Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Icterus]

Separated at birth?
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He did claim to be descended from royalty...

 

[Spatula]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but an actual philosophy professor rips into this ugly troon

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

 

[LemongrassLighthouse]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but an actual philosophy professor rips into this ugly troon

There's been debate in academic circles about the rise of the "Public Intellectual," especially in new media (online) and whether or not they do more harm than good, so it makes sense that the prof here would be interested in examining that type of content on YT. This video was posted in the PT subreddit, and I remember the comments all coming to Olly's defense when the prof stayed pretty neutral on Olly as a person and was obviously examining the content and interpreting it through the wider phenomenon of content creators being pseudo-educational for engagement and profit. I've been in higher levels of academia (didn't study philosophy) and this prof was downright nice to Olly; I got things wrong sometimes and my professors tore me apart. One comment on the sub was like "I'm a marketing professional and it's important for material to be presented in an engaging way. This professor is boring and Olly isn't, therefore Olly is the better presenter" which wasn't the point of the prof's response and really just proved his point about how the focus of these sorts of videos is on the presenter and not the material, and that's really what keeps subscribers watching.

Studying 101 philosophy is interesting. Getting really good at it is boring af. Kant is really boring. This type of high level theory and philosophy requires a lot of time and knowledge to grasp at an expert level. Even if you're the type that likes that sort of thing, it's still really frustrating and tedious. It's not silly costumes and poorly written skits that only vaguely relate to the cited material, with interpretations bent and distorted beyond recognition to the point of being just plain wrong. His fans don't care about philosophy, they care about Olly. Olly explicitly markets his channel as educational (yet calls it his "show" and his videos "episodes") when he's not providing an education nor is he qualified to teach this material all while banking on the fact that his audience isn't going to know or care when he's wrong. Education requires some form of mutual exchange that you just don't get from YT content by nature of the medium itself. There are way better ways for non-academics to learn about this stuff if they want that won't make you an expert but are at least from working scholars who know what they're talking about.

 

[Troonwhisperer]

There's been debate in academic circles about the rise of the "Public Intellectual," especially in new media (online) and whether or not they do more harm than good, so it makes sense that the prof here would be interested in examining that type of content on YT. This video was posted in the PT subreddit, and I remember the comments all coming to Olly's defense when the prof stayed pretty neutral on Olly as a person and was obviously examining the content and interpreting it through the wider phenomenon of content creators being pseudo-educational for engagement and profit. I've been in higher levels of academia (didn't study philosophy) and this prof was downright nice to Olly; I got things wrong sometimes and my professors tore me apart. One comment on the sub was like "I'm a marketing professional and it's important for material to be presented in an engaging way. This professor is boring and Olly isn't, therefore Olly is the better presenter" which wasn't the point of the prof's response and really just proved his point about how the focus of these sorts of videos is on the presenter and not the material, and that's really what keeps subscribers watching.

Studying 101 philosophy is interesting. Getting really good at it is boring af. Kant is really boring. This type of high level theory and philosophy requires a lot of time and knowledge to grasp at an expert level. Even if you're the type that likes that sort of thing, it's still really frustrating and tedious. It's not silly costumes and poorly written skits that only vaguely relate to the cited material, with interpretations bent and distorted beyond recognition to the point of being just plain wrong. His fans don't care about philosophy, they care about Olly. Olly explicitly markets his channel as educational (yet calls it his "show" and his videos "episodes") when he's not providing an education nor is he qualified to teach this material all while banking on the fact that his audience isn't going to know or care when he's wrong. Education requires some form of mutual exchange that you just don't get from YT content by nature of the medium itself. There are way better ways for non-academics to learn about this stuff if they want that won't make you an expert but are at least from working scholars who know what they're talking about.

I mean he stopped doing the philosophy 101 videos a long time ago. You really have to go back some years to find a video in which he for example explains Kant's philosophy in a short video. In the last two to three years (and just coincidentally his videos started to look like Hontra's videos after Hontra got famous) his videos mostly became a cheap drag show and the only philosophy you would find is a quotation of a philosopher and how this quote proves that trannies are actually women. But everyone older than 20 should be able to see that Olly doesn't know anything about philosophy, no matter if pre- or post-troon out. It's the same thing when Hontra made a video about race and implicitly showed that he didn't even know the difference between Y-DNA and autosomal DNA.

 

[esmeggs]

Anyone have a car repair shop they're willing to rent out to a tranny that wants to fulfill their sexy car mechanic fantasy??? Glad to see his AGP fantasies don't stop at filming himself scuba diving in a bikini, which he's apparently actually serious about.

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[Clem Fandango]

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Why does he always wear his bra/padding so high up? Has he ever seen a woman before?

Lol what a fucking schnoz

 

[Cisna H. Scumale]

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Holy Christ, this is full Bourgeois behavior.

I suppose next he's going to ask if any cisman would want let him spank them for a thousand dollars.

 

[Tombigbee]

How burdensome for Olly to know everything and to have to endure white people’s “ignorance” regarding CRT and troon healthcare and everything else. Pretty rich from a guy who figured out he’s a “woman” in his late 20s and is probably currently mulling whether to chop his dick off.

 

[LemongrassLighthouse]

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Currently taking bets on whether this is going to be a “teehee I’m a dumb woman who doesn’t know about cars! What dichotomy! What juxtaposition! Women and machines, am I right? I’m a silly little bimbo, look at me!” thing, as if that horse hasn’t been beaten to death so much that it’s in hell.

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

Anyone else kinda irked when you see people reference Olly when talking about transgender people as if he's this major transgender activist when he only decided he was going to pretend to be transgender three months ago?

I keep seeing comments acting like he's been here for years as a transgender person and therefore uber-qualified to discuss transgender issues when there's Fruit Flies who have lived longer than the Abigail persona.

 

[Troonwhisperer]

Anyone else kinda irked when you see people reference Olly when talking about transgender people as if he's this major transgender activist when he only decided he was going to pretend to be transgender three months ago?

I keep seeing comments acting like he's been here for years as a transgender person and therefore uber-qualified to discuss transgender issues when there's Fruit Flies who have lived longer than the Abigail persona.

That's true, but there were also barely legal non-binary kids who scolded Hontra for ignoring the hard life of young upper middle class girls who think that wearing glasses and dying your hair in different colours literally changes your gender.

And I could get up in the next morning and just claim to be trans or non-binary and everyone would have to accept it and treat me as an expert on this subject. So it's not surprising that Ollie can get away with it, since the brains of 20 - 40% of the Western population started melting at the beginning of 2013 (who gave a fuck about trannies before 2013?) and think that allowing self-id is the new civil rights movement of our time.

Late-night rant: I know that many people on the right think that this was inevitable because something something slippery slope. But before the collective insanity starting around 2013 we still had Lady Gaga pretending to be a man, R Kelly raping her in a music video and playing a disabled woman in Paparazzi. RuPaul singing about tranny chasers and having a black drag queen wearing a costume that looked like the Southern flag. Lena Dunham making fun of feminism and using racial stereotypes in girls etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I experienced the early 2010's as a rather carefree time without too much speech policing outside of university. I even remember watching some vice documentaries around 2012 and it was basically an edgy hipster racist magazine with very mean people in it. But then around 2013 the insanity started at several frontiers: racism, meme (intersectional) feminism, the LGBTIQA2+ hydra etc.
I've read a lot of different perspectives how we got here, from materialist marxists to reactionaries like Mencius Moldbug. All of them share some similiarities and have their differences of opinions. They all try to explain how we got here so fast, but nobody of them really answer the question why it happened with a bang. How did we go from 2010's "Women are women and men are men" to today's politicians who unironically say "Biological sex is a very complex subject and the binary is out-dated and transphobic!". Some blame it on gay marriage, but why didn't this insanity happen in a country like Spain who legalized it around 2004? Or Belgium? Their troon insanity happened at the same time as in the USA and hence I only see a minimal correlation between those two subjects. Furthermore even the Romans allowed some polygamous civil unions between men and women and they never had to worship and respect masturbating freaks in wigs and dresses as brave and stunningly beautiful women.

In short: How did it happen that a narcissist like Ollie gets treated like a woman and disagreeing with this puts you into the same category as Nazis in polite society? I really like to know that, because modern trans ideology is probably one of the most insane idea in known human history.

 

[DunshireProvost]

That's true, but there were also barely legal non-binary kids who scolded Hontra for ignoring the hard life of young upper middle class girls who think that wearing glasses and dying your hair in different colours literally changes your gender.

And I could get up in the next morning and just claim to be trans or non-binary and everyone would have to accept it and treat me as an expert on this subject. So it's not surprising that Ollie can get away with it, since the brains of 20 - 40% of the Western population started melting at the beginning of 2013 (who gave a fuck about trannies before 2013?) and think that allowing self-id is the new civil rights movement of our time.

Late-night rant: I know that many people on the right think that this was inevitable because something something slippery slope. But before the collective insanity starting around 2013 we still had Lady Gaga pretending to be a man, R Kelly raping her in a music video and playing a disabled woman in Paparazzi. RuPaul singing about tranny chasers and having a black drag queen wearing a costume that looked like the Southern flag. Lena Dunham making fun of feminism and using racial stereotypes in girls etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I experienced the early 2010's as a rather carefree time without too much speech policing outside of university. I even remember watching some vice documentaries around 2012 and it was basically an edgy hipster racist magazine with very mean people in it. But then around 2013 the insanity started at several frontiers: racism, meme (intersectional) feminism, the LGBTIQA2+ hydra etc.
I've read a lot of different perspectives how we got here, from materialist marxists to reactionaries like Mencius Moldbug. All of them share some similiarities and have their differences of opinions. They all try to explain how we got here so fast, but nobody of them really answer the question why it happened with a bang. How did we go from 2010's "Women are women and men are men" to today's politicians who unironically say "Biological sex is a very complex subject and the binary is out-dated and transphobic!". Some blame it on gay marriage, but why didn't this insanity happen in a country like Spain who legalized it around 2004? Or Belgium? Their troon insanity happened at the same time as in the USA and hence I only see a minimal correlation between those two subjects. Furthermore even the Romans allowed some polygamous civil unions between men and women and they never had to worship and respect masturbating freaks in wigs and dresses as brave and stunningly beautiful women.

In short: How did it happen that a narcissist like Ollie gets treated like a woman and disagreeing with this puts you into the same category as Nazis in polite society? I really like to know that, because modern trans ideology is probably one of the most insane idea in known human history.

Seriously, I think it was Twitter and the other social media platforms that allowed people to form mobs that shouted louder and drew more attention than they ever deserved and for some reason everyone started worrying about what idiots said on Twitter and fear of backlash did the rest.

How many news articles from the so called respectable press include multiple embedded tweets from complete randoms with two or three likes and retweets and use them as a basis for... whatever, Its insane, and I’m firmly on the left of the political spectrum,

 

[Tombigbee]

I watched “Queer” by Olly yesterday. God was he insufferable. He’s suddenly struck out of nowhere that he’s “bisexual.” He comes across like such a tryhard pretentious materialistic twat. Which, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

One thing that did surprise me though was he did a “fashion show” that was clearly a rip off of Contra’s fashion show in “The Aesthetic.” I haven’t seen that example in the skinwalking evidence montages but it was so obviously ripped off from Contra. It’s hard to say which one is most cringey. When “Justine” explains to “Tabby” how to strut on the runway (“here, I’ll show you”) and Contra starts giving FACE to the camera and stomping around like Naomi Campbell with over-the-shoulder lewks it’s pretty embarrassing. But Olly looks equally awkward trying to give Blue Steel. Kind of a toss up.

 

[esmeggs]

Someone said that Olly purposefully uses a camera angle that elongates his face and opens his mouth a bit to emulate Contra. I thought they were reading way too much into it until I saw their selfies side-by-side. Even Olly's weird fucked up cheekbone is smoothed out to look exactly like Contra's botched FFS. I get this could be a coincidence but it's bizarre.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

But then around 2013 the insanity started at several frontiers: racism, meme (intersectional) feminism, the LGBTIQA2+ hydra etc.

In short: How did it happen that a narcissist like Ollie gets treated like a woman and disagreeing with this puts you into the same category as Nazis in polite society? I really like to know that, because modern trans ideology is probably one of the most insane idea in known human history.

The world ended at the end of the last Mayan b'ak'tun in 2012. This is just the post-apocalyptic fever-dream generated by the last seconds of your extinguished consciousness, the bardo you entered the moment the universe imploded.

Spoiler: Wall of sperg.

Seriously, though, I'd be interested to read any of the articles you mention. Here's my own PT-style sperg on the topic (with the caveat that this is all my own autistic understanding of this stuff and just a heuristic for talking about what's really going on etc.). I think post-industrial Western society is undergoing a sea change in its collective psychology due to the rise of narcissistic ways of being. A lot of psychologists and historians have written about a rise of narcissism over the course of the 20th century (the most well-known summary being Lasch's The Culture of Narcissism [LibGen]. The work of psychoanalyst Heinz Kohut is pretty interesting in this regard. Over the course of his psychoanalytic work in 20th century America, Kohut started to notice that clients were increasingly presenting with a new kind of problem which he hadn't seen much in the old school literature by the old guard (Freud, Adler, Jung) in 19th-century Europe. Kohut says that Freud's theories were based around the idea 'Guilty Man', someone attempting to satisfy their drives (seeking pleasure) against environmental pressures (e.g. society's expectations). Kohut saw as increasingly applicable to his contemporary clients the idea of the Tragic Man, who seeks "to express the pattern of his nuclear self" (The Restoration of the Self [LibGen]). In short, people used to get depressed because they were guilty for not fitting in with society's expectations. In the 20th century, they started to get depressed because they found themselves tragically unable to understand who they were and how to express it.

I think this can also be linked to Trilling's work on Authenticity and Sincerity [LibGen], which was actually discussed in relation to PT by Prof Moeller in this video which was linked earlier in the thread. Pre-Industrial societies valued individuals who fulfilled certain roles. The ideal was to be sincere in how you fulfill your society-given role: a good person was considered a good person because they sincerely fulfilled the role given to them by society (mother/father/physician/farmer, etc.). People got depressed or were considered hysterical/insane when they could not and would not fulfill their role. That was who Freud, Adler, Jung was treating. In the 20th century, led by already markedly more individualistic United States, we see the shift away towards the ideal of authenticity. Now it's not about fulfilling your role but actually the opposite: society's expectations are inhibiting, not inspiring. The quest became to seek the 'true self' hidden beneath the 'mask' you were forced to wear. People got depressed because they felt they had lost touch with this 'true self', they came to therapists to find out 'who they really are'. Sure, that's good stuff: it's healthy to balance the needs of our ego with the needs of our persona. But take this to extremes and you start to have big problems.

It can also be linked to greater changes in Western philosophy and psychology. In Narcissism, the Self, and Society, Reuben Fine writes that this "narcissism of the common man" is a result of philosophers overthrowing absolutism and the Industrial Revolution reducing the relevance of the collective (a lot of right-wing commentators blame Critical Theory for today's ills - but Critical Theory's roots go further back). In short, we've lost touch with the collective and our focus has become so individualistic as to be extreme: we now, as a society, are well towards a worldview where there is no Universal Truth and only individual 'lived-experience' as Truth. This can be seen on what used to be called the right (see: 'alternative facts') and what used to be called the left (see: everything in this thread). The reason right/left has no meaning anymore is because there is no truth to be shared amongst a collective (whether that is a nation or a class or something), only the individual. MY truth, MY experience, MY ethics, MY self, MY hopes, MY triggers, MY choice, ME, ME, fucking ME.

 

[meandering4morons]

I still think the funniest thing about Olly is that he's seemingly kind of redpilled Hontra and some of his devoted lapdogs as they have no idea how to even handle the situation. They've spent so much time trying to debunk AGP and then heeereeeeee's Olly, proving Blanchard right with every creepy tweet. It's hilarious.

Wait how has Nyk been redpilled? Has he said something?

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

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I put money on him pretending to be the bimbo, because 'wimmin not know cars' with added old school pin up poses

 

[Puck]

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How burdensome for Olly to know everything and to have to endure white people’s “ignorance” regarding CRT and troon healthcare and everything else. Pretty rich from a guy who figured out he’s a “woman” in his late 20s and is probably currently mulling whether to chop his dick off.

Hes basically saying that the limits and failures of philosophy tube are that people dont want to think.

This might be the most arrogant and narcissistic thing I've ever read.

 

[Kanuckski]

That's true, but there were also barely legal non-binary kids who scolded Hontra for ignoring the hard life of young upper middle class girls who think that wearing glasses and dying your hair in different colours literally changes your gender.

And I could get up in the next morning and just claim to be trans or non-binary and everyone would have to accept it and treat me as an expert on this subject. So it's not surprising that Ollie can get away with it, since the brains of 20 - 40% of the Western population started melting at the beginning of 2013 (who gave a fuck about trannies before 2013?) and think that allowing self-id is the new civil rights movement of our time.

Late-night rant: I know that many people on the right think that this was inevitable because something something slippery slope. But before the collective insanity starting around 2013 we still had Lady Gaga pretending to be a man, R Kelly raping her in a music video and playing a disabled woman in Paparazzi. RuPaul singing about tranny chasers and having a black drag queen wearing a costume that looked like the Southern flag. Lena Dunham making fun of feminism and using racial stereotypes in girls etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I experienced the early 2010's as a rather carefree time without too much speech policing outside of university. I even remember watching some vice documentaries around 2012 and it was basically an edgy hipster racist magazine with very mean people in it. But then around 2013 the insanity started at several frontiers: racism, meme (intersectional) feminism, the LGBTIQA2+ hydra etc.
I've read a lot of different perspectives how we got here, from materialist marxists to reactionaries like Mencius Moldbug. All of them share some similiarities and have their differences of opinions. They all try to explain how we got here so fast, but nobody of them really answer the question why it happened with a bang. How did we go from 2010's "Women are women and men are men" to today's politicians who unironically say "Biological sex is a very complex subject and the binary is out-dated and transphobic!". Some blame it on gay marriage, but why didn't this insanity happen in a country like Spain who legalized it around 2004? Or Belgium? Their troon insanity happened at the same time as in the USA and hence I only see a minimal correlation between those two subjects. Furthermore even the Romans allowed some polygamous civil unions between men and women and they never had to worship and respect masturbating freaks in wigs and dresses as brave and stunningly beautiful women.

In short: How did it happen that a narcissist like Ollie gets treated like a woman and disagreeing with this puts you into the same category as Nazis in polite society? I really like to know that, because modern trans ideology is probably one of the most insane idea in known human history.

Our favorite philosophy professor actually made a video addressing wokeism being uniquely American in origin. It's later into the video at around 15 minutes and onwards. He attributes this to the American character of "Civil Religion" AKA a united a political and moral vision for the U.S within the populace. It's a concept that's existed since 1776, but has increasingly trended towards social and activist topics throughout U.S history. As well as a unique form of German guilt-pride (Our ancestors were the bad guys and we can never forget what happened and we're still accountable. But also we're good guys because we can admit that.) and the high level of individualism especially present in America. Which pretty aptly explains it in my opinion. So for people looking for a slippery slope to blame modern day wokeism on, your options are the creation of the United States. Or if you're feeling particularly bold, the origin of western individualism in the pre-Roman Empire city states of the Mediterranean

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