Wow. Congratulations on demonstrating that you didn't read a single word of what I posted, or at the very least that everything I posted flew over your head at high speed.
- Your literally argued: "Dave Filoni is a fan of the EU because he included Delta Squad, Thrawn and the Black Sun!!!1!"
- My argument: "Dave Filoni is a fake fan at best, since his inclusion of those characters are for base, surface-level cameos at best or a complete misunderstanding of them at worst."
- Your rebuttal: "But DON'T YOU SEE? Dave Filoni is a fan of the EU because he included Delta Squad, Thrawn and the Black Sun!!!1!"
You missed the entire point of what I was arguing. It doesn't
matter if he includes shit from the EU, what matters is
how he uses them, how he fleshes them out or demonstrates his narrative understanding of them...something he consistently fails at, with Thrawn being the most glaring example.
Maybe pause, collective yourself from sweating and huffing, put down the Ahsoka body pillow, and use your eyes to actually read what I post next time.
Again, congratulations on completely missing the point.
I'm not asking for Filoni or anyone else to be some kind of new age scholar of every facet of the EU--just that he knows enough about the characters he's using to get them right. If you're going to use Thrawn, it shouldn't be a special order that his behavior and character traits match his depiction in the EU, or at the very least Zahn's current novels.
It's painfully simple. But like every other Filoni Fanboy, you're making it seem like a mountainous request too daunting for any mortal, because you can't ascribe any flaws to your overlord's creative process.
Haden Blackman was not involved with the bulk of
Force Unleashed II's writing, having left early in production and relegating the script to be haphazardly finished as the game entered a rushed development phase, during which the new writers shoved in whatever cameos they could to salvage the game's trashfire story.
They did that because they were pressed for time, and due to corporate management breathing down his back. Filoni does it because he's incapable of doing anything else.
What kind of fucking retarded defense is this?
"Yeah, Filoni's making the galaxy smaller by having the same gaggle of assholes meet each other in every project he works on, and is routinely subjecting the continuity to a creative stranglehold due to his unwillingness to create new characters and break his fanservice formula in favor of the story's quality....but it's just a creative quirk that you have to deal with, okay?"
I honestly can't believe you're dying on this hill, especially when the kind of fanservice Filoni includes is almost always detrimental to the story. I want you to sit there, and apply this argument to every stupid thing he's ever done: Reversing time and space to have Ahoska survive. Making the Jedi Order seem like utter retards in order to morally lionize Ahsoka during the Siege of Mandalore. Bulldozing over Kanan's origins for an abhorrently-inferior version that gives all the spotlight to the Bad Batch.
Are you seriously going to sit there, and fucking defend all of those things on the grounds of: "W-Well, the fans like seeing these characters turn up everywhere, so it's okay that Filoni defiles the continuity!!!!1!"
You're talking about Filoni's creative habits like he's a three-year-old who can't help himself when he pisses on the preschool carpet, and not a full-grown man who has every opportunity not to recycle the same eight characters or plot formula over and over again. More to the point, I am less than fucking interested in how many "fans" enjoy his approach, or your desperate appeal to majority in your argument. What the majority likes doesn't automatically equal quality...I'm certain there's hordes of fans like the
50 Shades-tier Reylo romance in the ST. That doesn't magically make it good or well-written. Likewise, just because an army of manchildren who clapped like trained seals and enter euphoric levels of soy-mouthed ecstasy at fanservice fests like
Blandalorian and
Rebels doesn't elevate them from the shittacular writing that plagues every episode. I'm sure you and plenty of others are ready to overlook every stupid thing Filoni does to keep Ahsoka alive or have his Bad Batch OC's save the day, but the rest of us aren't.
The fact that you're ready to hand-wave Filoni's worst creative impulses, and even
applaud and defend them on the grounds of how many manchildren he pleases, is fucking astounding.
Say hello to your sub-level standards rotting at the bottom of the Earth's core for me.
So much of a fan that he can't even be bothered to get the few EU characters he includes right at all.
Again, pitifully-low standards for what can be classified as the actions of a "true fan."
So it's okay if the story suffers but the right legion of autists are placated, and Disney makes the money they need to.
Man, I would love for you to apply the same logic to J.J. Abrams or Rian Johnson: "They brought back the OT Heroes, that's all that matters! Who cares if they didn't get those characters right, and completely butchered them? It's a goldmine for Disney, and normies flip out everytime they see Mark Hamill or Harrison Ford on-screen, which means more money for Disney."
Seriously, do you get all your defensive arguments from the red-faced shills on the Star Wars Subreddit? Because that's the quality of these responses.
Really? I couldn't tell. It's extremely subtle.
Make no mistake: I don't think Filoni is the epitome of all that is creatively wrong with Disney/LFL. I don't even really hate TCW.
I've just grown more willing to critique his creative decisions, especially on subsequent projects like
Rebels, Blando, and
Bad Batch, where his worst creative impulses are going unchecked, and are causing more damage than they ever did under Lucas. I don't think that's a very unreasonable stance to take, especially when his decisions are actively wrecking Disney's
own canon, and not just the EU. You don't have to love or hate TCW to bring up these faults against him. In fact, with the way other creators are getting away with vandalizing the EU in the current canon, it would intellectually dishonest to give Filoni a free pass, especially when he does it in service of painfully-uninspired and formulaic dreck like
Blando and
Bad Batch.
And by the way, just an amusing observation: you can claim that you only like TCW in passing and that it's a "good way to kill an afternoon", but the startling frequency that you're willing to leap to Filoni's defense and gleefully devour his linguini cock to better defend his merits suggests otherwise. It's funny how despite me having no particular hatred of TCW or Filoni, but still open to criticize him and the cult of fans around him, you're magically there in capeshit attire to tirelessly defend him in a small wall of text.
"B-But I'm only a casual fan of TCW, guise...honest." Sure, Jan. Whatever.
1. There are ways to write cartoons for children that absolutely trounce Filoni's efforts on TCW, and are blissfully free of his overly-simplified, juvenile writing and ceaseless cameo fodder.
2. Again? This is the defense you're going with? "Durr hurr, the current fandom is largely made up of manchildren, so let the current projects suffer as they placate that audience--all that matters is that Disney makes their money."
You know, just a short while ago, I had a spat with some RLM Sperg who was trying to convince me that Stoklasa and his cabal of Lard Men weren't completely wrong in their assessment of the Abrams Star Trek films...and you know what his constant defense was? "The normies ate it up and made Paramount money, so your argument is invalid."
If normie appeal and financial gain are your only means of justifying the writing impulses of a complete hack, then you can't criticize any mildly successful part of the new Star Wars lore. Don't like how TFA was handled? Doesn't matter---it made money, and normies like it. Don't like that
Fallen Order was a vapid, uninspired piece of trash? Doesn't matter--normies ate that shit up, and EA made a nice profit. Don't like
High Republic being concentrated ass? Doesn't matter--it reached the bestseller lists and the manchildren in the reading community like it.
It's funny as fuck that you're in this thread, complaining about all the harm that Disney does to SW, when your mentality is the
exact kind of limp-wristed hand-waving that they're banking off of.
TL ; DR
Your response was a long-winded and autistic way of saying that "Bastardiazing and retconning the EU is totally okay, as long as it provides dangles enough keys for manchildren and guarantees a profit...oh, and if Filoni is the one who does it."
Tell you what:
War of the Bounty Hunters is going on, and the Aphra comic where the writers will almost certainly butcher Durge and have her river-dance on his corpse is almost upon us. Now, by the incredibly-generous standard you've offered to Filoni, it doesn't matter how they misunderstand or completely ruin Durge's character. His inclusion guarantees that they're fans of the EU---since including that character is the only criteria for someone being a fan, not how they're used narratively.
If Filoni could do it with Thrawn, these comic writers can do it with Durge. This is the pathetically-low standard you've created. Enjoy it.
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