Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

Piss Clam said:
If you think the taliban are going to stop that shit, or opium production then you are deluded.
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The Taliban squashed 99% of the drug trade in Afghanistan back in the late 90s early 2ks before the invasion. I don't think the bacha bazi was on American radar at the time so I'm not sure if they did or didn't work to abolish it. Mind altering substances like Opium are against the Taliban's strict interpretation of Islam so I fully suspect that they will immediately begin the process of rooting out the Opium trade once they reestablish governance in the regions they captured.
 
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The time to declare victory and leave was when Obama killed Osama. The reason we went in was because the Taliban has harboring Osama and refused to give him up.

I'm not exactly sure what we've been trying to accomplish there for the last 10 years. If we still had a reason to be there, what suddenly changed this year?
 
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Prester John said:
The time to declare victory and leave was when Obama killed Osama. The reason we went in was because the Taliban has harboring Osama and refused to give him up.

I'm not exactly sure what we've been trying to accomplish there for the last 10 years. If we still had a reason to be there, what suddenly changed this year?
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Trump ran on a platform of the global war on terror being a disaster and decided to leave.
 
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Samir said:
American war strategy:
Step 1: defeat opposition ground army in 20 minutes
Step 2: weakly prop up a democracy
Step 3: hang out for 10 - 20 years
step 4: leave
step 5: have all progress be reversed almost immediately
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You would think the US would make the Afghan government somewhat robust but no.
 
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AftershockJFK said:
You would think the US would make the Afghan government somewhat robust but no.
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"Robust" would mean some kind of dictator who would purge enemies ruthlessly, this kind of logical strategy is anathema to the American public. Nixon and Kissinger still get shit for the tar baby option they employed to quagmire the Soviets into endless funding of revolutionaries in Africa. The main reason "the state" came to be was for providing security for its citizenry, unless bad elements are ruthlessly purged (US tends to ignore what happened to the Tories and Reconstruction) they'll endlessly harass and destroy the legitimacy of the ruling government. Until Americans are willing to employ the great words of Septimus Severes they will never be able to conduct nation building
Let none escape utter destruction At our hands. Yea, whatso is found in the womb of the mother, Child unborn though it be, let it not escape utter destruction! -Septimus Severes
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They'd have been better off turning Kandahar into a self sufficient city state. Some light industry and better education with a security envelope 20-50k around it. Any Taliban or really any non ANA/ANP armed forces spotted get drone strike on sight. Just run Predators 24/7 and let the rest of the country continue to be in the 1st century.
 
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Samir said:
American war strategy:
Step 1: defeat opposition ground army in 20 minutes
Step 2: weakly prop up a democracy
Step 3: hang out for 10 - 20 years
step 4: leave
step 5: have all progress be reversed almost immediately
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Step 6 : Repeat later in order to enrich a new generation of the Administrative Complex.
 
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attractive_pneumonia said:
The Taliban squashed 99% of the drug trade in Afghanistan back in the late 90s early 2ks before the invasion. I don't think the bacha bazi was on American radar at the time so I'm not sure if they did or didn't work to abolish it. Mind altering substances like Opium are against the Taliban's strict interpretation of Islam so I fully suspect that they will immediately begin the process of rooting out the Opium trade once they reestablish governance in the regions they captured.
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This is how propaganda gets around. I know what you are talking about, but the opium trade declined a few percent before the US invasion for all of like six months. The taliban were simple cornering the market. I read all those articles too and they were not true.

It's the cash crop and it ain't going anywhere, taliban or not. Check back here in a year or two and prove me wrong :)
 
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attractive_pneumonia said:
Highway linking Herat to Kandahar is entirely severed
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I wasn't really sure which major city was going to fall first, but it appears Kandahar city will likely be it. Taliban are a mere 20km from it and most regime forces are just surrendering on contact. This is pumping up the Taliban from mere Toyotas to full armored column. It remains to be seen if Kandahar city will just declare itself an open city or if it will fight the Taliban.

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the pictures i posted earlier in the thread were litteraly from Panjwai about 2000 yds from the gate where this happend https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17334643. Weird af seeing places i spent a year visiting being overrun by the taliban.
 
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Prester John said:
The time to declare victory and leave was when Obama killed Osama. The reason we went in was because the Taliban has harboring Osama and refused to give him up.

I'm not exactly sure what we've been trying to accomplish there for the last 10 years. If we still had a reason to be there, what suddenly changed this year?
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What changed is that China has publicly stated that they see themselves as in a Cold War with the USA, and we're not going to be able to just fuck around and launder money through a country on their southern border anymore. (We'll be laundering our money though Ukraine primarily now)
 
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FAQnews Correspondent said:
Trump ran on a platform of the global war on terror being a disaster and decided to leave.
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Yeah but he didn't leave. Did it once occur to Trump that he was the fucking CoC and he could have ordered a pull out on day one of his Presidency?

Now to be fair he DID order a pull out in the last days of his administration, and the perfumed princes who served on the NSC decided to commit mutiny and ignore his order because it was 'dangerous and reckless". The same fat queers who barked like trained seals when dementia Joe gave the exact same order a few months later.

pwnest injun said:
What changed is the China has publicly stated that they see themselves as in a Cold War with the USA, and we're not going to be able to just fuck around and launder money through a country on their southern border anymore. (We'll be laundering our money though Ukraine primarily now)
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China doesn't give a fuck about Afghanistan, they care a bit about Pakistan but only to fuck with India. The Chinese now run the global heroin trade, yet another industry they've taken over. The only money going in and out of Afghanistan is Chinese, American troops or no.

Anyway I think we're pulling out because it's been decided to concentrate resources in dealing with domestic opposition to globohomo.

The military is being purged of wrong thinkers for a reason. I fully expect serving military to be patrolling the burbs and seizing illegal weaponry while winning hearts and minds. 2 years tops.
 
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Bosmadden said:
Yeah but he didn't leave. Did it once occur to Trump that he was the fucking CoC and he could have ordered a pull out on day one of his Presidency?
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Trump was gun-ho about fighting ISIS for the first years of his presidency. Congress blocked his attempts to pull out.
 
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I hate that the US has gotten itself so deep in this shit that we're essentially stuck in the middle east perpetually.
20 fucking years, what will we achieve that we haven't in the past 20? It's not our job to defend their country for them, if anything from the maps it looks like the Taliban own the place more than the "real" government.

I'm just sick if this. If we're not out by 9/11/21, it's never happening.
 
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Another story of the chaos at the same time a shot against Americans celebrating the 4th July, the previous wars and shots on Mark Zuckerberg.
 
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