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Gender non conforming women have always existed (I could give you some academic lesbian history books if you care, but you probably don’t), but never have there been so many straight teenage girls rejecting the female standard. Right? Am I missing something? I guess at the point in medieval England when 25% of the population entered religious life, that was a lot of nuns, but I do think it is legitimately abnormal for so many straight teenage girls to want to be unattractive to boys by rejecting femininity.
"gender non conforming women" is kinda meaningless these days because the modern day pop culture idea of feminine behavior with its focus on hyper sexualisation and hedonistic consumerism is so artificial and cancerous. it has gotten to the point where i think it's actually healthier for girls to reject most of it instead of conforming to it.

the problem then is that nobody is really presenting any sort of viable alternative to them, with tranny shit being the only 'alternative' that is supported and pushed, and it's even more cancerous and damaging than the regular stuff. shit's fucked all around.
 
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Why do these troons write (I almost said "speak", but these freaks don't leave the Internet) like bad guys from their shitty cartoons? Do they think it makes them sound cool and badass?

Speaking of terminally online, do troons have high rates of rickets? I can't imagine lack of sunlight, shitty diets, puberty blockers, and cross-sex hormones being good for the bones.
 
Why do these troons write (I almost said "speak", but these freaks don't leave the Internet) like bad guys from their shitty cartoons? Do they think it makes them sound cool and badass?
It's not just troons. Nerds have been fed a steady diet of capeshit movies for the past few years and now they all try to be gritty supervillains while posting on the internet.
 
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dumbass tranny doesnt understand transhumanism news at 11 rofl

It is probably a minority opinion in this place but no, I have known several transgender people who transitioned and went on with their lives in peace. One factor they have in common is that they all transitioned 5+ years ago. The current trans wave, on the other hand, seems to be mostly middle-aged men who aren't getting enough attention and sad autistic children.

Personally I believe there are a small number of people who, maybe because of a hormonal issue, really are happier and better off living as the opposite sex. That number has not increased and is still tiny, and is currently being drowned out 1,000 to 1 by the type of people featured this thread.
I understand where you were coming from, but even with the older "saner" trans crowd its very rarely hormones. Its mental illness and trauma. The desperate need to be Not Yourself anymore can cause dysphoria which, with the right social contagion, can lead to seeing going transgender as the best way to be a new person detached from the trauma of your old self. I sympathize with these people so long as they arent actively spouting rhetoric that actively harms other groups (women, children, gays). Or its fetishism but they know to stick to their own circles and not to bother normal folks with it.

Theres a difference between judging an individual and a toxic community/culture they might have ended up in. Sure, the folks posted in here are lolcow as fuck but thats visibility bias in action. You dont see the saner troons posting dumb shit because they realize their identity is more than their just fucking gender presentation.
 
Gender non conforming women have always existed (I could give you some academic lesbian history books if you care, but you probably don’t), but never have there been so many straight teenage girls rejecting the female standard. Right? Am I missing something? I guess at the point in medieval England when 25% of the population entered religious life, that was a lot of nuns, but I do think it is legitimately abnormal for so many straight teenage girls to want to be unattractive to boys by rejecting femininity.
I'm not sure and I can't speak for the straight girls doing this, but I guess it's related to the recent (past 5-10 years) normalisation of what essentially is porn stereotypes as "femininity". Liberal feminism has sold girls the lie that selling your body as a product for men's entertainment is empowering. Risking your health and safety by sleeping with many men casually is empowering. Every individual choice is EmPoWeRiNg, everything you do is politicised. If you don't want to get choked during sex you're a prude. Yaaas kween! Boss bitch! Etc.
I have never seen so many girls as young as 12 and 13 wearing drag queen style makeup as a daily look, and too afraid to leave the house without it. I've never seen so many girls think it's a great idea to sell their bodies to crusty coomers upon reaching 18. I've never seen such retarded, porn inspired beauty standards amongst 12-20 year olds. A lot of this is driven by consumerism and mainstreaming of porn. I am not slutshaming, it's not a matter of morality but wellbeing, and these are children/teens we're talking about.

It is only my opinion, but I think the lack of belonging and confusion many girls might feel during their teen years is encouraging this increase in FTM troons. If you can't fit in with or go with these social pressures, or become convinced you're special and different for not being girly (very common), not to mention the overlap with things like autism, depression and eating disorders, it's easy to get groomed into this stuff.
 
dumbass tranny doesnt understand transhumanism news at 11 rofl


I understand where you were coming from, but even with the older "saner" trans crowd its very rarely hormones. Its mental illness and trauma. The desperate need to be Not Yourself anymore can cause dysphoria which, with the right social contagion, can lead to seeing going transgender as the best way to be a new person detached from the trauma of your old self. I sympathize with these people so long as they arent actively spouting rhetoric that actively harms other groups (women, children, gays). Or its fetishism but they know to stick to their own circles and not to bother normal folks with it.

Theres a difference between judging an individual and a toxic community/culture they might have ended up in. Sure, the folks posted in here are lolcow as fuck but thats visibility bias in action. You dont see the saner troons posting dumb shit because they realize their identity is more than their just fucking gender presentation.
I would also like to add something for the people who claim there are OK troons:

1. How well do you know this person? How deeply do you interact? Do they have a job and working social and fa,ily relationships?

I have found in 20+ years with these people that even with the most "sane" appearing ones there is still something off. Because a normal healthy human being doesn't follow trans ideology. Press into those sane troons. Maybe dig a little deeper into their online presence. You will find the fetishes and the gender euphoria hidden there. Many of them have learned that they need to hide these tendencies. But I bet every one of them has stolen panties and has secret feminization fantasies.

Its when those "sane" ones turn on you that is really mind boggling. And a large part about why i never turn my back on anyone who claims trans id.
 
I'm not sure and I can't speak for the straight girls doing this, but I guess it's related to the recent (past 5-10 years) normalisation of what essentially is porn stereotypes as "femininity". Liberal feminism has sold girls the lie that selling your body as a product for men's entertainment is empowering. Risking your health and safety by sleeping with many men casually is empowering. Every individual choice is EmPoWeRiNg, everything you do is politicised. If you don't want to get choked during sex you're a prude. Yaaas kween! Boss bitch! Etc.
I have never seen so many girls as young as 12 and 13 wearing drag queen style makeup as a daily look, and too afraid to leave the house without it. I've never seen so many girls think it's a great idea to sell their bodies to crusty coomers upon reaching 18. I've never seen such retarded, porn inspired beauty standards amongst 12-20 year olds. A lot of this is driven by consumerism and mainstreaming of porn. I am not slutshaming, it's not a matter of morality but wellbeing, and these are children/teens we're talking about.

It is only my opinion, but I think the lack of belonging and confusion many girls might feel during their teen years is encouraging this increase in FTM troons. If you can't fit in with or go with these social pressures, or become convinced you're special and different for not being girly (very common), not to mention the overlap with things like autism, depression and eating disorders, it's easy to get groomed into this stuff.
Completely agreed. I started detrooning a few months ago and have been reflecting a lot on what lead to me to troon out to begin with. I realized a lot of it just had to do with what modern feminism presented to my gender-nonconforming teen self as the acceptable ways of being a female, which was made much worse by going to a high school in a university town that was a hotbed of extremely priveliged, extremely liberal shithead kids of university professors who thought you were a prude and simply suffering from "internalized misogyny" if you weren't doing anal by age 14 and walking around in nothing but booty shorts and a pushup bra with a goddamn circus tent's worth of clown makeup caked on your face.

Girls, especially gender-nonconforming, awkward and lonely ones, in such environments these days often have three options for finding a social group in which to make friends:

1) Give in and act and dress like a braindead caricature of a bimbo and then belittle other girls for not changing everything about themselves for the sake of vampirically feeding off as much male / social media attention as possible like your life depends on it. Don't forget to somehow justify all this in the name of feminism without actually caring about feminism beyond being able to wield it for delicious oppression points.

2) Actually become invested in feminism but be an absolute obnoxious, elitist cunt about it. Instead of showing of your tits, show off how INTELLECKSCHUAL you are. Dismiss any girl who doesn't equate saying "you guys" to female genocide as a self-hating victim of patriarchy who is clearly beneath you. Also all women are victims and that's never going to change. Accept your role as a forever victim, you victim.

3) Join the less popular but at least on the surface much more friendly, nonjudgemental and accepting queer kids, many of whom will have already started to troon out or soon will be. Start believing the reason you weren't popular and didn't have many friends before was because you weren't being your troo self. Reject being female entirely and join the ROGD gang. Ignore as best as you can the batshit drama that happens in your newfound troon gang because at least they aren't brutally elitist.

I believe experiences like this are also why so many trans people have fallen head-over-heals for communism. They feel rejected by a social hierarchy where they didn't make the cut for their own birth sex.

It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize how much I was sperging out. I'll put a spoiler in when I'm not on my phone.
 
It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?

You sound like those men who also blame feminists for why they hate being men. Being a woman is great, but you do have to think for yourself, like all people, male and female. Stop blaming other women for why you trooned out while giving the trans cult who fooled you into thinking it was a good idea a free pass. And take some personal responsibility
 
Completely agreed. I started detrooning a few months ago and have been reflecting a lot on what lead to me to troon out to begin with. I realized a lot of it just had to do with what modern feminism presented to my gender-nonconforming teen self as the acceptable ways of being a female, which was made much worse by going to a high school in a university town that was a hotbed of extremely priveliged, extremely liberal shithead kids of university professors who thought you were a prude and simply suffering from "internalized misogyny" if you weren't doing anal by age 14 and walking around in nothing but booty shorts and a pushup bra with a goddamn circus tent's worth of clown makeup caked on your face.

Girls, especially gender-nonconforming, awkward and lonely ones, in such environments these days often have three options for finding a social group in which to make friends:

1) Give in and act and dress like a braindead caricature of a bimbo and then belittle other girls for not changing everything about themselves for the sake of vampirically feeding off as much male / social media attention as possible like your life depends on it. Don't forget to somehow justify all this in the name of feminism without actually caring about feminism beyond being able to wield it for delicious oppression points.

2) Actually become invested in feminism but be an absolute obnoxious, elitist cunt about it. Instead of showing of your tits, show off how INTELLECKSCHUAL you are. Dismiss any girl who doesn't equate saying "you guys" to female genocide as a self-hating victim of patriarchy who is clearly beneath you. Also all women are victims and that's never going to change. Accept your role as a forever victim, you victim.

3) Join the less popular but at least on the surface much more friendly, nonjudgemental and accepting queer kids, many of whom will have already started to troon out or soon will be. Start believing the reason you weren't popular and didn't have many friends before was because you weren't being your troo self. Reject being female entirely and join the ROGD gang. Ignore as best as you can the batshit drama that happens in your newfound troon gang because at least they aren't brutally elitist.

I believe experiences like this are also why so many trans people have fallen head-over-heals for communism. They feel rejected by a social hierarchy where they didn't make the cut for their own birth sex.

It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize how much I was sperging out. I'll put a spoiler in when I'm not on my phone.

You sound like those men who also blame feminists for why they hate being men. Being a woman is great, but you do have to think for yourself, like all people, male and female. Stop blaming other women for why you trooned out while giving the trans cult who fooled you into thinking it was a good idea a free pass. And take some personal responsibility
You don't need to be a feminist to have respect for yourself and your worth as a person. Social movements are always changing, you need a much more stable sense of self than that. Women in general need better self esteem and more confidence in saying no. There is no one thing to blame for this phenomenon but there are causes nonetheless. Liberal pop feminism is just a small aspect of it.
Edit: to be clear I'm not an anti-feminist and feminists are not responsible for the troon menace.
 
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You sound like those men who also blame feminists for why they hate being men. Being a woman is great, but you do have to think for yourself, like all people, male and female. Stop blaming other women for why you trooned out while giving the trans cult who fooled you into thinking it was a good idea a free pass. And take some personal responsibility
I'm certainly not blaming other women, or feminism as a whole, or even dismissing my own responsibility. I'm only using exaggerations to explain why I think certain misuses of feminism have contributed to so many teen girls trooning out. Sorry if my attempts at mild humor failed and just came off as aggro, but I don't think pointing out that social trends shape people's behavior is the same as dismissing my own responsibility. Of course everyone is ultimately responsible for their own behavior, but legions of children didn't start thinking they were trans for no reason either.

I also think my high school was a particularly exceptional case where these trends were deeply exaggerated, but I think they're indicative of the kinds of social pressures many teen girls have been going through in this past decade.
 
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