I don't think the good in existence can make up for the bad

[Drain Todger]

Was just reading about vivisections performed on live humans in Japan etc. messed up experiments.

Ah, yes. Once you get Unit-731-pilled, you never go back to normal. Typically, you go through a Yu-Gi-Oh villain phase where you're all angsty and want to blow up the universe because it made you feel bad.

But this is only the first step on a long, long road to permanent derangement. I encourage further reading.

Spoiler: Eat the tasty links, transcend the human condition

Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Wikipedia

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Phoenix Program - Wikipedia

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Project MKUltra - Wikipedia

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Operation Midnight Climax - Wikipedia

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USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia

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Holodomor - Wikipedia

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Operation Sea-Spray - Wikipedia

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Edgewood Arsenal human experiments - Wikipedia

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Now that you're intensely paranoid and distrustful of your fellow man, it's time for you to join the Cult of Doomerism! Come! Let us be disenfranchised rabble-rousers together!

Or not. After all, you can't trust any hairless rape-ape not to flay you alive and wear you as an overcoat while dining on your offal.

 

[Megatardingo]

Well that's false and you know it. You can take the neck portal to anime land anytime you want.

Nihilism is fucking gay and achieves nothing. Life is suffering, god is dead and you will enter the final sleep alone. We all know this, get a grip on the things you can control and make the best of it. If some paki kid with no eyes, one lung and both his limbs being eaten by parasites can carry on living rather than choosing to roll face down into the bacteria clogged water then you - with your first world existence - can manage to make it through another day of meaningless wanking to anime girls and watching crap Netflix shows.

To be fair maggot riddled water sounds way more appetizing than netflix shows.

 

[Smolrolls]

What is the point of existence though?

I feel like life is like the book of judges, as a Kiwi best put it for me: every 10 years, 20 years, 80 years some idiot king or leader lets his people behave like wild animals and burn incense on top of rapports above their pleasure dens, then god sends foreign nations, famine, disease to punish Israel for literally fucking around, to put it mildly if the last year have shown me anything through this site. Then everyone realizes their mistakes, stop fornicating everywhere, and say not riot anymore over stupid crap, and turn their way back to God. Only to revert back to animals say 10 years later when their last king dies and the next king becomes a more degenerate animal than the last.

History doesn't repeat, it rhymes, as another Kiwi said.
Ex: Women "being free" during the 20's with the flappers, smoking around, and then the great depression hit.
A few decades later the sexual revolution boom, more smoking around and then another depression hit back in 2008.
Look at the riots last year, those "peaceful protestors" who we're fighting for peace and getting their booties, kinda like the pirates, the freedom-fighters, the robin hoods who want to live free by fighting against "oppression" and "giving back to the poor" in their pockets.
Observe how people acted like animals during the pandemic last year, and how the cliché of everyone going crazy in a pandemic and not banding together for a common cause...has been proven true in most cases.
There's nothing new under the sun, so whats the point of existence, much less bringing children on this world just to suffer.

I want to write this because say a paki with no eyes, internal organs damage and only one leg wants to continue existing. But would you bring a kid into this world knowing he and she will go through hell on a third world ? or be wrapped in lunacy, degeneracy , indoctrination, and insanity in a first world country?
I added children here because leftists, liberals etc...argue they don't want children to increase in this world, not for the sake of the child and what the world has in store for him and her, but for the sake of the world and to reduce "carbon footprints" on this planet run by Satan.

I mention Satan, because "existence shouldn't exist" is a talking point of the devil.

So for any Kiwi that finish reading this, what do you think is your reason for existence to exist?

 

[The Great Chandler]

You either be your own god or lose the opportunity to go out there and kick nihilistic ass

 

[Kill a Troon for Pikamee]

The best feeling that could ever possibly felt, could never make up for the exact opposite. The fact of existence is terrible on those grounds.

Was just reading about vivisections performed on live humans in Japan etc. messed up experiments.

And what if other sentient beings in the universe are able to feel stronger pain than us? How bad can bad get? That will always outweigh the happy or blissed out feels that are possible on the other end.

It is easy to feel disconnected "that's not happening to me though!". But if you imagine for a moment someone told you that you personally have to live every single existence both human and animal, then with only the briefest of thought would it become obvious how rigged that dice is.

Existence should not exist at all. The fact of existence is a cosmic-scale atrocity. And there is nothing at all we can do about it.

The best "feeling"? Are you a woman? Are you a coombrained faggot? Why do you care about "feelings" so much? So what if you feel "bad", are you gonna cry about it like a little bitch? Why do you equal what's good with what feels good? Only retards, women and faggots do that.

I remember a quote from a 4th century sermons collection: "be aware not to look in this world for what even the Lord has not found here". You are brainwashed af to think your opinions about what "feels good" have any relation to "existence" or "cosmic-scale". You're upset because the world is not your personal fleshlight? Lmao nigga grow some balls

 

[Osmosis Jones]

What you see before you is as real as anything gets. There's zero purpose to have any emotional response whatsoever to the idea that it might be a facade. Are you on estrogen?

 

[Michael Wade]

Nihilism is pleasant actually, because you make your own subjective meaning in life. Another weird thing that makes no sense to me, humans wishing for their lives to have an objective meaning... As opposed to some draconian overlord God dictating exactly what you must do in life to be successful, subjective meaning being the only thing that exists gives us more agency.

You think God isnt laying down the rules so we dont turn into all the fucked up people categorized on this site? Look at the worth of sin and tell me good and evil has no meaning. Tell me it does not warp the core of your soul. You think because we suffer that life is pointless. No

Life has meaning because we all have a rock we must carry, accept and overcome. If we die before we can do that and lived good lives, then there is still hope for us to live eternally in a better place.

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

There is nothing anyone can do about it, because first of all a lot of atrocities happened in the past, and secondly because you would have to actually end existence. Not YOURS but literally existence. Reality itself. This is impossible.

Nothing I do can erase the Nazi concentration camp experiments, and no amount of joy or success I ever achieve can make up for their suffering.

Easy proof of the proposition:

I flip a coin, heads you have a year of pure joy and pleasure to the highest degree, you get a wife and kids and so on. Tails and you have a year of pure torture, being raped and dissected, operated on alive, family dies, etc. OR you can do nothing and walk away.

It’s purely a matter of perspective. You’re saying that the bad experienced in humanity is objective, which isn’t true.

People living in a third-world country which you may consider as being a poor example of the state of humanity may understand their situation, yet make the best of it and ultimately be happy (or at least content). Even during the time of Nazi rule, the German people experienced a renaissance, and those who were rescued went on to form families and live their own lives, making the best of their situations.

What you’re doing is just taking your negative outlook on existence and prescribing it to everyone so you can justify your pathetic attitude towards life. Not everyone has the same pessimistic attitude towards existence you do; in fact, I’d be willing to bet a majority of people who have it much harder than you (e.g. third-world country denizens) can find respite in their much tougher situations and live a more content life with a much more positive attitude than you care to have, insulated in a first-world country.

 

[draggs]

OP I suggest you hire Dustin Hoffman and Lily Tomlin to be your existentialist detectives.

Do not hire Isabelle Hupert.

Or just kill yourself for this fake and gay woe is me trolling.

 

[murgatroid]

The incredible amount of human suffering that takes place and that i've seen on gore sites only makes appreciate how blessed I am to have a relatively painless and good life in the USA.

And that you have to be prepared to defend and protect you and your loved ones existence and good life.

 

[RMQualtrough]

It’s purely a matter of perspective. You’re saying that the bad experienced in humanity is objective, which isn’t true.

People living in a third-world country which you may consider as being a poor example of the state of humanity may understand their situation, yet make the best of it and ultimately be happy (or at least content). Even during the time of Nazi rule, the German people experienced a renaissance, and those who were rescued went on to form families and live their own lives, making the best of their situations.

What you’re doing is just taking your negative outlook on existence and prescribing it to everyone so you can justify your pathetic attitude towards life. Not everyone has the same pessimistic attitude towards existence you do; in fact, I’d be willing to bet a majority of people who have it much harder than you (e.g. third-world country denizens) can find respite in their much tougher situations and live a more content life with a much more positive attitude than you care to have, insulated in a first-world country.

This is how egocentric everyone is to think only of the self. Or to make it about "me". A pathetic state for a species. I do not matter in this whatsoever.

I have a pretty ivory tower existence. Most humans do especially in the first world, we are essentially the top of the food chain and king of the planet.

The positive does not make amends for the bad. If you had to live the life of EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING that has ever lived, would that sound like a good deal? It's shit. Being a rich hot famous celebrity in one life, great, then Josef Fritzl's daughter the next. This is not worth it. The severity of decades of incestuous torture and rape is not worth decades of being a billionaire celeb. My fun day out at the pub with pals does not make up for some random African kids dying with AIDS.

If existence never ever happened at all full stop, that would have been better. No happy smiley times in a first world country driving around a convertible with pals. But also no cancer kids and grieving families. That is better.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

This is how egocentric everyone is to think only of the self. Or to make it about "me". A pathetic state for a species. I do not matter in this whatsoever.

I have a pretty ivory tower existence. Most humans do especially in the first world, we are essentially the top of the food chain and king of the planet.

The positive does not make amends for the bad. If you had to live the life of EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING that has ever lived, would that sound like a good deal? It's shit. Being a rich hot famous celebrity in one life, great, then Josef Fritzl's daughter the next. This is not worth it. The severity of decades of incestuous torture and rape is not worth decades of being a billionaire celeb. My fun day out at the pub with pals does not make up for some random African kids dying with AIDS.

If existence never ever happened at all full stop, that would have been better. No happy smiley times in a first world country driving around a convertible with pals. But also no cancer kids and grieving families. That is better.

Then why not kill yourself? You can't change things, you refuse to grow up and stop angsting like a 10 year old.

Doomer! Neck thyself!

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

This is how egocentric everyone is to think only of the self. Or to make it about "me". A pathetic state for a species. I do not matter in this whatsoever.

I have a pretty ivory tower existence. Most humans do especially in the first world, we are essentially the top of the food chain and king of the planet.

The positive does not make amends for the bad. If you had to live the life of EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING that has ever lived, would that sound like a good deal? It's shit. Being a rich hot famous celebrity in one life, great, then Josef Fritzl's daughter the next. This is not worth it. The severity of decades of incestuous torture and rape is not worth decades of being a billionaire celeb. My fun day out at the pub with pals does not make up for some random African kids dying with AIDS.

If existence never ever happened at all full stop, that would have been better. No happy smiley times in a first world country driving around a convertible with pals. But also no cancer kids and grieving families. That is better.

So are you dissociating into an alien?

Get therapy instead of venting in this thread

 

[RMQualtrough]

Then why not kill yourself? You can't change things, you refuse to grow up and stop angsting like a 10 year old.

Doomer! Neck thyself!

Being able to look at things which aren't just yourself and your needs is grown up. It's 10 year olds who are unable to do that.

More than likely I will live a mundane life and die without much event. I don't suppose I will ever be captured by terrorists or end up as a test subject for a Nazi concentration camp doctor. There is no need to kill myself. This non-horrifying life does not justify the atrocities which can potentially be faced in existence.

There is also ofc just mental health suffering. Robin Williams was rich and famous and that still was not enough because of mental illness.

In other cultures they desire an escape from Samsara (the life cycle) into Nirvana where they are free from suffering. The suffering is evolution and life though... I think Sam Harris has referred to life as a constant mini-emergency. Which is true, as long as something is alive there will always be pressures to act and fulfill certain tasks... We have it VERY easy now, survival is as simple for most as not jumping in front of a train, and not starving to death is as simple as walking a few minutes to a grocery store.

Consider all the ancestors we had and other species of animal where they are constantly escaping from danger, in constant need of food, etc... It makes perfect evolutionary sense that life would be a struggle, as whoever could struggle for survival the most effectively are the ones who pass on their genes. Any creature which never felt hunger or pain and just sat there until death would not see sexual maturity. Life is a constant effort to keep your body alive basically, you are fighting everything to keep this specific combination of atoms together.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Being a rich hot famous celebrity in one life, great, then Josef Fritzl's daughter the next. This is not worth it. The severity of decades of incestuous torture and rape is not worth decades of being a billionaire celeb.

And where is Elisabeth now? Did she succumb to the despair of her past and no longer able to function in society? Hell no! She got happily married and her children are expected to have promising careers in the future. What kept her going was the love of her children, which in her eyes made up with the daily torment she faced.

You can moan about the horrors of mankind all you want, but never underestimate a person's desire to overcome adversity

 

[Bloitzhole]

How do you quantify suffering? What is the instrument used to weigh pleasure against pain. Edgelording aside, you are writing as if you could clearly calculate which side of the scale drops - how do you justify this presupposition?
And why, assuming we could measure woe against joy, is the ultimate goal of existence as a whole a net profit of pleasure? This again, presupposes that existence is only worthwhile and justified through lack of suffering. Why is this so?
This reads like a 19 year old who just skimmed Camus for the first time.

Everyone fears mortality

Speak for yourself mate

 

[RMQualtrough]

How do you quantify suffering? What is the instrument used to weigh pleasure against pain. Edgelording aside, you are writing as if you could clearly calculate which side of the scale drops - how do you justify this presupposition?
And why, assuming we could measure woe against joy, is the ultimate goal of existence as a whole a net profit of pleasure? This again, presupposes that existence is only worthwhile and justified through lack of suffering. Why is this so?
This reads like a 19 year old who just skimmed Camus for the first time.


Speak for yourself mate

Good and bad are subjective feelings so there is no objective measure. There is no goal of existence at all, I think it only exists by actual necessity. Not by any design or anything like that.

The worst pain I've felt could theoretically be prolonged for my entire existence. Actually I think some babies are born like this but they don't live very long. That is a completely worthless existence but mercifully short.

 

[FEETLOAF]

Leibniz DEBUNKED the problem of evil in 1710 with this absolute banger. He deduced that we live in the best of all possible worlds. He then went on to invent calculus. Have you invented calculus, you dumb nigger?

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

This is how egocentric everyone is to think only of the self. Or to make it about "me". A pathetic state for a species. I do not matter in this whatsoever.

I have a pretty ivory tower existence. Most humans do especially in the first world, we are essentially the top of the food chain and king of the planet.

The positive does not make amends for the bad. If you had to live the life of EVERY SINGLE LIVING THING that has ever lived, would that sound like a good deal? It's shit. Being a rich hot famous celebrity in one life, great, then Josef Fritzl's daughter the next. This is not worth it. The severity of decades of incestuous torture and rape is not worth decades of being a billionaire celeb. My fun day out at the pub with pals does not make up for some random African kids dying with AIDS.

If existence never ever happened at all full stop, that would have been better. No happy smiley times in a first world country driving around a convertible with pals. But also no cancer kids and grieving families. That is better.

What I argued was quite possibly the opposite of egocentric. I’m saying you’re being egoist by assigning everyone your pessimistic outlook on life.

You don’t know what these people who lived these horrible, awful lives thought of their situations. Maybe they found respite in their awful situations and were able to be content in the end. I’ve been to countries where running water was rare, yet people managed to overlook the fact most basic necessities were basically luxuries and find a way to be content.

Your definition of “bad” is purely subjective. What may be a fucked existence for you may be a state of absolute euphoria for someone else. You’re coming in here with your doomer attitude and just assuming everyone who doesn’t have it as good as you do is wallowing in their own misery so you can feel better about your shit attitude. I’m sorry to tell you that you’re wrong. Most people in relatively bad situations would disagree with your assessment and think existence holds more good than bad.

 

[RMQualtrough]

What I argued was quite possibly the opposite of egocentric. I’m saying you’re being egoist by assigning everyone your pessimistic outlook on life.

You don’t know what these people who lived these horrible, awful lives thought of their situations. Maybe they found respite in their awful situations and were able to be content in the end. I’ve been to countries where running water was rare, yet people managed to overlook the fact most basic necessities were basically luxuries and find a way to be content.

Your definition of “bad” is purely subjective. What may be a fucked existence for you may be a state of absolute euphoria for someone else. You’re coming in here with your doomer attitude and just assuming everyone who doesn’t have it as good as you do is wallowing in their own misery so you can feel better about your shit attitude. I’m sorry to tell you that you’re wrong. Most people in relatively bad situations would disagree with your assessment and think existence holds more good than bad.

I don't have any attitude.

Because perspective is subjective, the situation people are in is fully mental. Generally because of the way we are made, people in shitty situations tend to not have good lives as a general rule (but there are exceptions of well off people like Robin Williams). Because of this, many parents will not have a child if that child has a high chance of being born seriously deformed or disabled.

Why if people in such situations are magically happy would anyone ever choose to do that? From that unborn child's perspective, existence never exists. And that is the decision most people make. Even happy disabled people tend to not have kids if they are told their child will have the same disease. Why? I thought they were super happy?

What is being proposed really, is that it's okay that some people (and animals) are born to endure suffering just so the lucky ones who get some level of joy from life can have that joy. From most people's perspective that is great and worth it because it is not them. But the negative spin on the heads/tails flip is not made equally.

If someone offered a coin flip chance at either living, say, 50 years of the rest of your life in constant never ending bliss, or 50 years in constant never ending pain and terror, not many people would flip the coin. Technically it is neutral because the extremes should balance, but they don't... Same with existence, it's a rigged flip.

If you and everyone you know in your family etc has an enjoyable existence, that does not mean existence itself is a positive. It just means you got lucky. You do not have to care about this, and actually it's irrelevant in real terms because preventing existence is impossible. So you can just live and die and be happy and w.e. you won the coin flip. This is a philosophical question and purely cerebral.