Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[ZMOT]

Interesting, but I was just saying that it looks absolutely ridiculous from the outside. There aren't hordes of Nazi software developers because no one would want to use software developed by the people on A&N. What was the excuse given for removing this guy? Rape attempts?

probably something he posted on twitter or wrote somewhere else, usually years old.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Interesting, but I was just saying that it looks absolutely ridiculous from the outside. There aren't hordes of Nazi software developers because no one would want to use software developed by the people on A&N. What was the excuse given for removing this guy? Rape attempts?

I don't know the specifics offhand. "Conflicts of Interest" from something he said a decade ago. Probably something along the lines of "we should consider people innocent until they're actually proven guilty" or "what in the ever loving fuck do pronouns have to do with Kernel patches?" There's mention that he's conservative in the reddit thread, and apparently a "rape apologist?" I know circa 2018 was the era of "a drunk woman who has sex is raped, so sayeth we unfuckable femcels who have never went to a bar and hooked up with anyone in our lives" -- so it could be something like that? Sharp trooned the fuck out shortly before this, so who knows what madness was spewing out of her brain.

Quite a bit of madness, whatever it was. And it looks like it has only gotten worse in the past 3 years:

I do remember vaguely Sharp and her cronies were calling for "transparency" -- that is, the immediate public announcement of any accusations (with the accuser's information removed, of course, to "protect" them), which 2 years in is now a very recognizable attempt to set up MeToo Cancel Mobs. Accuse, public announcement of accusation, the cancelation can begin by allies of the accuser. She was also demanding a cabal of SJWs be involved in finding the accused guilty. Er, sorry, "investigating all offenses." Er, sorry, claims. Claims. "Investigating all claims."

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Interesting, but I was just saying that it looks absolutely ridiculous from the outside. There aren't hordes of Nazi software developers because no one would want to use software developed by the people on A&N. What was the excuse given for removing this guy? Rape attempts?

I actually went looking and it's been INCREDIBLY well memory holed. I'm 99% sure that the person in question was Ted Ts'o. I think what he said was something like "I'm not so sure about the statistic about 1 in 4 women being raped. A lot of things included in there aren't, strictly speaking, rape."

Of course, wanting to know the specific definition of rape makes you a rapist, or at least rape adjacent.

 

[byuu]

I actually went looking and it's been INCREDIBLY well memory holed. I'm 99% sure that the person in question was Ted Ts'o. I think what he said was something like "I'm not so sure about the statistic about 1 in 4 women being raped. A lot of things included in there aren't, strictly speaking, rape."

Of course, wanting to know the specific definition of rape makes you a rapist, or at least rape adjacent.

The KIA page talks about the tweets here: https://archive.is/WJncT
It was about Ts'o as a member of the technical advisory board of the Linux foundation (which has nothing to do with the Linux kernel).
He's still a member of it to this day, so Sarah Sharp's whining didn't accomplish anything.

 

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The KIA page talks about the tweets here: https://archive.md/WJncT
It was about Ts'o as a member of the technical advisory board of the Linux foundation (which has nothing to do with the Linux kernel).
He's still a member of it to this day, so Sarah Sharp's whining didn't accomplish anything.

I'm confused, because that thread says Tso kept Intel from putting a NSA backdoor in the Kernel. Isn't the technical advisory board basically the Kernel devteam under a different name?

 

[byuu]

I'm confused, because that thread says Tso kept Intel from putting a NSA backdoor in the Kernel. Isn't the technical advisory board basically the Kernel devteam under a different name?

No, Ts'o has been a kernel dev for forever, before the Linux foundation even existed.

 

[Fuck Y'all]

Trans dev of PCem nukes the project

Probably due to fork drama

 

[Least Concern]

Trans dev of PCem nukes the project

Probably due to fork drama

What was the drama about? Give us the story.

 

[Plank]

PCem:

GitHub - sarah-walker-pcem/pcem: PCem

PCem. Contribute to sarah-walker-pcem/pcem development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I don't see any drama in the project discussions.

Not much of the dev's personal page:

sarah-walker-pcem - Overview

sarah-walker-pcem has 2 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

github.com

PCem IBM PC emulator needs developers.

https://pcem-emulator.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3708&sid=135861f7c16c51af20e03af1653782b6 Full quote below: Hi all You may have noticed there's been extremely little activity since the v17 release back in December. This isn't a sign of super secret dev work I'm afraid. I've been...

www.resetera.com

Hi all

You may have noticed there's been extremely little activity since the v17 release back in December. This isn't a sign of super secret dev work I'm afraid. I've been working on PCem for about 15 years now, and it's hard to keep enthusiastic about any one project that long. With the addition of Pentium II and Voodoo Banshee emulation, v17 saw PCem hit my long term goals of what I wanted to do with the project; it would be nice if it was a bit faster, but ultimately I've done what I originally set out to do.

I had considered just walking away, however if I did that now PCem would likely just wither away and die. So I'm staying around for now; there are bugs I'd ideally like to get fixed, and there are a few potentially interesting bits of hardware to implement. However, I want to really encourage more people to get involved with the project, and with the _running_ of the project, so that when I'm done I can hand it over to people I trust to keep it going.

I'm still trying to figure out realistically what will and won't work here. In the immediate term I'm making two changes - firstly, I've turned on GitHub's issue tracking feature (https://github.com/sarah-walker-pcem/pcem/issues). This should helpfully work better as bug tracking than this forum. I'll look at migrating some of the bugs I'm aware of to the new system, and would encourage any new bugs to be created here.

Secondly, I'm removing my "polite request" to not share non-official builds of the emulator. This has caused problems in the past, and I fully accept it's not helpful when trying to encourage open and shared development. I'm aware GitHub has some automation features that should allow automated builds following a commit, if anyone has experience of this then please let me know!

Longer term there will be more changes needed. I'm not good at trusting people and handing over access/power relating to my projects, anyone who's been around a while will know how badly things go when I'm pushed too far and too fast. This will take time, but I think we'll end up with a better, more open project as a result.

Contribute to the PCem emulator if old. Lack of manpower will definitely stagnate the emulator, and will die if given enough time.

https://archive.md/KCAhD

Also, briefly mentioned here:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/retro-games-and-emulation.30435/page-35#post-9208283

 

[Fuck Y'all]

What was the drama about? Give us the story.

IIRC Battler, dev of 86Box (a PCem fork) was spergy on PCem forums

Too bad they're now nuked :/

 

[Shoggoth]

Seems like there's a small racket over at the Racket community haha
https://beautifulracket.com/appendix/why-i-no-longer-contribute-to-racket.html https://archive.md/yCDzt

 

[D.Va]

they were meeting face to face and all these words. just punch each other you cowards

 

[Besachf Jhakut]

Seems like there's a small racket over at the Racket community hahahttps://beautifulracket.com/appendix/why-i-no-longer-contribute-to-racket.html https://archive.md/yCDzt

Always been an awful community as far as I can tell, and were primarily responsible for smashing the Scheme language community when they were a large faction writing and ramming through the R6RS standard.

When almost none of the existing let alone major Scheme implementations but Chez Scheme which was still closed source and non-free adopted it, this then named PLT group took their marbles home and broke with the community to create Racket. A particularly disgusting hit and run likely going to be made worse by the academic focused core of the project, as far as I can tell all grad students of Matthias Felleisen or grad students of those, planning on abandoning S-expressions as the primary syntax. The R6RS mess is still causing a lot of difficulty in the community.

For more info on this, including lots of details on why you might say Matthias Felleisen is a Nazi cow (self-styled conservative from Germany), you can check out the following discussions, "Why I no longer contribute to Racket" got things started when a major non-core contributor needed to answer so many people asking why he'd dropped out of the project, ditto, and a discussion of Felleisen's "apology".

 

[Least Concern]

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[eternal dog mongler]

When almost none of the existing let alone major Scheme implementations but Chez Scheme which was still closed source and non-free adopted it, this then named PLT group took their marbles home and broke with the community to create Racket. A particularly disgusting hit and run likely going to be made worse by the academic focused core of the project, as far as I can tell all grad students of Matthias Felleisen or grad students of those, planning on abandoning S-expressions as the primary syntax. The R6RS mess is still causing a lot of difficulty in the community.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone actually use these languages outside of academia? I know Haskell has some weird representation in fintech or at least used to.

 

[Besachf Jhakut]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone actually use these languages outside of academia? I know Haskell has some weird representation in fintech or at least used to.

Haskell gets used in a number of odd niches, like it was part of the process of creating the seL4 microkernel, and that uses ML a lot. For fintech you might be thinking of Jane Street Capital and OCaml. I think some companies use Common Lisp, a lot of companies use Clojure and ClojureScript, but the Scheme community is pretty small, in part due to the R6RS self-own mentioned which happened a month and a half before Clojure was first released. In one of the recent Racket discussions it was claimed that Scala has a similar community problem with a corncob. But it is used for Chisel which is very big in RISC-V circles, although I don't now how big it is outside of academic work on that macroarchitecture.

 

[Least Concern]

Things that totally happened: the leader of an Audacity fork quit (a) after harassment, including a stabbing, from 4chan.

If things had ended there, the two projects could have lived side-by-side – but cookiengineer claims 4chan members took things considerably further, including into physical harassment. He claimed: "It was attempted murder with an illegal butterfly knife. In the whole state of Germany, butterfly knifes are considered an illegal weapon. There were three witnesses in place that saw the incident. I was slit in the arm. On private property, that you have to physically break into in order to enter."

mmm hmm.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Things that totally happened: the leader of an Audacity fork quit (a) after harassment, including a stabbing, from 4chan.



mmm hmm.

4chan definitely sent that "tan german" out to mug him at night.

 

[DumbDude42]

Things that totally happened: the leader of an Audacity fork quit (a) after harassment, including a stabbing, from 4chan.



mmm hmm.

>4chan users who are into turbonerd software fork drama are supposed to be hardened criminals who will break into your house at night and stab you with knives

i seriously doubt it lol

the reason for his beef with 4chan is fucking hilarious though

The cause of this alleged harassment? A disagreement over the project's name. Being unable to use the Audacity trademark, now owned by Muse Group, cookiengineer ran a poll to find a new name for the fork. Those on 4chan who can never pass up an opportunity to influence the outcome of a poll took it into their hands to ensure Sneedacity, a reference to a throwaway Simpsons gag in which a store is signposted "Sneed's Feed & Seed, formerly Chuck's", won.


When cookiengineer deleted the poll and picked Tenacity as the project's name instead, it didn't go over well. The initial response from involved 4chan members, who are by nature of the board anonymous, seemed entirely measured: forking the Audacity project themselves, and creating the Sneedacity of which they had felt robbed.

4chan/g/ is having a lot of fun with this: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/82440279

 

[D.Va]

SCENARIO: Someone has broken into your home and attempted to murder you with a butterfly knife! What do you do?

1. Call the police immediately, seek safe refuge and double-check the security of your home
2. Write a formatted longpost to GitHub and post it a mere two fucking hours after the incident happens

This guy seemed to have an obsession with 4chan as much as they did with him and I'd reckon events were exaggerated a bit if they even happened at all. Apparently it started over him getting autistic about /g/ rigging a naming poll which is why Sneedacity now exists as its own fork.

It wouldn't be the first time the detractors of the project have lied to get their way; here's someone filing a request to remove Sneedacity from Arch's repositories because sneed means "special need". Whoever EndlessEden is, their GitHub and LinkedIn is a ghost town, so who knows what they do or why they are equally obsessed with a shitpost fork.