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annoyingfuck said:
You do understand why though?
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Restrictions imposed on placebo group could lead to lower chances of infection and thus skew the data. Also, it can lead to the unblinding of subjects (if they were not unblinded already, I don't know the design of this study). They will change their behavior and it will skew the data further,
Unblinding was the thing that killed Sputnik V phase 3 trial in Russia. People got their antibodies tested (quantitative IgE test costs $15 here), and part of placebo group was able to get the vaccine in a regular way, because the vaccine had been authorized for emergency use BEFORE the beginning of Phase 3 trial.
And given how "safe and effective" vaccines are, keeping untouched placebo groups is important for future retrospective studies (and, hopefully, lawsuits).
 
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Heh, you know what doctors do when they don't really know what the problem is? When the diagnosis is more complicated than a broken arm or maybe shingles?

Well, they've recently been known to prescribe hardcore morphia for unfocused pain. Addiction? I dunno, the pharma reps said it didn't do that. Records going back millenia of what opiates do to people? Doesn't sound like it's it in the guidelines tbh.

How about SSRIs? How do they work? Dunno? Are they effective? Inconclusive? Well alrighty then, this'll cure your uh, depression or anxiety or whatever. What do you mean they fuck your brain up? You can't be addicted to something that doesn't get you high, dummy.

Anti-depressant/anxiety placebos not working? I guess it's time to put you on some GABA agonists. What do you mean Benzodiazepines literally make you retarded? Dying from withdrawal? No big deal, but just so you know, don't stop taking them. What was your diagnosis again?

Birth control is bad for women's health? But it's a human right! What if your period doesn't happen in the same exact timeframe every month?

You could probably write a whole book out of instances like these. All of these examples are taken from real life, and the stories behind all of them are more evil (money, negligence, pride) than my satire makes them out to be. If you're close with anyone who has chronic issues (real or imagined), their adventures in medicine are almost always frustrating and frequently horrifying as well, even when treatment is "going well".

Beyond the replication crisis, big money interests, loosening of standards, and byzantine systems, the failings of modern medicine need to be considered in the context of muh vaccines and CVOID response. It's fairly safe to assume that "professionals" shill the vaccine simply because it exists, and it's "approved" by all the right agencies. There's no downside for them, they're just doing their jobs, they bill [insurance approved code] and cycle the patient to [resolved] as fast as possible so that their paperwork looks good. They work within the system, so what if the system is inhuman(e)? They're not gonna relinquish their fat paycheck over some old-timey social concerns. It's not like you can see your patients from behind the hedges of your secluded property.

I know enough about medicine and pharmaceuticals to know that everything has a cost, and ultimately no one cares as long as they're not the ones paying. Sometimes you need a product because it solves (?) a more pressing problem, but the goal should be to live healthy and not take ANY drugs at all. If you gotta take something, it should be as a last resort, and very few drugs, especially painstakingly-synthesized and concentrated ones are truly "safe" - synthetic pharmaceuticals are brand new by historical standards.

Strangely enough, both HCQ (a quinone derivative) and Ivermectin (I dunno) are "safe" drugs in the sense that they're very unlikely to cause harm, and have comparatively long histories of use. The purposeful avoidance of using these products in favor of prototype medicine is PURE assholery, it's evil, it's STRICTLY about money (and hubris).

I don't want to trial any weird synthetics. I don't even wanna take any lab drugs at all. They're fucking scary. Hypothetically, I would only consider taking these vaccines if I was really fat and sick, or really old, but in truth if I was either of those, it's possible I would welcome death rather than being reasonably wary of it.
 
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SouthernBitchBob said:
Almost every doctor visit in my adult life, I've already figured out what was wrong and told the doc on my intake form.
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No shit. They're called "general practitioners" for a reason. In an ideal world, they diagnose symptoms and guess at which specialise they should refer you to. Sadly they seem to think that their shit smells of vanilla and lemon and acts as a panacea.

My current GP was useless even before this covid madness (though at least then I could get an appointment). She'd always try and convince me to take blood pressure meds at every visit, no matter what I'm there about. Sniffly nose? Your blood pressure's too high! Oh you have obvious signs of lower GI tract issues that could be linked to an increased risk of developing nasty cancers at your age? Have you tried blood pressure medication? Your entire arm has broken out in inflamed, silver-scaled patches that are very likely to be a psoriasis outbreak? BLOOD PRESSURE!
these are arbitrary examples and not indicative of any real-world afflictions i may or may not suffer
Best part is, my BP is normal for my age and weight.
 
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Mepsi Pax said:
Strangely enough, both HCQ (a quinone derivative) and Ivermectin (I dunno) are "safe" drugs in the sense that they're very unlikely to cause harm, and have comparatively long histories of use. The purposeful avoidance of using these products in favor of prototype medicine is PURE assholery, it's evil, it's STRICTLY about money (and hubris).

I don't want to trial any weird synthetics. I don't even wanna take any lab drugs at all. They're fucking scary. Hypothetically, I would only consider taking these vaccines if I was really fat and sick, or really old, but in truth if I was either of those, it's possible I would welcome death rather than being reasonably wary of it.
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Yeah, remember when they promoted Remdesivir and in the end, it was a big pile of shit and wasn't superior to HCQ and Invermectin? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Btw, let's trigger the MSM with this news forcing them to work on a new narrative instead of blaming the unvaccinated, that's cliche.
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7 Fully Vaccinated Stanford University Students Test Positive for COVID, Are Symptomatic

Following the news of at least six members of the fully vaccinated Texas delegation testing positive for COVID-19, there have also been similar reports
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Following the news of at least six members of the fully vaccinated Texas delegation testing positive for COVID-19, there have also been similar reports for a senior aide to Nancy Pelosi and several White House staffers. All of which were fully vaccinated, bringing an increased level of difficulty to the administration’s efforts to push the vaccine on Americans.

There was also a story out of New Jersey this week reporting that 49 individuals who were fully vaccinated died from COVID-19 in the state.

However, while such instances have been rare, when individuals do get the virus after being fully vaccinated most report as asymptomatic.
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SouthernBitchBob said:
Stories like these have made me long suspect that the replicability crisis is only half the story. I think there's an equally widespread conclusions crisis. Whether it's from ideologically-addled preformulated conclusions or scared scientists reaching the cult-approved answer to save their asses, I've read more than one "study" that appears to have perfectly reasonable data gathered using time-honored methods to ensure it's not a bunch of junk...and then in the summary they find a way to bend over backward to conclude that AKSHULLY the data means the opposite of what it says.

One of my favorite studies that does this is from the Israeli neuroscientist Daphna Joel. Oversimplification of her study: she scanned men and women to find the differences between male and female brains. Unsurprisingly, they're similar in a majority of ways since we're the same species. But if you average the male scans together and average the female scans together, you come up with several clearly different spots on the scans.

But popular feminist orthodoxy dictates that men and women are exactly the same, and she's a True Believer. So in her conclusion, she took this data and wrote that "Even though there are differences between the scans, none of the male brains matched the 'average' male brain exactly, and none of the female brains matched the 'average' exactly. So because male and female brains have variation in them, they're basically exactly the same". She went on a talk show circuit proclaiming that men and women have no notable differences between their brains.

Which is preposterous. But it's got a similar smell to the "the existence of outliers means that averages don't exist at all!" bullshit the Biological Sex Isn't Real crowd tries to pull.
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My favorite in reference to COVID was the "it doesn't give you immunity" studies out of Holland (?) and the USMC. Basically if you took the numbers at face value, it meant you as a young adult only had a 10-20% of catching a second infection, and if you did it was like a 60-80% chance you would be asymptomatic or mild.
So any normal human being would be able to add the numbers together and see that basically natural immunity was >92-96% effective (which is roughly the same claimed efficacy of the vaccines).

But of course Journoroaches ran with the narrative that this "proves" natural immunity doesn't work.
 
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SneEyeMitch said:
Well my understanding is they want to advance technologies and are pushing a massive human experiment to get just that. Other than that no, I'm not a mind reader, their points make zero sense with their own data or reasons given.

The other reason that I can think of is everyone wants to be like China with it's social credit, or the Soviet Union with it's internal passports given that in the UK the ones who advise the government when it comes to covid are members of the communist party, it makes me go hmm.
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Sorry about that, that was my fault for not being specific, tulskij_tochnyj response (added it below) is what I was getting at.

I'm glad you answered the way you did though as it produced more conversation. I hate to agree with a communist in any way, there are parts to the social distancing news article that I completely support, the whole '...good ventilation and hand and surface hygiene.', the masking and distance stuff is just insane though, as much as I'd love, to not have someone breathing down my neck while waiting in line. This chick sounds like she's a germophobe, the whole article makes sense when considering it from that and the communist perspective.

Overall I think people have started realising how easy it is, to spread germs from one person to another, which hopefully might contribute to at least a larger percentage of society being a little more 'clean' so to speak. <insert huge :optimistic: sticker here>

tulskij_tochnyj said:
Restrictions imposed on placebo group could lead to lower chances of infection and thus skew the data. Also, it can lead to the unblinding of subjects (if they were not unblinded already, I don't know the design of this study). They will change their behavior and it will skew the data further,
Unblinding was the thing that killed Sputnik V phase 3 trial in Russia. People got their antibodies tested (quantitative IgE test costs $15 here), and part of placebo group was able to get the vaccine in a regular way, because the vaccine had been authorized for emergency use BEFORE the beginning of Phase 3 trial.
And given how "safe and effective" vaccines are, keeping untouched placebo groups is important for future retrospective studies (and, hopefully, lawsuits).
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SouthernBitchBob said:
Even C students get degrees and all that. I've long suspected that most GPs just leave the room to consult some WebMD for their diagnoses. It's not like med school teaches critical thinking any more than other STEM field. All you need to pass is memorization and a touch of pattern recognition.

People with the chops to follow the scientific method and correlate research exist, but they're few in number. Almost every doctor visit in my adult life, I've already figured out what was wrong and told the doc on my intake form. These Believe Muh Science tards think medicine is magic. Truth is, you can figure out at least half of it as a layperson with the ability to categorize symptoms and figure out what stats mean.
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Trying to get people to realise this is one of the hardest things I've come across. A GP sees how many people a day, having only 15 minutes for majority of them (in Australian practices), there is no way in hell they can be up to date with every single condition.

It is the single biggest reason for a person to learn to research correctly (most libraries have online assess to journal databases these days), critically assess the information you find, and then take it to your doctor to discuss it.

Also allows you to judge if your doctor is actually interested in human welfare, or just a quack. A human welfare doctor will be able to quickly look through the new information and adjust their existing knowledge, to at least come up with a starting point and know if they need to look into it further and tell you that.

Of course as the world is finding out, pride and ego is all important, amongst the ones who see themselves as indispensable (as GPs often see themselves), the smug look on Fauci's face after his 'outburst' in the senate, knowing exactly what he was doing, says it all.
 
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Please forgive me a small personal note, but I had a certain health thing happen today and found myself in a strange position of realizing just how much I do not want this fucking shit in my body. If there is even the slightest chance of it having side effects, and there absolutely fucking is, I don't want it anywhere near me. I'll beat doctors away with a stick if I have to.
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Even C students get degrees and all that. I've long suspected that most GPs just leave the room to consult some WebMD for their diagnoses.
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They do. I've caught more than one on multiple occasions. You can do it yourself if they leave the door open, and if you work in a clinic you'll see it all the time. It's not always literally WebMD, but they'll do it to "refresh their memory" or cross-check symptoms.
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But popular feminist orthodoxy dictates that men and women are exactly the same, and she's a True Believer. So in her conclusion, she took this data and wrote that "Even though there are differences between the scans, none of the male brains matched the 'average' male brain exactly, and none of the female brains matched the 'average' exactly. So because male and female brains have variation in them, they're basically exactly the same". She went on a talk show circuit proclaiming that men and women have no notable differences between their brains.
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Do you happen to have any info on which specific regions and the implications of those differences?
Mepsi Pax said:
How about SSRIs? How do they work? Dunno? Are they effective? Inconclusive? Well alrighty then, this'll cure your uh, depression or anxiety or whatever. What do you mean they fuck your brain up? You can't be addicted to something that doesn't get you high, dummy.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, SSRIs work wonders for the people that need them (and I imagine it's the same for the other things you listed) but holy goddamn fucking shit are they over-prescribed.
Medicine is poison as much as it is a cure, even the ancients knew this, but modern doctors prescribe things like candy. The fact that weekly pill organizers specifically designed for children also completely skeeves me out.
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The Nothingness said:
Looks like segregation is coming back to Alabama.

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1418409503578632195
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ngl, I never hated boomers until covid. I was able to roll with the economic situations because there was always a way to manage them.
This shit is too far, I now actively discriminate against these wretched hags of society.
"REEEEEEEE Lock down this country, I don't care if young people and children are missing out on their important stages of life- I need to live 5 years longer!!!"
"Just take the rushed vaccine you stupid cunts! What? You're worried about the potential long term side-effects doctors are suggesting, well I'll be dead by then so :^)"
"THIS IS ALL OF YOUR FAULT"
Fucking stay in your dinosaur caves then, the country locked down in the first place PRECISELY BECAUSE OF YOU FAGGOTS. I hope there's a special place in hell for boomers.
 
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Why 2022? What's so special about that date? Is that when they hope to have the vaccine passports up and working after their test introductions this year? Is that when the elite will tell the Pharma goons to wrap it up since they've made their profit and the proles are getting too riotous and starting to look behind the scenes? Is it so the Democrats can claim victory over the pandemic, therefore vote for them in the mid-terms? Or will we have one last lockdown in October and November so we can have another vote-by-mail election that will magically cure the pandemic for good?
 
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Why 2022? What's so special about that date? Is that when they hope to have the vaccine passports up and working after their test introductions this year? Is that when the elite will tell the Pharma goons to wrap it up since they've made their profit and the proles are getting too riotous and starting to look behind the scenes? Is it so the Democrats can claim victory over the pandemic, therefore vote for them in the mid-terms? Or will we have one last lockdown in October and November so we can have another vote-by-mail election that will magically cure the pandemic for good?
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It's because the Spanish flu pandemic lasted two years.
 
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Even CNN is realizing it. To me, I predict that this will lead to a lot of deaths in the White House, which will make Trump president and let people who are or aren't take HQ to officially end the pandemic.
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As crass as it is to wish death on anyone, the irony of Biden dying to covid and Trump surviving would just be too delicious. I want to see how they would all cope with the carnage if it took them out. They did all the right things and thought they were chosen, only to be cast down into the ranks of mere mortals.
 
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