Ethan Klein / h3h3Productions - Opportunistic, two-faced e-celeb sperg with a penchant for hypocrisy and an Oedipus complex; sold out to Susan Wojcicki, the incompetent CEO of YouTube

[Oops]

While Crowder is obviously a huge fucking idiot in a general sense, Ethan looks like a total dork trying to pull the wool over Crowders eyes by surprising him with Sam.
Borderline manipulative tactic because Ethan makes Crowder look like an idiot, which appeases his lefty audience, but completely undermines the cowardice of Ethan by surprising Crowder with someone who is actually intelligent.
You can't just schedule a boxing match then be told last second that someone else is fighting you. Doesn't make any sense and it's totally unfair. Ethans brainlet subscribers can't even bother to realize how spineless and cowardly of a move it was for Ethan to do.
Pure dumbassery all around, and to add to Ethans condescending and greedy attitude, he tries to sell the clip as actually "debating" Crowder, which is obviously completely false.

 

[Josterman]

While Crowder is obviously a huge fucking idiot in a general sense, Ethan looks like a total dork trying to pull the wool over Crowders eyes by surprising him with Sam.
Borderline manipulative tactic because Ethan makes Crowder look like an idiot, which appeases his lefty audience, but completely undermines the cowardice of Ethan by surprising Crowder with someone who is actually intelligent.
You can't just schedule a boxing match then be told last second that someone else is fighting you. Doesn't make any sense and it's totally unfair. Ethans brainlet subscribers can't even bother to realize how spineless and cowardly of a move it was for Ethan to do.
Pure dumbassery all around, and to add to Ethans condescending and greedy attitude, he tries to sell the clip as actually "debating" Crowder, which is obviously completely false.

It was basically cheating and lying to crowder both are hate-able including Sam for doing this

 

[Ragnarlodbrok]

Ethan lost hard but Crowder didnt win. He should have known Ethans entire game is to get you deplatformed and call you a racist.

While Crowder is obviously a huge fucking idiot in a general sense, Ethan looks like a total dork trying to pull the wool over Crowders eyes by surprising him with Sam.
Borderline manipulative tactic because Ethan makes Crowder look like an idiot, which appeases his lefty audience, but completely undermines the cowardice of Ethan by surprising Crowder with someone who is actually intelligent.
You can't just schedule a boxing match then be told last second that someone else is fighting you. Doesn't make any sense and it's totally unfair. Ethans brainlet subscribers can't even bother to realize how spineless and cowardly of a move it was for Ethan to do.
Pure dumbassery all around, and to add to Ethans condescending and greedy attitude, he tries to sell the clip as actually "debating" Crowder, which is obviously completely false.

I wouldnt call Sam Seeder intelligent the reason Ethan picked Sam is cause he knew Crowder wasnt interested in talking to him.

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Yes of course he is avoiding Sam seeder. I watched 2 videos yesterday of Sams and it was all about calling him racist and saying that he should be canceled. Sam seeder and his crownies have a burning hatred for Crowder and there is very little to win with debating him. It even shows that hes so desperate to meet with Crowder that he would dance in the pale moonlight with Ethan.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

If Crowder is there to debate masks/Fauci/vaccines why does it matter who he goes up against though? Crowder comes off like a total pussy ass bitch in this situation imo. H3 just comes off as unprofessional... but given their content that shouldn't be surprising.

Yeah, why would Crowder have any issue with the guy rewarding his good faith gesture by ambushing him with a 2-on-1? It boggles the mind. I wouldn't want to have to put up with 2 smug internet lefties live at the same time either.

 

[waffle]

Crowder is currently addressing the h3 shit. So far it almost feels like he's been reading the thread lol.

Claims to have additional footage.

 

[Mister Rogers]

Yeah, why would Crowder have any issue with the guy rewarding his good faith gesture by ambushing him with a 2-on-1? It boggles the mind. I wouldn't want to have to put up with 2 smug internet lefties live at the same time either.

Yeah, completely understandable, though I do wish Crowder had just said “oh so it’s 2 on 1? Ok” and then just calmly debated them. He would have been fine, Seder is no debate god and is actually kind of cringe and irritating. And Ethan is, well... Ethan.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Crowder is currently addressing the h3 shit. So far it almost feels like he's been reading the thread lol.

Claims to have additional footage.

Here is the livestream.

 

[Red_Cap]

Literally who even is Sam Seder. I've honestly never heard the name before I saw Crowder tending on twitter.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Literally who even is Sam Seder. I've honestly never heard the name before I saw Crowder tending on twitter.

He used to be a contributor on MSNBC and is part of the whole Ring of Fire and TYT Progressive Network groups.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Tell me who you think won in this "debate" and I'll tell you what your political affiliation is.

 

[Near]

I do love the poisoning the well tactic H3 uses in the first 10 minutes of the video. Even if Crowder is a retard, and his completely irrational fear of some dude made him look like he took a giant L, this is just such sleazy jewish behavior.

 

[quickthrowaway]

Crowder is showing off some correspondence between the two camps.





He also showed some minutes before the "debate." Ethan and Crowder were having a fairly decent pre debate conversation. Explains a lot why he got so hot and bothered.

 

[kiwiburgerplanet]

You're missing the point. If you hire someone, or in the case of the topic send a rebuttal debate against a slob who started the whole spergfest, and they try giving you someone else's effort because they can't be arsed to do anything themselves, then why bother paying them any time?


The debate wasn't about politics. The prose timeline is that Ethan claimed Crowder doesn't know what he's talking about on the WuFlu since he's not a doctor, so after some shit-flinging on both sides, Crowder on camera offered Ethan and Ethan alone (key fucking word there) after Ethan "allegedly" lied about Crowder reaching out to him earlier a chance to debate over the Ethan's opinions on Crowder's words, stance on the WuFlu and ability research his talking points. By bringing Seder in to a one on one debate, Ethan showed he's far more of a coward than Crowder because he couldn't even attempt to defend his own fucking words. Any rational person, regardless of their opinion on either person, can see this as Ethan being spineless. Yes, Crowder was in the wrong to get angry on cam about it, but he is in the right to walk off since Ethan couldn't follow the simple request of doing a one on one to fight or defend his own ideas. You know. The very thing Crowder didn't do or get to do.

Look man hiring someone vs debating someone are two different things.

The debate was about the virus though. Which has been politicized so it is a political debate.

> Crowder on camera offered Ethan and Ethan alone (key fucking word there) after Ethan "allegedly" lied about Crowder reaching out to him earlier a chance to debate over the Ethan's opinions on Crowder's words, stance on the WuFlu and ability research his talking points.

Fair point. Mine would be this Ethan's response which was he is not as smart or knowledgeable. Now other than that Crowder didn't handle himself well at all. His main point was I wanted to debate you! But he never rebutted Ethan's point which was hey, I'm not knowledgeable or smart. His rebuttal against sam was he had more subs, which is pathetic. At the end of the day I don't see anything wrong with what Ethan did. He is conceding he is a lay person. I do see Crowder as being a coward and just a sad joke really. His fucking shirt even said fight like hell. That is hilarious.

I think context is important too, this is not the first time Stephen reached out to Ethan, which Ethan just proved. You may have missed that. He also ran away from sam at a scheduled debate. If you've accepted an offer to debate and you pussy out I think that's worst (and I don't think what Ethan did was worst). He also pussied out earlier when he suspected Sam might pop up.

Going back to context too, Crowder doesn't debate he doesn't have conversations. He picks on freshly graduated high school kids, and he takes down any video that makes him look bad. IMO that makes crowder far worse. He is a coward. His whole image is fake. I think he should have a thread dedicated to him.

 

[FamicomGorby]

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Pretty sure the guy making these thumbnails is a lowkey Ethan hater, lol.

I haven't really paid much attention to h3h3 after they switched from making videos to doing their shitty podcast, holy hell Ethan looks worse than ever.

 

[LolRaccoon]

This whole thing just continues to show me how much of a massive cunt Ethan is.

 

[+MarkOuttaBat+]

Lol, everyone in this scenario is a POS.

Ethan for (again) being a dishonest piece of shit not telling Crowder before hand about Stephen.

Stephen for just jumping in and dog piling on a already one sided "debate" (If you can call autistic yelling and reeee-ing about racism a debate)

And Crowder for being a fake intellectual who only debates college students for clout.

 

[Red_Cap]

He used to be a contributor on MSNBC and is part of the whole Ring of Fire and TYT Progressive Network groups.

Is he in any way known for political debate? Why does Ethan think bringing this guy on is such an own? People are gonna interpret Crowder's walk-out as a reasonable or unreasonable depending on what they think of him. I just remember the way people thought of Jim like some bloodsports heavyweight, and wonder where it's possibly coming from with this guy

 

[Abby]

Is he in any way known for political debate? Why does Ethan think bringing this guy on is such an own? People are gonna interpret Crowder's walk-out as a reasonable or unreasonable depending on what they think of him. I just remember the way people thought of Jim like some bloodsports heavyweight, and wonder where it's possibly coming from with this guy

Crowder has backed out of debating Seder twice before this. This is where the "Cold Shoes Crowder" and "Debate Sam Seder" memes come from. Seder has a political Youtube show and I think he used to have a radio show too. I think one of H3's employees is a fan.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

I think context is important too, this is not the first time Stephen reached out to Ethan, which Ethan just proved. You may have missed that. He also ran away from sam at a scheduled debate. If you've accepted an offer to debate and you pussy out I think that's worst (and I don't think what Ethan did was worst). He also pussied out earlier when he suspected Sam might pop up.

Going back to context too, Crowder doesn't debate he doesn't have conversations. He picks on freshly graduated high school kids, and he takes down any video that makes him look bad. IMO that makes crowder far worse. He is a coward. His whole image is fake. I think he should have a thread dedicated to him.

Honestly, if Ethan had just been up front about bringing on a +1 with actual experience discussing politics that may have mattered. I wouldn't want to bring on someone for an adult conversation only for them to dump their hyperactive 8 year old on me. Doubly so for Crowder, considering one slip of the tongue could provide Youtube with an excuse to delete his channel.

Is he in any way known for political debate? Why does Ethan think bringing this guy on is such an own? People are gonna interpret Crowder's walk-out as a reasonable or unreasonable depending on what they think of him. I just remember the way people thought of Jim like some bloodsports heavyweight, and wonder where it's possibly coming from with this guy

I don't think Ethan or his current fanbase care about whether Ethan was in the right. Ethan is, so far as I can tell, selling himself as some sort of master troll for having no integrity.

 

[Übertroon]

And Crowder for being a fake intellectual who only debates college students for clout.

Ethan is a lot of horrible things, but college student is not one of them