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I find it works differently but somewhat similar for men and women. When some women are loosing the debate, they resort to raising their voice and behaving in a passive aggressive/rude manner whilst the men will talk very rapidly and begin losing their temper.RE: male and female socialization.
There is actually an important aspect of it that most people don't realize and is hard to get out of that contributes to some of what is happening.
Namely, women and men actually argue in very fundamentally different ways. There is competitive debate in high schools and colleges (at least in the US) and its heavily dominated by men. For women to do well they either find a gimmick they can pull off, or their coach will work their feminine way of arguing out of them. A notable aspect of it is literally women's voices and tendency to get not just louder but higher pitched, which is perceived as getting more hysterical no matter how reasonable she is in her argumentation. It goes deeper than that but that is the simplest example.
Thus, TiMs present their arguments just as any other man would and natal woman plow ahead as is their norm and they will find it extremely difficult to adequately combat male argument tactics just due to how genders present these things differently.
EDIT: To avoid double posting.
@artilleryfroth iirc it comes from the notion the uterus infects the woman's brain and gives her the crazies.
@07. There isnt as far as I know studies on this but you can speak to any women who competed at high levels in debate about their coaches teaching them to drop their voice or working with them on how they approach arguments. On the high school level there is also a reason you see more girls in "Lincoln-Douglas" debate than Policy and its linked to this as well.
So, to summarize, they took "man" and "woman" so we had to resort to "male" and "female", then they took those as well and stole "amab" and "afab" from intersex to replace them.Casually going through twitter and came across a real good troon fight. I'll let the pics speak for themselves. Link, archive soonView attachment 2272392
(This actually is a "terf" talking point, abolishing gender is abolishing a source of oppression for women)
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that troon got a bit ratioed here. Quote retweets are insane
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This is the dilemma. They want more visibility but are used to being pushed aside because they are women. At the same time, they think the gentlemanly thing to do would be to take up less space and let the trans women take the reins. It really shows just how much the "male privilege" arguments are about trying to make men more like women, because even when they switch places, it comes naturally for women not to be the "toxic masculine male" they hate. They can't help but be accommodating.Isn't this what they wanted? You want to be a man, but you complain about being treated like a man.
Patiently waiting for the men's rights activist equivalent of a terf to become a thing.
Transwomen are also a hell of a lot more vocal in general for obvious reasons.This is the dilemma. They want more visibility but are used to being pushed aside because they are women. At the same time, they think the gentlemanly thing to do would be to take up less space and let the trans women take the reins. It really shows just how much the "male privilege" arguments are about trying to make men more like women, because even when they switch places, it comes naturally for women not to be the "toxic masculine male" they hate. They can't help but be accommodating.
High effort and interesting post, 5 stars.my time has come.
there's a reason there's so many shut-in, programmer-and-equivalents, terminally internet-based anime-addicted sperglords who troon out, and that reason is nyotaika.
the anime leads them to the hentai. the hentai leads them to the weirder, paraphilia shit. one of which is a genre specifically catering to every possible fantasy on the spectrum of AGP. it's called nyotaika.
heads up i'm going to be posting some links that range from fucking weird to fucking disgusting degeneracy forthwith.
first off: a nyotaika-dominated tag to peruse if you dare, a more specific one, and the skinsuit tag if you wanna say fuck it and go full horrorshow at the start. when i personally call some troons wannabe-skinwalkers, i am not using it as fanciful rhetoric.
nyotaika is, to put it most simply, the AGP fantasy of becoming the little anime girl they then try to recreate in public.
i myself consider the platonic (as in plato, def not nonsexual) example of full troon degeneracy exposed as a fetish to be the mangaka manaita. look him up yourself, because i'm not sure on the rules of linking loli-adjacent shit, but they all follow one formula: a man being forced by some prepubescent girls (because of course prepubescent girls) to dress as a prepubescent girl and engage in literally just the sort of innocuous activities prepubescent girls generally enjoy, which inevitably involves him getting a mega boner throughout and eventually orgasming in a public place. he passes flawlessly, of course (despite being a grown man) except for his boner, and part of the thrill is the single girl in the group who has no idea he's a dude getting off throughout.
edit: actually nah man fuck it i'll link him but just the directory, if you go and view it 'tis on you.
there's a lot of simple, straightforward stories that if not for the troonacy resultant would be fairly inoffensive AGP fantasies: i woke up as a cute anime girl! i groped my own tits! is this what the clitoris feels like? males desiring my attractive female body is so exciting! whoops i'm having sex with them! sex as a woman is amazing! probably some implication that it's sissification-level-degrading, but generally pretty light on it! i'll be a woman forever!!
in this category is a rare but specific one i don't particularly understand myself, but it's definitely a thing: male turns into female, is then attracted to and then fucks by his best friend. like, raped by the best friend/acquaintance/teacher/whatever is the fairly standard nyotaika fantasy that clearly has to do with the association of womanification as degradation (i WAS the unbeatable hero, but then i got turned into a girl and now i'm so weak and sexually vulnerable!! kyaa, mister tentacle monster (or anyone i previously had power over), noooo!! i'm being brutally raped and mindbroken!!! is SUPER common), but the consensual ones don't often involve guys that don't already have a close connection to the cypher. if that's a security thing or a latent homosexual desire thing, idk.
also, while i was finding the links i even managed to dig up an i WAS the unbeatable hero, but then i got turned into a girl and fucked my best friend!! hey, crossover.
the transformation narratives are all over: there's i was turned into a girl and then lovingly wed by the demon king, also turned into a girl, there's i was lovingly fucked by a big-titted futanari until i grew a womb i guess, there's i was turned into a girl, drugged, and then gang-raped horrifically on film by a pack of thuggish black men, no subconcious to plumb THERE, there's lovingly and extensively depicted narratives of being transformed into some mobile game anime chick, there's this particular one that is both full color and a zillion billion pages long in case you doubt their dedication to the fetish, there's this specific one about how erotic it must be to enter the women's baths disguised as a woman (they just want to pee), with randos commenting on the attractiveness and bust size of complete strangers, as all women are clearly wont to do in women's baths, there's okay, i have run out of bookmarks i have been saving specifically for the moment someone started theorizing on the anime addiction. the links might not all line up, i'm on my phone, but whatever, the point is there's so fucking much of it.
nyotaika hentai is kept the same secret as AGP in general is by the community, but mark my words, if he's got an anime icon, he's absolutely balls-deep into nyotaika. he keeps obsessing on becoming an anime girl specifically because the gateway to the fetish he's trying to live was quite literally about becoming an anime girl.
as to why i myself know so much about hentai here, i just honestly find the depths of sexuality one reaches when freed from reality fascinating anthropologically, and hentai's is a good look into the mostly-male's sexual psyche. i read weird and fucked-up fanfic from series i know nothing about too, because that one's a good look into the depths of the mostly-female's. ask me about a/b/o sometime. believe me as also getting off to it or don't, i ain't give a shit.
I think it's because both cultures view femininity and being a woman through different lenses. American men view women's lives literally as life on easy mode. They think that women get fawned over and get hand outs by society, and they too want that and think the only way to get it is to be a woman. But in Japanese, Arabian, and non western cultures view women's lives as one that is subservient to men and that they are lesser men. Like, "a woman is weak and must be protected, she needs a smart man to guide her", similar to your usual trad ideology. Men don't envy that position and thus they don't fetishize the role of a woman as much. Some Western men do want to be in that position, but they don't realize that the western women around them don't experience that. They're imitating what they think women experience. It's misogyny folded in on itself.Well, there's some information that I would like to purge from my brain.
Do you have a theory as to why Western men are so affected by this stuff? Japan creates this shit but they don't have an AGP pandemic; and the Arab world has been getting into anime and manga hardcore in the last two decades, young men first of course, and they don't seem to end up as AGPs. Yet as soon as an American programmer gets his hands on this shit it's all over. What gives?
as far as im aware all 'mens rights activists' are pretty hard right wingers and thus trans exclusionary by default (they're also dumb clowns as well but thats besides the point here)Patiently waiting for the men's rights activist equivalent of a terf to become a thing.
Oddly enough, I've seen MRA's on the subreddit completely accept FTM's as "real men" but they're awfully quiet about the gay men being harassed and mocked by Aidans for not wanting to have sex with them.as far as im aware all 'mens rights activists' are pretty hard right wingers and thus trans exclusionary by default (they're also dumb clowns as well but thats besides the point here)
also in my opinion it doesnt really make sense to compare them to terfs (or feminists in general) regarding the tranny situation because normal men dont suffer from female trannies at all. ftms tend to be completely disinterested in integrating with normal men, they usually stick to other lgbt in terms of who they hang out with. and unlike mtfs creeping on women, ftms couldn't harm a man even if they wanted, if they tried they'd get beat up and they know it.
tl;dr female trannies are a non issue for men and don't do anything
i dont think mras consider faggots to be real men in the first place so no surprise they dont give a shit about their intra lgbt dramaOddly enough, I've seen MRA's on the subreddit completely accept FTM's as "real men" but they're awfully quiet about the gay men being harassed and mocked by Aidans for not wanting to have sex with them.
I second this; Bailey et al also touch on this. The environment of the “West” previously has become a lot more accepting, a gradual change with the decline of prudishness tied to the loss of face for unseemly or deemed degenerate behaviour.Because this shit is linked to human rights in the West and the West only. This emboldens AGPs and they can call people who laugh "bigots" and "nazis". Any AGPs outside the West must keep their fetish secret, or they can expect heaps of ridicule with zero sympathy.
So, to summarize, they took "man" and "woman" so we had to resort to "male" and "female", then they took those as well and stole "amab" and "afab" from intersex to replace them.
Flashforward, you are looking at an "amab cis-woman".
Words don't mean anything anymore in the trannyland.
This kid has one foot in troon wonderland and the other in reality. The mistake he made is that he posted this on MTF where older trannies groom younger ones. The comments are probably like
Didn't realise we were getting a Netflix adaptation of Junji Ito's work.Middle-aged troon sperged on twitter and it's hilarious.
https://twitter.com/CateSpice
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Didn't realise we were getting a Netflix adaptation of Junji Ito's work.
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In other news, I saw this on Twitter today. I personally am all for it; imagine the complete anarchy when absolutely everyone refuses to fuck the troon contestants:
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Well that individual may not be wrong now, would he? They concern themselves with reaching a large audience and preferably the option to air the show elsewhere abroad. So for the latter quite a few large countries and even continents are out. For the former it depends how keen a population at large, which will be largely heterosexual, will be. Personally I think people enjoy the drama, sexual tension. If hetero's male proclivity for consuming sexual content involving "lesbians" is an indication than having similar looking contestants it may do very well, but "Fuck that shit LMAO" if you are going to get regular neon coloured, testosterone chugging woke chode clams. Likewise young females seem to dig a certain fantasy of gay males, but if you are going to fill it with Amy Petrelli and Grave Lavery dead ringers than "Lol, just no".In other news, I saw this on Twitter today. I personally am all for it; imagine the complete anarchy when absolutely everyone refuses to fuck the troon contestants:
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Super late but the number of black women caping for troons out one side of their mouth and castigating men out of the other side never ceases to blow my fucking mind.Nigerian writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie penned a blistering essay (archive) about the two-faced hacks who tried to cancel her for declining to parrot Trans Women Are Women in 2017. It was the mildest, most milquetoast take, not exclusionary in the least, just sensible to the reality of socialization:
Common sense shit. But she spoke her mind rather than the mantras, so that was TOO MUCH and they smacked her with the TERF sticker.
Now she's thrown another match into the fire. Her new essay covers her experiences with two young people, both of whom once attended her writing workshop: first, a woman who insinuated herself into Adichie's life, striking up a friendship, even staying in her home, only to drag her name through the mud on social media; and second, a they/them "this person" who grifted off their proximity to Adichie while calling her a murderer online. (Per Twitter, #1 is Timehin Adegbeye. #2 is Akwaeke Emezi, a self-described ogbanje who got a breast reduction and a hysterectomy to align her vessel with her spirit nature.) Adichie reads them for filth. Throws the brutal light of truth on their self-righteous ugliness. The whole thing deserves attention, but this is the biggest punch:
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Anyway, Twitter is seething.
And of course, the age-old classic:
I dunno, black women tend to be a hell of a lot more based than their white counterparts. Lipstick Alley is fucking brutal to troons.Super late but the number of black women caping for troons out one side of their mouth and castigating men out of the other side never ceases to blow my fucking mind.
I'll add my theory too.Well, there's some information that I would like to purge from my brain.
Do you have a theory as to why Western men are so affected by this stuff? Japan creates this shit but they don't have an AGP pandemic; and the Arab world has been getting into anime and manga hardcore in the last two decades, young men first of course, and they don't seem to end up as AGPs. Yet as soon as an American programmer gets his hands on this shit it's all over. What gives?