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Humanity 10 is supposed to be hard to get to for a reason. Even most humans can't reach that level, and any vamp who does is a literal saint. Its also one of the requirements for being cured of vampirism.
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Humanity 10 is supposed to be hard to get to for a reason. Even most humans can't reach that level, and any vamp who does is a literal saint. Its also one of the requirements for being cured of vampirism.
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As @Adamska said, most neonates start around 7. It depends on who they were in life, of course. A handsome and pious clergyman tricked, seduced and embraced by a Toreador would start higher, while a ruthless thug who's served time for multiple murders embraced by a Brujah would start way lower. In game terms, initial Humanity is defined by your Conscience + Self Control, while initial Willpower is defined by your Courage. You start with 7 points to distribute between Conscience, Self Control and Courage, and you can spend bonus points to increase them during chargen.
Anyway, a lot of mortals wouldn't have Humanity 7 to begin with, but 7 is picked as the average simply because most people think stealing is wrong but don't get too hung up on injuring other people (a good apology is enough). Once Embraced, vamps tend to go through a power trip period while they're experimenting with their new condition and realizing how much more powerful they are than your average mortal. Even a freshly-risen neonate can tank a stab to the gut that would kill a normal person, for example. That power trip often results in their humanity taking a couple of dings, which may or may not be recovered later as the vampire's psyche stabilizes and a lot of them sort of renounce their "youthful foolishness". So yes, most vampires of reasonable age would be between Humanity 4 and 6. At Humanity 3 the vampire starts getting a bit too uncanny for most people. The ones that hold on to 7 or higher after a century tend to be exceedingly principled people. And often very shrewd in order to avoid being manipulated by others.
Humanity 10 is absurdly rare. On the other hand, if you look at the table you'll see that feeding doesn't cause any issues, only feeding too much or killing people while feeding. So, if you somehow managed to retain a "normal", mortal-like life after becoming a vampire and didn't get into a lot of trouble, you could probably stick to Humanity 7 simply by doing the old standard of going to a nightclub once or twice a week and seducing someone for 3-4 points of vitae a pop and suffer no moral quandaries. Or you could use that wonderful Background, Herd, and have yourself a small group of blood dolls that willingly give you blood on the regular.
One of the coolest NPCs I saw in the chronicles I played was a nun on the path to Golconda. She was old as balls (and accordingly powerful), and was the one responsble for building the convent she used as her haven, a few centuries back. The ST didn't reveal what her Humanity was, but it was probably 9 or even 10. Her Herd were the sisters in that convent, who opened their veins into a stone basin for the vampire to drink so they could avoid the "vice" that was the pleasure provided by the Kiss. (We had to retrieve an item in that convent without the vampire noticing it, it was fun couple of sessions distracting the nuns and sneaking about.)
Anyway, it is possible to retain high Humanity as a vampire, but it requires you to be both extremely virtuous... and an outcast in vampiric society. Seriously. Don't talk to other vamps. Find yourself a nice secluded place with understanding mortals. Playing the political game at all is guaranteed to drop you back down to at most Humanity 7 in very short order.
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Please tell me that’s an actual WW shitposting.
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God, I wish. Unfortunately that would be too on the nose for Current Year, especially tabletop games. I will be delighted to be proven wrong though, should that be the case.
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Fair dues, though, Sabbat clans weren't originally playable in the first edition. They are the intended antagonists of the game. You are supposed to either be Cam or Anarch. But people started making their own homebrews and when 2nd rolled around the Sabbat became actual playable characters with more depth.
My issues with the Sabbat stem from the retards who play them as the edgiest mothetfuckers who are chaotic stupid. If you're gonna play the Sabbat make them interesting and nuanced monsters who act on the opposite end of the Cams not just because they're hand rubbing evil but because they believe they have the TRUTH of being kindred and the conviction to do what the blind and ignorant Camarilla won't do. They embrace the condition in its totality.
But rarely do I find Sabbat players who actually DO this and instead find 'hurr durr I'm gonna murder hobo and play rat race all day long' forgetting why Sabbat have their games to begin with. The Sabbat are only as interesting as the people who run them, honestly. But then, I guess that can be said for every faction.
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Like clockwork, every tumblrista and genderspeshul is crawling out of the woodwork to ejaculate in public about their self-insert 500-year-old Toreador Ace Enby Poly-Demi Sexual.
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The state of these fucking Swedes.
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Fucking hell these Swedes just can't stop.
....the fuck. I am about to have a coniption fit. Vampires don't give a shit about sexuality. Literally have zero libido as per the WORD OF GOD who goddamn wrote the game!
YOU'RE DEAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDD. YOU LITERALLY CANNOT GET HARD OR WET UNLESS YOU PHYSICALLY BLUSH AND EVEN THEN THE KISS IS MORE PLEASURABLE THAN SEX. VAMPIRES ARE MOCK HUMANITY. SHADES OF PERSONS WHO DON'T HAVE THE DESIRES OF HUMANS BECAUSE:
THEY’RE FUCKING DEEEEEEEAAAADDDDD
Give me my MATI. I'm fucking done. That Lasombra rainbow one. Dear christ. And whatever the fuck flag is on the Cam symbol. Fuck. Off.
I hate this month.
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Apparently lesbians have their own flag now.
Don't you want to be a cute and heckin' valid lesbian Assamite?
Might as well dump more of this cringe from Twitter:
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In the two sabbat games I've gotten to play in over the years, I made it a point to play the pack priest and come up with various ignobilis ritae for the group to participate in. Lots of fun. Wish I still had my notes, but lost them a long time ago.
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It gets worse, way worse when you look at it in context.
Vampires use their sexuality as a lure to get food. They are, in the most 100% literal sense of the term, sexual predators. They eat that which they seduce. The prey usually lives, but it's still a very well-defined predatory relationship. A vampire flying a pride flag isn't so much being a paragon of LGBT representation as they're broadcasting to every other vampire which line they like taking at the buffet.
The punchline, though? Vampires not only don't have sex drives,vampires can't love, either. It's one of the stated problems of the vampiric curse, and it's the big reason why embracing your mortal lover is agreed by everybody except some Toreador as a really fucking stupid idea. The dynamics of relationships among vampires are always screwed since they're two territorial beasts sharing a space, and even if there was love starting out as the decades and then centuries roll by it withers away and crumbles into dust, giving way to boredom and resentment. Everybody thinks vampire couples are all Gomez and Morticia Addams, head over hells for one another for eternity. They might start like that but as time goes on, if they don't split up or kill/diablerize one another, they invariably devolve into an old bickering Catholic couple.
Gay vampires are fucking dumb. Vamps transcend concerns of gender and sexual orientation. There's no sex, there's no love, there's only hunger when they look at mortals.
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That fucking furry Gangrel. This is why v20 got rid of the 'the animal parts are not permanent' part of their flaw. Because of shit like this pretty sure.
And 'embraced by Theo Bell snowflake lesbian'. O lawd. Don't get me started.
And agreed. One of the better aspects of trying to play vampires is coming to grips with how utterly selfish and self centred being a vampire is ultimately. You don't give a shit about anyone the longer you go on. Your emotions are muted and distorted. Which makes the step into unfeeling monster such an interesting RP prospect.
If you want to play out happy fun vampire lovers go somewhere else. Because that's not the game. If you wanna play tragic doomed (and hopefully politically explosive love) then I'm all for it but UwU vampireloving is shit.
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Well, I got it from one of the WoD Discords. However, it's unsurprisingly gone.
Interesting. Had a comb-through the Twitter feed. Interesting all the Lasombra and Tzimisce that are all now Camarilla and have high positions. And how they totally don't exhibit that predatory, alien mindset that I was told was the hallmark of the Sabbat clans. Also all those anarch Tremere.
Certainly surprised that there aren't any Setites that are totally "we corrupt everyone but the LGBT+ because they're too pure to mess with!".
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Y'know, an LGBT+ activist/male feminist sounds like a perfect fit for a Setite.
Advocate for the marginalized, push them further into extremes to better isolate them from their peers/mainstream society, use cancel culture to maintain control over the herd, and finally use your clout to bully them into being your willing prey.
It's almost too perfect.
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It's why they won't do it.
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To play devils advocate, white wolfs support for LGBT is more legitimate than say Disney or EA. White wolf have a long history of support such groups as far back as the 90's when it certainly wasnt economically as 'safe' as it is now and both VTM and Horror have a long history of queer subtexts to work from Carmilla to interview with a vampire.
Don't get me wrong those T-shirts and PC's are fucking cringe but it should be said it's the execution which is dogshit with white wolf not the intent.
Also having played A Gay woke Vampire for 2 years I'm 100% they're doing it wrong. The first thing any enemy with half a brain is going to do is fuck with the groups they presume they can protect with their pissant tier powers and influence since they've made the mistake of being emotionally invested in their power base. Have fun dealing with endless police harrasement of your herd forever, especially considering your naive approach to politics means you'll never clock it was a Blue blood giving the marching orders. and that's before I deliberatly push Zakiya's brujah ass into a big fucking frenzy around all her gay pals.
Don't get me wrong those T-shirts and PC's are fucking cringe but it should be said it's the execution which is dogshit with white wolf not the intent.
Also having played A Gay woke Vampire for 2 years I'm 100% they're doing it wrong. The first thing any enemy with half a brain is going to do is fuck with the groups they presume they can protect with their pissant tier powers and influence since they've made the mistake of being emotionally invested in their power base. Have fun dealing with endless police harrasement of your herd forever, especially considering your naive approach to politics means you'll never clock it was a Blue blood giving the marching orders. and that's before I deliberatly push Zakiya's brujah ass into a big fucking frenzy around all her gay pals.
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There is something unintentional with WhiteWolf promoting and highlighting in the new Vampire books the number of LGBT Vampires. There is a reason for Vampires to sire people who are LGBT; they have and still are outsiders to mainstream society. Not enough ties to mortal society to violate the Masquerade once they first become a Vampire. Certain abilities will allow them to realize their sexual or gender identity which could make the childe loyal to their benefactor. These vampires can establish a herd of fellow outcasts, simultaneously protecting them and feeding on them. It is also a shield for these vampires to claim that they are still human, to keep the beast in check.
And in Modern Nights, the growing acceptance of LGBT people means that these vampires associated with LGBT organizations can use them to secure their territory, attack rivals and the institutions they control.
The irony is that WW has created a system of abuse, where vampires prey on minorities to further their own ambitions.
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One of the nastyest tactics in game Sabbat used when I played to fleshgraft trans people into their ideal selves to completly dissaciate them from humanity where they'd been trapped in the wrong body.