vegetarian...if I were to really look into what factory farming is like, it's possible that would make me even more miserable...I deliberately remain ignorant"
Lol I love the idea that Olly thinks they are above killing animals, I've literally seen children skin a chicken. Honestly It's such holier than thou bs. If I knew how bad it was to kill a cow I'd never eat it, then you are a weak person.

"which translates into English as Rebecca, from that one nightclub in Essex"
"Three of my previous girlfriends turned out to be lesbians and I still didn't realise I was trans."

"Maybe some people are genuinely cynical and don't care what happens to the rest of the world (talking about smoking)"
If someone chooses to smoke despite knowing how bad it is that's their choice. Hell in Australia they made smoking labels straight up horror core level shit yet people continue to smoke. I don't care if adults choose to smoke doubly so if they know the risk of doing so. Aren't you meant to be a liberal Olly? or are you just a straight up authoritarian at this point. You go ahead and tell coal miners that they aren't allowed to smoke from your moral highground why don't you.

"removing public funding from schools and universities that teach "divisive woke concepts." The plan is that legislators want to keep people ignorant of ideas that they believe are harmful or extreme. That there are some ideas that must just be ruled out as illegitimate, not even worth hearing"
It's one thing to allow for people to speak freely but it's a government institution, as such it has to showcase ideals that reflect the state. It's no secret that these institutions tend to be left wing in nature, but now they are forcing people who just want normie degrees to be exposed to these ideals. If I made everyone Sit down and watch prageru videos and wouldn't let them see anything else, see how it creates a false dichotomy. These institutions are meant to be about exposing people to all sorts of ideals, but all they and you ever showcase are downright Marxist ones.

"Let's take communism for example... You could ban every copy of the Communist Manifesto...but if you just, like, work in a pub and have your eyes open, you can see that society is divided into different classes of people based on their relationship to owning stuff"
So therefore it's ok to teach in schools? people can come to all sorts of ideals doesn't make them right, doesn't mean we should teach them to kids...
Also I love that they are crying about people banning stuff, your talking on a massive youtube channel with the full support of the technocratic elite. Your ideals are taught in school so much so people have began to turn heads.

"In the UK, we used to have this thing called Section 28. It was a law that was passed by the Thatcher government in 1988, which made it illegal for any local authority, to intentionally promote homosexuality"
The Uk didn't make Gay marriage Legal till 2013, why would it have been ok with people talking about it in schools in 1988...

"How might my life have been different, if somebody had just told me (talking about transgenderism) when I was a kid?"
Did you not know about it for the past four years? I know I meant to think trans people are, where are always would have been trans but knowledge of the butterfly effect tells me otherwise. You knew about it since uni (as they talked about before) so why did it take so long, almost like your a trender or something...

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TLDW: censorship is when schools dont teach anal sex and critical race theory

I never thought I'd see troons try to coopt the free speech movement in order to get their bs into schools, but the simulation sure knows how to keep things interesting I guess.

Nothing says free speech like forcing the state to puppet every idea you want into the minds of the youth.

 

[Ear]

Well done for sitting through that. I just can't with his voice.

And yeah, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Karen Davis, Vaishnavi Sundar et al might be surprised to learn they're white. As to class, posh boy should stfu. He seems unaware that for the majority of women on the planet, western academic terf-wars are irrelevant but they know where babies come from, who's expected to look after the babies (and which type of baby gets her genitals mutilated).

I'm a little disappointed tbh, I'd hoped for a bit more identity-milk and speculation before he settled comfortably into the 'creepy AGP man with a lesbian fetish' niche.

 

[LemongrassLighthouse]

Also bragging about dating/sleeping with lesbians really doesn't help him look like less of a perverted straight man. That plus his "Queer" video where the first thing he said about lesbian political activists was that they were "sexy" makes me think he might have trooned out in part because he fetishizes lesbians.

I get the vibe that Olly just sucks with women. Like either in a “desperate for their attention, but resenting himself for that” way or a “desperately wants a fulfilling relationship but too narcissistic to manage long term meaningful relationships” way? Maybe both?

I could see someone, especially someone in her early twenties being like “here’s this decently educated guy from a well-off family who’s at least sound intelligent sometimes and is super artsy. He cares about women’s issues and is woke. He doesn’t mind cooking and making sure I’m satisfied in bed” and all that shit. But Olly strikes me as the kind of guy who constantly wants praise and constant thanks for doing all that stuff. That gets exhausting real quick and I see him as the type who always thinks he’s right and treating any disagreement like he has to win a debate club tournament. He gets really defensive around some criticisms of his videos and it’s kinda scary to watch him flip like a switch.

He also had the woke manly man/philosophy daddy days. Then three of his exes are lesbians. It’s possible someone as hungry for attention and validation as him might interpret that happening as a humiliation, a sort of ultimate invalidation. Now he gets to get attention from the women in his audience and trans people. He keeps escalating his attention seeking and it’s so bizzare to watch especially with his over-fetishization of femininity.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I love how they believe all TERFs are white women. Why haven't more black and brown women spoken on this? Is it cause they just think it's funny to see a race they hate just sperg itself to death?

There are plenty of black women who would qualify as TERFs - hell, look at Lipstick Alley (a shit-posting site directed at black women) every time the topic comes up. There's also of course Karen on YouTube, who is a very outspoken proud TERF:

Of course, since black women still possibly trumps troons in the oppression game (or are at the very least as oppressed as troons), they unironically like to pretend they don't exist.

 

[Dr. Troon Lagoon]

For the B-B-C. Hmmm.

Good thought, does Blacked.com do Shemale content, category “Put a Flag over it and then for the Motherland”?

I would not put it beyond the BBC though, even though it still does bipartisan content, the main output has become distinctly pandering to left leaning pet causes most notably “diversity”.

Similarly to Tinseltown though it seems to be a bait-and-switch to distract from the fact that the plot and character development is lacking in vision, talent and execution.

As such I would love to see it, perhaps entice Scottish Youtuber “The Critical Drinker” to review it. That would be rather amusing.

 

[LizCurly89]

And yeah, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Karen Davis, Vaishnavi Sundar et al might be surprised to learn they're white.

Ollie already expressed that he finds Black and Brown women "mannish, loud and hairy," so in his eyes he probably considers them to be spirtually trans, who are in pursuit of a Eurocentric ideal like him and Nyk.

I'd hoped for a bit more identity-milk and speculation before he settled comfortably into the 'creepy AGP man with a lesbian fetish' niche.

We've gotten to the point with all these emergant AGPs that anything he could do would just come off as clichéd. Remeber he even quoted Nyk's videos in some sort of weird homage type tribute. Besides, how is he any different from any AGP we have previously seen either in BreadTube or any other community? Anime fetishism, over the top hair and makeup, an obsessiveness with anything that is perceived to be remotely feminine.

I guess the only difference is that he isn't necessarily modeling his transition after real women, instead his transing is based on the assumption that troons are the ideal, especially Paris Lees (which mirrors Nyk's earlier obsession with North American HSTS like Theryn Meyer and Blaire White).

Of course, since black women still possibly trumps troons in the oppression game (or are at the very least as oppressed as troons), they unironically like to pretend they don't exist.

Yes, or they'll try their very best to get their movement to incorporate the identity struggles of an "intersectional alliance." It was alleged on 4chan that bigger Breadtubers like Lindsay Ellis and ContraPoints were trying to get Black creators, particularly Kat Blaque, to become more involved in the community. This would look good to potential journalists for a followup NYT puff piece, and provide justification for YouTube to pimp out more sjw videos thru the algorithim. Apparently, blaque wants to stay away from the drama, and instead wold perfer to focus on his drawings of male figures in his thumbnails to make him feel smol.

Interestingly enough, this same tactic was tried across the pond with AngieSpeaks, a Black British female leftist who was once part of the Breadtube milleu. She is best known for her previous work with Peter Coffin and his ex wife, and who as of late, been derided by the likes of ManbunPig for being a "class reductionist." On January 29 2019, she participated on a panel hosted by the imperial college union in London which also featured Hbomberguy, BadMouse Productions, and Abigail Thorne himself. No recordings of the event are available unfortunately, just a few images



This event apparently rubbed Angie the wrong way, and in response to what she felt was dissmiveness and condescension from PTroon and Hbomberguy she released this video detailing her experience without explicitly naming names:

She has had some decent content come out since then. I recommend this video if you find her perspective at all interesting:

 

[Red_Squirrel]

Ollie already expressed that he finds Black and Brown women "mannish, loud and hairy," so in his eyes he probably considers them to be spirtually trans, who are in pursuit of a Eurocentric ideal like him and Nyk.

We've gotten to the point with all these emergant AGPs that anything he could do would just come off as clichéd. Remeber he even quoted Nyk's videos in some sort of weird homage type tribute. Besides, how is he any different from any AGP we have previously seen either in BreadTube or any other community? Anime fetishism, over the top hair and makeup, an obsessiveness with anything that is perceived to be remotely feminine.

I guess the only difference is that he isn't necessarily modeling his transition after real women, instead his transing is based on the assumption that troons are the ideal, especially Paris Lees (which mirrors Nyk's earlier obsession with North American HSTS like Theryn Meyer and Blaire White).

Yes, or they'll try their very best to get their movement to incorporate the identity struggles of an "intersectional alliance." It was alleged on 4chan that bigger Breadtubers like Lindsay Ellis and ContraPoints were trying to get Black creators, particularly Kat Blaque, to become more involved in the community. This would look good to potential journalists for a followup NYT puff piece, and provide justification for YouTube to pimp out more sjw videos thru the algorithim. Apparently, blaque wants to stay away from the drama, and instead wold perfer to focus on his drawings of male figures in his thumbnails to make him feel smol.

Interestingly enough, this same tactic was tried across the pond with AngieSpeaks, a Black British female leftist who was once part of the Breadtube milleu. She is best known for her previous work with Peter Coffin and his ex wife, and who as of late, been derided by the likes of ManbunPig for being a "class reductionist." On January 29 2019, she participated on a panel hosted by the imperial college union in London which also featured Hbomberguy, BadMouse Productions, and Abigail Thorne himself. No recordings of the event are available unfortunately, just a few images View attachment 2190093
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This event apparently rubbed Angie the wrong way, and in response to what she felt was dissmiveness and condescension from PTroon and Hbomberguy she released this video detailing her experience without explicitly naming names:

She has had some decent content come out since then. I recommend this video if you find her perspective at all interesting:

PL: I know people who attended that event. Angie was talked over by the other panelist’s and Hbomb was clearly drunk. Angie seemed to be there to actually discuss topics but the men were basically just self-promoting and telling jokes. Olly apparently whined about no one giving him acting roles.

 

[Troonwhisperer]

I love how troons and troon allies other black women. Most of the terfs I know are black and they are terfs because they are sick of being treated as a subset of womanhood. Troons treat white women as the default and anyone else be them disabled, working class, poor, black, Asian, lesbian are in fact not full women, they are the same as trans women. While middle class straight white women are the default.

The more I see the more I realise troons are the real racists and sexists.

Troonerism is an invention of mentally deranged WASP men, hence it's no surprise that the further you go away from this specific background, the more you will reject Western troonerism probably. Progressives often use race as a way to shut people up and hope that people buy the "only white people are against it!" trope. It's the same with prostitution. Whenever there is a feminist who speaks against prostitution, there is some whore (most of them aren't even real whores, just Onlyfans sex workers) who will say "This is white feminism!". How does this correlate with skin colour? It doesn't of course. But nowadays everything is bad as long as you put the word "white" in front of it. At the end it's not even about the ideas that people hold. Judith Butler called Hamas unironically a leftist movement. She didn't really care that most Palestnians were highly authoritarian, very religious, patriarchal, anti-homosexual and definitely not very fond of troons. The Gaza Strip is btw also one of the only places today where a woman must be married before she is even allowed to have legally sex. Yeah, they sound like good progressives to me. How would she react when a white man in the USA holds such views?

She has had some decent content come out since then. I recommend this video if you find her perspective at all interesting:

She's totally fine. She's the only former BreadTuber who actually redeemed herself and has grown as a person. It's quite hilarious that the only somewhat prominent black person of BreadTube hates them now. The only other person who distanced himself completely from BreadTube is Peter Coffin, but he's a total trainwreck. Even Angie didn't want him on her and her boyfriend's podcast anymore.

While middle class straight white women are the default

"White women" aren't the default, unless you consider only Anglo-Saxon women as default. Romanian women who often still are very poor and are often the target of illegal prostitution in the West have probably a much tougher life than rich East Asian women (who now even have a higher average income than white men in the USA). Some studies in Germany have even shown that having an East Asian surname will make you more likely to get a job than someone with a German surname.

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"Akira". Out of curiosity: Is there a scientific study that actually reports a correlation between troonerism, anime, autism and fetishes?

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

"Akira". Out of curiosity: Is there a scientific study that actually reports a correlation between troonerism, anime, autism and fetishes?

No, and there will never be, but this is one case where I completely trust the anecdotal evidence.