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[GhostButt]

The show is filled with Picard getting yelled at by someone and instead of using his persuasion skills to calm the situation down, he just sits and takes it. That's a fundamental failure of Picard's character and diplomacy in general. Stewart is not in character, ergo he is performing badly.

Unless they reveal a reasonable change of character that ties into the story, it's terrible work.

Rich is able to forget about Ice Pirates of all things so why can't everyone else forget about Star Trek/Wars/etc.?

Ice Pirates is just a random movie, Star wars/trek and marvel/dc were major cultural touchstones for a long time, so there is a lot of emotional juju built up, people have been thinking about those universii daily, letting them go would be like letting go of most of their adolescence and young adulthood, how many friend groups exist just to talk about them?

I have pity but just barely, the fans are at fault for giving so freely of their humanity to these franchises. Honestly I'm wondering how long these coomerghouls will haunt the husks of these long destroyed spaceships and what will become of the concept of fandom in it's entirety?

Small-to-large fandoms pop up for just about anything and create a scene, but a lot of them are just going through the motions without the magnitude, and I wonder if they will ever get the same kind of universal roots into the dirt. Will a flavor of the week netflix fandom survive years down the road just because it's getting fanart today? I think no, and I think that trek will survive no matter how many bad shows are put out because the fandom is more than the media at this point, the next generation (heh) will be waning though unless something with some meat turns up.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Unless they reveal a reasonable change of character that ties into the story, it's terrible work.

Ice Pirates is just a random movie, Star wars/trek and marvel/dc were major cultural touchstones for a long time, so there is a lot of emotional juju built up, people have been thinking about those universii daily, letting them go would be like letting go of most of their adolescence and young adulthood, how many friend groups exist just to talk about them?

I have pity but just barely, the fans are at fault for giving so freely of their humanity to these franchises. Honestly I'm wondering how long these coomerghouls will haunt the husks of these long destroyed spaceships and what will become of the concept of fandom in it's entirety?

Small-to-large fandoms pop up for just about anything and create a scene, but a lot of them are just going through the motions without the magnitude, and I wonder if they will ever get the same kind of universal roots into the dirt. Will a flavor of the week netflix fandom survive years down the road just because it's getting fanart today? I think no, and I think that trek will survive no matter how many bad shows are put out because the fandom is more than the media at this point, the next generation (heh) will be waning though unless something with some meat turns up.

I wonder if we'll get fandoms devoted to older media, just because the newer-made stuff is turning out to be such shit.

 

[GhostButt]

I wonder if we'll get fandoms devoted to older media, just because the newer-made stuff is turning out to be such shit.

I did witness a gen z mini-clique springing up around Phantom of the Paradise a while back, so who knows

 

[starborn427614]

I wonder if we'll get fandoms devoted to older media, just because the newer-made stuff is turning out to be such shit.

Nostalgiafaggotry is an evergreen pastime. There's always people out there wanting to discuss old stuff.

 

[Flexo]

 

[Megaroad 2012]

It's this particular case that gets under my skin, just a little. Rich is able to forget about Ice Pirates of all things so why can't everyone else forget about Star Trek/Wars/etc.?

I mean, been there, done that. But still, it feels dishonest, in a way, like gaslighting or some kind of strawman. Trying to seem above the whole apple outrage scene by using an orange as an example. A really old, rotten orange. One where half of it has turned blue and started to sag.

It's all disposable entertainment in the end and well adjusted adults really shouldn't be worrying about this stuff so much.

Generation of manchildren who can't fathom they're not the target demographic anymore but due to fucked up priorities rather than shrug their shoulders and move on/find other interests people waste too much energy raging about products.

 

[frozenrunner]

It's all disposable entertainment in the end and well adjusted adults really shouldn't be worrying about this stuff so much.

Generation of manchildren who can't fathom they're not the target demographic anymore but due to fucked up priorities rather than shrug their shoulders and move on/find other interests people waste too much energy raging about products.

You mean the same products that are being sold, initially, to them using the brand name of the things they used to love? And then they're berated for wanting the new, awful things to be like the things they're named after and that are marketed towards original fans?

I can see why they're upset. Even if Star Trek isn't as important as other things in life.

 

[Flexo]

You mean the same products that are being sold, initially, to them using the brand name of the things they used to love? And then they're berated for wanting the new, awful things to be like the things they're named after and that are marketed towards original fans?

I can see why they're upset. Even if Star Trek isn't as important as other things in life.

I've had this talk with other Trekkies too. Heard one say, "Hey back when TNG came out they didn't like it at first. We shouldn't be comparing it to the old and complaining about changes."

My reply has always been: "If they didn't want us comparing it to the old Star Trek, WHY IS BURNHAM SPOCK'S SISTER???"

THEY brought up the old stuff by grabbing the label. If they wanted to do something new, they could have declared Michael Burnham to be FemShep and called the show "Mass Effect: The Series."

 

[Mola Ram]

THEY brought up the old stuff by grabbing the label. If they wanted to do something new, they could have declared Michael Burnham to be FemShep and called the show "Mass Effect: The Series."

And you know they would. Ginger erasure is a real thing!

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

THEY brought up the old stuff by grabbing the label.

Bingo. Some classic media like ST and SW have a cultural, or at least nostalgic cachet that also-rans like Ice Pirates do not. Modern Hollywood, in its infinite malaise and uncreativity, latches onto that mere fact, seemingly without knowing why these properties are so fondly remembered. You'll get diehard consoomers who'll shriek for more and more of that old property, and then shriek when the timeline, the ship specs, the number of bumps on an alien's forehead don't exactly match up. You'll also get people who think "Let's watch this. I remember it used to be pretty good. Hey... why does it suck now?" YMMV on where some of us fall on that spectrum. I'm fairly sure we here are all on some kind of spectrum.

Scolding people for complaining about current year remakes because incompetent fucknut studio hires keep remaking them is, well, kind of fucking stupid. Scolding people for complaining about current year remakes because Ice Pirates sucks is even more fucking stupid. Scolding people about 'well adjusted adults' falls somewhere in between.

The bottom line is, these things were good once. If you really need to drag them back up, why can't you put in an iota of skill and nous, and make them good again?

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Bingo. Some classic media like ST and SW have a cultural, or at least nostalgic cachet that also-rans like Ice Pirates do not. Modern Hollywood, in its infinite malaise and uncreativity, latches onto that mere fact, seemingly without knowing why these properties are so fondly remembered. You'll get diehard consoomers who'll shriek for more and more of that old property, and then shriek when the timeline, the ship specs, the number of bumps on an alien's forehead don't exactly match up. You'll also get people who think "Let's watch this. I remember it used to be pretty good. Hey... why does it suck now?" YMMV on where some of us fall on that spectrum. I'm fairly sure we here are all on some kind of spectrum.

Scolding people for complaining about current year remakes because incompetent fucknut studio hires keep remaking them is, well, kind of fucking stupid. Scolding people for complaining about current year remakes because Ice Pirates sucks is even more fucking stupid. Scolding people about 'well adjusted adults' falls somewhere in between.

The bottom line is, these things were good once. If you really need to drag them back up, why can't you put in an iota of skill and nous, and make them good again?

Because they don't want to make them good again. They want to either destroy them or twist them into a warped version that reinforces SJWs' beliefs about the world. Evil people can't create, only corrupt.

 

[Tank Man]

 

[The Valeyard]

I just watched Censor today, so I'm really looking forward to hearing Mike and Jay's thoughts on it.

 

[ZehnBoat]

 

[BrunoMattei]

I had no real interest in the movie but I figured Jay would bring it up. Loved when they went over the Video Nasties. That could have been an episode right there.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

That intro was perfect timing for the thread.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

After this episode of HitB I wound up watching The Relic episode of TNG. Mike will be looking like Doohan by the end of the decade.

 

[YankeeTrader]

Our Wall of Celebrity Autographs
Here's our expansive wall of all the famous faces we've gotten autographs from over the years!

 

[King Dead]

Our Wall of Celebrity Autographs
Here's our expansive wall of all the famous faces we've gotten autographs from over the years!

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That can't be all of them. Where's the autograph of the Keeper of the Thrombic Modulator?

Admittedly, it's funnier to have just Neelix on a wall all by himself.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

The opening skit is funnier a year later.