Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Male Idiot]

Hungary update: The goverment will be exclusively buying Chinese vaccine from now on.

Guess not even Putin can rival mighty Xi in Orban's eyes, since they both are obsessed with football.

 

[Bosmadden]

I'll toss in another two cents here; I continually see COVID doomers/Branch Covidians and the like focus on "antibodies" when mentioning/speaking about "immunity". It irritates the fuck out of me. Antibodies are but one aspect of the immune system that don't even do the same thing from one instance to another; sometimes they neutralize a pathogen to one degree or another, sometimes they act more like signals/markers for other parts of the immune system; and quite likely act in other ways we have yet to understand or discover. We have made many observations and inferences of the innate and adaptive immune systems, but greatly lack understanding of how it all fits together.

A great number of people (possibly a majority) exposed to SARS-CoV2 never develop an established infection, or develop an asymptomatic infection. I have not seen definitive studies, or even major interest, into figuring out why that is. From that, it is logical to suggest that, perhaps, some (or more) of the severe illness and death attributed to COVID might have something to do with an over-zealous immune response (as there have consistently been studies suggesting throughout the pandemic). Yet, we rush to vaccines to elicit a poorly understood immune response.

Could not agree more. T-cell resistance is the only thing that matters in regards to immunity against Coronaviruses. Immunizing people with S-protein antibodies will achieve nothing. We will all at some time in the next 5-10 years catch Covid, many of us will catch it multiple times. It's endemic and there's fuck all we can do about it except allow nature to do it's thing.

Hungary update: The goverment will be exclusively buying Chinese vaccine from now on.

Guess not even Putin can rival mighty Xi in Orban's eyes, since they both are obsessed with football.

It's an inactivated vaccine. It will be entirely useless at affording protection but it's also probably completely harmless. I think Orban is showing he doesn't trust the western gene therapies but needs something to throw at his own population of Branch Covidians and to calm the panic. "See we've 'vaccinated' 60% of the population now lets get back to normal'. Pretty fucking smart if you ask me.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Could not agree more. T-cell resistance is the only thing that matters in regards to immunity against Coronaviruses. Immunizing people with S-protein antibodies will achieve nothing. We will all at some time in the next 5-10 years catch Covid, many of us will catch it multiple times. It's endemic and there's fuck all we can do about it except allow nature to do it's thing.

How the fuck do you know? How fucking stupid are people in this thread with all of the sweeping assumptions. Let me guess you helped design the mRNA vaccines.

 

[JustSomeDong]

Gee, a bunch of powerful people who have already lied to us multiple times and have publicly espoused views that support eugenics want me to take an experimental jab. Seems totes trustworthy.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I'll toss in another two cents here; I continually see COVID doomers/Branch Covidians and the like focus on "antibodies" when mentioning/speaking about "immunity". It irritates the fuck out of me. Antibodies are but one aspect of the immune system that don't even do the same thing from one instance to another; sometimes they neutralize a pathogen to one degree or another, sometimes they act more like signals/markers for other parts of the immune system; and quite likely act in other ways we have yet to understand or discover. We have made many observations and inferences of the innate and adaptive immune systems, but greatly lack understanding of how it all fits together.

There are also multiple types of antibodies involved, primarily IgM, IgG and IgA when dealing with viruses, but others to deal with antigens or non-viral/bacteria proteins that have entered the body (IgE)*. Some antibodies are meant to be discarded shortly after infection ends, others are longer lasting - but even then it doesn't matter so long as B-cells remember how to make the right antibodies.

Spoiler: *Snake Antivenom sperging

Most people tend to think that antivenom for venomous snake bites is made from the venom of said snake species/genera which is then reverse-engineered with Science Magic! to work against the original venom. This is not the case.

What it is is actually the "business end" of either horse or sheep antibodies that are then cleaved onto the "recognition" end of human antibodies (so that the other human antibodies wont treat the foreign mammal antibodies as an antigen and attack or neutralize them).

How it works is they collect the venom from the snake, inject an amount great enough to cause an immune response in the donor mammal, then harvest antibodies from the blood of the donor mammal and cleave them onto human antibodies, then it can be used inside a human. However not even this is perfect because people with long-term exposure to horses often have their immune response react to lingering fragments of horse body particles (for lack of a better term), which is why bad reactions to CroFab has come from people with previous exposure to horses, not people with previous exposure to snake venom.

[This being said, IF YOU SUSPECT YOU MAY BE ALLERGIC TO ANTIVENOM AND GET TAGGED BY A VENOMOUS SNAKE, MAKE THE HOSPITAL ADMINISTER IT ANYWAYS AND TREAT THE SYMPTOMS OF THE ALLERGIC REACTION]

Anyways, that's my slightly off-topic sperging on the complexity of antibodies

A great number of people (possibly a majority) exposed to SARS-CoV2 never develop an established infection, or develop an asymptomatic infection. I have not seen definitive studies, or even major interest, into figuring out why that is. From that, it is logical to suggest that, perhaps, some (or more) of the severe illness and death attributed to COVID might have something to do with an over-zealous immune response (as there have consistently been studies suggesting throughout the pandemic). Yet, we rush to vaccines to elicit a poorly understood immune response.

Alternatively, prior exposure to Human Coronaviruses from the genus Betacoronavirus (which SARS-CoV2 is a part of) might have already conferred some level of resistance/"immunity".

Could not agree more. T-cell resistance is the only thing that matters in regards to immunity against Coronaviruses.

I wouldn't say it's the only thing that matters, just that it is the MVP of the immune response to Coronaviridae.

How the fuck do you know? How fucking stupid are people in this thread with all of the sweeping assumptions. Let me guess you helped design the mRNA vaccines.

Its a fucking coronavirus, you fucking dipshit.

 

[Bosmadden]

How the fuck do you know? How fucking stupid are people in this thread with all of the sweeping assumptions. Let me guess you helped design the mRNA vaccines.

Because dumbass we're discussing a Corona virus. Excluding Covid-19 there are 4 endemic Corona viruses that circulate among humans and are responsible for 15-20% of all common colds. You know that tickly cough you get some times? The one with the mild fever and sore throat? That's caused by a Corona virus. They've been studied for decades and we know a lot about how they infect us and how our immune system handles them. We know we develop antibodies to them. We know the effectiveness of the B cell antibodies we develop fade with time, usually over 18-months to 3 years. We know that recurrent infections will show progressively milder symptoms as we develop T-cell immunity in childhood through to adulthood. It's why children get colds all the time and we get them less as we get older. It's also probably why a significant proportion of the population already have T-cell immunity to Covd, despite it being a novel virus.

So how the fuck do I know? That's how the fuck I know.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Hungary update: The goverment will be exclusively buying Chinese vaccine from now on.

Guess not even Putin can rival mighty Xi in Orban's eyes, since they both are obsessed with football.

Funnily enough, China has done much more noticeable things to hurt our way of life compared to Russia, yet you're not going to get a presidential team-long investigation funded by taxpayers about them.

It's an inactivated vaccine. It will be entirely useless at affording protection but it's also probably completely harmless. I think Orban is showing he doesn't trust the western gene therapies but needs something to throw at his own population of Branch Covidians and to calm the panic. "See we've 'vaccinated' 60% of the population now lets get back to normal'. Pretty fucking smart if you ask me.

Not too sure about this. Their Sinopharm vaccine, according to Taiwan, has 73 different side effects.

 

[clusterfuckk]

Sadly, I don't think so. The usual "let's be more like Canada!" crowd believes we should be doing what Ontario/Canada in general is doing since that's saving lives and they love watching the Canadian police brutalize protestors. Everyone else either isn't hearing about it or has always been skeptical of wanting to copy Canada.

A lot of senior citizens are overweight because they have arthritis or respiratory issues that makes it uncomfortable to get a lot of exercise or they just sleep a lot because of medication and can't find the time. Many are also decently well off (and get free social security/pension) so they keep eating. And since senior citizens are the main group who dies, this would skew the stats.

In Ontario, way too many seniors are overweight and inactive and as someone who may or may not work in healthcare, I see this as a twofold problem
Many, many immigrants settle here and expect that because our healthcare and homecare for that matter; is ‘free’ they are entitled to have a psw or nurse do absolutely everything for them. This tends to be more prevelant in the south Asian and Caribbean communities. They basically dump their parent at a hospital after bringing them to the country under a caregiving guise; and then tell the hospital they can’t care for them anymore and disappear.
tldr: The parents are expecting 24/7 slave labor and get fat because they sit in a chair or bed and eat all day:
Second reasoning is as you mentioned; people live longer and have more ailments making it difficult to get any exercise. Food prices are astronomical and most of the non native Canadians don’t have a pension to speak of and live off of very little with no family support. They eat cheap garbage because that’s all they can afford.

 

[Bosmadden]

Sadly, I don't think so. The usual "let's be more like Canada!" crowd believes we should be doing what Ontario/Canada in general is doing since that's saving lives and they love watching the Canadian police brutalize protestors. Everyone else either isn't hearing about it or has always been skeptical of wanting to copy Canada.

A lot of senior citizens are overweight because they have arthritis or respiratory issues that makes it uncomfortable to get a lot of exercise or they just sleep a lot because of medication and can't find the time. Many are also decently well off (and get free social security/pension) so they keep eating. And since senior citizens are the main group who dies, this would skew the stats.

Age by itself is not a high risk factor for Covid mortality. If an elderly person is relatively healthy, and most importantly is not fat, their chances of dying are not much higher than a middle aged person with the same morbidity profile.

But agreed obesity and diabetes are more common in the elderly, which is why the fat boomer apocalypse is upon us.

The CDC and NIH have known this for over a year but do we hear a single government health official coming out and encouraging people to lose weight to protect against the coof?

We could say reduce the use of vegetable oils and refined sugars in packaged foods. But no that would cost corporations money and mean big pharma wouldn't be able to make billions selling statins to mee maws and geezers.

I mean we have to protect the vulnerable.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

How the fuck do you know? How fucking stupid are people in this thread with all of the sweeping assumptions. Let me guess you helped design the mRNA vaccines.

What great insight do you have? Did you design the mRNA vaccine or are you the Chinese scientist who worked on covid19? You seem incredibly confident in your fifth hand speculations.

Even if covid is from a lab, it's unlikely to be anything as exciting as the T virus. We also know this because we have over a year of data on it. It's not intensely deadly. I guess we could have zombies out in ten years, but I seriously doubt it, and since one of the major disease causing elements of the virus are the spike proteins you're infusing yourself with, in that apocalypse world the people who took the vaccine would be zombified too.

We made the vaccine using the major disease causing element of the virus without even a full understanding of what that would lead to. That's why we have all the surprise blood clots and heart issues.

The vaccine actually loads you up with a higher starting dose of spikes than most natural covid cases, it's why people react worse than they do to a natural infection, which amps up slowly. I've personally witnessed people who had covid and took the jab only to become far sicker than covid ever made them. People would like to lie to themselves and say "clearly these people would have died from covid if they shot made them so sick!" But that's obviously a stupid assumption to draw since they already survived covid just fine before. That's just cope.

The best scenario is to avoid covid and avoid the shot. Also, possibly ivermectin which is being heavily suppressed despite lots of promising data showing how it interferes with the spike protein binding.

Then on top of it all, the covid vax doesn't even prevent infection, so you go through all the symptoms of it and you still catch covid and face a crapshoot on whether you'll die or not. Of course, people want their miracle cure and safety net, so they are willing to ignore that effect. Whatever gives you peace of mind, but yeah, you're basically lying to yourselves from the numbers of trials done early in the pandemic. They are all probably more like 60% effective.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Age by itself is not a high risk factor for Covid mortality.

Its certainly a factor though.
A healthy 80y/o has more to worry about from coof than a healthy 40y/o, who still has a bit more to worry about than a healthy 20y/o.
Just like an obese 80y/o smoker has more to worry about than an obese 40y/o smoker, who still has more to worry about than an obsese 20y/o smoker. (though if you are obese at 20 you have infinitely more to worry about than coof)

 

[Meriasek]

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

Not sure if it had been posted here already, but here's a preprint paper claiming to explain the blood clots with the vector vaccines with "soluble spike protein variants".
So far I have heard nothing about the mRNA vaccines potentially releasing spike proteins into the blood stream.

/edit:

Doctor on COVID Vax: "We Screwed-Up. We didn't realize the Spike Protein is a TOXIN" Does this mean everyone vaccinated is manufacturing their own Spike Protein Toxins in their own bodies?

Audio from a radio show has emerged wherein Dr. Byram Bridle reveals the scientists behind the COVID-19

halturnerradioshow.com

Also this, which I can't really judge the credibility of. The source (Hal Turner) does make me very wary, though.
All I know is that I want something really bad to happen that will forever shatter the herd mentality. A Golden Path kinda thing, if you know Dune.

/edit2: https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/672212000_30300AMX00231_I100_1.pdf#page11
Allegedly the japanese study concerning the circulation of spike proteins from mRNA vaccines, but I don't speak weeb.

/edit3: Who's this Byram Bridle? He's called a viral immunologist, but also a veterinarian? Dunno, he has quite a few research papers from his team about cancer vaccines and stuff, so it appears he knows what he's talking about to some degree.

 

[Bosmadden]

Funnily enough, China has done much more noticeable things to hurt our way of life compared to Russia, yet you're not going to get a presidential team-long investigation funded by taxpayers about them.


Not too sure about this. Their Sinopharm vaccine, according to Taiwan, has 73 different side effects.

It's an inactivated vaccine. There have been animal trials in the past using inactivated coronavirus vaccines. Unlike other types of vaccination they didn't make the test subjects unwell or kill them when exposed to wild viral strains. They just didn't do anything. This is why no one else has bothered to develop one, because they just don't work,.

This problem is why the Wuhan Institute of Virology were conducting gain of function research in the first place. As inactivated vaccines are considered a dead end they were attempting to develop viable cultures to develop attenuated vaccines.

Attenuated coronavirus live vaccines can mutate and become pathogenic when administered. To develop an effective vaccine you have to make a subject virus gain function so it's viable in culture and at the same time make it less likely to recombine and become pathogenic. Of course this is inherently dangerous because the every nature of the research means you have to challenge the vaccine to become more functional in infecting human cells.

But anyway I'm pressing X to doubt on the Taiwan claims.

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

Not sure if it had been posted here already, but here's a preprint paper claiming to explain the blood clots with the vector vaccines with "soluble spike protein variants".
So far I have heard nothing about the mRNA vaccines potentially releasing spike proteins into the blood stream.

/edit:

Doctor on COVID Vax: "We Screwed-Up. We didn't realize the Spike Protein is a TOXIN" Does this mean everyone vaccinated is manufacturing their own Spike Protein Toxins in their own bodies?

Audio from a radio show has emerged wherein Dr. Byram Bridle reveals the scientists behind the COVID-19

halturnerradioshow.com

Also this, which I can't really judge the credibility of. The source (Hal Turner) does make me very wary, though.
All I know is that I want something really bad to happen that will forever shatter the herd mentality. A Golden Path kinda thing, if you know Dune.

/edit2: https://www.pmda.go.jp/drugs/2021/P20210212001/672212000_30300AMX00231_I100_1.pdf#page11
Allegedly the japanese study concerning the circulation of spike proteins from mRNA vaccines, but I don't speak weeb.

/edit3: Who's this Byram Bridle? He's called a viral immunologist, but also a veterinarian? Dunno, he has quite a few research papers from his team about cancer vaccines and stuff, so it appears he knows what he's talking about to some degree

Research papers were being published as far back as July 2020 demonstrating that the S-protein is by itself pathogenic.

The second link is correct in this regard but is otherwise scaremongering. The vaccines are finite, once they're used up in your body they're done. So yes your body will produce spike protein when you get the jab, that's the whole point, but the question is whether or not the protein is being wholly contained in the muscle cells in the injection site, is it being excreted by the cells in some way, and is it finding it's way to other parts of your body?

I'd say the jury is still out on this but it's likely the vaccines effects are not entirely understood and the clotting issues, including hemorrhagic and embolitic stroke in susceptible individuals strongly suggests that at least some S-protein is extra- cellular and that it's causing micro clotting.

 

[Meriasek]

Research papers were being published as far back as July 2020 demonstrating that the S-protein is by itself pathogenic.

The second link is correct in this regard but is otherwise scaremongering. The vaccines are finite, once they're used up in your body they're done. So yes your body will produce spike protein when you get the jab, that's the whole point, but the question is whether or not the protein is being wholly contained in the muscle cells in the injection site, is it being excreted by the cells in some way, and is it finding it's way to other parts of your body?

I'd say the jury is still out on this but it's likely the vaccines effects are not entirely understood and the clotting issues, including hemorrhagic and embolitic stroke in susceptible individuals strongly suggests that at least some S-protein is extra- cellular and that it's causing micro clotting.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Another study showed that spike proteins were detected in the blood after vaccination, but the levels dropped down quickly as part of the process.

 

[Ndnd]

/edit3: Who's this Byram Bridle? He's called a viral immunologist, but also a veterinarian? Dunno, he has quite a few research papers from his team about cancer vaccines and stuff, so it appears he knows what he's talking about to some degree.

Dr. Bridle is an associate professor at the University of Guelph’s veterinary college (it’s supposed to be one of the best veterinary programs in North America, if not the world) but he also does publicly funded research pertaining to the possible use of vaccines for cancer treatments.

I’m quite curious about an upcoming peer reviewed paper he collaborated on about the potential dangers of the spike protein in the vaccines. Here’s a clip from an interview he did last week with a local radio station:

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Dr. Bridle is an associate professor at the University of Guelph’s veterinary college (it’s supposed to be one of the best veterinary programs in North America, if not the world) but he also does publicly funded research pertaining to the possible use of vaccines for cancer treatments.

I’m quite curious about an upcoming peer reviewed paper he collaborated on about the potential dangers of the spike protein in the vaccines. Here’s a clip from an interview he did last week with a local radio station:

InB4 Dr. Bridle becomes just another "grifter", like Dr. Ioannidis, Dr. Bosche and Dr. Okheuse.
You know, respected scientists in their fields until 2020/2021 where they suddenly became untrustworthy grifters overnight.

 

[Meat Target]

So now, the State Department has been in on the cover-up...

And, natch, the NPCs are trying to blame Pompeo for what the bureaucrats did.

Edit: another day, another statement of sheer fecklessness and arrogance

 

[talk sh1t]

A long time ago I saw mentioned that one (or several, or maybe all) of the companies producing (one of) the vaccine(s) released them to the public with the agreement that they would not be held liable for any collateral effects of the vaccine. Basically protecting themselves if the vaccine(s) turn out to screw up people's immune systems in the long run.

Is this still the status?

 

[Ndnd]

InB4 Dr. Bridle becomes just another "grifter", like Dr. Ioannidis, Dr. Bosche and Dr. Okheuse.
You know, respected scientists in their fields until 2020/2021 where they suddenly became untrustworthy grifters overnight.

Yeah sadly some Branch Covidiots have already registered his name as a domain and set up a website with various “factoids” to try to discredit his work.

Some say he has a personal interest in seeing the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines fail because he’s working on his own COVID vaccine, but as far as I know, most of his work has been publicly funded. He’s probably being targeted because he’s not a shill for big pharma.