Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Little Dark Age]

I've seen a few people inquire about Nullification and wanted to share some findings:

This clinic is focused on any kind of trans surgery, and they not only perform "non-binary" surgery, they also actually have some pics:

There's the "both genders" kind that wants their amhole whilke keeping their penis:

Spoiler: Some futa cumbrained lunatics

"2 month post operation photo of non-binary/transfeminine patient who underwent phallus-preserving vaginoplasty. Lining for the full-depth vagina was created using full-thickness skin grafts from the scrotum and from the groin regions (which are in continuity with the lateral labia incisions)."

"Transfeminine patient who desired phallus-preserving vaginoplasty. Orchiectomy was performed, and the scrotal skin was used to create labia. A full thickness skin graft from the abdomen was used to create the lining of the vaginal canal. She has a full-depth functional vagina."

"Before and Immediate post op photos of non-binary/transfeminine patient who desired phallus-preserving vaginoplasty. Lining for the full-depth vagina was created using scrotal skin and skin from the groin regions (which are in continuity with the labia incisions). Foley catheter and packing will stay in place for 1 week."

And the actual "Delete Everything" crowd:

Spoiler: The Nullification

"Agender patient who desired nullification (penectomy, orchiectomy, scrotectomy). This is a 1 year postoperative result."

"Gender fluid/transfeminine patient who desired nullification (penectomy, orchiectomy, scrotectomy). This is an immediate postoperative result. The Foley catheter is removed at 1 week post-op."

"Gender fluid/transfeminine patient who desired nullification (penectomy, orchiectomy, scrotectomy). This is a 1 year postoperative result. She maintained erogenous sensation, and is able to achieve orgasms with stimulation of the perineum."

The butcher for all of the above is Dr. Thomas Satterwhite.

An article (including all the gory detailed pictures) of the old days when genderspecials had to do some DIY if they wanted customised genitals:

My Life Without A Cock | eFukt.com

archived 15 May 2018 13:50:25 UTC

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And this classic article, about a gay bear that actually got a doctor to do his Nullo surgery, interview is actually pretty interesting:

"I Still Unload": This Man Is a "Nullo" Who Removed His Penis and Bal…

archived 20 Feb 2021 14:47:20 UTC

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tl;dr: Gay bottom embarrassed cause he has big Dicks and Nuts, gets injured in the nuts, suffers nerve damage, removes balls with a back-alley body modder, penis still hurts a little so since he has always had a fetish he convinces doctors (including in a psych eval) to go all the way and removes penis

Spoiler: Thunk-proking snippets

"went to see a psychiatrist and he spent a good 90 minutes with me and said "yes, I have just the person that can work with you." So the psychologist did a battery of personality tests and said "you're perfectly fine, your only problem is that you've got these physical problems which work on your nerves." And I said "yeah." And he said "it also works with your personality" because I'm a gay submissive and I always have been and it wasn't working right. So in order to to fix it I worked toward a goal of having things removed. And that was it."

"in talking to all the guys that I've been talking with, they try to come up with all sorts of different rationalizations to justify it. In my case, my medical situation really didn't justify it because I was just uncomfortable with what I had. It wasn't medically necessary."

Completely fine and healthy details of his sex life:

"Another thing is, guys who are aroused by my situation are very aroused. I've got some guys who are pursuing me a lot. And they just like this idea, because there's nothing there to be in the way. Face to face fucking is very pleasurable. And when they're doing that I actually wet their stomachs with my fluids. And this one guy, he likes to go down on me. He's a bi guy and he said he does this with his girlfriend so he goes down there and starts licking me. And he just loves that idea. He loves the idea that I have a hairy chest and what is to him a very tiny vagina that he can't fuck but he can lick and he can enjoy being the male role. I've even got a straight guy here in town who likes to fuck me because I don't have any male genitals and he doesn't feel threatened by that."

What happens with the balls in back alley castrations?

"Quite a few [cutters] collect them. They preserve them, they put them in jars. One guy embedded his in plastic and now it's an ornament somewhere. This typically happens when you're in a master/slave dominant/submissive relationship and the submissive gives up his balls to his partner for keepsake."

The other option is, of course, cannibalism.

"It is for real, yes. Some guys do that. Think about the Testy Festy, where they go there and every year there they have concentration of people who are into eating sheep and bull nuts and rocky mountain oysters. I know a few cutters that don't charge anything for their work, the only charge they have is that they get the nuts afterwards."

Our eunuch, of course, has had a taste:

"Yes, as a matter of fact they do taste a little like chicken. Actually I would have to say they taste as much like chicken as they do roast pork. But it all depends on how you cook them. If you cook them in salted butter then they might be saltier than they might otherwise be."
"I went to a cutter's place and he was having an event where he cut a number of guys and I was assisting him there. And what I did is I cooked them up in some butter with some mushrooms. Quite good with a nice red merlot wine."

It seems like he also influenced Dr. Crane's decent into madness?

"In the last couple of years, my friend Mack from San Francisco ran into Dr. Crane from Brownstein & Crane and he met him, and I don't know how the two of them had the discussion, and then I had a phone interview with Dr. Crane and I explained my situation with him and now Dr. Crane is no longer doing just transgender type of procedures but [also] genital modifications."

The interviwer also asks about "the medical profession's reluctance to remove healthy body parts":

You know about the Hippocratic oath right? "First do no harm". They have to be convinced that what they are doing is in fact an improvement on your health. Which is why the surgeon is requesting a psychological evaluation. And the psychologist comes back and says "yeah, he's going to be uncomfortable where he is, he's going to be more improved, better mood, better this, better that" and so forth. So from a totality point of view, it's going to get better after he gets modified.

Of course, I can't leave out the pics:

Spoiler: You know what to expect

Now if you REALLY want to see more of those kinds of pics, the BDSM/Body Mod community has been doing the stuff for the longest time, BMEzine has galleries for most of the stuff (like female nullification which is harder to find, unfortunately you have to register so let's hope a kiwi into the stuff shares stuff.

Re: That final image- why does it seem like 9 times out of 10, "nullos" look like that? By which I mean, chubby gay white boomers? Yeah yeah I know there are exceptions but it seems like for every edgy BMEzine eunuch there are 9 dudes in baseball hats who look like they just hopped off a riding mower. Are they like, boomer ex-Catholics who are conflicted about faggot shit so they chop their dicks off but keep hooking up with dudes? Idgi

 

[UncleTusky]

Re: That final image- why does it seem like 9 times out of 10, "nullos" look like that? By which I mean, chubby gay white boomers? Yeah yeah I know there are exceptions but it seems like for every edgy BMEzine eunuch there are 9 dudes in baseball hats who look like they just hopped off a riding mower. Are they like, boomer ex-Catholics who are conflicted about faggot shit so they chop their dicks off but keep hooking up with dudes? Idgi

My Sigmund Freud avatar comes in handy once again!​

• The "chubby" part is simple, castration severely reduces testosterone levels resulting in gynecomastia (bitch tits) and overall weight gain even if he does not change his diet or exercise regimen.​
• "White" is because, if we're being blunt, the whole gay scene/subculture doesn't give much visibility (I hate that term but it actually fits here) to joggers, spics, or Asians.​
• For the "why not edgy BMEzine freak", that's PR . If a guy is already has hockey puck-sized earrings and tattoos over most of his body, I won't be that surprised if he's also had something done to his genitals. Having relatively normal looking guys as the new public face of this is still shocking in its own way because it's the kind of people we'd never suspect, but it also lets them downplay the idea that only absolute freaks would get it done.​
• For the "gay boomer" part, short answer is it's a mixture of human psychology and gay male subculture, full version is in the spoiler below:​

Spoiler: Long, also not even shitposting

On a long enough time scale, any sexual stimulus will lose its effectiveness. Even if a couple literally does not age due to some combination of surgery + incredible genes, seeing each other naked will eventually do nothing sexually due to desensitization. I can't explain the why but I imagine it mattered a lot less when we were just coming down from the trees and living to 40 was a near impossibility. So that's the first part, as people get older the vanilla stuff just doesn't do anything for them anymore and they have to go to even more extreme lengths.

The second part is that gay men are more tolerant of hookups and extreme fetishes (these groups have a ton of overlap) than normies. I know more about the psychology of arousal than I do about fetishes, but common sense tells us that if gay men have fewer qualms about hookups and readier access to fetish stuff, then the whole fetish scene will be mostly by and for gay men.

Combine these and I think the most likely answer is that these guys got into the fetish scene, started out with relatively harmless stuff, then kept progressing to more and more intense things as they got acclimated to whatever they were into at the time until they had nowhere to go but something truly horrifying - if they didn't get a dick chop they'd have probably gone for some kind of extreme BDSM or body mods instead. Hell that kind of "chasing the dragon" mentality isn't even that different from how troons keep getting more and more ridiculous surgeries to pass.

The other most likely reason they waited as long as they did is that they realized what they did would alienate them from most of the fetish and hookup scene: Even BMEzine, which endorses all kinds of crazy shit, treads lightly around this subject, and by his own admission that guy who got his junk cut off had a much, much harder (heh) time finding dates after he had it done. If I had to guess he wanted it sooner but balanced that against being rejected for being a fucking freak.

tl,dr: it's a fetish and we need to bring back old-fashioned ways to have a midlife crisis like buying Ferraris and dating 20-year-olds.

EDIT: I don't think religion is a part of it: I'm sure there are gay men who try to become celibate or sign up for conversion therapy quackery as they hit middle age and start worrying about what happens after they die but these freaks are just plain fetishists. In the interview you linked to the guy talks about how getting everything removed has improved his sex life and made even straight (ha!) guys want him. If there were religious guilt at play he'd probably be making some convoluted tie back to how celibacy and castration were endorsed by the early Church (which is accurate, but it also had zero tolerance for homosexuality or extramarital sex).​

 

[dappouROCK]

Why is it always called “full-depth” vagina? They always say 4 inches. 4 inches is not the full depth. Much like how the penis grows, when aroused the vaginal walls expand, allowing up to an average of 6 inches. This is like an FTM getting a full flaccid penis surgery. Why do trannies even bother? (rhetorical question)

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Why is it always called “full-depth” vagina?

The same reason it's called "vagina" - to pander to trans feelings. That's also why srs had several name changes and now it's called gender confirmation surgery (grs). Troonery is all about rejecting reality, including the reality of genital multilation surgery and its outcomes.

Also calling it full depth vagina leads to more delusional degenerates running to the genital butcher because they think that's what they actually get and that means more $$$$$.

 

[雑音🐈]

Why is the scar so fucking huge?? Hell, even tummy tucks don't look this bad. Why did they slice his entire fucking abdomen open??

Also, forgive me for being retarded, but what's with the big mark on the penis? Is it a port wine stain or some other kind of birth mark? It's also in the before picture, so I'm assuming he was born with that ugly thing.

knowing these perverts, it's probably from a prior failed DIY project.

 

[Little Dark Age]

My Sigmund Freud avatar comes in handy once again!​

• The "chubby" part is simple, castration severely reduces testosterone levels resulting in gynecomastia (bitch tits) and overall weight gain even if he does not change his diet or exercise regimen.​
• "White" is because, if we're being blunt, the whole gay scene/subculture doesn't give much visibility (I hate that term but it actually fits here) to joggers, spics, or Asians.​
• For the "why not edgy BMEzine freak", that's PR . If a guy is already has hockey puck-sized earrings and tattoos over most of his body, I won't be that surprised if he's also had something done to his genitals. Having relatively normal looking guys as the new public face of this is still shocking in its own way because it's the kind of people we'd never suspect, but it also lets them downplay the idea that only absolute freaks would get it done.​
• For the "gay boomer" part, short answer is it's a mixture of human psychology and gay male subculture, full version is in the spoiler below:​

Spoiler: Long, also not even shitposting

On a long enough time scale, any sexual stimulus will lose its effectiveness. Even if a couple literally does not age due to some combination of surgery + incredible genes, seeing each other naked will eventually do nothing sexually due to desensitization. I can't explain the why but I imagine it mattered a lot less when we were just coming down from the trees and living to 40 was a near impossibility. So that's the first part, as people get older the vanilla stuff just doesn't do anything for them anymore and they have to go to even more extreme lengths.

The second part is that gay men are more tolerant of hookups and extreme fetishes (these groups have a ton of overlap) than normies. I know more about the psychology of arousal than I do about fetishes, but common sense tells us that if gay men have fewer qualms about hookups and readier access to fetish stuff, then the whole fetish scene will be mostly by and for gay men.

Combine these and I think the most likely answer is that these guys got into the fetish scene, started out with relatively harmless stuff, then kept progressing to more and more intense things as they got acclimated to whatever they were into at the time until they had nowhere to go but something truly horrifying - if they didn't get a dick chop they'd have probably gone for some kind of extreme BDSM or body mods instead. Hell that kind of "chasing the dragon" mentality isn't even that different from how troons keep getting more and more ridiculous surgeries to pass.

The other most likely reason they waited as long as they did is that they realized what they did would alienate them from most of the fetish and hookup scene: Even BMEzine, which endorses all kinds of crazy shit, treads lightly around this subject, and by his own admission that guy who got his junk cut off had a much, much harder (heh) time finding dates after he had it done. If I had to guess he wanted it sooner but balanced that against being rejected for being a fucking freak.

tl,dr: it's a fetish and we need to bring back old-fashioned ways to have a midlife crisis like buying Ferraris and dating 20-year-olds.

EDIT: I don't think religion is a part of it: I'm sure there are gay men who try to become celibate or sign up for conversion therapy quackery as they hit middle age and start worrying about what happens after they die but these freaks are just plain fetishists. In the interview you linked to the guy talks about how getting everything removed has improved his sex life and made even straight (ha!) guys want him. If there were religious guilt at play he'd probably be making some convoluted tie back to how celibacy and castration were endorsed by the early Church (which is accurate, but it also had zero tolerance for homosexuality or extramarital sex).​

I don't really think there's a religious component either, but if there was, these guys wouldn't even admit it to themselves imo. I only brought up the religious part bc repressed gay middle/upper class white boomers who grew up during the sexual revolution and the 2nd Vatican council are fucking weird about gay shit sometimes.

Middle class boomer neurosis sperg

Spoiler

Full disclosure, I'm a total prude and religious weirdo, so this isn't some Amazing Atheist nonsense. And I'm not boomer-aged. But I'm going to be real here: I've witnessed flaming dudes with barely repressed rage who do things like keep going to church bc their WASP or Catholic mom raised them with middle class sensibilities and shame (I credit that at least as much as the religion part for their weirdness), and they witnessed the sexual revolution but didn't get on board for whatever reason (I do not blame them.) Only now they go to an Episcopalian church bc there's a lesbian lady priest and a rainbow on the door, but also they make AIDS jokes etc and everyone knows they're just white-knuckling it until their poor wife dies.

I could see a guy like that going hardcore fetish weird once he gets to blow the gasket, and also getting wires crossed and thinking "yeah! Cutting my dick off sounds good!"

 

[gaystoner]

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Why is it always called “full-depth” vagina? They always say 4 inches. 4 inches is not the full depth. Much like how the penis grows, when aroused the vaginal walls expand, allowing up to an average of 6 inches. This is like an FTM getting a full flaccid penis surgery. Why do trannies even bother? (rhetorical question)

Could a sexual partner having a larger penis than they have depth cause issues during intercourse?

 

[Coffee Druid]

Could a sexual partner having a larger penis than they have depth cause issues during intercourse?

Sometimes I begin to wonder how many post-op mtfs have sex with dudes. But then I stop that thought immediately. Still, those man-made tunnels can’t expand like a vagina. Best case, it just doesn’t go in all the way. Worst case, you get a lot of bleeding. There’s also the matter of having to dilate or it will probably lose depth or even close up.

 

[Little Dark Age]

Sometimes I begin to wonder how many post-op mtfs have sex with dudes. But then I stop that thought immediately. Still, those man-made tunnels can’t expand like a vagina. Best case, it just doesn’t go in all the way. Worst case, you get a lot of bleeding. There’s also the matter of having to dilate or it will probably lose depth or even close up.

I bet a LOT of the gay (or whateversexual) TWs just revert to oral & butt stuff. Apart from porn addict coomer types, straight dudes don't want to get with TWs. And last time I checked, gays aren't interested in weird approximations of vaginas.
As for the "I hooked up with a guy and he didn't know" stories (the ones that actually include penis-in-fakegina sex, not drunken handies), imo 90% of those stories are lies, and 9% are "oh honey, he knew."

I think the real answer is that a lot of them are very lonely. They don't even want to date one another.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

Could a sexual partner having a larger penis than they have depth cause issues during intercourse?

They make this ring similar to a cock ring made to keep someone who is large from going too deep or if a woman has a low cervix can be placed on the penis to prevent it from hitting it which is painful for most. I assume they use these.

 

[dappouROCK]

Could a sexual partner having a larger penis than they have depth cause issues during intercourse?

For transexuals, of course, they will always suffer. It's how you get cases like this.

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For an actual woman, yes. It can be a little painful and cause discomfort, especially if the man is too rough. Don't keep slamming your dick into her cervix, you'll cause it to bruise and potentially bleed (vaginal tearing) as well as make her sore due to the bruising.

Of course, not having enough depth may also be because the woman is not fully aroused. Make sure to treat your girl right before intercourse. Much like how the man needs to make his dick hard, the woman's vaginal walls need to expand.

If the woman is very wet (without the assistance of lube, ie via foreplay) her vaginal walls have fully expanded. I think that's the only relatively accurate way to know for sure what her depth is.

If the penis is still larger than the depth of the vagina, it highly recommended that you don't go balls deep. Hitting the cervix is something you want to avoid if you're being rough. However, it should be fine if you're taking it slow. Remember, you DO NOT want to bruise it.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

For transexuals, of course, they will always suffer. It's how you get cases like this.

This man was horribly multilated but still got literally hit in the dick & nuts.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I bet a LOT of the gay (or whateversexual) TWs just revert to oral & butt stuff. Apart from porn addict coomer types, straight dudes don't want to get with TWs. And last time I checked, gays aren't interested in weird approximations of vaginas.
As for the "I hooked up with a guy and he didn't know" stories (the ones that actually include penis-in-fakegina sex, not drunken handies), imo 90% of those stories are lies, and 9% are "oh honey, he knew."

I think the real answer is that a lot of them are very lonely. They don't even want to date one another.

I get that very feminine gay men can have a hard time finding a boyfriend, but it still seems like they’d have a bigger dating pool than an MTF, and they can find another man who actually loves them and not a chaser.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I bet a LOT of the gay (or whateversexual) TWs just revert to oral & butt stuff.

Someone posted a 4chan PSA in the social media thread that said that MtF surgery ruins anal sex because the neovagina is formed between the anus and the prostate. Does anyone know if that is true or if it's just a 4chan rumor? It is kind of horrifying that the surgery would ruin that as well, if your hair-vagina closes up and it is your only option.

 

[UncleTusky]

Someone posted a 4chan PSA in the social media thread that said that MtF surgery ruins anal sex because the neovagina is formed between the anus and the prostate. Does anyone know if that is true or if it's just a 4chan rumor? It is kind of horrifying that the surgery would ruin that as well, if your hair-vagina closes up and it is your only option.

It's either a 4chan shitpost or a serious misunderstanding of male anatomy and genital surgery for TiMs.

The anatomy thing makes no sense, the prostate is above the neovagina and adjacent to the colon so it's not clear how a butcher could put anything in there let alone a fuckhole. If this a misunderstanding of the surgery then the poster was probably thinking of a fistula (flesh based tunnel) forming between the neovagina and colon which is a real and serious but fairly rare complication. The fistula will result in feces entering the neovagina which poses obvious infection risks and will also result in uncontrolled defecation and flatulence from the neovagina because it has no sphincter muscles. Any sort of sex is a terrible idea with this complication but the patient is going to have more obvious and pressing issues like not dying of sepsis.

 

[Syntaxion]

I get that very feminine gay men can have a hard time finding a boyfriend, but it still seems like they’d have a bigger dating pool than an MTF, and they can find another man who actually loves them and not a chaser.

I think some of them specifically want to date "straight men". No idea why, maybe lower chances of aids or maybe it's just a fetish thing. But it explains why they want nothing more than to pass as women, genitals and all. Same with mtf prostitutes, their goal is straight men, not gay men.

 

[sanguis draconis]

I think some of them specifically want to date "straight men".

Isn't that basically the same for all of them? The same way that (some) straight men really want to bang a lesbian, there is some gay men that really obssess over straight men (Jeffrey Star and James Charles are 2 non-trans exemples). So HSTS want straight men, transbians want lesbians, and the same for the ftms (fujoshis and butch women lusting for a straight girl).

Honestly think the media they consume and relationships they want to emulate has a lot to do with it too (the gays I have a bit more sympathy cause I assume they also want to be like a normal mainstream couple white andro/gynephiles seems fueled by being Extremelly Online) but at the end of the day it involves wanting to be with people that are not attracted to them so it's a problem either way.

Bisexuals in general never seem to be the main objects of lust but are usually the ones sucking the fake penis/clitty and pretending it's the same as a cis one

Why is it always called “full-depth” vagina?

The constante talk about depth and how many "inches" they have is the weirdest thing ever, it's funny that the mtfs talk about their "inches" way more than the ftms do, even. I have never met a single woman that mentioned the depth of their vaginma in any context ever

 

[Sonya-chan]

I'll never look at figs and passion fruits the same way now.

Vanessa Vokey made this video and oh god it's so hard to watch.

Sorry for laaaaaaaaate post but really I'm tired of all these videos and comments about the problem without offering any kind of solutions, I get it, some girls hate being girls because of society, now what? What if a girl come accross this video? What kind of advice should she get? I've never seen radfem talked about coping mechanisms for FtMtF, or help, just "Poor girls cutting themselves, if only we can do something...", what are you waiting for then?
Vanessa is the perfect example of the insensitive radfem.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

I think some of them specifically want to date "straight men". No idea why, maybe lower chances of aids or maybe it's just a fetish thing. But it explains why they want nothing more than to pass as women, genitals and all. Same with mtf prostitutes, their goal is straight men, not gay men.

It's for validation, same reason so many AGPs insist on trying to date lesbians. HSTSs may actually have more luck in that regard, I'd image there are more tranny chasers who have the sense to not admit they're chasers than there are women who call themselves lesbians but are willing to suck the girldick.

Some AGP trannies even develop pseudobisexuality, previously exclusively straight men who start wanting to date other straight men after trooning out because the thrill of their fetish for being seen as a woman overrides their innate sexual orientation.