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You should probably read the actual summary, especially the last sentence:
So basically the spike protein can be bad (if the study is correct) but the vaccine isn't causing it, likely because of it being an attenuated virus.
Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution
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So is the vaccine free or do you still have to pay for it?
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The vaccine is for free, but the 5G subscription can be quite expensive.
You'll know once this thing starts to form around the place you got jabbed:
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If only I had a big sword and a cross bow right about now
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I got my vaccine but still no 5G. Since it's free, I can't get a refund, but I feel ripped off. What do I do?
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Climb a cellular tower and tear off their 5G equipment like a real patriot, of course
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So why are people complaining so much about free shit?
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If you took a 1% chance of dying on a daily basis, you'd only have a 2.55% chance of living out the year. Incidentally your chance of dying in a car crash is 1 in 103, but that's over the course of a lifetime.
Kornula
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i got it and now i'm doing fine
now i can spit and cough in anyones fucking face and not get sentenced for bioterrorism
now i can spit and cough in anyones fucking face and not get sentenced for bioterrorism
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If that were true then risk of dying in a car crash wouldn't change with age and sex.
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Uh, that's kind of an argument in my favor because you can only catch Covid once and afterwards will be immune to it (not that the insane fearmongering press wouldn't try to convince you that this is a SUPERDISEASE that you can NEVER BE IMMUNE FROM WITHOUT OUR VACCINES, AND EVEN THEN DON'T OPEN THE WINDOW ANYWAY FOR THE SAKE OF GRANDMA), but you have to drive every day under most normal circumstances, so on that basis, car journeys are objectively still much deadlier than corona virus.
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Ehh less a matter of becoming "immune" as in "unaffected" but rather your immune response developing and getting better at fighting it off.
FEETLOAF
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This is America. You have a right to the pursuit of happiness, meaning you have no duties to your country or to society in general.
Maxxicus Callahan
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I'm curious if you were around during the blitz in London and the authorities told you to turn off your lights to prevent a bomb falling on your city block would you make the same argument to say you have a freedom to keep the light on in your personal space? Or if I were to take the USA, New York harbour during the height of the war in the Atlantic, people left their lights on and it meant a merchant marine vessel had its silhouette outlined for a U-boat coming up to American shores at night. It wasn't that long ago people were asked to sacrifice a lot more in the name of protecting lives and the very idea of freedom itself. If we don't perform our small part sometimes we risk losing a lot more, the lockdowns drag on for even longer, businesses lose money and everyone suffers. I don't think personal rights are something that would exist without strong societal bonds and safety nets where we look after one another to cover basic necessities like healthcare, infrastructure and so on.
Granted a lot of lockdown provisions were unfair, small business gets closed bearing the brunt of losses without much government support but Walmart and Amazon get to stay open and make enormous profits. My point is there is a social contract that is required for your freedoms and pursuit of happiness to exist that comes from secure, stable organized human civilization to function. The pandemic is also a worldwide problem that effects international trade so even trivial commodities we take for granted like bananas arriving in the supermarket can be disrupted by an outbreak on a plantation in Guatemala or wherever. Things are too complex and interconnected nowadays to ignore that what happens to others will eventually reach us also even in our own islands of individual freedom.
No one can force you to take this vaccine but good luck if you want to travel somewhere and you need your shots. Human freedom could also be construed as being permitted to live in the woods without any interference although Ted Kaczynski would argue the very nature of industrialized civilization denies us that right to this freedom in its purest sense. The very nature and consequence of living in a globalized world today is that pandemics are now a reality of where we are at in human development and this kind of world we inhabit today is a real achievement but it also has its drawbacks. The duty here is implicit that by protecting myself I am also protecting others and this goes from the individual level up to the level of nation states who have been sharing ventilators and medical resources with their neighbours.
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I will never not be entertained by this cold with a hundredth of one percent mortality rate being compared to bombings, mass extinction events, or any other armageddon scenario.
Not one single person went this batfuck insane over the swine flu, which is not only in recent history, but was far, far more deadly than this ludicrous cold ever will be. If you willingly relinquish your rights over something this silly, you never deserved them to begin with.
Maxxicus Callahan
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I'm sorry but what rights are being relinquished here? Also its a matter of hospitals being overwhelmed and lacking ventilators. There were doctors having to make decisions on who gets a ventilator and who doesn't. It may look like a small number but translated to our medical systems this causes very serious problems with handling a virus on this scale. All of those people getting sick take up capacity when other people need treatment for other emergencies and this causes very serious problems just looking at what happened in Italy. There is also the unknown factor of it mutating and getting worse since it's a viral pandemic. The situation is serious, I use WWII as an example because people did choose to leave their lights on. You had situations where all it took was one person to make a lot of people's lives much worse which is pretty unfair and at worst criminal negligence. Like a guy in South Korea who infected his entire church congregation while he was sick and started the whole thing up again after it was brought down to a manageable degree.
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A coronavirus is literally WWII
wow
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I don't know about that since the mRNA vaccine doesn't actually contain virus. Secondly, "inhibiting" injury does not mean "preventing" injury caused by the S protein, which is my point about the vaccines. Further, the presumption that it's not a danger at all, or that it's only a benefit, seems to come from the same reasoning as another doctor's opinion piece which was linked early on by the Salk Institute when explaining the study. It's a lot to do with the conclusion that the S protein will largely remain at the injection site--which is why they're particular about where to inject into the muscle--or just near the liver or something, rather than building up or moving about the body via bloodstream, which if it did then it would be able to damage cells similar to if it was just introduced by inhaling the virus because of the lungs, etc.
There's a reason the post I linked to was so long. I looked at more than just the study itself.
I have a problem with his reassurances being mostly "Well, the S protein is damaging and all the vaccines do contain/cause the body to express it, but if it's just in that spot and done this way then nothing should happen since it's not being introduced the same as contracting the virus and it's not going through IV or throughout the blood but rather sticking mainly to the injection site" and similar phrasing. He also describes differences in types of the S protein, though.
We also have the comment section citing other studies, one of them being particularly interesting regarding the S protein's potential correlation to the blood clotting issue we've seen.
Obviously the deeper terminology and vernacular is difficult to parse for people who aren't studied in this field; I admit in the post how it's over my head at many points, but the main focus is that yet again good reason to be concerned about/against the Covid vaccines, particularly since they were developed before we learned about the nature of the S protein being damaging to cells unto itself. That's why rush development was my biggest concern from the start. In light of this study in particular we can see that more research is still needed all around. I think it only emphasizes how we have no idea what potential long-term side effects may come from these vaccines.
To be clear once and for all, this is about the validation of concern about the vaccines. I never said everyone who gets the vax is an uber-vaxer, onlt that people need to be informed first and that, ultimately, it's not just nutty vaccine abolitionists who are concerned.
Concern about/against the vaccines and everything around them are legitimate. That's it. Will you finally concede this point now?
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Depends on what you're concerned about. Concern about the "spike protein" because you read a study wrong and came to the wrong conclusion is not a legitimate reason. If you have allergies to vaccines or whatever, then yeah, your concerns are legit.