Serious LGBT Discussion

[Whatevermancer]

I wonder if all this "LGB drop the T" stuff will come back to bite you in the ass. Cause people that hate trannies usually also hate homos as well, and siding with people that hate you doesn't seem like a good idea.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

I wonder if all this "LGB drop the T" stuff will come back to bite you in the ass. Cause people that hate trannies usually also hate homos as well, and siding with people that hate you doesn't seem like a good idea.

Like the troon menace doesn't hate our fucking guts and have way more economic & political power to accomplish their goals than conservatives. They're the immediate threat. Republicans didn't start a campaign to medically abuse, mutilate, and transform gay adolescents with pills.

I would just like to be able to coexist with people I don't agree with without us trying to destroy each other. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Whatevermancer]

Like the troon menace doesn't hate our fucking guts and have way more economic & political power to accomplish their goals than conservatives.

Do they, though?

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I wonder if all this "LGB drop the T" stuff will come back to bite you in the ass. Cause people that hate trannies usually also hate homos as well, and siding with people that hate you doesn't seem like a good idea.

No.

Because if you strawman an old notion that "all people opposed to troons are bible thumping evangelicals and the only reasons people dislike troons is because theyre transphobes or homophobes", you're missing the point.

Noone gives a shit about the bible or jeebus here, or if they do- theyre typically pretty nuanced and don't give much of a fuck. Most people would be pretty chill with train drivers as well, sans some wariness now perhaps, save for the fact that a very radical contingent of trans rights advocates have hijacked the broader movement, with said broader movements apparent blessing, and are pushing things from self-id laws without any medical transitioning, being able to show your genitals to kids in changing rooms of the opposite sex, pushing for srs in kids and teenagers, going to twitter to advocate buying hormones on the black market, and otherwise a lot of other fucky stuff with changing the laws around gender, sex, and language.

Saying "I wonder if all this 'LGB drop the T' will come back to bite you in the ass" is about as disingenuous as saying something like "I wonder if all this Gays, except the pedophiles stuff (something that was a big selling point, in the 60s), will come to bite you in the ass because the people that hate the pedos usually also hate the gays as well".

If LGBs don't want to be associated with crazed troons shoving their genitals in youngster's faces, thats on the LGB. TRAs are increasingly demanding that, if someone is to be supportive of trans people, they have to support shit like that- so I wouldn't be cross when people simply choose not to, nor equate that with "well, the homophobes are also transphobes so you have to support the trans!!1"

 

[Cool kitties club]

I wonder if all this "LGB drop the T" stuff will come back to bite you in the ass. Cause people that hate trannies usually also hate homos as well, and siding with people that hate you doesn't seem like a good idea.

As long as you aren't a creepy faggot most don't care anymore kinda tired of the psy op intrinsically linked with the insanity of the "lgbt" community.

 

[polonium]

I wonder if all this "LGB drop the T" stuff will come back to bite you in the ass. Cause people that hate trannies usually also hate homos as well, and siding with people that hate you doesn't seem like a good idea.

So what if it does, if someone hates me because I'm gay, that's fine. I'm at peace with it, it's their right to live their best life, so long as they aren't trying to injure me physically we'll just have to go our separate ways.

If someone hates me because they hate trannies and the whole media and woke brigade have decided to lump me in with a pack of disgusting predatory creeps who want to mutilate and molest kids then, no. I don't advocate for or support any of the things trannies and their enablers are pushing for and I don't see why I have to let them represent me and speak on my behalf.

The same goes for those gross fags wearing bondage gear and flashing their dicks at kids at pride parades. Fuck the lot of them, get them all out of the LGB movement, let me be hated on my own merits.

 

[RayBlue123(TransRights)]

No.

Because if you strawman an old notion that "all people opposed to troons are bible thumping evangelicals and the only reasons people dislike troons is because theyre transphobes or homophobes", you're missing the point.

Noone gives a shit about the bible or jeebus here, or if they do- theyre typically pretty nuanced and don't give much of a fuck. Most people would be pretty chill with train drivers as well, sans some wariness now perhaps, save for the fact that a very radical contingent of trans rights advocates have hijacked the broader movement, with said broader movements apparent blessing, and are pushing things from self-id laws without any medical transitioning, being able to show your genitals to kids in changing rooms of the opposite sex, pushing for srs in kids and teenagers, going to twitter to advocate buying hormones on the black market, and otherwise a lot of other fucky stuff with changing the laws around gender, sex, and language.

Saying "I wonder if all this 'LGB drop the T' will come back to bite you in the ass" is about as disingenuous as saying something like "I wonder if all this Gays, except the pedophiles stuff (something that was a big selling point, in the 60s), will come to bite you in the ass because the people that hate the pedos usually also hate the gays as well".

If LGBs don't want to be associated with crazed troons shoving their genitals in youngster's faces, thats on the LGB. TRAs are increasingly demanding that, if someone is to be supportive of trans people, they have to support shit like that- so I wouldn't be cross when people simply choose not to, nor equate that with "well, the homophobes are also transphobes so you have to support the trans!!1"

Actually TRAs are enabled by the social constructionism theory of feminists more than with LGB people. They believe gender is not real and should be abolished (Stonewall craziness, enbies, xenogenders come from this) Like if you do not pass or do not transition, don't be a fag when someone misgenders you (applies to enbies). I have no problem with a trannie who passes well, acts like a woman, and don't base their identity around being "trans".

 

[polonium]

a trannie who passes well, acts like a woman, and don't base their identity around being "trans".

I also have no problem with imaginary characters

 

[RayBlue123(TransRights)]

I also have no problem with imaginary characters

I'm personally opposed to transgenderism but due to my leftist enviroment (IRL and online), I are forced to accept them.

 

[Kornula]

No.

Because if you strawman an old notion that "all people opposed to troons are bible thumping evangelicals and the only reasons people dislike troons is because theyre transphobes or homophobes", you're missing the point.

Noone gives a shit about the bible or jeebus here, or if they do- theyre typically pretty nuanced and don't give much of a fuck. Most people would be pretty chill with train drivers as well, sans some wariness now perhaps, save for the fact that a very radical contingent of trans rights advocates have hijacked the broader movement, with said broader movements apparent blessing, and are pushing things from self-id laws without any medical transitioning, being able to show your genitals to kids in changing rooms of the opposite sex, pushing for srs in kids and teenagers, going to twitter to advocate buying hormones on the black market, and otherwise a lot of other fucky stuff with changing the laws around gender, sex, and language.

Saying "I wonder if all this 'LGB drop the T' will come back to bite you in the ass" is about as disingenuous as saying something like "I wonder if all this Gays, except the pedophiles stuff (something that was a big selling point, in the 60s), will come to bite you in the ass because the people that hate the pedos usually also hate the gays as well".

If LGBs don't want to be associated with crazed troons shoving their genitals in youngster's faces, thats on the LGB. TRAs are increasingly demanding that, if someone is to be supportive of trans people, they have to support shit like that- so I wouldn't be cross when people simply choose not to, nor equate that with "well, the homophobes are also transphobes so you have to support the trans!!1"

exactly

 

[Meiwaku]

Actually TRAs are enabled by the social constructionism theory of feminists more than with LGB people.

Trannies did to feminist theory (social construct of gender) what Marx did to Hegel. Turned it on its head and shat in its mouth.

Conservative= biological sex and gender stereotyping are the same thing
Libfem and TRA= gender is a feeling biological sex doesn't matter and isn't worth looking at
Radfem= Biological sex is real. Gender is a social construct and is different globally and based on the individual person.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Best friend is a lesbian. She and I occasionally trade our polar opposite experiences with how our own sexualities manifest their influences on the parts of our lives they affect, plus our interactions with "the community". We don't even really think we have a whole lot in common there, and agreed that the L and G is more a marriage of convenience than a shared experience. From what she's seen of lesbian land, they have a grumbling resentment toward gay guys regarding the troon menace. Mostly because the MTFs are *way* more pushy and sexually aggressive than your average FTM, and adding the fact that "lesbianism" in troons looks like it comes from autogynephilia and all the porn-sickness that implies more often than not, it's a recipe for unstable Dainty UwU Princesses descending on the lesbian bars and dating apps like a mongol horde. The FTMs haven't raised anywhere near that level of craziness among the gay guys (the bizarre mandatory LGBT "I support literally anything troons do" shrink-wrapped politics package notwithstanding), so from a groupthink perspective it seems like the gay guys just don't have any fucks to give about wacky troon hijinks. Makes the lesbians feel like the gay guys don't have their backs so long as they aren't affected.

 

[RayBlue123(TransRights)]

Best friend is a lesbian. She and I occasionally trade our polar opposite experiences with how our own sexualities manifest their influences on the parts of our lives they affect, plus our interactions with "the community". We don't even really think we have a whole lot in common there, and agreed that the L and G is more a marriage of convenience than a shared experience. From what she's seen of lesbian land, they have a grumbling resentment toward gay guys regarding the troon menace. Mostly because the MTFs are *way* more pushy and sexually aggressive than your average FTM, and adding the fact that "lesbianism" in troons looks like it comes from autogynephilia and all the porn-sickness that implies more often than not, it's a recipe for unstable Dainty UwU Princesses descending on the lesbian bars and dating apps like a mongol horde. The FTMs haven't raised anywhere near that level of craziness among the gay guys (the bizarre mandatory LGBT "I support literally anything troons do" shrink-wrapped politics package notwithstanding), so from a groupthink perspective it seems like the gay guys just don't have any fucks to give about wacky troon hijinks. Makes the lesbians feel like the gay guys don't have their backs so long as they aren't affected.

Numbers do matter. There are more MtFs than FtMs in the trans community. So gay men do not feel invaded by FtMs while lesbians are invaded.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Best friend is a lesbian. She and I occasionally trade our polar opposite experiences with how our own sexualities manifest their influences on the parts of our lives they affect, plus our interactions with "the community". We don't even really think we have a whole lot in common there, and agreed that the L and G is more a marriage of convenience than a shared experience. From what she's seen of lesbian land, they have a grumbling resentment toward gay guys regarding the troon menace. Mostly because the MTFs are *way* more pushy and sexually aggressive than your average FTM, and adding the fact that "lesbianism" in troons looks like it comes from autogynephilia and all the porn-sickness that implies more often than not, it's a recipe for unstable Dainty UwU Princesses descending on the lesbian bars and dating apps like a mongol horde. The FTMs haven't raised anywhere near that level of craziness among the gay guys (the bizarre mandatory LGBT "I support literally anything troons do" shrink-wrapped politics package notwithstanding), so from a groupthink perspective it seems like the gay guys just don't have any fucks to give about wacky troon hijinks. Makes the lesbians feel like the gay guys don't have their backs so long as they aren't affected.

Troons are typically pushier and more aggressive than normal men. They'd be a blight on any community they're a part of, so to have them focus like a laser on one community (lesbians) must be irritating indeed.

 

[Some Badger]

I'm personally opposed to transgenderism but due to my leftist enviroment (IRL and online), I are forced to accept them.

Nothing wrong with feigning support for troons; corporations in Current Year do it all the time. :^)

 

[Skel Jug]

I regret being gay

 

[Meiwaku]

Numbers do matter. There are more MtFs than FtMs in the trans community. So gay men do not feel invaded by FtMs while lesbians are invaded.

Just the same, all ftms are female socialized and therefore not as loud or obnoxious. They don't have the sense of entitlement that troons (usually white dudes) have. Also all spaces I've seen them try to invade they get BTFO'd REALLY fast by men who aren't as empathetic/ lack the prowess in softskills women have and thus aren't as easily socially pilled into compliance and calmness. Even male allies of troons are nowhere near handmaiden level performatively. They don't feel the same pressure as women do.

 

[Noir drag freak]

What do you guys think of onlyfans gay porn stars having sex with ftm while claiming that it's gay sex?

 

[Noir drag freak]

So datalounge is having issues with gay idenitifiying porn stars having sex with women.

we are being gaslight and traumatised with homophobia and redefinition of homosexuality from within our own community, yes.

We always expected it from straight people and from the constant reminder of heteronormative society reinforced at us, but we at least had our exclusive gay spaces and gay pornography for some retreat or reprieve. But we no longer have that as it's completely co-opted by BTQ+ spotlight with their constant homophobia and erasure of homosexuality by distorting the definition and sexual orientation of gay.

For us real authentic gay men and lesbian women who have seen through this engineered campaign of BTQ+ that has been occuring covertly and overtly, this is going to be our hardest fight yet because it's constantly changing and it's ongoing.

When you've got self identified "gay" people, organisations, BTQ+ in general, and even straight people deliberately dismissing the blatant occurrence of gay erasure and the redefining of gay sexuality on an everyday basis; it creates immense cognitive dissonance among gay people already struggling with their internalised homophobia.

It's insidious beyond words what they are doing because it's 100% deliberate and calculated, and the psychological field are in on as well. So called "gay" therapists and "gay" psychologists are 100% encouraging gay people to embrace bisexuality and to embrace trans people as sexual and romantic partners.

The fact that "gay men" and fucked up supporters defend this anti gay bullshit is proof of how much BTQ+ are literal cancer to all things gay related. They steal gay identity, used gay rights to push themselves into places and into the mainstream, and now they are continually fucking up gay sexuality and gay porn by using our sexual orientation as an umbrella term for anything goes.

We haven't progressed or achieved anything when we have an ever increasing pushing of BTQ+ content onto gay related things, with the blatant aim and intent of replacing gay related things with BTQ+ washing bullshit.

yeah 'billy' seems to be the go to for the euro chav/ scally types to fuck. Most of them are playing at being 'rough trade' in their nike airmax and Adidas garb anyway. As its been pointed out, the really frustrating part of this is how transparent this all is - its either sociopath bis, gaslighting us. or its insecure gay men, playing at and getting turned off by being able to fuck pussy like a 'real man'. Its fucking annoying.
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Last Monday at 8:05 PM

[R354] precisely! And actual gay men aren't allowed to be pissed off or question what the fuck is going on, because according to them females, bisexuality, and trans freaks are all apart of being gay, gay identity, and homosexuality; and tell us fags that we are rigid and judgmental.
They brand us actual gay men who rightfully question it and are fed up with the BTQ+ gay erasure campaign, as insane.

trans are fucking freaks. Why would a masculine guy want a circus freak MTF fucking them over a normal, healthy, hot man that isn't trans. It's been said more than once, but all of this is so fucked up beyond words. These men are obviously drug addicts and have significant brain damage. I just can't fucking stand how they use gay identity and put this fucking freakshow shit in gay porn or under the gay category.

we are fucking living in an upsidedown, Alice in Wonderland world! This shit is SO FUCKED UP. If this continues into the future, (which it will) then the people controlling this homophobic conversion therapy should just come out and say that homosexuality and sexual orientation don't exist, because that's EXACTLY what they want to say.

"Gay" porn performers that have become pussy fuckers.

Who are the so-called gay porn performers that have started doing bi and tranny porn? First and foremost is Wesley Woods.

www.datalounge.com

 

[knobslobbin]

Jesus also said to love your neighbor as yourself, and he didn't say that didn't apply to gays.

The bible also says you can sell your daughter into slavery and you shouldn't eat shellfish or work on Sundays. I don't see you tardraging about those things

Jeebus Christos YOU of all people should know not to feed the trolls.