I'm just collating what I found here. Haven't dug deep enough to really conclude anything but I will say that the last time I heard "I'm a person of colour because my family is southern Italian" it was said by an ftm. And if this forum is any evidence, people LARPing being intersex isn't terribly uncommon. Anyway, even if I'm just being a huge asshole about someone who a medical condition that isn't just garden variety mental illness, it's also concerning that they're pushing for the abolishment of sex as a legal category under the banner of intersex human rights. I almost didn't catch the paragraph it was slid in so neatly after long sections about reassignment surgeries and discrimination.
It's a fool's game to even try to dig at whether or not they're actually intersex.
Born in the 70s, back when doctors were asking the father what they'd like to raise the baby as when his baby's genitals didn't look quite right. Often not telling the mom. Kids raised during that time period sometimes don't even know they were born intersex, so good luck determining what went on in labor & delivery.
Doesn't know what particular intersex disorder they have. That's not unusual, because there's no medical indication for karyotype testing so insurance won't cover it, and it's quite expensive when you're paying out of pocket.
Intersex or not they still seem rather crazy (also Italians aren't people of color stop it)
While I hear the general consensus of intersex people is they hate being lumped in with troons and actual sexualities, because intersex is neither a mental disorder or sexual orientation, but rather, a genetic mutation. Which I agree with wholeheartedly, and it does sicken me to see how many troons, both HSTS and AGP, claim to be intersex all along, or with SRS, they are suddenly intersex, because they have a male body and female genitalia or whatever stupid fucking reason a troon will come up with. Unsurprisingly, the majority of intersex people against this are the older generation. It's the younger generation that's wanting to be lumped in with the LGBTQIA. And who knows if this younger generation is even fully made up of true intersex, or just like everything else that's a disorder, being intersex is now trendy and sets you apart from us evil cissies.
Doesn't know what particular intersex disorder they have. That's not unusual, because there's no medical indication for karyotype testing so insurance won't cover it, and it's quite expensive when you're paying out of pocket.
Intersex or not they still seem rather crazy (also Italians aren't people of color stop it)
She lives in the U.K. and the NHS does cover genetic testing if it’s referred, but their list of reasons for testing mostly revolve around potential medical issues. In the comic she claims she started questioning her gender identity, went to the NHS and was told she had to see an endocrinologist and that's how she was diagnosed as intersex—before being immediately getting told to gender transition by her doctor. (Tangentially related, I also ran across the NHS page about intersex conditions and how they are handled.)
Anyway, I guess whether she’s lying or not, this entire not-yet-established-charity has big grift energy. Registered U.K. charities have to publicly file their finances, so it’ll be interesting to see where the money goes.
I feel for this person because unlike a normal tranny, they didn't choose to chose to be intersex. But at the same time, something about their face just sets off alarm bells in my brain. It's very uncanny valley. They don't even look like a real person, they look like an AI-generated face from thispersondoesnotexist.com. It's like you simultaneously look like a soyboy, a baby, and a 14 year old Ayden and put them in the machine from The Fly.
Did you know that dicks and clits are just the same things? Also women talk about their clits as much as men talk about their dicks, so talking about your clit is just part of fem speech. Also everyone is a woman now, there's no criteria involved whatsoever. In other news, these men are insane
Did you know that dicks and clits are just the same things? Also women talk about their clits as much as men talk about their dicks, so talking about your clit is just part of fem speech. Also everyone is a woman now, there's no criteria involved whatsoever. In other news, these men are insane
Idk much about German politics but apparently caring about class issues is very problematic? Wealth inequality impacts more people than retarded social issues.
In the end, even Germany can’t escape western identity politics ):
Idk much about German politics but apparently caring about class issues is very problematic? Wealth inequality impacts more people than retarded social issues.
Because the game has a character creator and you can spend many hours playing the game as the character you create. It’s in the same vein as MMOs like FFXIV as favorites among troons.
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Idk much about German politics but apparently caring about class issues is very problematic? Wealth inequality impacts more people than retarded social issues.
In the end, even Germany can’t escape western identity politics ):
God, sometimes - in between bouts of being repulsed by their narcissistic degeneracy - I love how utterly oblivious trannies are to the fact that they're the best thing that's happened to the far right in decades.
As long as girldicks, gormless handmaidens, and fetishistic camouflage for obvious wannabe date rapists are what the left has to offer... we're gonna be seeing a lot more of this, and not just in Germany.
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Idk much about German politics but apparently caring about class issues is very problematic? Wealth inequality impacts more people than retarded social issues.
In the end, even Germany can’t escape western identity politics ):
For better or worse, income class is the skeleton key that truly undermines and undoes the comforts of the ruling order (in the scenario that the masses were to become focused on leveling class disparities). The reason why race trumps everything in identity politics is that identity politics is just one (among many) tools/shields that are used by the ruling class against the upheaval of the existing order. People could spend the next 100 years squabbling about racial politics and life will carry on as normal. The minute people of all races start to identify primarily with their class cohorts and unite based along class lines, start a timer, because time is ticking on society as we know it. A black millionaire has more in common with a white millionaire in basically every metric for health and quality of life than a white millionaire/white Appalachian or a black millionaire/black hoodrat. Meanwhile, when race is at stake, someone like Kamala Harris who is within the top five most powerful people on the planet can grandstand all day about her plight as a downtrodden ~~*~*woman of color*~*~~ (LOL)
A united lower class is the stuff of nightmares for the ruling class. So it's convenient for the media and the ruling class to hyperfocus on race.
IMO, the existing order is terrible in many ways (eg public school Teachers teaching 2nd graders about troons and anal sex) but I would imagine living through a major uprising or revolution is orders of magnitude worse so I basically I see agitating for "dismantling the system" (as batshit leftists love to speak of) as insane. I'd rather keep the system if it means the grocery stores have food on the shelves and the lights, heat, and power come on when I flip the switch. Also, exactly NONE of the people I've seen (Antifa losers or Extremists on the right) advocating total upheaval seem like the type of people any of us can trust to be turning the knobs on the human civilization control panel.
What kind of idiocy is that? The left is super pozzed and guzzling the gender kool aid. They are destroying the language more and more just to appease gender specials and if you don't agree, you're automatically "right wing". You are also not allowed to say anything bad about minorities or refugees.
I have poweleveled on here about the troon I work with. I have receipts now. Hidden under waves of spoiler to avoid doxing myself.
1. Literally has anime on the cover slide of his powerpoint. Didn't go unstated, apparently this is a "meaningful" anime in the "transgender community".
3. Next on the agenda... RULES! You must use the CORRECT language. Note, very little in the agenda about any scientific evidence with regards to the treatment of transgender (child) patients. Only about what THEY want for treatment. View attachment 2239701
4. Rules! Ye must follow!!
5. More rules! This slide took up a good 20 minutes - all about what makes them comfortable, do not challenge them, do not question them, do not say anything that can even be slightly misconstrued. Again, we are working with (mostly autistic) children and teenagers. The coworker explicitly says "do NOT tell their parents if the parents don't know". That immediately goes against many ethics guidelines we have with working with children ... what if these children are absconding and meeting with strangers from the internet? What if they are seeking drugs off the internet? NOPE cannot tell their parents for fear of outing them! View attachment 2239708
Finally. My coworker himself. Says he is 181cm - seems taller. Skeletal thinness, eating disordered. A LOT of plastic surgery going on. This is already post SRS, FFS, braces and lazer hair removal.
I'm not even sure if your friend passes as a troon in that picture, or maybe my brain is just being scrambled by the electrolysis rash. I feel the hair, especially at the top just looks male, looks like what you'd expect on a guy that grew his hair out. The nose is very interesting as well -- uniquely shaped nostrils.
The actual presentation just seems like it's directly cribbed from some gender affirmative care handbook (or some reddit resource), and then made less grammatical. Did he have a bibliography?
If I had to guess, it's probably all from one source, but then combined with his own personal knowledge & experiences. I personally suspect that that the "don't ask transwomen to do their male voice" dot point was a conscious addition based on past experience. The surgery point may belong in the same category, but that's more generic. Neither of them are really relevant to pediatric care.
The lack of a theoretical basis is also standard in all gender affirming care narratives, at best you'll get some oblique reference to gender identity being "established" at 18 months or maybe to some Olson-Kennedy study about how gender non-conforming children are - get this - gender non-conforming with respect to their sex (this is peer-reviewed Science, you see). It's worth noting that the sense in which they mean "established" is hard to establish though. In fact, often they seem to stake out a position wherein gender is some sui generis form of identification that follows some predetermined (but unknowable) path. This is the ad hoc defense offered against the obvious fact that their patients' 'gender identities' do in fact commonly change.
In order to then justify the medical interventions they then just assert that non-affirmed patients are a high suicide risk. The evidence for this is literally internet surveys with poor data validation conducted by partisan organizations & individuals. This is also where the 41% statistic comes from. Many of the clinicians are quite conscious of the absurdity of their position, and I think that's what drives the impetus to trivialize the medical interventions they push. Hence, Olson-Kennedy's "if they want their breasts back later then they can just go get 'em re-attached" quip or the constant insistence on the benignity of puberty blockers.
There's a nice section in Shrier's book that captures the essence of the position:
TiFs have this too, where they believe that if they do this it'll solve their mental illness/make them comfortable in their own skin/etc. Trans culture makes people believe that there's an easy answer to their dysfunction, when the truth is usually far more complex and hard to solve, and not in a way that's as simple and easy to understand as trooning out.
I actually think this is even worse in girls. I think males tend to be far less dependent on the belief in being literally ontologically and biologically the opposite-sex 'gender'.
Males seem to be far more interested in things like having female secondary sex characteristics, LARPing as a woman or getting access to female spaces. The actual justification often seems a little secondary. It still matters to them and does underpin the decisions they make, but it's more about justifying themselves in the face of others.
Females in contrast take the "wrong body" type ideas very seriously, believing them reflexively and justifying their actions on that basis without any ulterior aims. For them, gender identity is more about aversion to being a woman, and not about satiating any particular desire -- beyond, of course, getting rid of "gender dysphoria".
Even the positively desired things are often not desirable in and of themselves, but rather as symbols; synecdoches for their assumed identities, confirmation of 'validity'. Male troon desires tits so that he can play with them and post (disgusting) lewds, the female troon wants top surgery scars so that she can know and show that she's really a "trans man" -- that she belongs, is valid etc.. They're only symbols.
The rigid medicalized view of "being trans" is also why so-called transmedicalists are mostly FtMs. Almost paradoxically, the lack of desire for trappings of masculinity and the importance of identity labeling is why you get "He/Him" girls wearing more make-up than a clown. Comparatively, Daniel Muscato type characters are much rarer amongst men, more often you just get lazy autists whose problem is mostly that they can't hack personal care in the first place, let alone the greater demands of female presentation.
Even among FtMs who do attempt to present as men, it is absurdly common to find them wistfully longing for when they'll be able to go back to dyeing their hair or wearing eye-liner. The idea being that while they're early in transition, they won't pass if they do feminine things, but once they have a pube beard then they can go back to wearing mascara and still pass. This is delusional in 2021, but they don't realize this apparently. Again, the contrast with MtFs is instructive. They don't think the make-up or w/e is a chore. They revel in it, it's the most 'euphoric' part of their otherwise miserable existence. Even if there is something they would like to be able to do, but "can't" it's not something masculine, rather it's something like get a pixie cut.
On a related tangent, I found this today:
Note the "born cis" -- she's not being philosophical:
