Clayton Ray Huff / Dream / DreamOnPvP / DreamTraps / DreamAF / DreamXD / DeltaKnight / DreamSkilful / Clayman23 - Fat Minecraft Youtuber with fans that want to torture and rape him and are in denial that he's fat.

Is JacobTMK the Fatman?

  • Yes! It's a deadringer!

    Votes: 305 13.2%
  • No! That's Dream!

    Votes: 1,713 74.1%
  • It's neither of them!

    Votes: 295 12.8%

  • Total voters
    2,313
Yeah he's clearly not confident in his looks or something is up that he goes to such great lengths to hide the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if he's actively trying to meet the image he has fostered with his fans, but it's possible his natural build is too manly at this point to even reach that ideal. I mean all the fanart I see is basically the exact same teenage boy build that most guys grow out of in their 20s, some even sooner. Clay is a whale so it's hard to say say what his natural build is, but I've wondered if he has lost weight and realized he can never look like the Dream in any of the fanart.

Or he's still very much obese and just riding things out with the intent to never reveal himself, which would mean blatantly lying about meetups.
Given the fanart is based off of the photos from his IG, it wouldn't be too far off. Whether you believe it's Clay or Coleton doesn't really matter too much, considering siblings generally have the same bone/muscular structure. It's more common that brothers will have similar height/build than for them to have vastly different ones.

That said, I'm starting to doubt the Coleton body double theory. The main reason is the fact that Sapnap has lost 70 lbs within a few months of living with Clay. Given Sapnap's 5'8, that's a substantial difference for someone of his size. It's just easier to to look at Clay's roommate losing almost half his weight in 6 months and assume that Clay's slimmed down over the past 3+ years.
 
Given the fanart is based off of the photos from his IG, it wouldn't be too far off. Whether you believe it's Clay or Coleton doesn't really matter too much, considering siblings generally have the same bone/muscular structure. It's more common that brothers will have similar height/build than for them to have vastly different ones.

That said, I'm starting to doubt the Coleton body double theory. The main reason is the fact that Sapnap has lost 70 lbs within a few months of living with Clay. Given Sapnap's 5'8, that's a substantial difference for someone of his size. It's just easier to to look at Clay's roommate losing almost half his weight in 6 months and assume that Clay's slimmed down over the past 3+ years.
Coleton is younger than Clay.
I think Clay is still trying to lose the weight as he didn't become a big youtuber until last year and he wasn't just "fat" he was obese and was a fat kid all his life, so it's a much more drastic life change than it would be for a normal overweight guy. Though I'm sure he can pull it off, it may be the case that it'll take so long that he's physically matured beyond the possibility of resembling what he's previously led people on to believe is him. I could be wrong and he's naturally a beanpole, but blacking out the reflection in your cat's eyes is insane and there's no way that "irl dream" seen before was him.

I'm looking forward to any proposed meetups and how he handles them. His face alone is going to disappoint a lot of fans and he has only himself to blame.
 
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Someone always sexualizes something. There is a man out there with gigabytes of images of floor tiles he shoots rope to. If some likely troon with autism getting turned on by a fat man driving a car surprises anyone by this point, then my condolences for your recently lost innocence.

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The only reason they didn't remove his runs back in December was due to Clay being a big factor in Minecraft speedruns gaining popularity.
I remain unconvinced that more than 20% of Dream's total audience actually played the game at any point. I'm not convinced that 10% of them play it regularly. He was becoming a "if you're rich and famous you get away with murder" kind of OJ Simpson argument, I'm glad that was untrue.


To some people... no Karl wasn't paid off, that's just ridiculous and stupid because the video didn't make the green cheater look more innocent and it didn't paint him in better light. "I don't know" isn't a fucking excuse and there's no way 24 hours of streams with consistently boosted droprates isn't a product of some kind of cheating, he's just a fucking retard and since all he did was play Minecraft all day, he never learned anything useful in high school.

An even shorter summary:
1. Photonexcitation.com
Dream found Dr. Harvard, the Dr wanted the payment to go through and branded under his LLC for tax reasons and anonymity. (It's definitely possible to dox the person but why?)

Not the other way around, he didn't find some whack site that offered consulting.

2. Cheater
He cheated, plain and simple. Mod was installed, his modding employee stayed silent in fear of being fired. Reasonable. Still a cheater.

3. H33b and Commentary Community are retarded
Need I say more? They grift by summarising threads found on some autistic forum.

4. Dr. Harvard report wasn't independently conducted
Semantics, basically the green cheater skewed the results in his favour in the p-hacking section, 10 or 37 whatever, 1 in 100 million isn't feasibly more than 1 in 7.5 trillion. Dr. Harvard reached same conclusion as mods.

5. Dream's behaviour
idgaf, he's a fag.
 
I remain unconvinced that more than 20% of Dream's total audience actually played the game at any point. I'm not convinced that 10% of them play it regularly. He was becoming a "if you're rich and famous you get away with murder" kind of OJ Simpson argument, I'm glad that was untrue.
Same, I think his gaming of the algorithm has just lumped him in with the general dumb stuff kids watch on youtube.

To some people... no Karl wasn't paid off, that's just ridiculous and stupid because the video didn't make the green cheater look more innocent and it didn't paint him in better light. "I don't know" isn't a fucking excuse and there's no way 24 hours of streams with consistently boosted droprates isn't a product of some kind of cheating, he's just a fucking retard and since all he did was play Minecraft all day, he never learned anything useful in high school.
No way Karl was paid off for the video but it does make Dream look better, in my opinion. I think Karl was trying too hard to be professionally neutral and gave too many benefits of doubt to Dream as a result. There's not a chance that Dream didn't both recognize boosted drop rates across multiple runs and didn't consider his in-house mod after the speedrun mods called him out. This retard claimed to have reverse engineered things to try to figure out what was going on yet can't even reverse engineer a mod he would have access to the source code for. All of his excuses fall flat in hindsight.

When covering his talk with the mod developer, the mod dev apparently claims he just changed drop rates without anyone's knowledge (doubt) but also specifically advised that certain drop rates be improved for all players in DreamSMP. So even giving Dream the benefit of the doubt on knowing drops were changed on the server, his developer apparently brought this up before ever doing it. I also find it unlikely that the same guy afraid to lose his job over all of this would say a single bad thing about Dream publicly and talking to Karl Jobst for his video is effectively public.

Karl says this is reasonable because the developer withheld these changes even when apparently helping Dream personally figure out the discrepancy. Did everyone just forget the developer brought up modifying drop rates before? Did no one notice these rates were different on the SMP?
2. Cheater
He cheated, plain and simple. Mod was installed, his modding employee stayed silent in fear of being fired. Reasonable. Still a cheater.
Unreasonable. I touched on it above but Dream apparently didn't even consider this mod even after being accused. The claim is that the mod developer included server-side things in the client-side version of the mod, which indicates at least Dream knew that drop rates were altered in the server plugin to some degree. This is fine on its own, but it begs the question, "Why didn't Dream even consider the client-side version of the plugin?" The accusations were that drop rates were affected and he had a server plugin affecting those same drop rates for his entertainment videos, so that would reasonably be one of the earlier things to consider. The retort is "Dream didn't know about any drop rate changes" which is just retarded. If that's true, his developer should be fired for willy nilly changing things without telling people and withholding it when it mattered most.


Karl barely touched on this, but Dream drug multiple people through the mud and used a lot of manipulation tactics to try to cover his own ass in his response video, tweets, bathtub apology, and more. I don't think someone who made an understandable mistake would behave so consistently like that for so long, particularly upon realizing their supposedly innocent mistake. He even tried to manipulate the Harvard guy to give him better odds and then tried to sell 1 in 100,000,000 as reasonable fucking odds for multiple runs in a short timeframe. Clay is a fucking snake. One of those snakes that engorged itself on an entire deer.
 
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Why didn't Dream even consider the client-side version of the plugin?
He said he did and the person claimed he didn't know, then he raged and nuked everything like a queer. I don't mind believing him because he's clearly math-retarded. With everything laid out clearly indicating 24 hours of runs having consistently higher bartering success rates that were similar to the boosted ones from his shitty server fake drama grift, the only sensible conclusion anyone with an ounce of education should be "the rates have been altered (somehow)". This wasn't the case with Dream because he was playing with blocks in his mathematics classes. He's probably one of those retards that think math is useless because calculators exist.

Here's another point, if he had thousands to pay some Harvard Asstrohstautist, why didn't he just recover the deleted files to see what's going on? What part of "24 hours worth of runs with consistently double/triple the rates of usual drops is sketchy" doesn't he comprehend? He's either an absolute retard or cares about mianzi like some slant at an old classmates gathering. Since he characterised his Dr. Harvard's "one in 10 million" as "it's 7.49999 trillion off" therefore I didn't cheat [insert adhom volunteer status here], I'm leaning towards a combination of both.

As for the drop rates, you can test it yourself. With about 20-30 barters in each run, it's not that noticeable (5%>10%) unless you put it side by side with someone else doing old bartering strats, that's how the original person noticed, he did runs too.

Ideally, an experiment involving two groups of players can be done, tell group A the rates are altered and don't tell group B anything, then ask both if they felt "higher drop rates". Bartering is done about a dozen times every 15 minutes or so. I'd be surprised if a lot from B noticed the change. Yes, this is too autistic.

It's abundantly clear when you just go wild and do like 300 barters using the new bastion routes. The bastions basically rendered bartering RNG void, 5% lottery run killer is now void, that's kind of like the "gambling question" now, lotteries are hard to win but it's won all the time. You can see my older post where I explained a similar situation I encountered in some game I used to play. The altered rates weren't noticeable unless groups and groups of mobs were defeated.

Not too sure about Karl, he wasn't paid off but the fence is way too far up his butt. I think his video barely made the cheater look better, but that's just my opinion.
 
they’re probably just not hitting any new levels of exceptional. they’re not in hibernation, sadly.
 
I haven't heard about the tomfuckery Dream stans are pulling for a while. Am I living on a rock or are all the Minecraft stans hibernating?
I noticed it too. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of activity, and I assume they’re all interacting on dream’s private Twitter or just a small circle of personal friends. Maybe they took the hint and just. Fucked off from the general public. But that’s 🌈
 
Someone always sexualizes something. There is a man out there with gigabytes of images of floor tiles he shoots rope to. If some likely troon with autism getting turned on by a fat man driving a car surprises anyone by this point, then my condolences for your recently lost innocence.

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Given the shit I've seen dream stans making and reposting tile bro seems sane by comparison, at least he imagined the floor tiles as female anyways
 
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