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The lone voice of sanity in DC.
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There's a better timeline where his was prez

 

[Flaming Carrot]

I live in a pretty blue area, and the some of the stores here have started taking down the signs about wearing masks. There's still a lot of people wearing masks in the stores, but most of the employees have stopped. My kid was in day camp last week, and they weren't making kids wear masks, and the kids who did took them off as soon as their parents. I know people are worried about vaccine passports and whatnot, but so far it looks like things are winding down except for everyone who shops at Whole Foods.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

The lone voice of sanity in DC.
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I wish there's more guys like him in DC and elsewhere as well.

Meanwhile in Europe, there's one more article about the deaths by vaccine-chan. https://welovetrump.com/2021/06/29/uk-says-most-people-dying-from-covid-are-vaccinated/ ( https://archive.ph/CK7dn )

The fake news media seems to shy away from any negative press about the Covid vaccine in America.

Over in Europe, however, the truth is making its way into the headlines.

Some shocking figures made the news about how many vaccinated people have died from Covid.

In a stunning admission last week in Public Health England’s technical briefing, it was revealed that most people dying in the UK from Covid had been vaccinated....

...Metro UK reported similar findings that 12 people who died with the Indian Covid variant in the UK were fully vaccinated:

Almost one third of people in the UK who have so far died from the Indian variant had received both their vaccinations.
Just weeks before England aimed to scrap coronavirus regulations for good, the variant – now officially named ‘Delta’ – has caused cases to soar, sparking fears of another wave of the disease.
But infection numbers are not necessarily what will delay ‘Freedom Day’ on June 21, as scientists will analyse the number of people being hospitalised and dying from the virus.
A new report from Public Health England (PHE) shows out of the 42 British people known to have died with the Delta variant, 12 of them (29%) were fully vaccinated with two doses.
In notes seen by the Sunday Telegraph, PHE epidemiologist Meaghan Kall recorded this ‘percentage of severe outcomes among people [with vaccine] breakthrough infections’ on Friday.
She observed: ‘Who are they and why is that happening? Work ongoing to understand the profile of fully vaxxed people with severe outcomes.’
But it is likely the vaccinated people who died were elderly or sick with pre-existing conditions, and their immunity had dwindled since getting their jabs.

The push to get the Covid jab supersedes rational thinking, it seems.

Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, the US is reporting similar findings amongst the vaccinated dying from Covid.

CNBC recently reported that 4,115 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated:

More than 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 in the U.S. even though they’ve been fully vaccinated, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
So far, at least 750 fully vaccinated people have died after contracting Covid, but the CDC noted that 142 of those fatalities were asymptomatic or unrelated to Covid-19, according to data as of Monday that was released Friday.
The CDC received 3,907 reports of people who have been hospitalized with breakthrough Covid infections, despite being fully vaccinated. Of those, more than 1,000 of those patients were asymptomatic or their hospitalizations weren’t related to Covid-19, the CDC said.
“To be expected,” Dr. Paul Offit, a top advisor to the Food and Drug Administration on children’s vaccines told CNBC. “The vaccines aren’t 100% effective, even against severe disease. Very small percentage of the 600,000 deaths.”
Breakthrough cases are Covid-19 infections that bypass vaccine protection. They are very rare and many are asymptomatic. The vaccines are highly effective but don’t block every infection. Pfizer and Moderna’s phase three clinical studies found that their two-dose regimens were 95% and 94% effective at blocking Covid-19, respectively, while Johnson & Johnson’s one-shot vaccine was found to be 66% effective in its studies. All three, however, have been found to be extremely effective in preventing people from getting severely sick from Covid.
The CDC doesn’t count every breakthrough case. It stopped counting all breakthrough cases May 1 and now only tallies those that lead to hospitalization or death, a move the agency was criticized for by health experts.
Most Americans have received at least one shot of the two currently authorized mRNA vaccines. The U.S. has administered 178.3 million shots and fully vaccinated 46% of its population.
“You are just as likely to be killed by a meteorite as die from Covid after a vaccine,” Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease expert at the University of California San Francisco, told CNBC. “In the big scheme of things, the vaccines are tremendously powerful.”
Efficacy rates decrease slightly for variants like alpha and delta, with studies indicating 88% efficacy against the delta strain after two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. It was unclear if any of the reported breakthrough cases were caused by variants.
In Israel and the United Kingdom, concerns about the delta variant are rising after growing reports of breakthrough infections.
Even with 80% of adults vaccinated, Chezy Levy, director-general of Israel’s Health Ministry, said the delta variant is responsible for 70% of new infections in the country. Levy also said that one-third of those new infections were in vaccinated individuals.
In the U.K., Public Health England released a report that found 26 out of 73 deaths caused by the delta variant occurred in fully vaccinated people from June 8 to June 14. Most of the deaths occurred in unvaccinated individuals.
“Determination of whether hospitalizations and deaths are more represented in immunocompromised patients and the type of vaccine received will be important for future guidance,” Chin-Hong said.
On June 7, the CDC received reports of 3,459 breakthrough cases that led to hospitalization or death. On June 18, that number was updated to 3,729, an increase of 270 cases. Today, the number stands at 4,115.
An overwhelming majority, 76%, of the hospitalizations and deaths from breakthrough cases occurred in people over the age of 65.
″We do not have the years and years of data we have for vaccines against other airborne pathogens — and therefore it is really essential that the CDC provides up to date reporting on breakthrough cases,” David Edwards, aerosol scientist and Harvard University professor, told CNBC.
The CDC says its numbers are “likely an undercount” of all Covid infections in vaccinated people because the data relies on passive and voluntary reporting.

 

[DoubleD]

Big tech is fighting the good fight to defend our right to choose to get the vaccine... from anything that could tempt us into making the wrong choice.

I know what you're thinking - what could possibly be so bad about this video that Twitter decides to slap it down with a Trumpian fact-check label (which also had the effect of disabling likes, replies and retweets)? Until Twitter reversed that decision in the last few hours, it was only possible to quote-retweet it.

https://twitter.com/izzy_b911/status/1409919553694535682 (archive)

12-year-old Maddie was enrolled in the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial.
She's now in a wheelchair, has an NG tube, and is suffering from severe memory loss, along with many other issues.

Maddie was diagnosed with having an adverse reaction to the vaccine by an ER doctor.
The rest of the doctors she saw were baffled, with one even diagnosing her with anxiety & attempting to admit her to a mental hospital.

Maddie has been hospitalized & has gone to the ER multiple times since she received the second dose of the vaccine.
No one has bothered to find out what happened to her. She's been ignored by Pfizer, the FDA, CDC, and others.

Some truly horrifying descriptions of symptoms from her mother's speech, delivered by a mother who is holding back tears every moment that she says this:

Upon receiving the second shot, Maddie immediately felt pain at the injection site. And over the next 24 hours, she developed severe abdominal and chest pain. And the way the described the chest pain - and I quote - 'It feels like my heart is being ripped out through my neck.'

Over the next two months, she developed additional symptoms that included gastroparesis, nausea and vomiting, erratic blood pressure and heart rate, memory loss, she mixes up words, brain fog, headaches, dizziness, fainting - she fell and hit her head - and then, seizures. She had verbal and motor tics, and loss of feeling from the waist down, and weakness, drastic changes in her vision, urinary retention and loss of bladder control, severely irregular heavy menstrual cycles. And eventually, she had to have an NG tube put in to get nutrition. All of these symptoms are still here today. Some days are worse than others.

Mother goes on to describe how the quack doctors initially tried to diagnose with Maddie with anxiety and get her sent to a mental hospital, plus the five-month ordeal they've had to go through to get her the correct medical care.

She ends with a plea for her daughter's story to be listened to, so that others in a similar position don't suffer the same fate.





So, Kiwis. Aren't we so fricking glad that Twitter has kept the very real threat of vaccine hesitancy under control, intervening in the situation when it was absolutely necessary? Why, it's a shame they still had to leave the misleading videos up, but one can at least hope they're doing smart things behind the scenes with their algorithms making sure that fewer people see it. I mean, can you imagine the outcry, the damage it might do to public confidence in the Pfizer vaccine if a story like this were allowed to spread like wildfire?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

So, Kiwis. Aren't we so fricking glad that Twitter has kept the very real threat of vaccine hesitancy under control, intervening in the situation when it was absolutely necessary? Why, it's a shame they still had to leave the misleading videos up, but one can at least hope they're doing smart things behind the scenes with their algorithms making sure that fewer people see it. I mean, can you imagine the outcry, the damage it might do to public confidence in the Pfizer vaccine if a story like this were allowed to spread like wildfire?

Fortunately though most of the idiots who get their information from Twitter have probably already gotten their vax like a good little citizen

 

[Yeeted Teet]

3) Because its the >50 demographic in question, one has to wonder if the same people with busted immune systems who gave us the "COVID doesn't give you antibodies!" meme are also not getting the proper reaction from the vaccine (e.g. the wild virus wont cause your body's defense to act proper, neither will the vaccine fake virus)

There's incresing evidence that the vaccines are less effective in people on immunosuppressive drugs. The first study also associates advanced age with a reduced response.

Infliximab is associated with attenuated immunogenicity to BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 SARS-CoV-2 vaccines in patients with IBD | Gut

Methotrexate impairs immunogenicity of BNT162b2 SARS-CoV-2 vaccine in patients with immune-mediated inflammatory diseases

Researchers from Germany and the USA recently investigated the cellular and humoral immune responses of patients with IMIDs on immunomodulatory treatment to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. The research is published on the medRxiv* preprint server.

www.news-medical.net

It probably would have been a good idea to, oh I don't know, actually fucking test them on the people expected to need them most.

 

[No. 7 cat]

I thought the Irish loved their pubs, have they become so pathetic that they can't be bothered to save them?

I used to doubt the theory that fluoride added to the water, makes people passive, but honestly I wonder. There has been take away pints for a while, but lads just sat on the wall or stood nearby, plus recently that stupid outdoor seating. The YouTube video has been ratioed, which many will think is enough. His FF (nicknamed FFail) party, a party of government, was at 11%, but nearly all the alternatives are Globohomo drones.

 

[DoubleD]

Big tech is fighting the good fight to defend our right to choose to get the vaccine... from anything that could tempt us into making the wrong choice.

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I know what you're thinking - what could possibly be so bad about this video that Twitter decides to slap it down with a Trumpian fact-check label (which also had the effect of disabling likes, replies and retweets)? Until Twitter reversed that decision in the last few hours, it was only possible to quote-retweet it.

https://twitter.com/izzy_b911/status/1409919553694535682 (archive)





Some truly horrifying descriptions of symptoms from her mother's speech, delivered by a mother who is holding back tears every moment that she says this:




Mother goes on to describe how the quack doctors initially tried to diagnose with Maddie with anxiety and get her sent to a mental hospital, plus the five-month ordeal they've had to go through to get her the correct medical care.

She ends with a plea for her daughter's story to be listened to, so that others in a similar position don't suffer the same fate.





So, Kiwis. Aren't we so fricking glad that Twitter has kept the very real threat of vaccine hesitancy under control, intervening in the situation when it was absolutely necessary? Why, it's a shame they still had to leave the misleading videos up, but one can at least hope they're doing smart things behind the scenes with their algorithms making sure that fewer people see it. I mean, can you imagine the outcry, the damage it might do to public confidence in the Pfizer vaccine if a story like this were allowed to spread like wildfire?

A Federalist write-up of the above:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/2...bing-daughters-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/ (archive)

Oh, and it seems Ron Johnson is bringing attention to incidents like these, which may have been what ultimately prompted Twitter to hide their mistake by uncensoring the tweet:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/2...ients-speak-out-on-harmful-vaccine-reactions/ (archive)

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

So, Kiwis. Aren't we so fricking glad that Twitter has kept the very real threat of vaccine hesitancy under control, intervening in the situation when it was absolutely necessary? Why, it's a shame they still had to leave the misleading videos up, but one can at least hope they're doing smart things behind the scenes with their algorithms making sure that fewer people see it. I mean, can you imagine the outcry, the damage it might do to public confidence in the Pfizer vaccine if a story like this were allowed to spread like wildfire?

I mean, we have Branch Covidians on this very site who aren't capable of figuring out why someone wouldn't want the jab. They occasionally come close with conceding that someone might have valid concerns about experimental medical procedures, but then they start tardflapping that we all think the poke will make us magnetic or turn us into Bill Gates zombies.

If Covid cultists couldn't exaggerate their opponents' arguments to cartoonish extremes like they do with their own munchie ideas about what The Virus does, they wouldn't be Branch Covidians.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I mean, we have Branch Covidians on this very site who aren't capable of figuring out why someone wouldn't want the jab. They occasionally come close with conceding that someone might have valid concerns about experimental medical procedures, but then they start tardflapping that we all think the poke will make us magnetic or turn us into Bill Gates zombies.

If Covid cultists couldn't exaggerate their opponents' arguments to cartoonish extremes like they do with their own munchie ideas about what The Virus does, they wouldn't be Branch Covidians.

It's what they do. "They", I mean. Perpetuate the myth that people with beliefs which run counter to theirs have completely whacko, insane beliefs. Not just normal hesitancies and worries, in this case.

I'm not worried about becoming magnetic or a 5g zombie. I'm worried that people who have these vaccines show MASSIVE spikes in CRP and inflammation, when we've been told for years, inflammation is a silent killer. I'm worried about previously healthy people being physically destroyed by this, or developing gastric issues or dropping dead. I'm worried about a medical system so high off 15 months of cock sucking from the public and huffing their own farts they would rather gaslight a girl and her family and tell her she is mentally unwell, potentially delaying apt treatment.

And I am terrified of fat cunts who think the rest of us should have to risk this all because they're too fucking retarded to stop pigging themselves to fucking death.

 

[DoubleD]

I mean, we have Branch Covidians on this very site who aren't capable of figuring out why someone wouldn't want the jab. They occasionally come close with conceding that someone might have valid concerns about experimental medical procedures, but then they start tardflapping that we all think the poke will make us magnetic or turn us into Bill Gates zombies.

If Covid cultists couldn't exaggerate their opponents' arguments to cartoonish extremes like they do with their own munchie ideas about what The Virus does, they wouldn't be Branch Covidians.

I've been noticing a lot recently that, whenever a "conspiracy theory" attracts mainstream attention, it will tend to get conflated with the most extreme and implausible version of that conspiracy. No doubt this is done deliberately by the people in whose best interests it is to keep us believing the official story. So whenever there's a *wacky conspiracy theory* attached to a particular idea, it's worth looking into whether there are more mundane things going on behind the smoke and mirrors (and my hunch is that there often are) that would nonetheless become a major scandal if it hit the press.

Wacky conspiracty: The vaccine is a ploy by Bill Gates to inject us with tracking devices!!
Mundane scandal: The vaccine is being sold by pharmaceutical giants that downplay its health risks.

Wacky conspiracy: The coronavirus does not exist! It was made up by China!!
Mundane scandal: The coronavirus is not as dangerous as it is made out to be.

Wacky conspiracy: The US government crashed two planes into the World Trade Center to justify a war in the middle east!!
Mundane scandal: The US government knew there was a decent chance of an attack like that happening, and did nothing about it.

Wacky conspiracy: The US government was covering up the existence of extraterrestrials in the 1940s!!
Mundane scandal: The US government was testing military aircraft in the 1940s.

Wacky conspiracy: Hitlery Clinton is running a pedophile ring out of the basement of a pizza place!!
(I don't know about this one. You tell me...)

 

[teriyakiburns]

Wacky conspiracy: Hitlery Clinton is running a pedophile ring out of the basement of a pizza place!!
(I don't know about this one. You tell me...)

FALSE! The pizza place in question had no basement. Hillary is innocent of everything!
Ignore the fact that Bill Clinton was a close friend of Epstein and they both spent multiple stays on his island.

 

[Salubrious]

In case you don't follow the covid vaccine info thread I'll post here too about a recent report on the delta variant in the UK:
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The one caveat I would make, and I've been saying this for a while, is probably because those that are unvaccinated would also be the types to just not get tested if they came down with the sniffles, so I think that number is lower due to that.

I think the number of cases has always skewed low simply because a ton of people with no symptoms just wouldn't get tested unless they absolutely had to.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The one caveat I would make, and I've been saying this for a while, is probably because those that are unvaccinated would also be the types to just not get tested if they came down with the sniffles, so I think that number is lower due to that.

I think the number of cases has always skewed low simply because a ton of people with no symptoms just wouldn't get tested unless they absolutely had to.

That's more than countered by the use of extremely unreliable tests that can produce a positive result from freshly sliced fruit.

 

[Salubrious]

That's more than countered by the use of extremely unreliable tests that can produce a positive result from freshly sliced fruit.

That's true, but I think the tests are unreliable in both directions as well. And we know the 600K dead Americans are bullshit because they included anyone that tested positive at the autopsy (and even some that didn't from what I heard), even if they died from several gunshot wounds.

 

[PaleTay]

FALSE! The pizza place in question had no basement. Hillary is innocent of everything!
Ignore the fact that Bill Clinton was a close friend of Epstein and they both spent multiple stays on his island.

Actually the owner couldn't decide if he had a basement or not.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

A Federalist write-up of the above:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/2...bing-daughters-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/ (archive)

Oh, and it seems Ron Johnson is bringing attention to incidents like these, which may have been what ultimately prompted Twitter to hide their mistake by uncensoring the tweet:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/2...ients-speak-out-on-harmful-vaccine-reactions/ (archive)

Wrong move then Twitter did, it ignited the Streisand effect.

Btw, the WHO keep flip-flopping. https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-s...78708.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=gp ( https://archive.ph/C2tP8 )

In updated guidance on COVID-19 testing strategies, the World Health Organization (WHO) says it does not currently recommend widespread screening of people without symptoms, citing the cost of such a strategy and its ineffectiveness.
“Widespread testing of asymptomatic populations, including through self-testing, is not currently recommended, based on lack of evidence on impact and cost-effectiveness of such approaches and the concern that this approach risks diverting resources from higher priority testing indications,” the guidance stated.
However, “countries with the resources and desire to expand testing to the general public (regardless of symptoms) should demonstrate that they have the necessary public health infrastructure in place to respond to positive results and that resources are not being taken away from the testing of suspected cases, which is the top priority,” the WHO told The Epoch Times via email.
Testing should be directed “to where they are expected to have the biggest public health impact,” the WHO said, adding, “this means that all those who are suspected [as defined by the WHO] to have COVID-19 based on symptoms should be prioritized for testing,” irrespective of their vaccination status or disease history.

And some wonder if the talks of the Delta variant might be a diversion. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/06/delta_variant__the_covid_sequel.html
( https://web.archive.org/web/2021062.../2021/06/delta_variant__the_covid_sequel.html )

....Perhaps declining vaccination rates are behind the Delta variant scare? CNN’s “panel of experts” is worried. Dr Anthony Fauci, the one and only word on all things coronavirus cautioned in Yogi Berra fashion, "It ain't over 'til it's over -- and it is not over yet."

What exactly does he mean by “over”? There is an annual flu vaccine and flu is hardly over, killing tens of thousands of Americans each year, this past year being an inexplicable exception. Colds are ubiquitous, something we are never over. The Chinese coronavirus will likely be the same, mixed in with seasonal influenza, a nuisance for most, potentially fatal for others, just like the flu, with the vaccine reducing the risk of getting really sick.

NBC sees Delta as a “variant of concern” for the US despite the fact that a third of Americans have already had COVID, according to the CDC, and that more than half of Americans have had at least one vaccine dose, putting America at or beyond herd immunity. And they acknowledge that, “The vaccines available in the US are effective against the Delta variant, as well as other circulating variants.”

Meaning that their concern is nonsensical, on par with the end of snow or the planet burning up in ten years. Is this concern or simply more fear porn, a distraction from inconvenient news which they would rather not cover?

Such as that the vaccines may increase the risk of heart problems up to 200-fold in young men. Or that Americans are growing weary of random mask rules, as in it’s OK to go mask-less in a shopping mall but not in an airport. Or that Arizona election audit results are soon to be released.

Or that President Biden is creepily whispering into microphones. Or that Trump rallies are drawing crowds that Biden and Harris could only dream of. Or that CNN’s ratings are in the toilet and fear mongering may be the only way to recapture a few viewers. Not to pick on just CNN, but the US ranks dead last in media trust among 46 countries.

The medical smart set, and their media accomplices want us locked down in fear forever. Expect the sequel to COVID to be nothing but panic and gloom to keep everyone dispirited and compliant. Too bad it’s not working.

 

[Branch Covidian]

Opinion | CDC's All-or-Nothing Approach to Teen COVID Vaccination Is All Wrong

The agency should revisit its latest guidance to maximize benefits and minimize risks

www.medpagetoday.com

Excellent overview of how the CDC manipulated statistics to minimize the risk of vaccine myocarditis in young people and maximize their risks from COVID.

1. VAERS is a suboptimal system. While the VAERS system was well-positioned to detect a rare and entirely unprecedented safety event (e.g., vaccine induced thrombocytopenia and thrombosis in the cerebral vessels), the system is suboptimal for elevations in naturally occurring health outcomes. Voluntary reporting requires a provider to make a mental link between vaccination and the outcome, and the mere fact that the CDC received more cases after coverage in the New York Times is evidence that VAERS failed to capture these events without prompting. This indicates cases may still be underreported: U.S. rates are likely a floor and not a ceiling. The meticulous tracking in Israel is likely closer to the real figure. Facing a factor-of-5 discrepancy between rates reported by Israel and the U.S., it is not prudent to simply assume that Israel is overcounting myocarditis, rather than the other way around.
2. If you change even one assumption, the CDC's model tips. Using the CDC's own framework of risk and benefit, key differences tip the calculus. First, the comparison doesn't have to be either two doses or no doses. We can also consider just a single dose. Dose two is associated with greater rates of myocarditis, and one dose of an mRNA vaccine has strong protection (over 90% for severe outcomes) -- even against novel variants such as Delta. If you do this, the calculus tips. Second, building on this model, if one assumes rates of myocarditis documented in Israel, accepting the hypothesis that VAERS underestimates risk, it gets even worse. One of us (Wes Pegden, PhD) re-ran the CDC's analysis accounting for this, which shows that second dose vaccination is unfavorable at young ages. Finally, the CDC's analysis uses SARS-CoV-2 rates from the past -- when fewer adults were vaccinated. Rates might rise in the fall, but that's unclear.
   
   Figure by Wes Pegden, PhD
3. The CDC did not consider alternative strategies. The decision facing the CDC is not whether or not COVID-19 vaccination in children is generally a good idea. Most immediately, it is whether kids ages 12 to 15 should continue to receive second doses. A range of vaccination strategies are possible in children. Believing that COVID-19 vaccines can be valuable even for healthy children is different from thinking we cannot afford to proceed cautiously. Above all, it does not mean CDC should feel a need to stay the course with second doses whose marginal risks in teens appear likely to exceed their marginal benefits. Manufacturers could also reconsider the dose given to young people under 25 years old. Children's vaccination trials currently underway use lower doses than the adult studies; perhaps a lower or intermediate dose of vaccine could preserve most of the anti-COVID-19 benefit while avoiding the myocarditis risk. The CDC did not explore this option. And notably, dose optimization is an area of drug development for which there is a lot of room for improvement.
4. The CDC is not accounting for COVID-19 risk factors. Vaccination strategies for young people should be responsive to risk factors that place children at elevated risk of severe COVID-19 disease. While it is true that some cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) are idiosyncratic -- occur even in healthy kids -- the bulk of adolescent hospitalizations are among individuals with pre-existing risk factors. In contrast, the risk of myocarditis is entirely idiosyncratic and can strike anyone, including healthy adolescents at very low risk of severe disease. Vaccinating those at high COVID-19 risk, but not all young people, is a strategy that must be considered when balancing tradeoffs, as the harms versus benefits to healthy children are different than for kids with risk factors.
5. The CDC is not factoring in natural immunity. It is hard to believe that the risk benefit balance favors a 15-year-old young man who has recovered from COVID-19, and who has detectable antibodies, getting two doses of an mRNA vaccine. Such an individual is accepting a non-negligible risk of myocarditis, with limited upside in terms of decreased risk of severe infection. If the CDC recommends vaccination for these children, it is imperative they weigh benefits versus harms in precisely this population, which, to date, they have not presented.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

If Covid cultists couldn't exaggerate their opponents' arguments to cartoonish extremes like they do with their own munchie ideas about what The Virus does, they wouldn't be Branch Covidians.

"Akychually its COVID that causes infertility and reproductive issues in young people! "

That's true, but I think the tests are unreliable in both directions as well. And we know the 600K dead Americans are bullshit because they included anyone that tested positive at the autopsy (and even some that didn't from what I heard), even if they died from several gunshot wounds.

"Akychually, deaths are under-reported! "

Coronapanic has been a great case study in how people will filter what information they are seeing specifically to meet a narrative they already had.
What I find telling is that a majority of Coronaskeptics will admit they were wrong and brought into the fear porn early on (with the exception of a few "Ha I told you all!" types). On the other hand Branch Covidians pretend that they always knew COVID was the most dangerous thing since The Spanish Flu (TM).

 

[Billy Beer]

That's more than countered by the use of extremely unreliable tests that can produce a positive result from freshly sliced fruit.

and multiple tests per person.

In the UK you can pick up a free lateral flow test. We are recommended to test ourselves and our families 2-3 times a week. So it's not 1:1 on tests:person infected