Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

[DykesDykesChina]

While we wait for Flynt's next lol-mooing, how about we listen to some fine feminist music:

It's too early for Halloween.

Spoiler

 

[Sarcastic Username]

Geth isn't even on Twitter anymore and still manages to make lolcows salty:

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MOMMY MOMMY MAKE THEM STOP LOOKING AT ME!

 

[Cynical]

This panel is now closed to discussion too:

http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/54068

Read the comments, not just Geth's. Chu and his brigade of trolls got owned so hard no wonder they stopped receiving commentary.

Just checked Twitter's stock rating again. It dropped two points in two days and is still dropping.

All the analysts are basically saying everything Twitter is doing to retain users isn't working, and all the morons advocating the blocklists are stepping up the heat and getting more and more people banned from Twitter.

Wu's hugbox is being killed by it's biggest fans, more or less.

And the last panel is now closed to discussion.

http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/53947

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Why do AntiGGers treat Geth like shit? He is exactly the type of person that I would want on my side.

I bet they all chose to kill the geth on ME3

Because he's polite as hell when he disagrees and counters their points. They find the fact he appears calm even more infuriating. It's also the heart of why they find "sea lioning" offensive (which isn't a fallacy in itself). The comic that brought about the term only becomes ridiculous because the sea lion is showing up all day in the person's daily life and home. Of course the analogy fails because twitter isn't anyone's home and if you're making bold statements in public you should probably make the time to fucking back them up. Especially when they're things like "I hate (insert group here)".

 

[zedkissed60]

16 days ago...


Printer must be out of ink.

 

[Jaimas]

This panel is now closed to discussion too:

http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/vote/54068

Read the comments, not just Geth's. Chu and his brigade of trolls got owned so hard no wonder they stopped receiving commentary.

This actually perfectly encapsulates a major problem the Antis have, not one or two, but in fact, all of them, and I first noticed it during Wu and subsequently Chu's interview with Pakman:

You can see this especially well in Chu's interview, but a lot of the Antis have a rather disturbing inherent belief that any opinion contrary to their own should not have any right to any platform, least of all a public one, ignoring the fact that they are the ones choosing to use public platforms to voice their own victimhood. This is not only a very disturbing thing to see in action, but it literally colors the entirety of their opposition to Gamergate, from the GJP advocacy of censoring platforms to their encouragement of using openly corrupt practices on every site that allows them to (Reddit for instance). The message this sends is at once extremely simply and crystal clear: We have rights, you don't, so shut up and let us demonize you, asshole.

Long and short: That's exactly why they tone police as hard as they do - they know full well that their shit can't survive any legitimate criticism. Take a look, for example, at Wu's own harassment narrative, and it begins to fall apart if you give it really any scrutiny whatsoever. There's literally almost no legitimate issues within her entire "I'm the biggest victim" campaign platform:

* Chatterwhiteman was an SA Hoax. They admitted to their involvement.
* Jace and Tyce were a Hoax. They admitted to their involvement.
* The PAX East Incident was a Hoax. It was proved to have never been credible by the police.
* The Operation FalseFag II Posts were provably from the Brianna Wu Camp.
* Brianna Wu provably never left her home, and indeed, conducted the David Pakman Show interview from her home.
* The Crash Incident was provably involved with the Brianna Wu Camp (Tweets captured less than a second after posting? Really?)

Every single one of these is completely and utterly indefensible by anyone with a functioning sense of causality. Yet they've been pushed hard by the Antis, not through any particular credibility any of these stories have, but because opposition to these narratives is zealously quashed. What's that? You have a logical, well-reasoned takedown of all of the above? Good luck getting that into the mainstream press, asshole, we have enough power to stifle discussion everywhere we can. Just a reminder, all of this has been known a goddamned long time, and it wasn't until lolcow wiki that all of this shit on Wu got aired in one single place that she could do fuck all about it. That's how strong Wu's platform control's been until now.

But it's actually, if you can believe it, worse than that. They hate the public. They genuinely feel the bulk of them are beneath contempt. Take a good look at Anita's preening egotism even as your average Bro Team Pill review has more insight and care put into it. Take a look at Lifschitz' belief that anyone who bought GTAV should have physical harm leveraged on them. In their world, the proletariat is a group of sheep to be fleeced and then spoken for because they aren't smart enough to speak of themselves.

Problem is, people don't like being talked down to like they're collectively five years old. So, naturally, they rebel. They comment. They disagree with the narrative. They prod holes in the narrative. If you're in Social Justice, the common man is your enemy, especially if he's well-informed. This is one reason these people are often so fucking disgusting to talk to. They not only are completely convinced of how right they are, but that your average internet user is too stupid to realize it.

But don't take my word for it. Let's hear it from Arthur Chu in the comment thread @Cynical was nice enough to post:

I reviewed the book because Harper's review was removed after a vote brigade. I fail to see how a review that states up front that I am negatively reviewing the book because of the author's behavior -- presenting himself as a feminist ally while calling women "floozies," putting his own byline on a book of women's stories and funneling the profits to his own institution, and leading attacks on feminist women like Shanley Kane -- is "fraudulent."

Amazon does not and never has required that someone have purchased a product in order to leave a review on it -- the word "fraudulent" here is a buzzword used only to attack.

In this particular comment, Chu not only defends Harper's chasing a known, respected feminist who had done many great things and her personal campaign of terror against a feminist ally, solely because of Harper's say-so, but does so whilst simultaneously arguing that her review (intended to damage the book's reputation) and indeed, his review (same) are fine when used to attack something they don't like, but that attacking their biased reviews for being biased is somehow wrong.

You'll notice that Chu got fucking eviscerated here in the comments. At this point people realize that Chu is personally involved with the panelists, and things quickly snowball before Chu's allies close the thread entirely, for the Empress has no clothes nor common sense. They are, in a word, sociopaths. But then, if you've followed this thread and the Gamergate thread, you knew that already:

All of this brings me back to the crux of this discussion topic, which is how these people interact with the public.

Simple fact is, if they can help it, they don't. But they need a mouthpiece. They need some way to get their bullshit to the wider internet. So they'll tweet, they'll comment, they'll make videos. But they'll disable ratings, comments, and cut off every avenue for criticism they might otherwise face for their bullshit. And all of them fucking do this. It's why Geth's tactic is so effective and why they hate so-called Sea Lioning so much.

It's something they can't fucking defeat, so it must be marginalized and cut off using any method, no matter how disgustingly transparent.

 

[vertexwindi]

They find the fact he appears calm even more infuriating.

It's like customer support.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This actually perfectly encapsulates a major problem the Antis have, not one or two, but in fact, all of them, and I first noticed it during Wu and subsequently Chu's interview with Pakman:

You can see this especially well in Chu's interview, but a lot of the Antis have a rather disturbing inherent belief that any opinion contrary to their own should not have any right to any platform, least of all a public one, ignoring the fact that they are the ones choosing to use public platforms to voice their own victimhood. This is not only a very disturbing thing to see in action, but it literally colors the entirety of their opposition to Gamergate, from the GJP advocacy of censoring platforms to their encouragement of using openly corrupt practices on every site that allows them to (Reddit for instance). The message this sends is at once extremely simply and crystal clear: We have rights, you don't, so shut up and let us demonize you, asshole.

Long and short: That's exactly why they tone police as hard as they do - they know full well that their shit can't survive any legitimate criticism. Take a look, for example, at Wu's own harassment narrative, and it begins to fall apart if you give it really any scrutiny whatsoever. There's literally almost no legitimate issues within her entire "I'm the biggest victim" campaign platform:

* Chatterwhiteman was an SA Hoax. They admitted to their involvement.
* Jace and Tyce were a Hoax. They admitted to their involvement.
* The PAX East Incident was a Hoax. It was proved to have never been credible by the police.
* The Operation FalseFag II Posts were provably from the Brianna Wu Camp.
* Brianna Wu provably never left her home, and indeed, conducted the David Pakman Show interview from her home.
* The Crash Incident was provably involved with the Brianna Wu Camp (Tweets captured less than a second after posting? Really?)

Every single one of these is completely and utterly indefensible by anyone with a functioning sense of causality. Yet they've been pushed hard by the Antis, not through any particular credibility any of these stories have, but because opposition to these narratives is zealously quashed. What's that? You have a logical, well-reasoned takedown of all of the above? Good luck getting that into the mainstream press, asshole, we have enough power to stifle discussion everywhere we can. Just a reminder, all of this has been known a goddamned long time, and it wasn't until lolcow wiki that all of this shit on Wu got aired in one single place that she could do fuck all about it. That's how strong Wu's platform control's been until now.

But it's actually, if you can believe it, worse than that. They hate the public. They genuinely feel the bulk of them are beneath contempt. Take a good look at Anita's preening egotism even as your average Bro Team Pill review has more insight and care put into it. Take a look at Lifschitz' belief that anyone who bought GTAV should have physical harm leveraged on them. In their world, the proletariat is a group of sheep to be fleeced and then spoken for because they aren't smart enough to speak of themselves.

Problem is, people don't like being talked down to like they're collectively five years old. So, naturally, they rebel. They comment. They disagree with the narrative. They prod holes in the narrative. If you're in Social Justice, the common man is your enemy, especially if he's well-informed. This is one reason these people are often so fucking disgusting to talk to. They not only are completely convinced of how right they are, but that your average internet user is too stupid to realize it.

But don't take my word for it. Let's hear it from Arthur Chu in the comment thread @Cynical was nice enough to post:



In this particular comment, Chu not only defends Harper's chasing a known, respected feminist who had done many great things and her personal campaign of terror against a feminist ally, solely because of Harper's say-so, but does so whilst simultaneously arguing that her review (intended to damage the book's reputation) and indeed, his review (same) are fine when used to attack something they don't like, but that attacking their biased reviews for being biased is somehow wrong.

You'll notice that Chu got fucking eviscerated here in the comments. At this point people realize that Chu is personally involved with the panelists, and things quickly snowball before Chu's allies close the thread entirely, for the Empress has no clothes nor common sense. They are, in a word, sociopaths. But then, if you've followed this thread and the Gamergate thread, you knew that already:

All of this brings me back to the crux of this discussion topic, which is how these people interact with the public.

Simple fact is, if they can help it, they don't. But they need a mouthpiece. They need some way to get their bullshit to the wider internet. So they'll tweet, they'll comment, they'll make videos. But they'll disable ratings, comments, and cut off every avenue for criticism they might otherwise face for their bullshit. And all of them fucking do this. It's why Geth's tactic is so effective and why they hate so-called Sea Lioning so much.

It's something they can't fucking defeat, so it must be marginalized and cut off using any method, no matter how disgustingly transparent.

In short:

Listen and Believe.

 

[Smutley]

So some website I've never heard of has jumped in with the "Evil Internet Cyberbowlies" trend for the sweet clicks, and included a brief section on Brianna Wu [archive] that is absolutely hilarious for being even more wrong than normal.

• She was targetted by 4chan
• The same tired "she fled her home" lie
• being called a "Social Justice Warrior" is worse than being sent rape and death threats
• Wu claims people actually mailed her "suspicious packages" which made her leave her home
• Wu was target for "speaking out" instead of bulldozing her way into the discussion
• All knocks on her door make her fear for her life
• The writers confuse Kiwis for 4channers. Might as well just call it Redchannit
• Wu believes she is harassed for "being a woman"
• The article compares her to both Anita and Zoe despite them trying to ignore her away

Who wants to bet that the author Nelufar Hedayat is tied to her in some way?

If you're in Social Justice, the common man is your enemy, especially if he's well-informed.

So what you're saying is Joe the Plumber was right all along.

 

[Cynical]

Remember how Geth sent Maddy Myers a nice email complimenting her game and giving her his best wishes on her success, publishing the full text of the email?

He just wrote a post about his interactions with Arthur Chu that does something similar:

http://gethn7.blogspot.com/2015/08/a-few-comments-id-like-to-leave-arthur.html

Short version goes like this:

1. Geth politely tells Arthur that despite Arthur's demands he cease reading Arthur's public feed, he refuses to since it's public access, much like Geth's blog, unless Arthur wants to protect his Twitter feed.

2. He calls out a commenter on one of those discussion posts for lying about why he was banned from Twitter, informing everyone Twitter has not informed him of the reason for his suspension and directing them to read his blog post on his thoughts for why he was suspended (the one where he leaves Brianna Wu a very nice apology for any possible offense he may have committed).

3. DEFENDED Arthur Chu, saying no one had any right to say Chu incited bomb threats without legal proof, even promising to write Arthur a personal email informing him of the post so he could comment on it if he desired to. (email is reproduced on the blog)

 

[Rin]

So some website I've never heard of has jumped in with the "Evil Internet Cyberbowlies" trend for the sweet clicks, and included a brief section on Brianna Wu [archive] that is absolutely hilarious for being even more wrong than normal.

• She was targetted by 4chan
• The same tired "she fled her home" lie
• being called a "Social Justice Warrior" is worse than being sent rape and death threats
• Wu claims people actually mailed her "suspicious packages" which made her leave her home
• Wu was target for "speaking out" instead of bulldozing her way into the discussion
• All knocks on her door make her fear for her life
• The writers confuse Kiwis for 4channers. Might as well just call it Redchannit
• Wu believes she is harassed for "being a woman"
• The article compares her to both Anita and Zoe despite them trying to ignore her away

Who wants to bet that the author Nelufar Hedayat is tied to her in some way?

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So what you're saying is Joe the Plumber was right all along.

If you actually read the rest of the article, they raise some pretty good points about online harassment in general not being just a female issue, and Wu ends up looking kind of dumb for insisting that it's because she's a woman. My guess is that they just picked her because she's willing to tell her life story to anyone who asks. She's desperate for attention, and she'll take it from anyone who offers it.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

Jenn Frank and Mattie Brice ended up leaving their professions because of similar attacks.

Wait, wasn't Jenn Frank back writing about video games less than a month after she said she was done forever?

Still, that article did make a few good points that online harassment isn't just a women's issue. I really wish that all the stuff with Chris-Chan had managed to get some mainstream media attention, it's probably the worst example of online harassment I've seen.

 

[zedkissed60]

"When she’s not developing software, she enjoys racing motorcycles and running marathons."

Strange. John has never shared a photo of himself even riding a motorcycle, let alone racing one.

It's almost like he's... what's the word?... lying.

 

[Bridge to Nowhere]

She's still freaking out about her dox being released, and people are still reporting on it as though it's a new thing? Hasn't it been about a year or so since that happened?

 

[zedkissed60]

She's still freaking out about her dox being released, and people are still reporting on it as though it's a new thing?

WHOIS is a terrorist protocol.

 

[CWCissey]

Strange. John has never shared a photo of himself even riding a motorcycle, let alone racing one.

It's almost like he's... what's the word?... lying.

That's where you're wrong!

Spoiler: John Flynt on a variety of motorbikes

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

Strange. John has never shared a photo of himself even riding a motorcycle, let alone racing one.

It's almost like he's... what's the word?... lying.

Come on, it's not like a transsexual lolcow would ever be obsessed with bikes without even being able to ride one.

 

[Optimus Prime]

"

So some website I've never heard of has jumped in with the "Evil Internet Cyberbowlies" trend for the sweet clicks, and included a brief section on Brianna Wu [archive] that is absolutely hilarious for being even more wrong than normal.

• She was targetted by 4chan
• The same tired "she fled her home" lie
• being called a "Social Justice Warrior" is worse than being sent rape and death threats
• Wu claims people actually mailed her "suspicious packages" which made her leave her home
• Wu was target for "speaking out" instead of bulldozing her way into the discussion
• All knocks on her door make her fear for her life
• The writers confuse Kiwis for 4channers. Might as well just call it Redchannit
• Wu believes she is harassed for "being a woman"
• The article compares her to both Anita and Zoe despite them trying to ignore her away

Who wants to bet that the author Nelufar Hedayat is tied to her in some way?

"Wu says that at the last count, there were more than 400 pages dedicated to exposing her as a “free speech hater” and “militant feminist.”

Gee, I wonder where those 400 pages are...

Regardless, the article actually seems to be against Wu, if anything. I'll cut the guy who wrote the article a little slack for wrong information - the site itself seems to be more about fashion than covering women's rights for what little I can find on it - and the line immediately after they're done with Wu is fuckin' priceless.

THE MALE VICTIMS

Cyberbullying is regularly deemed a female-centric concern, however more men are the targets of physical and death threats than women—and this statistic is all-too-often overlooked. To negate (as some feminist critics, bloggers and thinkers have done) the fact that men receive a higher sum of the total abuse online is tantamount to not seeing the true problem.

Knocky knock knock, Johnny boy.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

I've always thought this mentality hilarious. On both sides. I've never understood the rationality of trying to say that an entire movement is worthy of nothing but death and that anyone who agrees with said movement are worthy of the same treatment. Like, OK, there is some vague justification for such a visceral statement against certain movements like hardcore fundamental religious groups, race supremacy groups, or pro-slavery groups who willingly support and advocate causes that are centered around the persecution or even death of other people or are solely concerned with dictating the actions and thoughts of people within the movement, but that's because their message is so hardline and extreme and genuinely hurts other people.

I mean, back up for a second. What exactly does GamerGate actually fight for?

Ethics in Journalism

... OK, that's really about it. Now, if you wanted to include some of the more inane rants, I guess you could extend it to:

Ethics in Journalism
The Need to Not Cater to Feminist Viewpoints

So, to break it down, the Anti-GamerGate movement is willing to send death threats to people... who just want there to be more Call of Duty titles or more boobs. Like, consider for a second what the worst possible scenario is if Anti-GamerGate loses on all fronts. Uhhhh... video games sexualize women? Yes, that's exactly something that's worth a death threat. When I consider causes that are so horrible the people who willingly support them with a straight face should legitimately die, this is exactly something I want to plaster my face on.

The brainwashing of children into cult-like behavior and the paranoia of outsiders.
The advocacy of genocide and the subjugation of other races for the benefit of others.
The implication that values such as slavery were in the right place and should be brought back.
The sexualization of women in a medium that I probably don't even indulge in.

Now, like, it's equally retarded when the Pro-GamerGate movement goes out and actually does do legitimate death threats (because there's fucking retards everywhere in the trainwreck that was GamerGate), but in general the whole idea of GamerGate... doesn't deserve this type of zealotry. And yet there's people like Wu championing this as some sort of pro cause to women in the industry, women in video games, and... well... what? Where does Wu actually get this idea that whatever she's doing is somehow bringing some new age to feminism or women or whatever bullcrap. There is:

A woman that produces a mildly successful video game.

And...

Women equal men in the industry and in video games and all of that horsecrap.

And there's no connection between the two at all.

I mean, of course the answer is that Wu doesn't think about this at all and she's really only in it because she's tied herself to the whole SJW Anti-Feminist cause so so long as it has steam, she has coverage. Should all of this ever come crashing down, she would likely jump ship and desperately cling to whatever other movement is popular to keep face. I guarantee 100% that if the next big movement was about remorseful trannies that regretted changing and missed their true birth gender, we would hear the return of John Flynt, who in a fit of passion became Brianna Wu and lost the gender that he so rightfully was.

I suppose the hilarious thing about all of this is that, in retrospect, these people will be forgotten in little more than a year or two after the SJW bullshit falls apart because their entire online personality is a trend. As hilariously terrible as OPL's was, it was unique because he had a distinctive personality. He had static, unchanging principles and values (even if he lied about which ones he actually had) and an Internet legacy independent of any sort of weird trend catching on the Internet (outside of the trolling community). Wu is SJWism taken form, and when it dies, she will be forgotten by everyone but the lolcow wiki.

And that will be her legacy. A shitty video game. A pathological liar. A self-deluded egotist whose internet footprint was even smaller than the autistic mind behind Sonichu.

A fitting punishment.

 

[zedkissed60]