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This fucker isn't even trying. Apparently he's decided the people pushing this bullshit lie are so fucking stupid he can just openly do shit like this and they'll still keep shrieking that we're super guilty of mega murder.
The Great Twitter Meltdown of 2021 - Emulator creator Byuu bullied to death by HateSpeech™ forum, Twitter takes up arms (Still No Death Report)
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pip pip oy guv'na we got a wanker it's a fair cop
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Now that the site is back up, amending some of this as this "David Kirk Ginter" mentioned previously here doesn't have squat on the internet that I've been able to find about them. A search of their name only pulls up this thread. It's odd since most people have much more than that - even if most of the hits are just coming from data mining and scamming sites that aggregate information.
I also might be late to this, but about a year ago Near also tried to DFE and "retired" from emulating. A user on Reddit made a post about it which was just a link to Near's blogpost to r/emulation which got about 500 upvotes and 150 comments. It's still up, although the link to Near's site itself is dead.
The OP never posted in the thread itself after just posting the link. They also never corrected any of the commenters who seemed to be under the impression that they themselves were Near. The whole thing just seemed off to me. Their comment history on other threads shows they only lived about 40 minutes from Columbus at the time. I don't think it is Near, and it might be a reach but it does seem like something to keep an eye on as they may possibly be an IRL friend or connection. I don't put it past Near to have friends post on their behalf especially if they had already deactivated their own Reddit account at the time.
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That forehead shares a similar M looking shape
the left pic has direct light which makes it even more disgusting
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>Josh left a sign off in his statement about Near about how much he loves the jews and Israel when the site was down during DDOS hours
>Now the site is back up and the new message has it cut out
curious Mr.moon curious
also the death note logo for this thread was a very nice touch
>Now the site is back up and the new message has it cut out
curious Mr.moon curious
also the death note logo for this thread was a very nice touch
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R.I.P, there are no winner reacts here
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It's not "Ginter", it's "Ginder". Searches for stuff like "David Ginder" or "David K. Ginder" do bring up a few record pages that prove that at the very least this person exists.Now that the site is back up, amending some of this as this "David Kirk Ginter" mentioned previously here doesn't have squat on the internet that I've been able to find about them. A search of their name only pulls up this thread. It's odd since most people have much more than that - even if most of the hits are just coming from data mining and scamming sites that aggregate information.
I also might be late to this, but about a year ago Near also tried to DFE and "retired" from emulating. A user on Reddit made a post about it which was just a link to Near's blogpost to r/emulation which got about 500 upvotes and 150 comments. It's still up, although the link to Near's site itself is dead.
The OP never posted in the thread itself after just posting the link. They also never corrected any of the commenters who seemed to be under the impression that they themselves were Near. The whole thing just seemed off to me. Their comment history on other threads shows they only lived about 40 minutes from Columbus at the time. I don't think it is Near, and it might be a reach but it does seem like something to keep an eye on as they may possibly be an IRL friend or connection. I don't put it past Near to have friends post on their behalf especially if they had already deactivated their own Reddit account at the time.
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David Kirk Gender?
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Lul wat. How is having an account more cowardly?
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Nears acct is still up (created december 2020)
If that byuu (locked ATLEAST december 2020) account IS real, this might have been a thing in the making for a while
their Github only has the repos for the emulators, and was made in march 23rd 2021, and archived on may 16th 2021
wouldnt you have something like that up for QUITE A LOT longer then a month especially since it was "the first snes emualtor"?
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My whole 2 cents on the thing is that Byuu/Near/David is "dead", but the person formally known as Byuu/Near/David, is very much alive, he just left the scene in the biggest way possible, and somehow KF got thrown under the bus
Besides the obvious troll "+1 KF KC" posts, and the very few and far between "I'm glad he's dead", twitter has been A LOT worse in this whole situation (water is wet), so that shows their double standards like a fucking golden turd on a pedestal
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Don't know if this was posted but some faggot named Patrick wrote a vice article.
Over several weeks of reporting, I came to know a person of immense talent who was also in constant, undeniable pain at the hands of the internet.
If you or someone you know is in crisis, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255, text TALK to 741741, or visit https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org for more information.
There is no modern gaming emulation scene without Near, the programmer responsible for the historic bsnes emulator, which prized accuracy over performance. Near, who previously went by byuu online, wanted to preserve history.
On Monday morning, hacker and security engineer Hector "Marcan" Martin said he'd been in contact with the police department in charge of investigating the incident, confirming Near passed away sometime on June 27. Waypoint has been unable to independently verify this information.
Over the weekend, Near published a series of tweets implying a desire to end their own life after a targeted campaign of harassment by members of Kiwi Farms, the notoriously toxic message board forum whose members regularly engage in harassment campaigns. Kiwi Farms later, while under a DDoS attack that's briefly taken the site down, released a statement saying it had nothing to do with Near's death. The statement also said that some of the harassment Near mentioned happened on other platforms that its administrator says they cannot control.
"Every single person involved/aware did their best to save Near's life at every point in time given the information they had access to at the time," said Martin on Twitter. "We failed."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvx...ourney-to-localize-the-obscure-bahamut-lagoon
Near's weekend tweets, which remain online as of this writing, began with a simple declaration: "I've never been able to smile." Near went on to reveal and explain a lifetime of harassment and abuse that's lasted "from my earliest grade school memories to now."
It's frequently difficult to point to a single cause that leads a person to kill themselves, and Near's problems started years ago. But the harassment that Near received recently has started a conversation about mental health and harassment, causing many to wonder what they could have done differently to support them.
As bad as the past was, Near said that Kiwi Farms "made the harassment orders of magnitude worse," as the doxing forum attacked Near for the mere fact of being autistic, and using the threat of doxing those they cared about as a means of eliciting a reaction. The harassment ultimately put Near into a place where panic attacks were frequent, with every day being full of "dread and worry."
I had the pleasure of writing a lengthy profile of Near this year, the result of several weeks of email communications with them, after Near released the conclusion of a 23-year journey in developing their own localization of Bahamut Lagoon, an old Squaresoft JRPG. It was a quest that started when they were 15 years old, and concluded when they were nearly 40.
(A side note about that story: it was written with he/him pronouns because that's what Near told me to use. Since then, it appears Near identified as nonbinary and used they/them pronouns. The story has been updated to reflect these changes since publication.)
"Perfection is a funny thing," Near told me during one of our many back-and-forth conversations. "It's an ideal you can chase to your grave and never attain.”
I've written a lot of stories over the years, especially stories that fall in the bucket of person-working-on-niche-thing-for-many-years. It brings me great joy to try and translate the passions of frequently overlooked figures to a wider audience. I don't know that I've written a story that challenged me the same way this one did, as I tried to understand the hard and confusing work of a programmer, so I could help others appreciate all that hard work, too.
A GRAPHIC NEAR ADDED TO THE END OF BAHAMUT LAGOON.
Near was patient with their time, kind enough to walk me through everything step by step, and tolerant when I'd respond to hundreds of words with a blank stare and more questions.
"Ooooh excellent questions!" they wrote one time, when I asked them to explain what a "patching assembler" was, before they went on to write more than 1,000 words on the topic.
There was a point in that process where I asked Near about a subject we were dancing around: why was the year 2020 so traumatic? COVID-19 was ongoing and a source of anxiety, but it was clear that wasn't the whole story. That's when Near opened up about Kiwi Farms, the forum's harassment campaign, and the endless harm it had caused. I told Near that it would be hard to write a story about their life without, on some level, touching upon this, but I would only proceed in a way that made them comfortable and would not elevate the still-ongoing harassment. In the beginning, Near was reluctant and was not interested.
"I'm sorry, I shouldn't have opened that door," Near wrote back to me in February.
In response, I opened up about my own experiences with doxing and places like Kiwi Farms. How my online presence has, time and again, impacted my mental health and made me worried about how simply knowing me can have consequences for others in my life.
I cannot overstate the depth of pain in Near's words that followed. Reading it now, I cannot get through most of the emails without tears, knowing the end result only a few months later. This was an individual failed by society's inability to reckon with and enact consequences for the internet's worst elements, and history suggests they will not be the final victim, either.
This was a person who wanted to live and thrive, but found themselves constantly struggling under the weight of intense forces beyond their control and without obvious means of pushing back against the tidal wave of harassment sent at them.
One of the last steps in the process of writing that piece was running a few details about the harassment by Near. I wanted to make sure that we were on the same page. The story ended up very well received, and Near seemed happy.
After it went live, Near, as meticulous as ever, sent me a series of tiny corrections. It was very much appreciated, and if that was the most I got wrong, I felt like I'd passed a test. I asked Near to keep in touch, and to let me know if they got up to anything more interesting.
Near told me they were hoping to lead an even more private life. The less online, the less likely the harassment would rear its head and cause more strife. Near seemed optimistic about the future. I was optimistic for their future, too, as much as a relative stranger can be.
"It'll mostly be emulation stuff from here on out, but if something's particularly interesting," said Near. "I'll let you know."
The next time I would think about Near would be this Saturday night, as I settled into bed. I briefly looked at Twitter, upon which I found a number of people contacting me about Near, wondering if I could get in touch with them. The concerning tweets had gone out, and at the time, there was still optimism that the tragic fate suggested in them could maybe be avoided.
I only had an email address for Near, and so I wrote a quick note, hoping against hope.
"Hey, I saw your tweets, and I’m really concerned," I wrote at 12:06 am on Saturday night. "Are you okay? What can I do to help?"
I never heard back. My heart breaks, and you're left with the question of: "OK, what now?"
Kiwi Farms has, so far, proven unshakable because the nature of the web makes taking anything down difficult. The platform was last in the news for hosting and refusing to take down videos of the 2019 Christchurch mass shooting in New Zealand that left 51 dead and injured 41 more. New Zealand ISPs ended up blocking Kiwi Farms, but that does little for the rest of the world.
"Near did not commit suicide," wrote an anonymous friend of Near, whose story was shared by the aforementioned hacker Hector Martin. "Near was murdered. Victim of a lifetime of harassment. After an abusive childhood, and followed by community toxicity, Near was eventually targeted by Kiwi Farms. Members of that website make a sport of preying on the less fortunate, on those in positions liable to being emotionally abused. And they do so relentlessly. From the comfort of anonymity, of sitting in front of their computer thousands of kilometers away, they take glee in slowly destroying the psyche of others, bit by bit. To death, if possible."
That same friend called on places like DreamHost, the domain registrar of Kiwi Farms, and Cloudflare, a service for preventing DDoS attacks, to take action. Cloudflare did not respond to a request for comment to Waypoint, but DreamHost did. The company said it was the registrar for Kiwi Farms, but said it does "not host this website or its content on our servers."
A company representative said Kiwi Farms uses Cloudfare's technology to hide its actual hosting company, but offered to "review and forward any abuse reports submitted at https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse to the site's current web host and website owner."
The catch-22 here, of course, is that DreamHost is explicitly promising that another company will forward your report of abuse to the owner of a website whose entire purpose is to enact abuse. Even going through the motions of attempting to report Kiwi Farms could open people to harassment.
DreamHost also recommended people contact the FBI, and said it works "regularly with law enforcement on a variety of issues pertaining to user-generated content."
That might be true, but Kiwi Farms is still alive and Near is dead.
"The internet is not a game," wrote Near. "It's real life. I'm a real person. This stuff really hurts."
If you or someone you know is in crisis, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 800-273-8255, text TALK to 741741, or visit https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org for more information.
There is no modern gaming emulation scene without Near, the programmer responsible for the historic bsnes emulator, which prized accuracy over performance. Near, who previously went by byuu online, wanted to preserve history.
On Monday morning, hacker and security engineer Hector "Marcan" Martin said he'd been in contact with the police department in charge of investigating the incident, confirming Near passed away sometime on June 27. Waypoint has been unable to independently verify this information.
Over the weekend, Near published a series of tweets implying a desire to end their own life after a targeted campaign of harassment by members of Kiwi Farms, the notoriously toxic message board forum whose members regularly engage in harassment campaigns. Kiwi Farms later, while under a DDoS attack that's briefly taken the site down, released a statement saying it had nothing to do with Near's death. The statement also said that some of the harassment Near mentioned happened on other platforms that its administrator says they cannot control.
"Every single person involved/aware did their best to save Near's life at every point in time given the information they had access to at the time," said Martin on Twitter. "We failed."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvx...ourney-to-localize-the-obscure-bahamut-lagoon
Near's weekend tweets, which remain online as of this writing, began with a simple declaration: "I've never been able to smile." Near went on to reveal and explain a lifetime of harassment and abuse that's lasted "from my earliest grade school memories to now."
It's frequently difficult to point to a single cause that leads a person to kill themselves, and Near's problems started years ago. But the harassment that Near received recently has started a conversation about mental health and harassment, causing many to wonder what they could have done differently to support them.
As bad as the past was, Near said that Kiwi Farms "made the harassment orders of magnitude worse," as the doxing forum attacked Near for the mere fact of being autistic, and using the threat of doxing those they cared about as a means of eliciting a reaction. The harassment ultimately put Near into a place where panic attacks were frequent, with every day being full of "dread and worry."
I had the pleasure of writing a lengthy profile of Near this year, the result of several weeks of email communications with them, after Near released the conclusion of a 23-year journey in developing their own localization of Bahamut Lagoon, an old Squaresoft JRPG. It was a quest that started when they were 15 years old, and concluded when they were nearly 40.
(A side note about that story: it was written with he/him pronouns because that's what Near told me to use. Since then, it appears Near identified as nonbinary and used they/them pronouns. The story has been updated to reflect these changes since publication.)
"Perfection is a funny thing," Near told me during one of our many back-and-forth conversations. "It's an ideal you can chase to your grave and never attain.”
I've written a lot of stories over the years, especially stories that fall in the bucket of person-working-on-niche-thing-for-many-years. It brings me great joy to try and translate the passions of frequently overlooked figures to a wider audience. I don't know that I've written a story that challenged me the same way this one did, as I tried to understand the hard and confusing work of a programmer, so I could help others appreciate all that hard work, too.
A GRAPHIC NEAR ADDED TO THE END OF BAHAMUT LAGOON.
Near was patient with their time, kind enough to walk me through everything step by step, and tolerant when I'd respond to hundreds of words with a blank stare and more questions.
"Ooooh excellent questions!" they wrote one time, when I asked them to explain what a "patching assembler" was, before they went on to write more than 1,000 words on the topic.
There was a point in that process where I asked Near about a subject we were dancing around: why was the year 2020 so traumatic? COVID-19 was ongoing and a source of anxiety, but it was clear that wasn't the whole story. That's when Near opened up about Kiwi Farms, the forum's harassment campaign, and the endless harm it had caused. I told Near that it would be hard to write a story about their life without, on some level, touching upon this, but I would only proceed in a way that made them comfortable and would not elevate the still-ongoing harassment. In the beginning, Near was reluctant and was not interested.
"I'm sorry, I shouldn't have opened that door," Near wrote back to me in February.
In response, I opened up about my own experiences with doxing and places like Kiwi Farms. How my online presence has, time and again, impacted my mental health and made me worried about how simply knowing me can have consequences for others in my life.
I cannot overstate the depth of pain in Near's words that followed. Reading it now, I cannot get through most of the emails without tears, knowing the end result only a few months later. This was an individual failed by society's inability to reckon with and enact consequences for the internet's worst elements, and history suggests they will not be the final victim, either.
This was a person who wanted to live and thrive, but found themselves constantly struggling under the weight of intense forces beyond their control and without obvious means of pushing back against the tidal wave of harassment sent at them.
One of the last steps in the process of writing that piece was running a few details about the harassment by Near. I wanted to make sure that we were on the same page. The story ended up very well received, and Near seemed happy.
After it went live, Near, as meticulous as ever, sent me a series of tiny corrections. It was very much appreciated, and if that was the most I got wrong, I felt like I'd passed a test. I asked Near to keep in touch, and to let me know if they got up to anything more interesting.
Near told me they were hoping to lead an even more private life. The less online, the less likely the harassment would rear its head and cause more strife. Near seemed optimistic about the future. I was optimistic for their future, too, as much as a relative stranger can be.
"It'll mostly be emulation stuff from here on out, but if something's particularly interesting," said Near. "I'll let you know."
The next time I would think about Near would be this Saturday night, as I settled into bed. I briefly looked at Twitter, upon which I found a number of people contacting me about Near, wondering if I could get in touch with them. The concerning tweets had gone out, and at the time, there was still optimism that the tragic fate suggested in them could maybe be avoided.
I only had an email address for Near, and so I wrote a quick note, hoping against hope.
"Hey, I saw your tweets, and I’m really concerned," I wrote at 12:06 am on Saturday night. "Are you okay? What can I do to help?"
I never heard back. My heart breaks, and you're left with the question of: "OK, what now?"
Kiwi Farms has, so far, proven unshakable because the nature of the web makes taking anything down difficult. The platform was last in the news for hosting and refusing to take down videos of the 2019 Christchurch mass shooting in New Zealand that left 51 dead and injured 41 more. New Zealand ISPs ended up blocking Kiwi Farms, but that does little for the rest of the world.
"Near did not commit suicide," wrote an anonymous friend of Near, whose story was shared by the aforementioned hacker Hector Martin. "Near was murdered. Victim of a lifetime of harassment. After an abusive childhood, and followed by community toxicity, Near was eventually targeted by Kiwi Farms. Members of that website make a sport of preying on the less fortunate, on those in positions liable to being emotionally abused. And they do so relentlessly. From the comfort of anonymity, of sitting in front of their computer thousands of kilometers away, they take glee in slowly destroying the psyche of others, bit by bit. To death, if possible."
That same friend called on places like DreamHost, the domain registrar of Kiwi Farms, and Cloudflare, a service for preventing DDoS attacks, to take action. Cloudflare did not respond to a request for comment to Waypoint, but DreamHost did. The company said it was the registrar for Kiwi Farms, but said it does "not host this website or its content on our servers."
A company representative said Kiwi Farms uses Cloudfare's technology to hide its actual hosting company, but offered to "review and forward any abuse reports submitted at https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse to the site's current web host and website owner."
The catch-22 here, of course, is that DreamHost is explicitly promising that another company will forward your report of abuse to the owner of a website whose entire purpose is to enact abuse. Even going through the motions of attempting to report Kiwi Farms could open people to harassment.
DreamHost also recommended people contact the FBI, and said it works "regularly with law enforcement on a variety of issues pertaining to user-generated content."
That might be true, but Kiwi Farms is still alive and Near is dead.
"The internet is not a game," wrote Near. "It's real life. I'm a real person. This stuff really hurts."
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I'll go halfsies on this, won't dox him but I will call him a nigger.Perpetually mad
Chris Chad
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These people have never actually been on the farms or 4chan. They hold it in their mind as some mythical hate machine where in reality both the farms and 4chan are diverse in userbase and don't ban you for naughty no no words
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I have found them in a few person search pages and their address reflects being in Delaware, Ohio, having previously resided in Hilliard? Ohio. Their residency history mimicks that of Patrick Tresners. So they are likely still married. Patrick is a bit of a gun-enthusiast though. He has a lot of gun pictures on fb. Patrick tresner has a twitter account with the name: Papatango78
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See? I told you! It's the SNES necromancy! He died at June 26 but was alive to post again on Twitter at June 27 in the morning!
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If you happen to be reading this post and stand against this place and it's inhabitants in this drama, I'd like to tell you something that isn't related to the case at hand only.
Despite being the supposedly superior species humans are still not alien to the principles animal brain operates on. Every time a person shows weakness and is encouraged to 'be themselves', this weakness is then reinforced. For the very same reason is the fact that most of the people around you tend to show blind, primitive and damaging enabling to destructive and damaging behaviour — it is simply much more easy and morally rewarding to say 'don't listen to haters' and such, than it is to engage in elaborate and productive discussion without making the person reject you. Next time someone around you, sadly inevitably, feels seriously down for that reason or another, think: what do they want, most importantly, why do you want to comfort them in the way that you do and what can be done to actually help them instead of just nodding and feeling very good about yourself.
Despite being the supposedly superior species humans are still not alien to the principles animal brain operates on. Every time a person shows weakness and is encouraged to 'be themselves', this weakness is then reinforced. For the very same reason is the fact that most of the people around you tend to show blind, primitive and damaging enabling to destructive and damaging behaviour — it is simply much more easy and morally rewarding to say 'don't listen to haters' and such, than it is to engage in elaborate and productive discussion without making the person reject you. Next time someone around you, sadly inevitably, feels seriously down for that reason or another, think: what do they want, most importantly, why do you want to comfort them in the way that you do and what can be done to actually help them instead of just nodding and feeling very good about yourself.
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There appears to be a 43 year old Patrick Michael Tresner and a 30 something David Ginder who are both associated with the same address in Hiliard OH.
The guy in the photos does look a lot like the picture Byuu posted, but if it isn't Byuu then this is just a random gay couple. Byuu's photo of a noose did appear to be in Japan.