Clayton Ray Huff / Dream / DreamOnPvP / DreamTraps / DreamAF / DreamXD / DeltaKnight / DreamSkilful / Clayman23 - Fat Minecraft Youtuber with fans that want to torture and rape him and are in denial that he's fat.

[mr big penis]

What's the point of putting the speedrun mods through all of that only to admit it later? This is amazing.

 

[Novichops]

WOW, what a fucking weasel. He couldn't even let that "apology" stand and let the egg fall on his face for more than 24 hours without taking it down and making up ANOTHER lie for his 9 year old fanbase to buy.

Sorry to be *that guy*, but to reiterate:

FYI, Pastebin TOS says Guest posts can't be deleted unless the report feature is used, if you look at the archive we've saved, he submitted the Pastebin as a guest

 

[Aidan]

This parasocial shit is crazy.

Me every time I visit this thread.

 

[Neil]

Sorry to be *that guy*, but to reiterate:

Maybe he emailed Pastebin to get it taken down, or it had an expiration timer.

 

[Novichops]

Maybe he emailed Pastebin to get it taken down, or it had an expiration timer.

Considering Dream supposedly knows people at Doxbin it could be possible he knows Pastebin staff as well.

 

[why am I fucking here]

Considering Dream supposedly knows people at Doxbin it could be possible he knows Pastebin staff as well.

Iirc, it was Doxially that knew people at Doxbin and asked them to remove Clay's dox. It's possible he knows people at Pastebin, but I think it's more likely that the apology was mass reported (if that's even possible) or he was tired of the hate and contacted higher ups anyways to get it taken down, using his clout to get to them.

Whatever happened, thanks for proving you're a certified retard, Clay. I think half of us wouldn't even be annoyed by you if you had a fucking spine and didn't try to appear perfect to your audience of deranged 12 year olds. There's a reason why pandering this much to your fans always ends badly, just look at any TV series that changes it's ending due to fan theories. I hope you've been spending your YouTube money wisely, because your fans are going to turn on you eventually.

 

[doz]

Maybe he emailed Pastebin to get it taken down, or it had an expiration timer.

i swear i remember it not being on a timer. i think he said that pastebin removed it but idk if thats true

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

He's right, but this fucking ego from these people is grating. Dream spent the last 12 months walking around like he's hot shit, same with the rest of his posse. Even during something that's supposed to be "humbling", they're still strutting like they're the shit.

You have no idea how many fucking tweets I saw today from 13 year olds going "YEAH DREAM CHEATED, AND HE LOOKED HOT WHILE DOING IT"

It's fucking crazy how an crudely drawn MSpaint avatar of a stick figure attached to a white boy's voice can spawn this kind of a cult. They don't even know what he looks like, yet they'll still spend hours defending him to death because he's their best friend in the whole world.

This parasocial shit is crazy.

WOW, what a fucking weasel. He couldn't even let that "apology" stand and let the egg fall on his face for more than 24 hours without taking it down and making up ANOTHER lie for his 9 year old fanbase to buy.

Looking at Dream and his pattern of behavior over the past several months since this thread began, I've noticed that he has a tendency to have some Machiavellian personality traits. He's generally doing a mediocre job at doing it but if your target audience is kids & people in their early teens they're generally easier to manipulate. The "you're all my kittens" shit, the 50% markup on his dog shit merch, the fact he lied to everyone for 7 months even though it was blatantly obvious to everyone else he cheated. It has to do with the dark triad of personality in psychology, I'm putting forward the hypothesis of him being a Machiavellian, a mediocre one but one none the less.

Some psychologist on quora explaining what Machiavellianism is in psychology.

 

[Aidan]

I doubt Dream's personal network reaches into Pastebin, generally with websites like that you can just email anonymously requesting something be taken down and they err on the side of caution. You can claim it's about you and is a lie being used in a harassment campaign, for example.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dream requested it be removed or if his insane fans thought it hurt his image so spammed pastebin about it to get it taken down. I'm sure he expected this, hence using pastebin and being okay with just deleting the tweet and acting like the message is gone forever - having done his part by sharing it initially to begin with.

i swear i remember it not being on a timer. i think he said that pastebin removed it but idk if thats true

It was set to never expire. https://archive.md/rMBKq


Dream is almost certainly a narcissist and will inflate the appearance of his power (and ego) by saying he's better connected than he is. Don't forget this guy was basically a nobody until he road the coat tails of the Pewdiepie minecraft hype where actual Minecraft autists were diligently working overtime to find Pewd's Minecraft world seed. Dream swooped in and took the bulk of the credit while having done none of the work and he knows it. He then proceeds to turn around and shit on a lot of the people who did do that autistic work because they rightly called him out on cheating, which he no doubt knew he did but with his "clout" he didn't need them at all anymore and was ok with ruining them.

Like others have pointed out, his behavior will probably be his downfall. He relies on others for views and has an audience of children, both things won't last forever and historically those youtube channel relationships have a falling out at some point due to some controversy.
Dream probably recognizes this at least partially as he acknowledged it in the pastebin message...

All I know is that it scared me a lot. feeling like everything you built might come tumbling down and there’s nothing you can do about it is really stressful.

It's inevitable he will feel cornered again because whether he realizes it or not, his powder keg of a fanbase loves the drama as it gives them something to fight for, so it will be inflated just by them going out and attacking anyone who calls Dream out on his shit, which will one day be one of his "friends".



Rereading much of the pastebin after getting that quote shows how insane Dream is.

Spoiler: Dream's Pastebin

1. I feel like this is something important to talk about, I’ve been very withheld for a while about it all and just decided it’d probably be best to just let it out so I can feel relaxed a little more I guess. This will be a very long read i’m sure, I’m writing this in my bath at 4am on my phone so forgive any mistakes or confusing bits.
2. 
   
3. Back in October/November of 2020, I for the first time since when 1.16 had just released I decided to try and speedrun 1.16 some to get a decent time. My goal was to get a time faster than 25 minutes, which was a good time and fairly obtainable at the time for me without spending months speedrunning. We had or were just about to switch manhunt to 1.16 and I wanted to get practice for that, and then speedrun for a better 1.15 time, because my record on 1.15 had been beaten.
4. 
   
5. After running for about a week, I got a 19 minute time (that arguably could have been lower, ironically enough due to bad luck). I started running 1.15 directly after, and a few day’s later there were some suspicions involving my streamed runs on 1.16. At this point, I was cooperative but upset and confused that I was being questioned. I provided all the information that I could, and assumed that everything was fine. As chatter grew, I was confused and the numbers didn’t look to be in my favor.
6. 
   
7. At this point I reached out to the only mojang developer that I had contact with, and talked for an hour or so about what was going on. I told him the details and was asking if there’s potential for a bug or glitch, and he told me that no there isn’t, but said some things about how banning for luck seems far fetched and that they should improve their system.
8. 
   
9. I felt a little reassured, but also angry that I was potentially being dragged for absolutely nothing. It wasn’t a huge thing yet, but it still lingered in my mind and I couldn’t really think about anything other than it.
10. 
    
11. As time went on and many weeks passed, I grew more and more frustrated, convinced that I was being targeted due to the fact that I was a Youtuber and a couple of the mods (self admitted) didn’t like me at all and didn’t have many kind words to say. I was an asshole and lashed out publicly, saying the investigation was a farce and expressing how pissed I was that I was being targeted and that it was taking so long, as the mods kept giving me deadlines and then missing them.
12. 
    
13. This was terribly stupid of me to do. I was scared and stressed and said and did shitty things. I regret it a lot and really wish that I had been able to keep my calm.
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15. Later that month, the speedrun team released a video and a document detailing why my 1.16 runs couldn’t have been legitimate based on math and statistics. I admittedly don’t know shit about math and statistics, I didn’t go to college and I hated math my whole life. At this point I felt complete fear, as I felt like I had been publicly smeared in a way that I have no clue how to respond to. I didn’t understand the math and I didn’t understand why I had been left in the dark for so long only to have a video dropped randomly on me right before MCC. At this point and before, I had multiple speedrun moderators messaging me scary things about how it was a shit show and no one could agree on things just before the release, that they were clearly biased against me and so on. In retrospect, this may have been out of fear and wanting to be on the good side of a really big youtuber, or maybe they were being truthful or a little bit of both. All I know is that it scared me a lot. feeling like everything you built might come tumbling down and there’s nothing you can do about it is really stressful.
16. 
    
17. Again, I lashed out. I tweeted about the mods being clout chasers, and said a lot of really dicky things. I was pissed, I was scared, and I was being an idiot.
18. 
    
19. shortly after that, someone gave me the idea to hire a professional statistician because I know nothing about math. This calmed me down a lot and brought me back to a much healthier mindset. I googled and I ended up finding two professors and I emailed them both about the situation asking for assistance. Only one of them was available to help.
20. 
    
21. I was looking for help and I told them that I didn’t cheat, and that I just needed a second opinion on the math. Eventually the professor came back with a conclusion that the mods numbers were off by a significant significant margin, and that’s it’s possible although extremely unlikely. Again, not completely understanding math but knowing that my experts opinion seemed to be that the mods were off, I felt vindicated and relieved. I made a video about it, and expressed the professors views. people hounded me for it saying that the Astro physicist was fake, but the mods confirmed it was legit. I just wanted a (mostly) unbiased parties opinion.
22. 
    
23. The mods came back with a response, correcting the professor and saying that he was off and providing reasons for why. Again, I don’t understand complicated math so I sent it directly to the professor asking for his thoughts. Later on, he came back admitting there were mistakes in his original assessment, although he still believed theirs was off. In his rebuttal though, he came to the conclusion that it’s improbable that I didn’t cheat. I felt like the right thing to do was post his findings, even though he hadn’t asked me to yet, I did. I tweeted them out and replied saying that I agree that it seems more likely than not that I cheated. I didn’t say anything more than that.
24. 
    
25. Funnily enough, he actually emailed me a day or two later saying I need to post his findings, or he will (semi-threatening, but not in a mean way), and I responded that I already had before he even asked.
26. 
    
27. At this point I was lost, and I was fairly confused about the whole thing. Wondering what the other options were and exploring the possibilities. as much as I was confident that I didn’t cheat, I had never explored the option that I possibly did. due to the way I reacted to the mods and perceived everything going on I was convinced that they were out to get me. I tunnel visioned and was paranoid and didn’t think straight. I had plenty of valid reasons to believe that they weren’t impartial, and had the mod team and I been completely friendly from the beginning I believe it never would have gotten to the point that it did.
28. 
    
29. After considering this, I ended up finding out that I HAD actually been using a disallowed modification during ~6 of my live streams on Twitch. At the time we were just starting to record videos on 1.16 and we had just hired a developer to help with coding mods for videos because me and George had no experience with mods only plugins. One of the mods that they were working on was an overall recording mod, that I have used in every video (with updates and improvements) since around the speedrun controversy. You may notice it in my videos due to f3 being small or particles being reduced, or recently on my streams things like the background being custom or a “Dreams servers” option and plenty of other features and improvements.
30. 
    
31. In our challenge videos, before 1.16 we always increased the enderman spawn rates and pearl drop rates out of convenience and we’ve mentioned that openly before. It makes the videos better because we don’t spend hours looking for pearls or spend so much time farming blaze rods (a totally RNG thing, mostly pearls). When 1.16 came out, it was more complicated to increase piglin trades then it is to do enderman pearl drops. A server side plugin was made for our videos that slightly increases the rates. Around this time is when the first versions of the recording mod was being made, although it was more of a chat mod at this point.
32. 
    
33. I had considered at the time that this potentially could have been a problem, but brushed it off because 1. Server side and client side are completely different and as far as I was aware nothing had been done client side. 2. as far as I knew it was just basically a chat mod so far and 3. I was 99% sure that I didn’t even have the recording mod on. Which was backed up by the fabric api logs saying that only the fabric api was loaded (although I found out later it only lists things that explicitly ask to be listed which I had no idea) this was mentioned in my response video.
34. 
    
35. I ended up thinking that it’s basically the only explanation after the professor came back with what he did. I talked with the developer and ended up finding out that when working on the mod stuff he had added the same improvements from our challenge servers to the client side mod so that they would work in single player for videos like the shock collar video or other “single player” mod videos. This was only in an early rendition of the mod and was removed because the developer realized that those type of videos can just be done on a PC hosted server. This actually included a couple other things that weren’t mentioned at all during the controversy much as far as I’m aware. Ender eyes had a low chance of breaking when thrown, and enderman dropped pearls at a much higher percentage (I don’t think I killed many enderman so this wasnt noticeable, similar to the eyes).
36. 
    
37. When I realized this, I felt an extreme sense of guilt and I took down my response video not believing in what I said in the video at all anymore. This was a couple months ago at this point I believe. When the drama first started I cared more about defending myself and being right, then about figuring out what was actually going on and I shot myself in the foot by doing it.
38. 
    
39. I felt really terrible for the mods because I dragged them through the mud even though they were mostly right. I still feel as though the mod team was extremely unprofessional when dealing with it, but they’re a group of volunteers just trying to do their job and in their eyes I was some cheating sob youtuber who didn’t care at all. Maybe in their position I would have treated me the same. I was an asshole back to them which didn’t help at all either.
40. 
    
41. I reflected a lot about the entire thing and had a lot of regret about just the first few days after the runs. What if they had asked for my mods sooner, what if I had realized sooner, what if I hadn’t had a history with a couple of the mods maybe I wouldn’t have jumped straight to them being out to get me. Further past that what if I could have controlled my emotions and not blown the whole thing out of proportion. I can’t live by what if’s though so I was just left with what I had. I debated live streaming or making a video about it, but the drama had basically already passed and I was worried about rekindling the fire when I had already gone through basically a couple months straight of absolutely being shit on by anyone that didn’t think of me favorably, and the mods had gone through weeks of torture Im sure too.
42. 
    
43. I figured it’s out of the way, and it would be a story I would tell in a few years when no one really cared. I told a couple people and just felt like the community had been through enough drama and that it was pointless. I didn’t want to be the center of controversy for the hundredth time.
44. 
    
45. it was shitty and an unfortunate situation where I felt like I couldn’t defend myself anymore in good faith without feeling bad but I also didn’t have any intention of cheating.
46. 
    
47. Since the speedrun controversy there’s been some animosity between me and the mods, and I feel like the relationship only got worse. They declined my donations from the controversy video, got into drama a couple times with me/my community on Twitter since(don’t want to go into specifics), and a month or so ago added me to a chat questioning me about my previous 1.15 runs from around a year ago. They saw a suspicious black box that they thought meant a splice, but it turned out to be a youtube setting on their end that they realized, and they had some other random questions as well. This was resolved fairly maturely I believe and I haven’t talked to them since.
48. 
    
49. Yesterday around MCC the mods made the decision to remove my old runs due to suspicions and the fact that my 1.16 run was invalid, which is something that is done with most people who submit any invalid runs at all. I’m sure there’s reasonable suspicions about most runs, especially offline ones from back when they were allowed, so couple that with a 1.16 run being actually invalid and it’s a completely reasonable assumption. You can’t give someone the benefit of doubt on lag or frame skips or potential cuts or anything unless they’ve earned it, and in this case I haven’t at all. So I don’t want to see any hate towards the mods or any drama involving the fact that they were marked invalid due to my 1.16 run. I think it’s dumb that it’s been done 11 months later, but it’s understandable and if anything, I deserve it, and it puts an end to any potential drama. (at this point what could they do, double ban me? /j)
50. 
    
51. I’m not really sure what Im expecting out of all of this, but I just felt like I had a huge weight on my shoulder and I want to get it off. I think the whole situation was extremely shitty overall for everyone involved and I wish that I could go back and do things differently because it was some of the worst weeks of my life and still impacts me every day. I’m sorry to anyone that I let down or disappointed. I always strive to be the best person that I can be and that whole debacle wasn’t the best that I can be or anywhere near it. I hope this brings some closure to anyone who needed it, and I really want to move forward with positive vibes like I’ve been trying my best to promote as much as I can.
52. 
    
53. When I got into speed running I was doing it every day for months, and you can see the skill improvement even just over a few months of tryharding. It was so much fun and I got a few snarky records that I shouldn’t have got in the first place (my first world record I chopped down trees for 10 minutes, I still find that hilarious how unoptimized the category was). I came in at the right time and met some absolutely incredible people who are some of the best Minecraft players on the planet. I am no where near the best speedrunner and I never have been, I was in the right place at the right time and was able to have a lot of fun because of that.
54. 
    
55. I hope that this gives insight into my mindset a little bit, but if not I’m not sure what will. I’m sure I’ll talk about it more just for clarity sake, but I want to avoid causing more drama. please don’t send any hate to the mod team or anyone involved in the situation, I don’t want any more drama at all, you’re no supporter of mine if you do.

Spoiler: Comments on the pastebin

I’m writing this in my bath at 4am on my phone so forgive any mistakes or confusing bits.

"This is totally chill and me being quirky in my tub at 4am writing a heartfelt message pardon any fuckups"
I don't buy it, it's just a way to pre-excuse himself if he says something stupid in it while trying to appear relatable and vulnerable at the same time.

It wasn’t a huge thing yet, but it still lingered in my mind and I couldn’t really think about anything other than it.

He knew he cheated and knew he had been caught and it was eating away at him. The act itself wasn't eating away at him, but the fact he knew he had been caught...

I grew more and more frustrated, convinced that I was being targeted due to the fact that I was a Youtuber and a couple of the mods (self admitted) didn’t like me at all
...

Classic narcissism, I wonder why they don't like him. Yet they were the ones right in the end and he absolutely sicced his fans on them while pretending he didn't.

Eventually the professor came back with a conclusion that the mods numbers were off by a significant significant margin, and that’s it’s possible although extremely unlikely. Again, not completely understanding math but knowing that my experts opinion seemed to be that the mods were off, I felt vindicated and relieved.

"The guy I paid to review my stuff said the speedrun mods' math was off but it was still extremely unlikely. So clearly the math was in my favor this time and I was relieved."
Never mind that this guy was the one who was wrong, he didn't understand Minecraft enough to even run the numbers properly in the time he had. And this "professor" ultimately came to a similar conclusion that the odds were still (literally) astronomically not in Dream's favor but they were in his favor by a few more magnitudes so Dream interprets this as evidence he didn't cheat.
I think Dream skipped all of the math now that he's admitted to being math illiterate and just jumped to the BLUF and since it was more in his favor he read what he wanted to read, not what was actually there.

The mods came back with a response, correcting the professor and saying that he was off and providing reasons for why. Again, I don’t understand complicated math so I sent it directly to the professor asking for his thoughts. Later on, he came back admitting there were mistakes in his original assessment, although he still believed theirs was off.

tl;dr Dream is saying the mods still fucked up even though his guy fucked up too. The takeaway being the mods fucked up.

In his rebuttal though, he came to the conclusion that it’s improbable that I didn’t cheat.

Why didn't this make it into Dream's video on this very thing? At this point Dream had it from both sides that he probably (almost certainly) cheated, yet he went so far as to make a demeaning video and left out that in personal exchanges his own guy believes he cheated too.
Of course, Dream knows he cheated and knew it from the start, but to me this shows the type of person Dream is. He was in full damage control but also wanted to use his "clout" to get revenge on those who would dare publicly oppose him and embarrass him like this. The video did its job and then he took it down later, knowing full well he cheated.

I felt like the right thing to do was post his findings, even though he hadn’t asked me to yet, I did.

Trying to paint himself as the good guy even though him posting the findings was a veiled smear against the speedrun mods and he pointed to this as proof he didn't cheat. However, the guy who gave him all this math he doesn't understand has already told Dream it's "improbable that [he] didn't cheat."

At this point I was lost, and I was fairly confused about the whole thing. Wondering what the other options were and exploring the possibilities. as much as I was confident that I didn’t cheat, I had never explored the option that I possibly did.

...had the mod team and I been completely friendly from the beginning I believe it never would have gotten to the point that it did.

"They made me behave that way"
"It's their fault"

After considering this, I ended up finding out that I HAD actually been using a disallowed modification during ~6 of my live streams on Twitch.

After he considered he cheated, he realized he cheated.
So even when he apparently discovered that he cheated, he didn't mention it or apologize to the people he attacked. Great guy.

I was 99% sure that I didn’t even have the recording mod on. Which was backed up by the fabric api logs saying that only the fabric api was loaded (although I found out later it only lists things that explicitly ask to be listed which I had no idea) this was mentioned in my response video.

This would have been avoided had he not conveniently deleted the mods folder when the speedrun mods asked him for it. Not to mention on Windows he could have fished it out of the Recycling Bin very easily.
I don't recall this being mentioned in his response either but if anyone knows which video I'd go through it. I can't imagine it's the one where he misunderstands the "professor"'s data.

This was only in an early rendition of the mod and was removed because the developer realized that those type of videos can just be done on a PC hosted server.

Dumb and unlikely but possible. If anything I'd expect a developer to cut down on their own workload by saying "This will work for singleplayer too, just set up a local server." instead of doubling efforts to maintain a client version and server version of a mod.

I felt really terrible for the mods because I dragged them through the mud even though they were mostly right. I still feel as though the mod team was extremely unprofessional when dealing with it...

If you've ever dealt with a narcissist, this should be familiar.
The mods were mostly right (so still wrong) and they handled things poorly. If they were a bit nicer then things may not have been so bad.

Though he acknowledges it a bit here

Maybe in their position I would have treated me the same. I was an asshole back to them which didn’t help at all either.

I don’t want to see any hate towards the mods or any drama involving the fact that they were marked invalid due to my 1.16 run. I think it’s dumb that it’s been done 11 months later, but it’s understandable and if anything, I deserve it, and it puts an end to any potential drama.

I think this looks good at face value but I'm pretty sure the invalidation was not due to his 1.16 run, though it was a contributing factor. Otherwise they would have done that months ago.

please don’t send any hate to the mod team or anyone involved in the situation, I don’t want any more drama at all, you’re no supporter of mine if you do.

This is nice and all but he should do this on his main Twitter and probably in his videos if he actually means it, which I doubt.

Overall I think the pastebin is an example of Dream's usual manipulative behavior and helps show how big his head is. He can't just say "Oh shiiiiiiit guys this was a massive misunderstanding. It turns out I did cheat, but on accident!! XD I am SO sorry to everyone, especially the Minecraft speedrun community and mods. Details in this long message below if you care."
He demeans everyone who "wronged" him during the whole fiasco even still then turns around and tries to balance it in the next sentence or vice versa.

Dream cheated. He knew he cheated. Some of his associates almost certainly knew he cheated as they were familiar with the mod.
He then went to great lengths to cover it up and when no one but his ardent fans bought it, he didn't know how to handle it.


edit: Changed color of the quote text to make it easier to follow. I'm artistically retarded so if that color is bad I will fix it.
I also was going to shit on DarkViperAU a bit for going waaaaaay too easy on Dream but decided not to. However I had the video still running in the background and noticed Dream references the 10 minute woodchopping again.
Seems like he's got the talking points ironed out. https://youtu.be/YyEvlmBmjjc?t=8232

 

[TSG]

I doubt Dream's personal network reaches into Pastebin, generally with websites like that you can just email anonymously requesting something be taken down and they err on the side of caution. You can claim it's about you and is a lie being used in a harassment campaign, for example.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dream requested it be removed or if his insane fans thought it hurt his image so spammed pastebin about it to get it taken down. I'm sure he expected this, hence using pastebin and being okay with just deleting the tweet and acting like the message is gone forever - having done his part by sharing it initially to begin with.


It was set to never expire. https://archive.md/rMBKq


Dream is almost certainly a narcissist and will inflate the appearance of his power (and ego) by saying he's better connected than he is. Don't forget this guy was basically a nobody until he road the coat tails of the Pewdiepie minecraft hype where actual Minecraft autists were diligently working overtime to find Pewd's Minecraft world seed. Dream swooped in and took the bulk of the credit while having done none of the work and he knows it. He then proceeds to turn around and shit on a lot of the people who did do that autistic work because they rightly called him out on cheating, which he no doubt knew he did but with his "clout" he didn't need them at all anymore and was ok with ruining them.

Like others have pointed out, his behavior will probably be his downfall. He relies on others for views and has an audience of children, both things won't last forever and historically those youtube channel relationships have a falling out at some point due to some controversy.
Dream probably recognizes this at least partially as he acknowledged it in the pastebin message...


It's inevitable he will feel cornered again because whether he realizes it or not, his powder keg of a fanbase loves the drama as it gives them something to fight for, so it will be inflated just by them going out and attacking anyone who calls Dream out on his shit, which will one day be one of his "friends".



Rereading much of the pastebin after getting that quote shows how insane Dream is.

Spoiler: Dream's Pastebin

1. I feel like this is something important to talk about, I’ve been very withheld for a while about it all and just decided it’d probably be best to just let it out so I can feel relaxed a little more I guess. This will be a very long read i’m sure, I’m writing this in my bath at 4am on my phone so forgive any mistakes or confusing bits.
2. 
   
3. Back in October/November of 2020, I for the first time since when 1.16 had just released I decided to try and speedrun 1.16 some to get a decent time. My goal was to get a time faster than 25 minutes, which was a good time and fairly obtainable at the time for me without spending months speedrunning. We had or were just about to switch manhunt to 1.16 and I wanted to get practice for that, and then speedrun for a better 1.15 time, because my record on 1.15 had been beaten.
4. 
   
5. After running for about a week, I got a 19 minute time (that arguably could have been lower, ironically enough due to bad luck). I started running 1.15 directly after, and a few day’s later there were some suspicions involving my streamed runs on 1.16. At this point, I was cooperative but upset and confused that I was being questioned. I provided all the information that I could, and assumed that everything was fine. As chatter grew, I was confused and the numbers didn’t look to be in my favor.
6. 
   
7. At this point I reached out to the only mojang developer that I had contact with, and talked for an hour or so about what was going on. I told him the details and was asking if there’s potential for a bug or glitch, and he told me that no there isn’t, but said some things about how banning for luck seems far fetched and that they should improve their system.
8. 
   
9. I felt a little reassured, but also angry that I was potentially being dragged for absolutely nothing. It wasn’t a huge thing yet, but it still lingered in my mind and I couldn’t really think about anything other than it.
10. 
    
11. As time went on and many weeks passed, I grew more and more frustrated, convinced that I was being targeted due to the fact that I was a Youtuber and a couple of the mods (self admitted) didn’t like me at all and didn’t have many kind words to say. I was an asshole and lashed out publicly, saying the investigation was a farce and expressing how pissed I was that I was being targeted and that it was taking so long, as the mods kept giving me deadlines and then missing them.
12. 
    
13. This was terribly stupid of me to do. I was scared and stressed and said and did shitty things. I regret it a lot and really wish that I had been able to keep my calm.
14. 
    
15. Later that month, the speedrun team released a video and a document detailing why my 1.16 runs couldn’t have been legitimate based on math and statistics. I admittedly don’t know shit about math and statistics, I didn’t go to college and I hated math my whole life. At this point I felt complete fear, as I felt like I had been publicly smeared in a way that I have no clue how to respond to. I didn’t understand the math and I didn’t understand why I had been left in the dark for so long only to have a video dropped randomly on me right before MCC. At this point and before, I had multiple speedrun moderators messaging me scary things about how it was a shit show and no one could agree on things just before the release, that they were clearly biased against me and so on. In retrospect, this may have been out of fear and wanting to be on the good side of a really big youtuber, or maybe they were being truthful or a little bit of both. All I know is that it scared me a lot. feeling like everything you built might come tumbling down and there’s nothing you can do about it is really stressful.
16. 
    
17. Again, I lashed out. I tweeted about the mods being clout chasers, and said a lot of really dicky things. I was pissed, I was scared, and I was being an idiot.
18. 
    
19. shortly after that, someone gave me the idea to hire a professional statistician because I know nothing about math. This calmed me down a lot and brought me back to a much healthier mindset. I googled and I ended up finding two professors and I emailed them both about the situation asking for assistance. Only one of them was available to help.
20. 
    
21. I was looking for help and I told them that I didn’t cheat, and that I just needed a second opinion on the math. Eventually the professor came back with a conclusion that the mods numbers were off by a significant significant margin, and that’s it’s possible although extremely unlikely. Again, not completely understanding math but knowing that my experts opinion seemed to be that the mods were off, I felt vindicated and relieved. I made a video about it, and expressed the professors views. people hounded me for it saying that the Astro physicist was fake, but the mods confirmed it was legit. I just wanted a (mostly) unbiased parties opinion.
22. 
    
23. The mods came back with a response, correcting the professor and saying that he was off and providing reasons for why. Again, I don’t understand complicated math so I sent it directly to the professor asking for his thoughts. Later on, he came back admitting there were mistakes in his original assessment, although he still believed theirs was off. In his rebuttal though, he came to the conclusion that it’s improbable that I didn’t cheat. I felt like the right thing to do was post his findings, even though he hadn’t asked me to yet, I did. I tweeted them out and replied saying that I agree that it seems more likely than not that I cheated. I didn’t say anything more than that.
24. 
    
25. Funnily enough, he actually emailed me a day or two later saying I need to post his findings, or he will (semi-threatening, but not in a mean way), and I responded that I already had before he even asked.
26. 
    
27. At this point I was lost, and I was fairly confused about the whole thing. Wondering what the other options were and exploring the possibilities. as much as I was confident that I didn’t cheat, I had never explored the option that I possibly did. due to the way I reacted to the mods and perceived everything going on I was convinced that they were out to get me. I tunnel visioned and was paranoid and didn’t think straight. I had plenty of valid reasons to believe that they weren’t impartial, and had the mod team and I been completely friendly from the beginning I believe it never would have gotten to the point that it did.
28. 
    
29. After considering this, I ended up finding out that I HAD actually been using a disallowed modification during ~6 of my live streams on Twitch. At the time we were just starting to record videos on 1.16 and we had just hired a developer to help with coding mods for videos because me and George had no experience with mods only plugins. One of the mods that they were working on was an overall recording mod, that I have used in every video (with updates and improvements) since around the speedrun controversy. You may notice it in my videos due to f3 being small or particles being reduced, or recently on my streams things like the background being custom or a “Dreams servers” option and plenty of other features and improvements.
30. 
    
31. In our challenge videos, before 1.16 we always increased the enderman spawn rates and pearl drop rates out of convenience and we’ve mentioned that openly before. It makes the videos better because we don’t spend hours looking for pearls or spend so much time farming blaze rods (a totally RNG thing, mostly pearls). When 1.16 came out, it was more complicated to increase piglin trades then it is to do enderman pearl drops. A server side plugin was made for our videos that slightly increases the rates. Around this time is when the first versions of the recording mod was being made, although it was more of a chat mod at this point.
32. 
    
33. I had considered at the time that this potentially could have been a problem, but brushed it off because 1. Server side and client side are completely different and as far as I was aware nothing had been done client side. 2. as far as I knew it was just basically a chat mod so far and 3. I was 99% sure that I didn’t even have the recording mod on. Which was backed up by the fabric api logs saying that only the fabric api was loaded (although I found out later it only lists things that explicitly ask to be listed which I had no idea) this was mentioned in my response video.
34. 
    
35. I ended up thinking that it’s basically the only explanation after the professor came back with what he did. I talked with the developer and ended up finding out that when working on the mod stuff he had added the same improvements from our challenge servers to the client side mod so that they would work in single player for videos like the shock collar video or other “single player” mod videos. This was only in an early rendition of the mod and was removed because the developer realized that those type of videos can just be done on a PC hosted server. This actually included a couple other things that weren’t mentioned at all during the controversy much as far as I’m aware. Ender eyes had a low chance of breaking when thrown, and enderman dropped pearls at a much higher percentage (I don’t think I killed many enderman so this wasnt noticeable, similar to the eyes).
36. 
    
37. When I realized this, I felt an extreme sense of guilt and I took down my response video not believing in what I said in the video at all anymore. This was a couple months ago at this point I believe. When the drama first started I cared more about defending myself and being right, then about figuring out what was actually going on and I shot myself in the foot by doing it.
38. 
    
39. I felt really terrible for the mods because I dragged them through the mud even though they were mostly right. I still feel as though the mod team was extremely unprofessional when dealing with it, but they’re a group of volunteers just trying to do their job and in their eyes I was some cheating sob youtuber who didn’t care at all. Maybe in their position I would have treated me the same. I was an asshole back to them which didn’t help at all either.
40. 
    
41. I reflected a lot about the entire thing and had a lot of regret about just the first few days after the runs. What if they had asked for my mods sooner, what if I had realized sooner, what if I hadn’t had a history with a couple of the mods maybe I wouldn’t have jumped straight to them being out to get me. Further past that what if I could have controlled my emotions and not blown the whole thing out of proportion. I can’t live by what if’s though so I was just left with what I had. I debated live streaming or making a video about it, but the drama had basically already passed and I was worried about rekindling the fire when I had already gone through basically a couple months straight of absolutely being shit on by anyone that didn’t think of me favorably, and the mods had gone through weeks of torture Im sure too.
42. 
    
43. I figured it’s out of the way, and it would be a story I would tell in a few years when no one really cared. I told a couple people and just felt like the community had been through enough drama and that it was pointless. I didn’t want to be the center of controversy for the hundredth time.
44. 
    
45. it was shitty and an unfortunate situation where I felt like I couldn’t defend myself anymore in good faith without feeling bad but I also didn’t have any intention of cheating.
46. 
    
47. Since the speedrun controversy there’s been some animosity between me and the mods, and I feel like the relationship only got worse. They declined my donations from the controversy video, got into drama a couple times with me/my community on Twitter since(don’t want to go into specifics), and a month or so ago added me to a chat questioning me about my previous 1.15 runs from around a year ago. They saw a suspicious black box that they thought meant a splice, but it turned out to be a youtube setting on their end that they realized, and they had some other random questions as well. This was resolved fairly maturely I believe and I haven’t talked to them since.
48. 
    
49. Yesterday around MCC the mods made the decision to remove my old runs due to suspicions and the fact that my 1.16 run was invalid, which is something that is done with most people who submit any invalid runs at all. I’m sure there’s reasonable suspicions about most runs, especially offline ones from back when they were allowed, so couple that with a 1.16 run being actually invalid and it’s a completely reasonable assumption. You can’t give someone the benefit of doubt on lag or frame skips or potential cuts or anything unless they’ve earned it, and in this case I haven’t at all. So I don’t want to see any hate towards the mods or any drama involving the fact that they were marked invalid due to my 1.16 run. I think it’s dumb that it’s been done 11 months later, but it’s understandable and if anything, I deserve it, and it puts an end to any potential drama. (at this point what could they do, double ban me? /j)
50. 
    
51. I’m not really sure what Im expecting out of all of this, but I just felt like I had a huge weight on my shoulder and I want to get it off. I think the whole situation was extremely shitty overall for everyone involved and I wish that I could go back and do things differently because it was some of the worst weeks of my life and still impacts me every day. I’m sorry to anyone that I let down or disappointed. I always strive to be the best person that I can be and that whole debacle wasn’t the best that I can be or anywhere near it. I hope this brings some closure to anyone who needed it, and I really want to move forward with positive vibes like I’ve been trying my best to promote as much as I can.
52. 
    
53. When I got into speed running I was doing it every day for months, and you can see the skill improvement even just over a few months of tryharding. It was so much fun and I got a few snarky records that I shouldn’t have got in the first place (my first world record I chopped down trees for 10 minutes, I still find that hilarious how unoptimized the category was). I came in at the right time and met some absolutely incredible people who are some of the best Minecraft players on the planet. I am no where near the best speedrunner and I never have been, I was in the right place at the right time and was able to have a lot of fun because of that.
54. 
    
55. I hope that this gives insight into my mindset a little bit, but if not I’m not sure what will. I’m sure I’ll talk about it more just for clarity sake, but I want to avoid causing more drama. please don’t send any hate to the mod team or anyone involved in the situation, I don’t want any more drama at all, you’re no supporter of mine if you do.

Spoiler: Comments on the pastebin

"This is totally chill and me being quirky in my tub at 4am writing a heartfelt message pardon any fuckups"
I don't buy it, it's just a way to pre-excuse himself if he says something stupid in it while trying to appear relatable in being vulnerable at the same time.


He knew he cheated and knew he had been caught and it was eating away at him. The act itself wasn't eating away at him, but the fact he knew he had been caught...


Classic narcissism, I wonder why they don't like him. Yet they were the ones right in the end and he absolutely sicced his fans on them while pretending he didn't.


"The guy I paid to review my stuff said the speedrun mods' math was off but it was still extremely unlikely. So clearly the math was in my favor this time and I was relieved."
Never mind that this guy was the one who was wrong, he didn't understand Minecraft enough to even run the numbers properly in the time he had. And this "professor" ultimately came to a similar conclusion that the odds were still (literally) astronomically not in Dream's favor but they were in his favor by a few more magnitudes so Dream interprets this as evidence he didn't cheat.
I think Dream skipped all of the math now that he's admitted to being math illiterate and just jumped to the BLUF and since it was more in his favor he read what he wanted to read, not what was actually there.


tl;dr Dream is saying the mods still fucked up even though his guy fucked up too. The takeaway being the mods fucked up.


Why didn't this make it into Dream's video on this very thing? At this point Dream had it from both sides that he probably (almost certainly) cheated, yet he went so far as to make a demeaning video and left out that in personal exchanges his own guy believes he cheated too.
Of course, Dream knows he cheated and knew it from the start, but to me this shows the type of person Dream is. He was in full damage control but also wanted to use his "clout" to get revenge on those who would dare publicly oppose him and embarrass him like this. The video did its job and then he took it down later, knowing full well he cheated.


Trying to paint himself as the good guy even though him posting the findings was a veiled smear against the speedrun mods and he pointed to this as proof he didn't cheat. However, the guy who gave him all this math he doesn't understand has already told Dream it's "improbable that [he] didn't cheat."





"They made me behave that way"
"It's their fault"


After he considered he cheated, he realized he cheated.
So even when he apparently discovered that he cheated, he didn't mention it or apologize to the people he attacked. Great guy.


This would have been avoided had he not conveniently deleted the mods folder when the speedrun mods asked him for it. Not to mention on Windows he could have fished it out of the Recycling Bin very easily.
I don't recall this being mentioned in his response either but if anyone knows which video I'd go through it. I can't imagine it's the one where he misunderstands the "professor"'s data.


Dumb and unlikely but possible. If anything I'd expect a developer to cut down on their own workload by saying "This will work for singleplayer too, just set up a local server." instead of doubling efforts to maintain a client version and server version of a mod.


If you've ever dealt with a narcissist, this should be familiar.
The mods were mostly right (so still wrong) and they handled things poorly. If they were a bit nicer then things may not have been so bad.

Though he acknowledges it a bit here



I think this looks good at face value but I'm pretty sure the invalidation was not due to his 1.16 run, though it was a contributing factor. Otherwise they would have done that months ago.


This is nice and all but he should do this on his main Twitter and probably in his videos if he actually means it, which I doubt.

Overall I think the pastebin is an example of Dream's usual manipulative behavior and helps show how big his head is. He can't just say "Oh shiiiiiiit guys this was a massive misunderstanding. It turns out I did cheat, but on accident!! XD I am SO sorry to everyone, especially the Minecraft speedrun community and mods. Details in this long message below if you care."
He demeans everyone who "wronged" him during the whole fiasco even still then turns around and tries to balance it in the next sentence or vice versa.

Dream cheated. He knew he cheated. Some of his associates almost certainly knew he cheated as they were familiar with the mod.
He then went to great lengths to cover it up and when no one but his ardent fans bought it, he didn't know how to handle it.


edit: Changed color of the quote text to make it easier to follow. I'm artistically retarded so if that color is bad I will fix it.
I also was going to shit on DarkViperAU a bit for going waaaaaay too easy on Dream but decided not to. However I had the video still running in the background and noticed Dream references the 10 minute woodchopping again.
Seems like he's got the talking points ironed out. https://youtu.be/YyEvlmBmjjc?t=8232

Dude i always wanted to do a breakdown like this to prove his narcissistic traits but its a waste of time on well... a narcissist. Props to you man, great breakdown, such a shame that no one will really see this and even if they do, dumbass children on twitter will never understand.

Now all we have to do is wait for someone to bring up everything dream has ever said and find inconsistencies in his story and this pastebin. Also on 1 of Hbomb's "interview" with dream, he said he cheated in all his classes back when he had to take education like a normal human being. He was always a cheater.

Edit: so obviously he cheated, but what was even the point of his play on going against statistics and proof so boldly? I say the mods math were definitely off by a little and dream saw this as a chance to rebut against them. Since the mods got it wrong slightly, the mods must not know anything right? Wrong. This gave him a false sense of security to pursue his defence.
It was when his paper got released to r/statistics that shit went real south for him. I have to say he was extremely stupid to think he can get away with it. He is such a big prominent figure in gaming now, does he really think outside forces wont interfere? Hilarious.

Edit2: Besides, Dream has always been the type to voice his opinion and defence immediately. For example, the first(?) MCC he participated in, he threatened to leave the game due to "unfair treament" in the game polls or something. And shit talk the "cheaters" in the latest MCC despite them being his peers and colleagues. AND he started a stream to defend himself against a video accusing him of scripting manhunt, the video had 20k views and started a 100k viewer stream. Well done clay, insecure much?

Anyway, it took him months to retaliate against the speedrunning mods publicly. That is a huge inconsistency in his behavioural patterns. And then everything went so fast, he released videos defending himself, hiring a fake astrophysicist and tweeted crap. Like his manhunt vids, his defence is also scripted.

 

[justalurkerr]

Mr Fatso- sorry, Clay, if you really do read these threads I hope you can look past your ego and actually use some of the advice people have been posting. Stop licking the ass of mentally ill kids and do shit you actually enjoy, that money of yours is temporary. You can’t manipulate children forever, and it’s gonna bite you in the ass worse than these forums could. The only reason you even got doxxed and we all hate your fat guts is your ego, and trust me- there’s people who are willing to do much worse than an autistic thread like this.

 

[Aidan]

Dude i always wanted to do a breakdown like this to prove his narcissistic traits but its a waste of time on well... a narcissist. Props to you man, great breakdown, such a shame that no one will really see this and even if they do, dumbass children on twitter will never understand.

Now all we have to do is wait for someone to bring up everything dream has ever said and find inconsistencies in his story and this pastebin. Also on 1 of Hbomb's "interview" with dream, he said he cheated in all his classes back when he had to take education like a normal human being. He was always a cheater.

Edit: so obviously he cheated, but what was even the point of his play on going against statistics and proof so boldly? I say the mods math were definitely off by a little and dream saw this as a chance to rebut against them. Since the mods got it wrong slightly, the mods must not know anything right? Wrong. This gave him a false sense of security to pursue his defence.
It was when his paper got released to r/statistics that shit went real south for him. I have to say he was extremely stupid to think he can get away with it. He is such a big prominent figure in gaming now, does he really think outside forces wont interfere? Hilarious.

Edit2: Besides, Dream has always been the type to voice his opinion and defence immediately. For example, the first(?) MCC he participated in, he threatened to leave the game due to "unfair treament" in the game polls or something. And shit talk the "cheaters" in the latest MCC despite them being his peers and colleagues. AND he started a stream to defend himself against a video accusing him of scripting manhunt, the video had 20k views and started a 100k viewer stream. Well done clay, insecure much?

Anyway, it took him months to retaliate against the speedrunning mods publicly. That is a huge inconsistency in his behavioural patterns. And then everything went so fast, he released videos defending himself, hiring a fake astrophysicist and tweeted crap. Like his manhunt vids, his defence is also scripted.

I wasn't going to do any sort of breakdown because it's all likely apparent to people posting in here but then I considered Clayton and his stans lurk this thread so maybe it's worth calling him out on some things.
For Clayton it'd just piss him off as he has no clue how transparent his tactics are since he's used to kids who don't read between the lines or contextualize anything. People like him, in my experience, hate being called out so it'd be fun if he ended up reading it. As you say, he's insecure.

The stans could benefit from anyone calling out Clay for what he is, which is a young adult male who misleads tweens so that they spend money on him. He will never love them or even know their names. The only thing he cares about is their money. So if they get exposed to that in their fervor it can't hurt.


For people who have better things to do and want a QRD in video form, here's an 8 min video on it that explicitly highlights the convenient timing of this.

Spoiler: Archive 360p

 

[Novichops]

I wasn't going to do any sort of breakdown because it's all likely apparent to people posting in here but then I considered Clayton and his stans lurk this thread so maybe it's worth calling him out on some things.
For Clayton it'd just piss him off as he has no clue how transparent his tactics are since he's used to kids who don't read between the lines or contextualize anything. People like him, in my experience, hate being called out so it'd be fun if he ended up reading it. As you say, he's insecure.

The stans could benefit from anyone calling out Clay for what he is, which is a young adult male who misleads tweens so that they spend money on him. He will never love them or even know their names. The only thing he cares about is their money. So if they get exposed to that in their fervor it can't hurt.


For people who have better things to do and want a QRD in video form, here's an 8 min video on it that explicitly highlights the convenient timing of this.

Spoiler: Archive 360p

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Alright, I guess it's opinion time.
I agree with that video a lot, as someone who watches speedrunners frequently. There's no way the cheating was accidental.
Examining the 1.15 run I can see signs of cheating too [I think it was elaborated on already earlier in the thread]. What's sad is most people won't see the video and the stans will keep denying reality like it's a competitive sport.

Spoiler: Message for Dream

Dream, if you really truly lurk here: for the love of God just come clean. Completely. No bullshit or deflecting, just tell the whole story in full with honesty. I understand your memory may be foggy since it was a while ago, but do your best. All this sugarcoating and deflecting really does is confirm people's perceptions that your head is so far up your ass, AKA- you're making it worse for yourself.

 

[Neil]

Considering Dream supposedly knows people at Doxbin it could be possible he knows Pastebin staff as well.

I doubt Dream's personal network reaches into Pastebin, generally with websites like that you can just email anonymously requesting something be taken down and they err on the side of caution. You can claim it's about you and is a lie being used in a harassment campaign, for example.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dream requested it be removed or if his insane fans thought it hurt his image so spammed pastebin about it to get it taken down. I'm sure he expected this, hence using pastebin and being okay with just deleting the tweet and acting like the message is gone forever - having done his part by sharing it initially to begin with.

Yeah, using my google-fu, there's some forum posts lamenting about how apparently easy it is for Pastebins to get deleted as long as someone just asks at https://pastebin.com/contact.

I have zero doubt he might have had a hand in it being taken down.

 

[Gru]

Tweet(Archive)
Apparently wishing everyone an early happy pride month is more important than admitting he cheated, since he can tweet this from his verified account but not his "apology". Something that apparently "lingered in his mind and he couldn’t really think about anything other than it"

Alright, I guess it's opinion time.
I agree with that video a lot, as someone who watches speedrunners frequently. There's no way the cheating was accidental.
Examining the 1.15 run I can see signs of cheating too [I think it was elaborated on already earlier in the thread]. What's sad is most people won't see the video and the stans will keep denying reality like it's a competitive sport.

Spoiler: Message for Dream

Dream, if you really truly lurk here: for the love of God just come clean. Completely. No bullshit or deflecting, just tell the whole story in full with honesty. I understand your memory may be foggy since it was a while ago, but do your best. All this sugarcoating and deflecting really does is confirm people's perceptions that your head is so far up your ass, AKA- you're making it worse for yourself.

The splice in the 1.15 run reminds me of the manhunt boat splice, which really just confirms dream's been using the same methods to cheat for a while, I wouldn't be surprised for example if his "chat mod" was spawning a few more enderman than normal during his 1.15 runs or if there were some more splices in both his manhunts and speedruns.

Yeah, using my google-fu, there's some forum posts lamenting about how apparently easy it is for Pastebins to get deleted as long as someone just asks at https://pastebin.com/contact.

I have zero doubt he might have had a hand in it being taken down.

Either way it's extremely convenient for Dream. Like I've said before, if he was genuine about his apology he would've just done it on a twitlonger or some shit he knew would be able to stay up for longer, the fact he chose a website that has it easy to delete it from just shows how "genuine" it really was.

Edit: so obviously he cheated, but what was even the point of his play on going against statistics and proof so boldly? I say the mods math were definitely off by a little and dream saw this as a chance to rebut against them. Since the mods got it wrong slightly, the mods must not know anything right? Wrong. This gave him a false sense of security to pursue his defence.
It was when his paper got released to r/statistics that shit went real south for him. I have to say he was extremely stupid to think he can get away with it. He is such a big prominent figure in gaming now, does he really think outside forces wont interfere? Hilarious.

This is the biggest thing that proves how "genuine" Clayton's apology is, not only did he spend months hammering on about how "mean and dishonest" the mods supposedly were, his actions don't really represent him trying to prove he didn't cheat to the regular people, he was simply trying to prove it to the stans, but now Dream wants to draw attention away from his 1.15 runs, but also have the bonus of injecting normal people into his fanbase, a total win for Dream, right?

Wrong. He simply didn't account that normal people wouldn't really accept his stupidly written "apology". and instead chimped out on twitter at some random asshole while letting Sapnap defend him from some other guy instead. While that Czech guy was some random asshole, Dream did the worst thing by responding to him in an equally flammatory way, and instead of refuting any of the guys points besides the pastebin, just started hammering on about how "wrong" the guy was since he didn't publicly denounce death threats as much as Dream.

Edit: Dream pulled all of his runs from the speedrun.com leaderboards. Really shows how "genuine" he is.

Speedrun.com(Archive)

 

[Gone Ham]

Tweet(Archive)
Apparently wishing everyone an early happy pride month is more important than admitting he cheated, since he can tweet this from his verified account but not his "apology". Something that apparently "lingered in his mind and he couldn’t really think about anything other than it"

This is a piggy back from Tommy I think, who is trending on tweeter because he tweeted out that earlier than dream. He’s just trying to stay ahead of the curb and leech off of others virtue signaling

 

[Neil]

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Apparently wishing everyone an early happy pride month is more important than admitting he cheated, since he can tweet this from his verified account but not his "apology". Something that apparently "lingered in his mind and he couldn’t really think about anything other than it"

For all the huffing and puffing legbutts are going to do tomorrow when June 1st hits about corporations and brands only supporting gay pride during June and never any time else, this virtue signalling shit keeps proving to be a really easy way to strengthen parasocial ties to people (and brands) like Dream's. It works really well, just look at that 281.6k like count and the doubtless amounts of children going "DREAM SAID GAY RIGHTS".

 

[Sprate Header]

Since we're all leaving notes for Dream, figured I'd give my two cents:

Everyone doesn't hate Markiplier's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate jacksepticeye's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate PewDiePie's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate Mr. Beast's fanbase.

But why does everyone hate Dream's?

Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have people confiding in Tumblr ask blogs about how bad their fandom is.
Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have Kiwi Farms threads filling up with ex-members of their fandom.
Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have multiple examples of their fandom bullying disadvantaged children.
Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have other creators going private on Twitter after their fandom begins mass-flagging their tweets.

But Clayton does?

How about you mull over that one in the bathtub at 4AM, Clayton. Why is it only you?

 

[Novichops]

Mark, Jack, Felix, and Jimmy don't have Kiwi Farms threads filling up with ex-members of their fandom.

TMI/PL maybe, but I am still part of his fandom believe it or not haha. I think a few others are too.

Otherwise, good post, really puts things into perspective.

Spoiler: Adding on as a member of the fandom, a bit spergy, but whatever. I'm tired.

The reason I came here was because it's pretty much the only place where I can freely express my opinion. Even in r/DreamWasTaken2 I still feel restricted to a certain degree. Dream, if members of your own fanbase are coming to what you would probably consider a "hate site" or an "anti site" just so they can say an opinion, maybe it's time to do some evaluating. I wouldn't be here if your fanbase didn't have the environment that it did, yet here I am. You are the only content creator that I have ever felt the need to do this for. Now what does that say about how you treat your fans?

 

[Figger Naggot]

He tries to be obtuse to his fanbase's retarded behavior, while simultaneously defending the worst elements of it. If the crazy part of your fanbase is such a small minority, like so many claim, why do you constantly go out of your way to defend them? It's going to bite him in the ass one day.

Since we're all leaving notes for Dream, figured I'd give my two cents:

Everyone doesn't hate Markiplier's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate jacksepticeye's fanbase.
Everyone doesn't hate PewDiePie's fanbase.

I'm not as familiar with the other two, but if the PewDiePie fanbase of 2013 was still a thing today, there would absolutely be a community watch thread on that fanbase. It was full of screeching 12 year olds that couldn't stop themselves from flooding various parts of the internet with retarded PDP related memes. The only reason there wasn't a thread at the time was because the Farms were much smaller and more focused on classical lolcows like CWC, and afaik, there wasn't an internet famous section yet. The big difference is, as far as I can remember, this behavior wasn't actually encouraged by Felix like Dream does with his "kittens". His fanbase was also more male oriented and focused more on his humor than his (supposed) looks, so that may also make a big difference.

So more advice for Dream, maybe do some research into PDP. I stopped paying attention a long time ago, so I don't know what actually happened. It all of a sudden seemed to mellow out when I started seeing him crop up again a few years ago. Maybe they just grew out of it, but if he could curtail his fanbase's autism, you can too. Not that you're going to bother, of course.